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Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the "Second Coming" ... and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion
MILLIONS OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WANT TO START WORLD WAR III ... TO SPEED UP THE SECOND COMING
The Founding Fathers weren't particularly anti-Islam.
But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel - led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee - is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.
This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies. Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:
They are supported by politicians such as:
- Texas Senator John Cronyn
- Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt
- Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
- And others
Dr. Timothy Webber - an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee - notes:
In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.
While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.
Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
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Starting in the 1970s, dispensationalists broke into the popular culture with runaway best-sellers, and a well-networked political campaign to promote and protect the interests of Israel. Since the mid-1990s, tens of millions of people who have never seen a prophetic chart or listened to a sermon on the second coming have read one or more novels in the Left Behind series, which has become the most effective disseminator of dispensationalist ideas ever.
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During the early 1980s the Israeli Ministry of Tourism recruited evangelical religious leaders for free "familiarization" tours. In time, hundreds of evangelical pastors got free trips to the Holy Land. The purpose of such promotional tours was to enable people of even limited influence to experience Israel for themselves and be shown how they might bring their own tour group to Israel. The Ministry of Tourism was interested in more than tourist dollars: here was a way of building a solid corps of non-Jewish supporters for Israel in the United States by bringing large numbers of evangelicals to hear and see Israel's story for themselves. The strategy caught on.
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Shortly after the Six-Day War, elements within the Israeli government saw the potential power of the evangelical subculture and began to mobilize it as a base of support that could influence American foreign policy. The Israeli government sent Yona Malachy of its Department of Religious Affairs to the United States to study American fundamentalism and its potential as an ally of Israel. Malachy was warmly received by fundamentalists and was able to influence some of them to issue strong pro-Israeli manifestos. By the mid-1980s, there was a discernible shift in the Israeli political strategy. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Jewish state's major lobbying group in Washington, D.C., started re-aligning itself with the American political right-wing, including Christian conservatives. Israel's timing was perfect. It began working seriously with American dispensationalists at the precise moment that American fundamentalists and evangelicals were discovering their political voice.
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Probably the largest pro-Israel organization of its kind is the National Unity Coalition for Israel, which was founded by a Jewish woman who learned how to get dispensationalist support. NUCI opposes "the establishment of a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel."
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In their commitment to keep Israel strong and moving in directions prophesied by the Bible, dispensationalists are supporting some of the most dangerous elements in Israeli society. They do so because such political and religious elements seem to conform to dispensationalist beliefs about what is coming next for Israel. By lending their support-both financial and spiritual-to such groups, dispensationalists are helping the future they envision come to pass.
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Dispensationalists believe that the Temple is coming too; and their convictions have led them to support the aims and actions of what most Israelis believe are the most dangerous right-wing elements in their society, people whose views make any compromise necessary for lasting peace impossible. Such sentiments do not matter to the believers in Bible prophecy, for whom the outcome of the quarrelsome issue of the Temple Mount has already been determined by God.
Since the end of the Six-Day War, then, dispensationalists have increasingly moved from observers to participant-observers. They have acted consistently with their convictions about the coming Last Days in ways that make their prophecies appear to be self-fulfilling.
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As Paul Boyer has pointed out, dispensationalism has effectively conditioned millions of Americans to be somewhat passive about the future and provided them with lenses through which to understand world events. Thanks to the sometimes changing perspectives of their Bible teachers, dispensationalists are certain that trouble in the Middle East is inevitable, that nations will war against nations, and that the time is coming when millions of people will die as a result of nuclear war, the persecution of Antichrist, or as a result of divine judgment. Striving for peace in the Middle East is a hopeless pursuit with no chance of success.
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For the dispensational community, the future is determined. The Bible's prophecies are being fulfilled with amazing accuracy and rapidity. They do not believe that the Road Map will-or should-succeed. According to the prophetic texts, partitioning is not in Israel's future, even if the creation of a Palestinian state is the best chance for peace in the region. Peace is nowhere prophesied for the Middle East, until Jesus comes and brings it himself. The worse thing that the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations can do is force Israel to give up land for a peace that will never materialize this side of the second coming. Anyone who pushes for peace in such a manner is ignoring or defying God's plan for the end of the age.
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It seems clear that dispensationalism is on a roll, that its followers feel they are riding the wave of history into the shore of God's final plan. Why should they climb back into the stands when being on the field of play is so much more fun and apparently so beneficial to the game's outcome? As [one dispensationalist group's] advertisement read, "Don't just read about prophecy when you can be part of it."
ATHEIST WAR HAWKS MANIPULATE BELIEVERS TO BEAT THE DRUMS OF WAR
Leo Strauss is the father of the Neo-Conservative movement, including many leaders of the current administration.
