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Keep beating the drum, Geo!
WRT Ron Paul, a well-publicized official stand against Corporate Personhood would supercharge his campaign, imo. A recent camera phone video of some side remarks he made to a guy in a crowd somwhere indicated that he rejects the Corporate Person . . .
Paulians should get this bombshell into the news alongside his "End The Fed" meme, imo.
This would be BIG NEWS . . .
OWS has proved to be a completely useless exercise because some very simple reasoning:
1. There is no single unified request. If there was a single request, for a single change, it would be incredibly difficult to ignore the protests. It would be easy to spread the message, and gain momentum with new support nationwide if there was indeed one single message.
2. There is no clear leadership. Sure, there are some leader types that made trips down to the site, and made some press comments maybe even waived a sign. But no one is standing up leading people into forming a single unified request.
Imagine what OWS would have acheived if:
1. There was a leader (or leadership group), who had the protestors aligned on a unified request.
2. The unified request was "Eliminate all coporate dollars in campaign finance (i.e.: legalized corruption and conflict of interest)".
The only more broad and perhaps bigger request should be "eliminate corporate personhood". It is not difficult to imagine the message sweeping the 99% and actually considerably more than 50% understanding that corporate dollars in DC is at the very core of every single issue they are protesting, and to name a few: perpetual war, war on drugs, WS bailouts, Fed policy, access to basic healthcare, falling education quality, corporate destruction of the environment.......to name a few.
By focusing on a single root problem, and demanding change, there is a possibility that things will actually change.
"70% [of all voters] believe that the government and big business typically work together in ways that hurt consumers and investors."
Govt is a monopoly institution. It doesn't give a fuk for end-users, why should it, it has all the power, it is a big fat monopoly?
Govt (monopoly of authority in society) is the exact opposite and eenrmy of individual freedom and commercial freedom. Wake up
"..some 82% of the American public wants tougher regulation of Wall Street.."
Those 82% already have the most regulation, most Law, most Policing bodies in human history. Did they not notice the massive mushroom cloud of regulations that exploded over Europe and America in the past 20 years??
Even Sovietic Russia and Mao China cannot compete with the explosive number of State micro-managing rules from our Totalitarian Monopolist States in Europe and America. We have so many rules and Regs' and so many police agencies George Orwells nightmare scenario still doesn't come close to how many ways Govt can screw the citizen and private business.
The State is telling bars they cannot put free peanuts out on the bar for customers and New York restaraunts what size the hole in a salt-shaker should be. Marxism gone fuking mad
We've never had so much Law /Regulations and so many over-paid useless tossers (State police and regulators) yet we've never had so much financial theft, fraud and vandalism (anarachy).
You want MORE??? You are fucking kidding me!!
Try the free market. Try zero regulation.... for a fuking change
Govt is anarchy (a small group running riot over society)
Your head is so far up your fucking ass, your going to stop breathing! Remember the S+L fiasco you fucking moron. Did you forget all the nija loans and bundling of super-crap, dog shit loans sold all over the world by WS. R U such a stupid jerk that actually thinks "men are angels". Kiss my ass, but before I wipe so my shit is on your face. The same thing in your head you idiot.............
I'm in total agreement with you GW. For months I've been saying it's not right vs. left. It's right vs. wrong.
it is not right versus wrong
it's productive people versus unproductive people (parasites)
Go through human history and sub-divide society into productive people (farmers, industrialists, merchants etc) who progressed society and made it wealthy and parasites (Kings, Queens, Govts of all colours and bankers) who try to live off societies backs doing fuck-all.
The penny will drop who delievered wealth and progress to society and who tried to bleed it dry sitting on their fat arses Lording it over society. It'll also drop what all the fights (Revolutions) were about in history... everything will fall into place, all planets will align
We are fighting the exact same battle that's been fought hundreds of times throughout history. A bled dry society trying to rid itself of the parasites (Govt, bankers and other monopolist human scum)
A parasitical elite using Govt as its front-man dressed up as "democracy" sucking productive society dry, vandalising and running riot across whole nations (ie. ANARCHY)
Govt : the Biggest Social and Economic Mistake in History
I'm on the same page GW; left, right, center, whatever. These divisions have to end.
