Mainstream Reports: The U.S. and Israel - Like Muslim Countries - Support Terrorists

George Washington's picture

Senior U.S. officials say - according to NBC news - that Israel is training and supporting Iranian terrorists:



I noted last month that the U.S. is as well:


The Mujahideen e Khalq (MEK) ... along with its political arm, the National Council of Resistance in Iran (NCRI), is listed by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist organisation.


Interestingly, the Bush Administration – and especially Dick Cheney – helped to fund the MEK (see confirming articles here and here).


And the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting that Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey are supporting the MEK as well.


Glenn Greenwald notes:


There are numerous Muslims inside the U.S. who have been prosecuted for providing “material support for Terrorism” for doing far less than these American politicians are publicly doing on behalf of a designated Terrorist group.




Yet here we have numerous American political figures receiving substantial fees from a group which is legally designated under American law as a Terrorist organization. Beyond that, they are meeting with the Terrorist leaders of that group repeatedly .... And, after receiving fees from the Terrorist group and meeting with its Terror leaders, these American political figures are going forth and disseminating pro-MEK messages on its behalf and working to have it removed from the Terrorist list.




What they are providing to MEK is the definitive “material support.”




Indeed, as Georgetown Law Professor David Cole noted, these activities on behalf of MEK are clearly prosecutable as “material support for Terrorism” under the standard advocated by the Bush and Obama DOJs and accepted by the Supreme Court in the Holder v. Humanitarian Law case of 2009, which held that even peaceful advocacy on behalf of a Terrorist group can be prosecuted if done in coordination with the group (ironically, many of these paid MEK supporters have long been advocates of broad application of “material support statutes” (when applied to Muslims, that is) and have even praised the Humanitarian Law case). If we had anything even remotely approaching equal application of the law, [U.S. politicians who have aided MEK] would be facing prosecution as Terrorist-helpers.


Then there’s long been the baffling question of where MEK was getting all of this money to pay these American officials. Indeed, the pro-MEK campaign has been lavishly funded. As the CSM noted: ”Besides the string of well-attended events at prestigious American hotels and locations, and in Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, the campaign has included full-page advertisements in The New York Times and Washington Post — which can cost $175,000 apiece.” MEK is basically little more than a nomadic cult: after they sided with Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran, they were widely loathed in Iran and their 3,400 members long lived in camps in Iraq, but the Malaki government no longer wants them there. How has this rag-tag Terrorist cult of Iranian dissidents, who are largely despised in Iran, able to fund such expensive campaigns and to keep U.S. officials on its dole?


All of these mysteries received substantial clarity from an NBC News report by Richard Engel and Robert Windrem yesterday. Citing two anonymous “senior U.S. officials,” that report [states that] the Terrorist group “is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service.” These senior officials also admitted that “the Obama administration is aware of the assassination campaign” but claims it “has no direct involvement.” Iran has long insisted the Israel and the U.S. are using MEK to carry out Terrorist attacks on its soil, including the murder of its scientists, and NBC notes that these acknowledgments “confirm charges leveled by Iran’s leaders” ....


There are a number of vital questions and conclusions raised by this. First, it would be mean that the assurances by MEK’s paid American shills ... that “they are unarmed” are totally false: whoever murdered these scientists is obviously well-armed. Second, this should completely gut the effort to remove MEK from the list of designated Terrorist groups; after all, murdering Iran’s scientists through the use of bombs and guns is a defining act of a Terror group, at least as U.S. law attempts to define the term. Third, this should forever resolve the debate in which I was involved last month about whether the attack on these Iranian scientists constitutes Terrorism; as Daniel Larson put it yesterday: “If true, the murders of Iranian nuclear scientists with bombs have been committed by a recognized terrorist group. Can everyone acknowledge at this point that these attacks were acts of terrorism?”


Fourth, and most important: if this report is true, is this not definitive proof that Israel is, by definition, a so-called state sponsor of Terrorism? Leaving everything else aside, if Israel, as NBC reports, has “financed, trained and armed” a group officially designated by the U.S. Government as a Terrorist organization, isn’t that the definitive act of how one becomes an official “state sponsor of Terrorism”?




