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Mainstream Reports: The U.S. and Israel - Like Muslim Countries - Support Terrorists
Senior U.S. officials say - according to NBC news - that Israel is training and supporting Iranian terrorists:
I noted last month that the U.S. is as well:
The Mujahideen e Khalq (MEK) ... along with its political arm, the National Council of Resistance in Iran (NCRI), is listed by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist organisation.
Interestingly, the Bush Administration – and especially Dick Cheney – helped to fund the MEK (see confirming articles here and here).
And the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting that Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey are supporting the MEK as well.
Glenn Greenwald notes:
There are numerous Muslims inside the U.S. who have been prosecuted for providing “material support for Terrorism” for doing far less than these American politicians are publicly doing on behalf of a designated Terrorist group.
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Yet here we have numerous American political figures receiving substantial fees from a group which is legally designated under American law as a Terrorist organization. Beyond that, they are meeting with the Terrorist leaders of that group repeatedly .... And, after receiving fees from the Terrorist group and meeting with its Terror leaders, these American political figures are going forth and disseminating pro-MEK messages on its behalf and working to have it removed from the Terrorist list.
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What they are providing to MEK is the definitive “material support.”
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Indeed, as Georgetown Law Professor David Cole noted, these activities on behalf of MEK are clearly prosecutable as “material support for Terrorism” under the standard advocated by the Bush and Obama DOJs and accepted by the Supreme Court in the Holder v. Humanitarian Law case of 2009, which held that even peaceful advocacy on behalf of a Terrorist group can be prosecuted if done in coordination with the group (ironically, many of these paid MEK supporters have long been advocates of broad application of “material support statutes” (when applied to Muslims, that is) and have even praised the Humanitarian Law case). If we had anything even remotely approaching equal application of the law, [U.S. politicians who have aided MEK] would be facing prosecution as Terrorist-helpers.
Then there’s long been the baffling question of where MEK was getting all of this money to pay these American officials. Indeed, the pro-MEK campaign has been lavishly funded. As the CSM noted: ”Besides the string of well-attended events at prestigious American hotels and locations, and in Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, the campaign has included full-page advertisements in The New York Times and Washington Post — which can cost $175,000 apiece.” MEK is basically little more than a nomadic cult: after they sided with Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran, they were widely loathed in Iran and their 3,400 members long lived in camps in Iraq, but the Malaki government no longer wants them there. How has this rag-tag Terrorist cult of Iranian dissidents, who are largely despised in Iran, able to fund such expensive campaigns and to keep U.S. officials on its dole?
All of these mysteries received substantial clarity from an NBC News report by Richard Engel and Robert Windrem yesterday. Citing two anonymous “senior U.S. officials,” that report [states that] the Terrorist group “is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service.” These senior officials also admitted that “the Obama administration is aware of the assassination campaign” but claims it “has no direct involvement.” Iran has long insisted the Israel and the U.S. are using MEK to carry out Terrorist attacks on its soil, including the murder of its scientists, and NBC notes that these acknowledgments “confirm charges leveled by Iran’s leaders” ....
There are a number of vital questions and conclusions raised by this. First, it would be mean that the assurances by MEK’s paid American shills ... that “they are unarmed” are totally false: whoever murdered these scientists is obviously well-armed. Second, this should completely gut the effort to remove MEK from the list of designated Terrorist groups; after all, murdering Iran’s scientists through the use of bombs and guns is a defining act of a Terror group, at least as U.S. law attempts to define the term. Third, this should forever resolve the debate in which I was involved last month about whether the attack on these Iranian scientists constitutes Terrorism; as Daniel Larson put it yesterday: “If true, the murders of Iranian nuclear scientists with bombs have been committed by a recognized terrorist group. Can everyone acknowledge at this point that these attacks were acts of terrorism?”