There was an interesting discussion that I heard on NPR between Memphis OWS and the Tea Party there, and it seemed like an honest attempt of both Tea Partiers and OWS folks to have a dialogue and find common ground. There were some things in common and some differences, but what really stood out for me was the effort, the attempt to face each other and have an honest discussion about what folks want to see happen. That is encouraging.
Does anyone still believe in "the Left" and "The Right" anymore? It is very easy to tell if a media outlet, or a person is for the Establishment or for reality, for the Empire or for the human race, for genocide or for progress. But what flavor of establishment opinion they favor on manipulated polls? Who knows, who cares?
The issue with the vast majority of people is that they do not understand what is going on, they don't know what is going on, and most want to "go back" to some time when it was better. But the rot that is killing the world today was clearly in place as far back as, say, 1968. And, at that time, their was also a controlled opposition with the FBI raiding Draft boards and the Ford Foundation funding both campus and ghetto radical gropus. Going back is no solution.
Rather look to where the world must be in 2062, or 2112 as a guide to what the short term future must be, as to what must be done tomorrow.
And tomorrow Ocrap must go. You can tell me all the reason why that is not enough, that Biden is really better, etc, etc. True. But it is the one single act that can be taken in the short term that will actually make a difference. It is a start, only a start. But, it sure as hell will wake wake a lot of people.
Getting rid of Nixon and some of the laws that were passed soon afterwards as a result were the few accomplishments of that period.
Throw the bum out.
Yeah, flip over to the other OWNED party. It will be so much better. There's one born every minute.
We had 60 years of protection from the criminally insane with the Glass Steagall Act.......After Gramm-Leach- Bliley (GLB) was passed it took only six years to distroy a 62 trillion dollar global economy....... The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) is an act of the 106th United States Congress (1999–2001). It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company. With the passage of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were allowed to consolidate. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
A year before the law was passed, Citicorp, a commercial bank holding company, merged with the insurance company Travelers Group in 1998 to form the conglomerate Citigroup, a corporation combining banking, securities and insurance services under a house of brands that included Citibank, Smith Barney, Primerica, and Travelers. Because this merger was a violation of the Glass–Steagall Act and the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, the Federal Reserve gave Citigroup a temporary waiver in September 1998. Less than a year later, GLB was passed to legalize these types of mergers on a permanent basis. The law also repealed Glass–Steagall's conflict of interest prohibitions "against simultaneous service by any officer, director, or employee of a securities firm as an officer, director, or employee of any member bank."
If government regulation did not require tax payers to bail out failed banks then the banks would have to pay the consequences themselves.
Government regulation is the problem.
Cancel the word "regulation" and then you have the true picture. Milestones
OK. Government is the problem.
The problem with government regulation is that it has been neutered since the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Tell me, what do you think would be so horrible about reinstating a law that provided us with decades of sound banking? And the real problem with the regulators, FYI, is that they are part of the control fraud that is endemic in our government. They are all in on it, looting the wealth of our country. How could the SEC not have seen Bernie Madoff coming and why doesn't the CME guarantee customer segregated funds from the banksters? You obviously have been brainwashed by people with an agenda, and they sure aren't part of the 99%.
Tell me, what do you think would be so horrible about reinstating a law that provided us with decades of sound banking?
Tell me, what do you think would be so horrible about reinstating a law that provided us with decades of sound banking?
The government does not have your best interests at heart. They are out to screw you. Asking them to give up their money and power and to play nice is a fool's errand. How can you not understand that? Do you really believe that Obama, Pelosi and Boehner are going to look on you with pity and stop whooping your ass?
There is no government regulation that requires bailing out banks. That's corruption (crony capitalism) you're referring to. Get your terms straight.