Of course, as I documented in my last book, those who are politically and financially well-connected are free to commit even the most egregious crimes; for that reason, the very idea of prosecuting Giuliani, Rendell, Ridge, Townsend, Dean and friends for their paid labor on behalf of a Terrorist group is unthinkable, a suggestion not fit for decent company .... The term Terrorism is so completely meaningless, manipulated and mischievous: it’s just a cynical term designed to delegitimize violence and even political acts undertaken by America’s enemies while shielding from criticism the actual Terrorism undertaken by itself and its allies. The spectacle whereby a designated Terrorist group can pay top American politicians to advocate for them even as they engage in violent Terrorist acts, all while being trained, funded and aided by America’s top client state, should forever end the controversy over that glaringly obvious proposition.

Indeed, high-level U.S. and Israeli officials have admitted that they carry out terrorism.

For example:

  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
  • Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)

And the former director of the National Security Agency said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

Note: I am not defending Muslim terrorists or picking on the U.S. and Israel. Many nations - including Muslim countries - have carried out terrorist attacks. I am simply pointing to the hypocrisy, double standards and imperial arrogance of America and Israel.

If the U.S. and Israel sponsor terrorism, then Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser was correct when he told the Senate in 2007: the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.

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Die Weiße Rose's picture

The downfall of North America -

was finally brought about by Bush and the neo-con liberals

and their british colonialist Middle-East policy stance in support of an increasingly radical and zionist Israel expansion into the oil-rich region that is and always has been the cause of most of the worlds conflicts to date. These radical middle-east policies are aggressively supported by the dangerously biased News Corp World-media monopoly of Rupert Murdoch, the neo-con media mogul who does much more than just hack your phones .

Rupert Murdoch is the Citizen Kane of the 21 Century and one of the most evil, vicious and dangerous neo-con media moguls alive ! Rupert Murdoch and his mate Dick Cheney and their neo-cons were the major force behind the push for the illegal invasion of Iraq and the whole mess we see today in the middle-east. It is their american enterprize master-plan for a new world order with Israel dominating the middle-east at all cost.


The media mogul Rupert Murdoch signaled his support for Rick Santorum on Monday evening,

calling him the “only candidate with genuine big vision” for the United States.

In the past the editorial pages of The New York Post and, more recently, The Wall Street Journal have been perceived to be Mr. Murdoch’s platforms for supporting (and sometimes punishing) political candidates. Twitter, of course, gives him a new and much more personal forum to do so.

Mr. Murdoch’s arguably most influential media outlet, Fox News, employed Mr. Santorum for years, but suspended him in March when he was considering running for president. The suspension was made permanent in May after Mr. Santorum agreed to attend a Fox-sponsored debate for Republican candidates.

good night and good luck America,

you will need it!


dolph9's picture

Powerful people in America benefit from the ongoing, perpetual, endless "war on terror."

All of you soldiers who go over to the Middle East to get your brains blown out so that Halliburton or Exxon-Mobil or Goldman Sachs can make more money are disposable pawns.

The vast U.S. military complex has nothing to do with protecting this nation or its borders.  If it did, why do we allow so many illegal aliens in?

The U.S. military exists to protect the fiat petrodollar and Israel.  That's its main function these days.

Sorry, the truth hurts.

AldousHuxley's picture

US won't care about Israel once US colonizes Iran. Israel surved her purpose and now must also be desposed. Dumbass zionist Jews about to get backstabbed by bankster American Jews.


US lets illegal aliens in for cheap labor. Also, working on North American Union to compete with EU. Mexican truckers can already enter US. Mexico is US manufacturing base alternative once China engages on war. Canada is US ally against Russia in the northern hemisphere.


Mexicans are already in US. NAU just needs a new Amero and we are done.


US military protects petrodollar. Empires need two things: unversal currency to tax subjects on, military to enfore tax collection.


Wall St. + Military in the hands of the few is what US elites care about and want to control.They don't care about manufacturing, education, equality, peace, religion, all that stuff.

Old Poor Richard's picture

U.S. can't work with this group because "assassination is illegal." 


Axis of Evil.  Works with terrorists.