Fourth, and most important: if this report is true, is this not definitive proof that Israel is, by definition, a so-called state sponsor of Terrorism? Leaving everything else aside, if Israel, as NBC reports, has “financed, trained and armed” a group officially designated by the U.S. Government as a Terrorist organization, isn’t that the definitive act of how one becomes an official “state sponsor of Terrorism”?
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Of course, as I documented in my last book, those who are politically and financially well-connected are free to commit even the most egregious crimes; for that reason, the very idea of prosecuting Giuliani, Rendell, Ridge, Townsend, Dean and friends for their paid labor on behalf of a Terrorist group is unthinkable, a suggestion not fit for decent company .... The term Terrorism is so completely meaningless, manipulated and mischievous: it’s just a cynical term designed to delegitimize violence and even political acts undertaken by America’s enemies while shielding from criticism the actual Terrorism undertaken by itself and its allies. The spectacle whereby a designated Terrorist group can pay top American politicians to advocate for them even as they engage in violent Terrorist acts, all while being trained, funded and aided by America’s top client state, should forever end the controversy over that glaringly obvious proposition.
Indeed, high-level U.S. and Israeli officials have admitted that they carry out terrorism.
For example:
- The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
- Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)
And the former director of the National Security Agency said:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
Note: I am not defending Muslim terrorists or picking on the U.S. and Israel. Many nations - including Muslim countries - have carried out terrorist attacks. I am simply pointing to the hypocrisy, double standards and imperial arrogance of America and Israel.
If the U.S. and Israel sponsor terrorism, then Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser was correct when he told the Senate in 2007: the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.
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Know nothing about? Here is what I know, with Thelma and Louise encroaching on every seam, it is awfully difficult to continue to exist as caveman.
My perpetual offer to all of the radical islamic ball danglers at ZH still holds.
I will pay for any funeral for anyone who wishes to prove this gross portrayal by merely walking down Main St, Teheran with an anti Mohammed slogan on a sign. I will gladly do the same with an anti jesus sign in the bible belt.(prove what you don't know George preaching tolerance to the most intolerant people on earth)
Yea know nothing about, they have virtual zero freedom of expression which costs the entire human race, they kill gays and they largely treat women as sub human.
and Americans love gays right? americans dont' kill gays or blacks or indians or mexican right?
americans treat women as equals? what's the equality when women are forced to work shitty jobs while someone else take care of their kids?
listen, you are hating XYZ because of media which is controlled.
US was ally of Bin Laden in Afghanistan when they were fighting Russia's communism. 9/11 terrorists are not Iranians or Iraqis...they are Saudi nationals. US bribes Saudi Royal family with military protection, Saudis give US cheap oil. Smart Saudis even though they are born on rich land, they don't get shit or can't develop as human beings so they run off to Bin Laden who uses religion to get back at his own family and country...the Saudis. Bin Laden used religion to brainwash idiots to do the dirty work for him.
To Bushes, Saudis, Bin Laden, Obama, religion is for suckers....opium for the masses....to control them by saying "God wants you to do XYZ"
What is Christian's business having a military base in Saudi Arabia?????
protecting the kingdom from her own people or protecting the royal family from her own citizens???
you think you have freedom of expression? Didn't you see OWS get sprayed for speaking against banksters? government controls your "freedom" and elites control government. They just have you believe that you are free when there is only 1 or 2 choices on the ballot.
Turn off the TV.
They are currently one of the most intolerant oppressive cultures of any size on the planet to the detriment of the entire human race. Denying it is denying the sky is blue and rationalizing it is nothing more than enabling it to take place.
BTW not that anyone is keeping score but the communists have killed more people than anyone else on earth-no religion necessary. Kamikazees existed praying to the flag of the rising sun-no religion necessary.
The hysterical thing is your citations assume absent religion same person would not have found another shill to advance their agenda and that is preposterously farcical. No Mohammed, No Allah, they still treating women like sub humans, stifiling creativity and killing gays.
'Nuff said.
It has to be at the detriment of the whole human race. Or it is not US citizenism propaganda.