And you seem to have some difficulty with basic logic. The conclusion "Government regulation is the problem" doesn't follow from the premise that government regulation requires taxpayers to bail out banks (because it doesn't!). It's a false conclusion based on a false premise.
TARP was legislation which put the responsibility of bailing out the banks on the taxpayers. Why lie about it?
Yes. But legislation is different from regulation. Legislation is done by Congress and regulation is done by the Executive Branch, usually by career bureaucrats.
Robert Rubin and Larry Summers penned and lobbied for the reversal of Glass Steagal. The day that it was signed, Rubin retired as Sec. Treasury and became Executive Vice Chairman of Citi.
He collected hundreds of millions of dollars ove the next several years as Citi levered up on Americas credit card.
The more I learn about this the more I see that there was only a few hundred people that have made it filthy rich and for now have gotten away scott free.........These criminals should be tried for crimes against humanity and brought to justice......In the eyes of the world court..........They knew what they were doing then and they knew it would be catstrophic to the world economy..............round them up sieze all there ill begotten gains and hall thier asses into court. This trial should rival that of the Nazi at Nuremberg........They should be tried for crimes against humanity.........and Hung to DEATH in that order..........
...!!!...60 % opposed financial bailouts"....!!!!
WOW....ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WOW....
That means there are 40 % of Americans are complete fucking idiot sheeple.
The article is nonsense. OWS sees more government and more nanny state as the solution. Tea party sees less government and less nanny state as the solution. Just because they agree there is a problem and agree somewhat as to the nature of the problem does not mean there's much of a common cause. The fundamental difference: OWS sees the solution as putting OWS in power of a huge government--bigger and more all powerful than our current one. If only good people were running things, they think, we could give them even more power than our government has today. OTOH, the tea party sees the size and power of the government as the problem. Just because they are both pissed off at financial institutions does not make them natural allies at all. Maybe some OWSer's can be educated as to the actual nature of the problem. But from what I see on the internet, they look pretty hopeless as candidates for the cause of smaller, constitutional government.
The folks leading OWS will be the ones leading the tea partiers to concentration camps, should the OWS guys ever get power. I saw this same group at work in the 60's. They are not good or well intentioned people. Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrnn would fit in nicely.
??Boomer, appx. 67-74, worked for the county for 36 years, last few years as county assesor; on the board of the Rotary and a member in good standing at the Elks. Got 3 deferments due to college-no nam for this guy.
Nah, after rereading you're letter, this whole thing would sound like a flight of Flamingo'o over your head. Milestones
I believe a compromise can be found by combining libertarian and socialist philosophies. It would include more states rights over innerstate commerce and banking, with good regulation like Glass-Steagall to protect the economy from the gamers. In the meantime, we need to figure out a way to stop the two party system from allowing the corruption to become status quo. They set each other up as the enemy, forcing voters to support the corrupted system by voting the other side out, which only guarantees they together keep the control fraud going. Crony capitalism has to end.
Despite the fact two of the primary criticisms of OWS are that they don't have identifiable leaders or a well articulated "list of demands", many of you seem to know what OWS stands for or portends. Perhaps those of you who are OWS experts should volunteer.
Pretty much everybody I know who is involved, lots of regular folks in my city, is anti bankster. Nuff said.
Not enough said. You were asked to elucidate the OWS platform.
That will come. By elucidating it too soon, it gives the lobbyists a chance to twist it with propaganda. Or turn them into one issue wonders like the "no new taxes" teaparty sheeple. Anything to defuse them, keep the eyes off the banksters, and keep the two party status quo. Also, since it is becoming clear that the whole system has been corrupted by control fraud which includes main stream corporate media, the solution is much more difficult than just voting in a new guy.
So you believe in shooting first and asking questions later? That always works out well.
I'm not saying Palin should or shouldn't be running for POTUS. But George? How did she contribute to the TBTF and the financial mess we are in now? Can anyone please point to the empirical data to prove her culpability.
I guess I spent too much time in LA. Juxtapose her family against the dysfunction that litters LA's Westside (especially north of Sunset) and Newark and Baltimore and Chicago ad nauseum...need I say more.