AldousHuxley's picture

US supports corrupt monarchy and dictatorship and calls citizen revolutionaries who want part of the deal terrorists.


it is called maintaining regional balance of power in imperialism 101

Split oil rich middle into:

  1. Jewish zionazi Israel (keep Islam in check)
  2. House of Saud (keep OPEC in check and oil supplies coming)
  3. Iraq (keep Iran in check)
  4. Iran (last colony in the middle east when Jews and Saudis ask for too much money and support)


It is not just US, but UK, Russia, China all have strategic plans to gain control and influence in the region for oil.


obama got his plans denied when Russia and China said no in UN security resolution.


Iran used to be the center of the world with Persian Empire, but now she will always be some other empire's bitch unless she bows down to one and screw her own people like the Saudis did.

Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

So Israel must be failing miserably?

Since Islam is basically mapping over Hitler's territory of 1940, taking over northern and western Europe and northern africa.

I know this is very, very tough but without the evil zionistas, your oppress the shit of the world arabs would be getting pebble sandwiches for their natural resources. Not the 25times it that they are currently receiving.

and lastly US troops are largely stationed in Arab land for the purposes of protecting shipping routes for their oil.

 Try reading your heros at wikileaks massive dump about US troops around the world,



AnAnonymous's picture

Swallow, swallow, swallow.

I somehow see the story of reptilians under a different light. One has to sport flexible jaws like some snakes to be able to swallow the huge distortions of reality US citizens require to be part of the club.

Islam is mapping over Hilter's territory, including Northen and Western Europe.

Muslims in Europe has zip power. They cant even censor a comics strip.

US citizens are propagandists at heart but now, one has to admit that a new strand is rising, fantaisists.

The powerless is powerful etc...

Maybe necessity.

The mecca of US citizenism, the US of A started his class warfare history surrounded by kingdoms and monarchies.An environment tha&t could easily be sold as hostile.

Now that the US of A is a hegemon as the world has never known, reliance on the likes of SOmalia pirats to give semblance of hostility forces a necessity to use fantasy to fill in.

MarketTruth's picture

Amen and ROFLMAO!!!  You also need to add in 'suicides' of course. Tell that to the USA's international representative Hillbilly Clinton...


alien-IQ's picture

Behold Stupidity on an EPIC scale:


Madonna fans in Israel ask government to delay any war with Iran until after May concert Read more:
4horse's picture

masterminds . . . define:blowback getting high on yer own supply




ubermenschen not to mention most goyim&chosen alike untermenschen in being laid low


and beneathe contempt







let my people gogo

my puppy for prez's picture

You have to remember that Madonna is the Celebrity Priestess of Kabbalah, and the show was riddled with Kabbalistic, occult symbolism.  It was a Kabbalistic sacrament!

Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

Stupidity on an epic scale?

Did I miss it?

Or did you not post that Iran has no interest in even pursuing nuclear weapons again?

Hannibal's picture


Don't leave yourselves helpless and defenseless folks:

Put on your Shield and Armor for you know neither the day nor the hour.


The Heart's picture


Dear good hearted folks and bad guys too,

We are approaching two very dangerous windows of time in the next few weeks and month ahead. We have seen the push for world war to distract the nation from the financial collapse, and to place it under martial law approaching for many years now. There are two major windows of time to be aware of in our immediate future.

The first one is coming quick. It is between the 20th-23rd of February. The other is between the 20th-23rd of March both during the coming new moon windows. It is the same energy that was building up just before the baseless and unjustified criminal attacks on Iraq. The dominoes are set up to crash and fall and the really sad part of this truth is, no one seems to care. It is 11:45 on the clock and the strike at 12:00 is coming! Pray this is wrong.

You can go around and mention more war to people and they shrug their shoulders like it is no big deal. Many talk about isreal attacking Iran. Many more are talking about a 9/11 Type False Flag Event performed by isreal any day now. Many say, we should attack Iran. None can conceive the ramifications of what this actually means.

You might as well just as easily say, we are going to attack Russia, and China. DOES THAT RESONATE WITH YOU? World war with Russia and China? Is this what the new Nazi (Nationalist-Zionists) Isramerica wants for it’s future? IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND FUTURE?



It is not too late to stop this insanity. All you media people that are reading this today better ask yourselves, are you going to support this evil that seeks to kill you and yours off too as you sing their songs and praising propaganda all the way to your last breath? Do you think by dis/mis-informing the world with your slimy false misleading propaganda you will escape the fate they are shaping up for you? Do you think you and your families will escape a chinese surprise attack with race specific bio-weapons, or a neutron bomb attack? Do you think you will be treated specially after say, an EMP attack?