Here's the problem I see here: Everyone has their own definition of "terrorism". Unless you can all agree on a definition, you're all talking past each other.
Here's the problem I see here: Everyone has their own need, for some self-centered reason or anotherrepeatedly to keep defining the obvious
meanwhile denying the obvious
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-18.html
repeating more of the same day-after-dayrepeatedly as if time for all these odd in fun items hasn't already long run-out
let's see, what is a terrorist : let's say, that depends on what your definition of Is. is
if running-off-at-the-mouth is gonna continue being its own object, echo and alltalk, Language, at least read a man who knew how to use it in having ink which was both paid-for and ran in bloodlonghand while most certainly knowing alot more than alla us here firsthand the long hard way
Which "terrorist" county would you rather in, the US, Iran or Syria? I thought so.
depends on the time frame... now while the US is busy terrorizing Syria and Iran? or later when the U.S. gov is fully terrorizing U.S. citizens?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ws0Xy4QjE
American uneducated TV watching masses think shitty old house on some farm land is having it good. and Iran is some backward country. Well, US is broke and in debt, Iran is rich in oil exports. why else would US want to invade Iran? to free abused women you spend billions? It is because they are rich!
History of Iran for Ron Paul fans who doesn't want half of your taxes going to wars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen
O come on! I am a journalist and have worked in the Middle East. Was in Tahrir Square last Feb for two weeks reporting. I know all about Israel. NOT a friend of the US, but a milking maid.
I have novel available in a month. Set in Vietnam, where I worked as an editor at the national paper, but it's all about Israel/Palestine, too, and a Mossad agent killing someone in Ha Noi.
Called "The Girl from Ha Giang", check it out at Amazon and elsewhere later this Spring. A very fine and well written tale, most of it based on direct experience in Nam, and in the West Bank, too.
When IS the US going to wake up to what the rest of the world mostly knows?
Terrorism is an effective tool - witness its effect on the US. It should not suurprise that warriors of all ilks would want to perfect its use.
Yes it does work on ignorant americans and there are a lot of them. when obama doesn't get his spending bill, he threatens the public by saying that seniors won't get their checks, or we'll have to layoff teachers and police. well next thing you know they start calling their representatives to vote for it so they can get their money and the further in debt we go. If he doesn't get it he blames the republicans or a do nothing congress. BTW, the federal gov't is not responsible for paying teachers and police. What do you think you pay propery taxes, and state tax, and sales tax, and alcohol tax, and cigarette tax, and gas tax, and DMV fees/tax, and e-recylce tax/ and your carbon tax, and plastic bag tax, and business tax, and corporate tax, and capital gains tax, and electricity tax, and your cell phone tax, and ............. shall i contiue to go or do you finally get the fucking point
You will find that this site is not at all interested in the typical partisan debate thing. People here are into FREEDOM, and realize that the banksters et al own BOTH sides of the aisle. But keep coming back....you might learn some things....
yes, of course. Terrorism, fear, deterrent, mutually assured destruction --it's all variations on the same, theme. As long as the enemy values human life, they will have that vulnerability and the tactic will be effective. The secular west is very vulnerable which is rather obvious to all parties.
What if the enemy does not value human life but values a superhuman after-life? Better look for a different tactic, because terrorism won't work on an enemy that values their own death.
Your only two choices are punching their ticket in this life or taking away their ticket to the next life. The latter, would take an elegance that is well beyond the reach of military planners.
The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neoconservatives who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.)
Neocons are mainly atheists, who use religion as a smokescreen. Specifically, neocons use religion to manipulate people, even though they themselves are usually not religious.
Also:
Bill O’Reilly Is Right: It’s Unfair To Call the Norwegian Mass Murderer a Christian … And It’s Also Unfair to Call Arab Terrorists Muslims
The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.
These are hardly the acts of devout Muslims.