Good Americans are getting increasingly harder to find. Ron Paul is a patriot. I consider Todd Palin a patriot too. His wife did go toe to toe with Big Oil.
The sense I get is that the (male) Haters either have a big crush on Todd or they have some equipment issues just north of the teabags. Get Viagra not bitter. And let's spend more time fighting the enemies and not our patriots. This hate Palin shit is juvenile. It makes you look WEAK.
There are a vast variety of reasons Ron Paul, Todd Palin's wife, and the word "patriot" don't belong together in your paragraph.
For starters see - Pre-emptive war strategy / Bush Doctrine
For more info see - Going Toe to Toe with Big Oil / The War in Iraq
For further info see - Patriot Act / War on Terror
She is part of the corrupt crony capitalistic two party system. That is enough for me. I feel completely disenfranchised and fed up with giant douche or turd sandwich choices.
I've had it with the tea party/ows comparisons.
OWS is violent and marxist. They act like children and are repulsive to most people.
The tea party supporters are civic minded and are working to change the system at the ballot box.
Just because we share a disgust with Wall Street, as it operates today, and Washington, as it operates as whores of Wall Street, does not mean that we want to SUDDENLY SWITCH TO SOCIALISM.
Capitalism is the golden goose that put this country light years ahead of the rest of the world. The OWS protesters want to kill it and we find that belief to be incredibly stupid.
Can't you see that OWS is a creation of the establishment. Soros has been playing you people like the useful idiots that you are. In the end, if you are successful, the elites will have a totalitarian government and you will be forgotten.
You read the NY post don't you?
I'm repulsed by the fact the mayor is a billionaire. Its obvious who he works for.
Socialized losses mean we are already there friend. There is no way that everything that ever happens is coopted by TPTB. Impossible.
Facists like to throw around words like Marxists to scare the people. Tea Party is the road to fascism. All about cutting the deficit, cutting the entitlements. Nothing about cutting the banksters off at the knees.
Keeping the safety net in place to prevent having to have fascist thugs keep the peace of the downtrodden is not socialism to me. But there you go, I call myself a libertarian socialist. I see good and bad points in both systems.
What we are fighting in this country is CRONY CAPITALISM. Look it up and tell me why you disagree.
The so-called safety net is there to keep the less fortunate in their place. Let individuals help individuals the way they always have (at least before government started taking half our wages) and stop letting the government use your money as a bribe to keep the little people down.
You're an idiot.
A libertarian socialist.
Is that like a pro life abortionist?
Or, a mass murdering humanitarian?
Or, a freedom loving totalitarian?
Or, a tax and spend conservative?
We all hate crony capitalism. We just disagree on how to dispose of it.
The tea party would take a scalple and prosecute the douche bags like Corzine and Rubin and send them to jail.
You assholes want to completely change the system.
That makes you dangerous and an asshole.
You are too simple minded to understand. We are owned by the banksters, who own both of our political parties. Until we get out from under that burden, the rest of the details about our economy will have no inpact on our future prosperity. We are on the road to fascism, not socialism.
Give me some examples of Tea Party leaders standing up to the banksters. Just you saying what they would do to Rubin and Corzine isn't enough.
I think its fair to say those within the TP have always been against Rubin & Corzine...lol.
And Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Bwaney Fwank, Jim Johnson, Chuck Schumer etc. Those who comprise the TP recognized the connection between the state & Wall Street long before #OWS was a gleam in your daddy's eye. GW rightly points out the birth of this particular TP can be traced directly to the bailouts. Given a voice (finally) on the dying MSM stage by one Rick Santelli.
The TP will continue to change things from the grassroots level...local, then state and finally the national level. And there is nothing any statist of any stripe can do about it.
You can not have your cake and eat it too. OWS is infantile at its core. It's like having the right road map and still taking EVERY WRONG TURN.
The tea party attracted loons. They wore costumes. And some looked ridiculous at times.