NO! You are being used to spin the lies and dis/mis-information until your last breath. You are useless idiots doing the bankster/WAR PROFITEERS dirty work of being the mouth pieces of the zio-media propaganda that NO ONE believes any more. You are wasting your time and looking more and more STUPID every day as you tell your tales of useless wasted dribble and propagandistic horsewwash.

Now here is the kicker.

You all better turn off the TV right now because it is being used as a psychotronic mind control weapon against you all. Or, why they implemented the new digital TV system. If you do not know about subliminal suggestions and digital TV mind control waves that are pulsed over every carrier wave there is, most especially the new TV system, you better do some homework around this subject.

“Subliminally, a much more powerful technology was at work, however. A sophisticated electronic system designed to ‘speak’ directly to the mind of the listener; to alter and entrain his brainwaves, to manipulate his brain’s electroencephalographic (EEG) patterns and thus artificially implant negative emotional states —- feelings of intense fear, anxiety, despair and hopelessness were created in the Iraqi troops.”


“Vote for so and so or you will be harmed and hurt! Be afraid, very afraid if you don’t vote for obama/soetoro, sanitarium, ginkrich, or mittney because if you don’t, the world will end. DO NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL…”

This is why we see the winners of the republican caucuses and primaries changing to one candidate, then to the other, then yet to another underdog. Everyone but Ron Paul. This is what we are up against. The beast of the PROPAMEDIA digital TV-mind-control machine. They are using FOX and CNN news to make the people vote for the candidate/flavor of the month to keep the people divided and confused with lies and dis/mis-information so later on down the line they can say, no one can agree on any of these candidates, so then they can bring in their “ringer” inside-job candidate.

Who is that? The lying shrubs nazi brother, jeb bush. Another globalist nazi stooge. Kissinger was said to have told the chinese jeb the shrubs brother will be the next puppet leader.

IF, that is a big IF we actually make it to the convention without a world war breaking out and the country falling into the fascist/communist state of chaos, hardship, and confusion it is being set up to be, then they will try and hoist yet another bush on the country. This should make every NORMAL unconditioned or controlled American just plain sick to think of this possibility.



Don’t believe it, turn off your TV for a week and see if you don’t notice a difference. If you want to watch TV, watch movies, or educational type shows and only for a short time. Here is a classic and very rare book that is on the blacklist and tells you all about the history of this evil mind control programming in the United States. Read it from cover to cover PLEASE!!!

What can stop it? Hummmm. Believe it or not?
So back to reality. If you want REAL news, go to these sites for middle of the road news:

Financial news:

Ron Paul News:



Read this and see where you fit in at:

Are you one of the useless idiots?

If you do not realize how you are being used and manipulated by your evil controllers that DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, and you do not do something to save your country while you can because there might only a few weeks left to do it, you can bet your life that when the chinga hit’s the fan, there are many that know you and have you on the list of targets to eliminate first for your treasonous acts against the United States of America.



Take a lesson from a true and real reporter here reporting real truth. He got fired for telling his truth about election fraud and population reduction, but will be more famous than ever soon for speaking his truth.:

We are facing the possible ignition of World War Three here any day now. We could wake up and hear that isreal has just pulled off another 9/11 Type False Flag Event, which could be even worse than the 9/11 Event they pulled off to trigger the Iraq/Afghanistan wars they were already in place and prepared for. It is all preplanned by the globalist zionist evil satanic minions of evil and destruction and absolutely abhorrent when one clearly understands the agenda from the top down. KILL THEM ALL OFF!

Please Ron Paul, please make this the biggest issue in your policy statements because if you don’t shine the light on this huge clear and present danger to our nation, we may well see these zionist banksters start the world war in which isreal was created to do. Isreal is a MADE UP nation and people that is being USED and played like a three dollar pigbutt-sucker to start the “final solution” war for the globalist profiteers and evil british banksters that seek to use this last war as the population reduction tool it is to rid the planet of 9/10th’s of humanity, or more.

Listen to the evil british agent squid-thing kissenger speak to world war:

We are all being killed off from so many directions.