Its all a good excuse to hand out the nukes to the tribesmen.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/saudi-arabia-to-acquire-nucle...
the original story is from the london times.
I've been calling B S on the "war on terror" since the Patriot Act in 2001. It's the war on the People.
"Can everyone acknowledge at this point that these attacks were acts of terrorism?"
Political assasination.
Yeah, but not if done by US or Israeli weapons, can we at least agree on that?
(wots sad is I have to put a /sarc on that or else some bozzo would take it seriously)
The goal of government is to keep the population subservient, dependant, and afraid. To do this it is important to have real enemies and a good enemy has to be nurtured.
Lamestream Reports: The U.S. and Israel - unLike Muslim Countries - Are the Real Terrorists.*There ya go. What the title should really read.
*The United States is the greatest terrorist nation since WWII and probably before that too. And biggest hyprocrite.
Davood, of course not! All we've ever done from black ops to full invasions has of course been done to "defend freedom." I'm so thankful that we have too. har har
Of course from a perverted sense of reality "defending freedom" is actually quite correct. The "freedom" of oligarchs, real terrorists, and corporations to rape and pillage where they like and when they like. Like the old Banana Republic company that had to change its name to Chiquita to hide its ugly history.
Every country uses questionable means to protect its citizens and interests. The difference between countires like Israel and the US vs. Iran and Syria is that the US and Israel provide freedom of their citizens from persecution and war. We all see what's happening in Syria, and we all know what happened in the last elections in Iran. You can bitch all you want to, its a fact of life. And yes, people in the US and Israel do have many more freedoms than those in the oppressive arab regimes. Assad wasn't a dictator being propped up by the US, yet his regime was run with a tight fist and freely used violence, intimidation and murder to keep his citizens in place.
Ask Bradley Manning about that "freedom".
"provide freedom of their citizens..."
are you on heavy drugs?
/R
i wonder if U.S. military families feel like they are free from the horrors of war?
I guess not since Spc Millay is still in the slammer in AK for allegedly divulging "non-classified" info.
Unfortunately for all those countries, they cant eliminate those they persecute as being non citizens, pushing them under the rug, just like US citizens do.
With US citizens, it is easy, you are wrong side of the fence, well, too bad, US citizens wont count you in as persecuted.
Too bad for the other countries that are not allowed in US citizenism club, they are forced to count everyone in.
Wouldnt it be good if they could just like US citizens do that the People they persecute are part of their People?
It is US citizens perception of sovereignty.
Sovereign countries oppressing their own vs sovereign countries oppressing people they have no legitimate power over.
US citizens do not disagree with tyranny, they disagree with being tyrannized.
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Yeah, but lamington truffles in small armoured frisbees bedecked with chromed lemon flavoured toupees still rule dude!
jus sayin
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USA number one. We've really always been the champs when it comes to state-sponsored terror.
Hell, our guys are so good the training we gave 'em 30 years ago is fucking our world in Afghanistan to this very day. They're probably running some of the drug ranches in S. America, too.
Great article GW
...that should put it up em
This represents the usual name-calling tactic/game. Nations with the nukes and money get to call themselves the good guys and their terrorist acts are considered legitimate counter-terrorist ops. As always, the US/Israel can officially never do wrong.
I am simply pointing to the hypocrisy, double standards and imperial arrogance ...
Why not, instead, focus on the principles for which the terrorism has been employed. Whose principles would you rather live under, and what must be done over the course of history to protect those principles. When you have answered that question for yourself, you will know which terrorists you will support, and why.
Wow....your understanding of the topic is glaringly insoucient.
You are trapped in dialectical thinking still.
Break free from the dialectic, and you will be able to see and reason clearly.
A fights B, while the puppetmasters funnel both A and B into the synthesis of C.
Keep your focus on the dialectic masters who control the entire equation.
I'll give you a hint: Their name starts with R, they adhere to the agenda of Z, and they control a crown and nation formerly known for liberty.
is that a play on plurality?