OWS attracted loons. Which crowd would you let your daughter attend unsupervised?
"They wore costumes. And some looked ridiculous at times."
Not costumes!!! That is utterly beyond the pale. And worse, they looked ridiculous. My God. How could I have supported them.
"Which crowd would you let your daughter attend unsupervised?"
I haven't heard of any rapes that occured at tea party events. Nor have I heard tea partiers advocating sex with animals. So off hand, I'd say the tea party hands down.
"The Tea Party was and is effective because it stayed on message and didn't give in to the baser elements of its movement nor a monied interest bent on shaping and benefitting from their message. "
The Tea Party is saying nothing about the banksters. They are too busy distracting the sheeple with their screaming about the deficit. It is a matter of priorities. As far as I'm concerned, their lack of voice regarding ongoing support for crony capitalists is a sell out.
They are doing just what the 1% want them to do. They are tamed. OWS refuses to define itself as anything other than anti bank. Anti globalist crony capitalistic banking industry. As an independent, I am watching them as the only hope. A third party is the only answer.
"The Tea Party is saying nothing about the banksters. They are too busy distracting the sheeple with their screaming about the deficit. It is a matter of priorities. As far as I'm concerned, their lack of voice regarding ongoing support for crony capitalists is a sell out."
I don't think you see the battle going on between the Republicans and the Tea party. The crony capitalists amongst the Republicans LOATHE the Tea Party because that is one because cronyism is one of the major concerns amongst tea partiers. The battle, at least where I live, is vicious and is seat by seat in the state legislatures. The crony guys in the Republican party are fighting a rear guard battle to keep small-government conservatives out of office. They see conservatives as far more of a threat to their way of life than democrats.
But I also think the term "crony capitalism" is far too narrow a focus. Labor unions, particularly the public ones, have become little more than organized crime that buys politicians with mandatory dues the union collects because an overwhelmingly powerful government gives them that power over their members. So add crony unions. I'm a former Republican party officer and know what's going on in the Tea Party at least locally. Frankly, the bailout of banks makes ears steam amongst them. The bailout of unions, which was the primary point of the stimulus package, does too.
I also think you understimate the seriousness of the deficit argument. Governments have a much harder time doing much for cronies (whether business or union cronies) if they don't have oodles of money to spend. Reduce federal spending by 50% and a lot of the cronies will get bored and go onto productive endeavors or organized crime. Reduce the authority of administrative agencies to hand out monopolies or to erect barries to competition and the cronies get bored. Reduce the power of the government to take campaign contributions from unions and promise in return pensions that can never be paid and increase the power of union management over it's members and the folks skimming millions of dollars off unions and the union cronies will turn to more honest organized crime or perhaps run for office.
The problem is a ruling class that controls the levers of power (unions, banks, GE, Soylandra etc) and a government that has really, really big levers. See, Andrew Codevilla. Many Republicans and and virtually all Democrats are part of that ruling class. Conservatives, many of whom are tea partiers, are the only organized political group that challenge that basic power structure because they want to take away the levers. OWS appears to want much bigger levers but to have only really, really, sincere, good people in charge of pulling them. That'll work for about 3 months.
I don't know what country you live in, but organized labor has been losing both in power and membership. Its one of the reasons for the growin inequality in our country. Just the way the fascists planned it, served to you with your daily propaganda.
"Labor unions, particularly the public ones, have become little more than organized crime that buys politicians with mandatory dues the union collects because an overwhelmingly powerful government gives them that power over their members. '
"The Tea Party is saying nothing about the banksters."
A COMPLETE and utter CROCK OF SHIT. Soros knees pads are welcome at Media Matters.
Okay, so point me out some "Tea Party" representatives in government who are doing anything at all to put the focus on the ongoing looting of our economy by the global corporate banking system?
I don't usually quote this guy, in fact I got booted off his forum for calling Trump a teabagger, but even HE is fed up with the Tea Party:
Wrong place, wrong time. Good bye.
tea party offers a path, right or wrong...OWS offers chaos........
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