The evil in control is in Britain. We have chemtrails, GMO foods, tainted water systems, dis/mis-information, tainted soils, govt corruption and crime, tainted media, poisoned air, chemicals in everything, pharmaceutical drugs, vaccines, radiation everywhere, non-lethal weapons, and psychotronic electromagnetic energies all aiding in the mass killing of us all. The latest worst of all is the horrendous catastrophic fukushima disaster that no one is talking about, or cares enough to track properly. It is slowly killing every biological life form on the planet. Even now it approaches the west coast and the fish in the Pacific are already contaminated with high amounts of radiation. The days of fresh uncontaminated sea food are over and do you think any one cares, or understands the significance of taking out the oceans as our basic life building block?

Not! Too mind controlled to acknowledge the problem by the propamedia psychotronic warfare that is being waged against the American people. Now, they are mostly all too dumb to realize they are being controlled and killed off slowly. Try to imagine what will happen after an EMP takes place and ALL THE NUKLEAR PLANTS run wild and meltdown because there is no energy to keep them cool. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MINUTE. IT IS COMING!!! Between the Sun and the Chinese or Russians, there is a high probability of an EMP taking place any time now, OR IN THE NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE. How many people in your neighborhood have died recently from radiation poisoning related causes and electromagnetic attacks? Take a look at your local Obituaries and see.

If you are smart enough to read this, you better stay off the evil addicting drug TV! It is killing you, but do you care America? Please share this with others to wake them up. DO ALL YOU CAN TO GET THEM OFF THE FOX/CNN TV MIND CONTROL DRUG NOW!

Stupid is as stupid does, and ignorance of God’s truth will kill you.

We are coming to the days of no more fooling around, and there will be no time for name calling or ignorance. Everything will be a REAL and a COLD harsh reality of death’s stench. It will fill the land of a stupid people that do not clearly understand what it is going to be like to have war in their own backyards as the evil killers swoop into your towns and cities. Do something now to stop it all, or plan on perishing with the masses as they are led off the cliff.

Follow your Heart!

GeezerGeek's picture

It better not be the February dates, because that would interfere with watching the Daytona 500 on Feb. 26.

El Hosel's picture


  The whole thing seems rather inconvenient, better kick the can early and often.

MarketTruth's picture

What terrorist country has actively overthrown soviereign  country leaders for many decades and continues to do so?

What terrorist country has bombed over 50 countries since WWII?

What country actively used/uses chemical/biological warfare against their own troops?

This list could go on and on of course.

The answer: The terrorist country of United States of America.


The USA military pawns (soldiers) doing the bidding of America's political members (and ensuring the perto-dollar link) must WAKE UP and stop aiding in these illegal activities immediately. If you are a member of the USA military, it is time to walk away.

AldousHuxley's picture

foreign policy 101:


divide up support to split the political power in strategic locations.


  1. Support Iran when Iraq is too powerful
  2. Support Iraq when Iran is too powerful
  3. When they are weakend fighting each other, invade them both
  4. Upon any efforts to unionize, take the weak one out
aerial view's picture

The term "terrorist" has become popularized by those who want to confuse the masses into believing that killing human beings is perfectly acceptable and should be applauded as long as those human beings are called terrorists and that pre-emptive bombing of a country and removal of their leader is justified if that country has been designated one that sponsors terrorism. The term has now been broadened to include anyone who disagrees or protests against the policies of a designated (by the elites) "non terrorist country": aren't word games fun?!

AldousHuxley's picture

terrorists = patriotic nationalists who want to protect their country from foreign invasion and influence because their country sits on large deposits of natural resources


all elites are pretty much all terrorists.

Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

Excellent point, for instance the US is currently in Afghanistan for it's rich supply of sand and pebbles.

AldousHuxley's picture

yeah....sand and pebbles worth $1Trillion


besides, Afghanistan is a strategic base sitting right inbetween China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan and India.

one way to control China is to control oil supplies which fuels china's manufacturing. Afghanistan cuts off any pipelines from Iran into China.


Even back in 1878, UK and Russia were trying to colonize Afghanistan

red_pill_rash's picture

The only people detained for suspected roles associated with the 911 terrorist attacks were israelies.....about 60 of them.