Question: what letter prefaces[?] "R"
nice read GW
any system that chooses to rely on terrorism to pursue its ends is unworthy of my support. Instead it becomes a moral and ethical imperitive to oppose and expose. one big pretext of the war on terror is that westerners are somehow better than those savage "brown" people who kill at random... oh the irony... the terrorism was contrived and carried out by ZATO from the beginning, and now we openly see who the real savages are.
Were the American Colonists not viewed as terrorists by the British when they sent soldiers to control Americans?
RichardPettifogger . . . you're losing your own case
e.g.&btw: UK Is. USA BANKING. and from the beginning
... you're losing your own case ...
I'm not making a case. I'm stating the obvious: the principles you subscribe to determine who you label as terrorists. Some principles are better than others (as determined by you). So some terrorists (the ones who support your principles) are better than others.
Most would rather live in the U.S. than Iran or Syria. So ya gotta put up with what the U.S. terrorists do. Either that, or change things in the U.S., depending on what your principles lead you to do. Me ... I'm gonna watch the Grammy's Sunday night.
if they attacked and killed innocent human beings, then yes. If they waged war against the soldiers and mercenaries sent by corrupt king, then no.
A principle isn't a principle if you chuck it out the window whenever it becomes inconvenient. If that is your attitude, than you really have no principles at all.
Indeed. The only principle under which terrorism can be allowed is a principle that approves of terrorism. Sounds circular, because it is.
"The end justifies the means" is 9th circle of hell moral nonsense. Look up Dante's Inferno before you try to argue.
The truth of this reality, dwelling in the present moment, is that the means are the end, because the means are the only thing that ever exist in the here and now.
Were the original Boston Tea Party guys terrorists? Should Americans leave this country and emigrate to Iran because they don't approve of the principles that drove the Boston Tea Party guys/terrorists?
Your comment gets fogged up in the messines of life.
So should they prosecute that Adler guy or give him a Pulitzer? What ya think?
What is the thrust of your statement?
Since Israel supports terrorism then support for terrorism is not a bad thing as long as they are the "right kind of terrorists"?
Really?
When confromted with evil people you confront them with evil. Fight fire with fire. Then enemy defines the rules. Yes we are better then this, but what do you think it takes to defeat Iran if we are to never go to war. do we let them get a bomb and destroy israel, which would probably make a lot of the jooo haters on this site happy, and then let a even more horrific war over the world commence? who would you rather have in posession of nukes Iran or the USA? nobody has to worry about the USA because we do everything to avoid that end unless other choices are a worse outcome. did you cheer the movie "inglorious bastards" when they scalped their prisoners and carved swastikas in their foreheads or did you stand up and wine how we have our own terrorist group torturing prisoners. I know it's a movie, but you cheered when they beat that guys ass with a bat because he was a nazi and deserved it for their evil. Most of you think of Bush and Chaney whenever the word nazi is brought up. Just remember, NAZI mean National Socialist German Workers Party. Socialist are the most dangerous people on the planet because they feel they are more self-righteous than everyone else so if they kill people for their cause its justified. Just look at OWS. BTW. How do you know that the terrorist group is not a front group that is put on the terrorist watchlist just to give them credibility? Answere is you don't. If you were every in the military you'd understand that their is a game inside the game inside the game inside the game. Nothing is ever as it seems. I will only agree to one point and it is the fact that we have to go to these great extents not to do what should be obvious and that is to defeat the enemy. Patton had it right when he said politician prevent us from winning the war so more war is to come. If we finish the job the first time and stop listening to theses whinning anti-war peace protesters we would have a lot less war. Especially when OPEC countries sign international treaties that say they're not allowed to use their oil in a strategic military action against other nations.
Careful, 69 - that type of pro-American/Jewish talk is NOT welcome here....fight fire with fire indeed! Kindly fall into line with the general Jew hating, anti-American, pro Muslim sentiment rampant on ZH. Thank you.