5 of them admitted on public TV that they were sent to NY to "document the event".


How clear can it get?






Westcoastliberal's picture

In times like these we must ask ourselves, what would Ike do?

GeezerGeek's picture

Plan a Crusade in Europe?

Or are we talking South Park here?

Dermasolarapaterraphatrima's picture
Blowback, Second Edition: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire [Paperback] Chalmers Johnson (Author)
Cult of Criminality's picture

Well , if the FBI has deemed those that disagree with the government as terrorists where is OUR support ?

dexter_morgan's picture

Seems to me terrorism was used on this continent since white men arrived, and likely before that. Or maybe I'm confusing terrorism with guerrilla warfare?

Esculent 69's picture

and what the fuck do you think happened before white people arrived hmmmm? Indians at war with each other engaging in terrorist acts like the apaches and their scalping. or did they learn that from the white man. what about the aztecs or the miyans or the ottoman empire or the persian empire or the dynasty's of the chinese who were so peace loving.  even better go ask the mexicans about spanin and the conquistadores. yeah it was all us white people who are responsilbe for all of the war before we ever even ruled. btw the man who kicked the indians off their land to the trail of tears was andrew jackson, A DEMOCRAT. who were the confederates in the civil war? democrats.  how did the kkk come to existence? former confederate soldiers who killed blacks and republicans because repuclicans were teaching blacks to read and write and to vote. spare me your typical liberal ignorance


AnAnonymous's picture

Indians at war with each other engaging in terrorist acts like the apaches and their scalping. or did they learn that from the white man.


How scalping is terrorism? The quest for symetry strikes back, once again with US citizens.

Eating the heart of your enemy is not terrorism either.

Sporting a mask with ugly features is not terrorism.

But you know, US citizenism conveys the belief that what US citizen do, they do because of human nature. Hence every human society has to do what US citizen does.

Anecdota: what did some Indians learn from US citizens?

Division of scalps. Scalps were demanded as a justification of a killing, and rewarded. Hence the growth of a liminar custom into a trade (monetization of conflict as it is in US citizenism)

The fun point: some Indians worked at making two scalps out of one, doubling the reward.

Does this ring a bell? Scalps were turned into money back then. And pufff, innovation, two scalps out of one.

So,apparently, being into contact with a certain kind of people really helps a certain kind of innovation to flourish.

US citizen fun fact of the day.

akak's picture

Hey Esculent, I always forget:

Was it the miyans who were from spanin, or was that the repuclicans?

dexter_morgan's picture

I thought I implied that by saying probably before white men arrived. That's how 'war' works. I've been called a lot of things in my life......but liberal is a new one to me. First time for everything I guess.

My point is how is 'terrorist' being defined and by whom and in what context.

Esculent 69's picture

then why did you specifically bring up white men on this continent rather than all of man kind throughout history. getting just a little tired of people blaming white people for the worlds woes. It's liberal democrat propaganda claptrap that does nothing but divide us, and no one does it better than obama,  just wondering.

dexter_morgan's picture

I can't argue about liberal claptrap being divisve - no question about that. And it is done on purpose also I'm sure. I guess I'm just trying to point out, and not doing a very good job of it apparently,  that all groups/colors/tribes can be guilty of being 'terrorists' depending on who is doing the defining, not just muslims or asians or whoever. I mean look at all the gobbldegook going on now where 'terrorist' is being defined by our own government as anyone that disagrees with their policies, regardless of color/race/creed. Terrorism is defined as a matter of convenience to the party doing the defining I guess I'm saying.

GeezerGeek's picture

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Did Rahm Emanuel call his father "Daddy" or "Mr. Terrorist"?

What we need here is a working definition of 'terrorist', not points of view based on preferences. Unless we define the word by identifying the methodology employed by terrorists then discussion is futile. Using a broad definition, I think that the government's labeling people who support the gold standard as terrorists is, in itself, a terrorizing statement.

Or is terrorism like pornography: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"?

AldousHuxley's picture

King George and British red coats used to call American Independence fighters and founding fathers "terrorists".

and....terrorists have won.


terrorists are usually fighting for independence...usually from tyrants.



kind of like how Columbus discovered America while natives thought europeans were invading?

History is written by winners. That doesn't mean it is all 100% truth.

Esculent 69's picture

One last thing. How do you deal with people whose religion is about war. There is no tolerance in islam. it is constantly at war with those that are not muslim. so you can try to understand why the enemy doesn't like and it's our fault for them attacking us so we should be openminded <sarc>, or you can open eyes and see a rabid dog for the rabid dog that it is.  Just like all socialist/communist language is the opposite of what it says, remember, islam is the religion of peace. 

AnAnonymous's picture

Muslims seem to have this in common with US citizens, a constant state of war.

This might explain with they can that easily switch to US citizenism.

Element's picture

s Esculent 69 - " ... o you can try to understand why the enemy doesn't like and it's our fault for them attacking us so we should be openminded <sarc>, or you can open eyes and see a rabid dog for the rabid dog that it is. ..."


You mean like this?


MP3 audio book of The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today - by Elizabeth Dilling

PDF book:

my puppy for prez's picture

You seem incapable of separating the actions of a country's leaders from the everyday lives and habits of its people.  There are zealots in EVERY religion....that fact is represented throughout history.  What is going on here is a complicated, nuanced, obscured narrative that is not, underneath the surface of media construct, what it appears to be.  

If you would go and read George Washington's Farewell Address, you would find that he, and the other founders, had a very non-interventionist approach both militarily and diplomatically.  Furthermore, General Smedley Butler would say that the ONLY job of the military is to defend America's home soil.  Given the swiss cheese character of our borders, do you think our leaders have done a marvelous job in this most fundamental of duties?  Why are we "over there" when we are not even protecting "over here"?

The answer to that is that ALL IS NOT AS IT SEEMS....and you must dig deeper past the sound bytes and memes to construct a working definition of the true conflicts and agendas that dominate the world in which we live today.

Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

Excellent point!

Stifling freedom of expression, executing gays and treating women as sub human is not a reflection of the society it is a reflection of only the religious zealots.

The radical islamic muzzie is the most misinterpreted, misunderstood creature ever created just ask one.

Blah, blah, blah, evil zionista this, evil zionista that,

Iran has been waging a low level war via proxy against the USA for decades.

Aslam Alekem.

Frummox's picture

AIPAC - could not have said it better!

George Washington's picture

The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neoconservatives who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.)

Neocons are mainly atheists, who use religion as a smokescreen. Specifically, neocons use religion to manipulate people, even though they themselves are usually not religious.


The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.

These are hardly the acts of devout Muslims.

my puppy for prez's picture

George:  I like many of your articles, but please add "neoliberals" to your list of warmongers!  Warmongering is no respector of political parties.  FDR allowed Pearl Harbor in order to enter WWII.  He was certainly NO conservative!  Why don't we instead use the term "globalist warmongers" so that we don't exclude any of the contributing parties.

George Washington's picture

Yes, of course. I apologize for my shorthand.  II'm too busy now (at work) to spell things out, so please don't think I'm being partisan!

I've written many articles showing Neolibs and Neocons are the same thing ... For example:

Neocons and Neoliberals: Two Masks, One Face

So PLEASE read "Neocons and Neolibs" whenever I write Neocons.

AldousHuxley's picture

hijackers knew they were going to die, so they put partied it all on the credit card.


most of them were know the country where George Bush bows down to the King of Saud?


saudis hate their kingdom who sold them out to the west for material gains instead of societal improvement. Imagine what all the oil wealth could have achieved instead of buying 767s to fly rich prince and their prostitutes around.

dexter_morgan's picture

I'm probably naive, but it seems to me anyone that is truly religious and practicing their religion as the Bible, Koran, etc. teaches is unlikely to be a very violent person. What is it the Bible for example says - 'true religion' is caring for orphans and widows?

But, humans beings being what they are, will take allegorical parts literally, and literal part allegorically, and the next thing we're killing each other in the name of God/Allah/Buddha. Usually it's used as a cover for some form of greed, revenge, grasp for power. We rarely hear the concept of a 'just war' anymore in this country. What was the last 'just war' we were involved in? WWII?

Esculent 69's picture

True religion is about the best way for humans to live in balance in their own lives so when we engage with others we can appreciate their love of life in a open centered compassionate mind so we can all live together under our own vision of God and why we are here.