Indeed, many of the main neocon players - including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Stephen Cambone, Elliot Abrams, and Adam Shulsky - were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years.
The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.) For example, Shulsky was the director of the Office of Special Plans - the Pentagon unit responsible for selling false intelligence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass. He is now a member of the equivalent organization targeting Iran: the Iranian Directorate.
Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Nazi philosophers and of Machiavelli. Strauss believed that a stable political order required an external threat and that if an external threat did not exist, one should be manufactured. Specifically, Strauss thought that:
A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat . . . . Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured
(the quote is by one of Strauss' main biographers).
Indeed, Stauss used the analogy of Gulliver's Travels to show what a Neocon-run society would look like:
"When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect." (this quote also from the same biographer)
Moreover, Strauss said:
Only a great fool would call the new political science diabolic . . . Nevertheless one may say of it that it fiddles while Rome burns. It is excused by two facts: it does not know that it fiddles, and it does not know that Rome burns.
So Strauss seems to have advocated governments letting terrorizing catastrophes happen on one's own soil to one's own people -- of "pissing" on one's own people, to use his Gulliver's travel analogy. And he advocates that government's should pretend that they did not know about such acts of mayhem: to intentionally "not know" that Rome is burning. He advocates messing with one's own people in order to save them from some "catastophe" (perhaps to justify military efforts to monopolize middle eastern oil to keep it away from our real threat -- an increasingly-powerful China?).
What does this have to do with religion?
Strauss taught that religion should be used as a way to manipulate people to achieve the aims of the leaders. But that the leaders themselves need not believe in religion.
As Wikipedia notes:
In the late 1990s Irving Kristol and other writers in neoconservative magazines began touting anti-Darwinist views, in support of intelligent design. Since these neoconservatives were largely of secular backgrounds, a few commentators have speculated that this – along with support for religion generally – may have been a case of a "noble lie", intended to protect public morality, or even tactical politics, to attract religious supporters.
So is it any surprise that the folks who planned war against Iraq and Iran at least 20 years ago are pushing religious disinformation to stir up the evangelical community?
Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war. And the Neocons are catering to them to try to back them into war with Iran, as well.
I've recently seen a swarm of spam claiming that all Muslims are evil, that they want to take over the world and establish a Muslim caliphate, and that they want to nuke Iran. They misquote Muslims and use false statements to try to stir up religious hatred.
They are simply promoting the Straussian playbook: stir up religious sentiment - even if you are personally an atheist - to create and demonize an "enemy", so as to promote war ...
NOT A PROBLEM WITH A PARTICULAR RELIGION ... BUT OF IMMATURITY
Most Americans confuse Zionism and Judaism. But many devout Jews are against Zionism, and Zionists can be Christian.
And as I've repeatedly noted, fundamentalist Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all very much alike, and often willing to use violence to spread their ideology ... while more spiritually mature Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all much more tolerant and peaceful than their evangelical brothers:
As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development. There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects – think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis – and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian groups (and peaceful and violent atheists).
While there are certainly some Arab terrorists, Islam cannot be blamed for their barbaric murderous actions, just as Christianity cannot be blamed for the Norwegian Christian terrorist - Anders Behring Breivik's actions. University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:
Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.
The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. So they were not really Muslims.
And even atheists like Stalin can be terrorists, or at least genocidal maniacs.
Indeed, all religions teach compassion, love and the Golden Rule. Likewise, atheism teaches respect for the individual, the most good for the most people, and helping everyone reach their human potential.
Some within each philosophy follow these teachings, and others want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. The issue is not really the label of this religion or that, but of maturity and true spirituality and compassion.
Postscript 1: Neoliberals and Neoconservatives are very similar in many ways. And because Neocons are not conservative, nothing in this post is meant to criticize conservatism.
Postscript 2: Most evangelicals are not dispensationalists, and so do not want to bring on armageddon.
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Yes. While at the same time he "forgets" to update us on Fukushima and inform us that it's more and more likely that temperature readings rose due to a faulty thermometer.
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/02/15/thermometers-a-hot-topic-a...
Ambassador- Your skill has improved a lot since the last time.
Funikoshi- Thank you.
You know, I think
General Fujita has become...
obsessed with conquering
all of Jing Wu Mun...
and eventually Shanghai.
It's become important to him...
as the first step of...
conquering all of China.
Ambassador- Is he serious?
That's impossible.
He must be crazy.
Funikoshi-I tell you,
that's what he's doing.
If you observe
his troop movements...
his plan becomes obvious.
Ambassador-There's just no way.
Japan is like an insect
whose objective...
is to destroy an elephant.
While the elephant is asleep,
The insect has the advantage.
But as soon
as the elephant wakes...
it has the strength
to eliminate the insect!
Funikoshi-And, yet again...
if the military
can take control of Shanghai...
it will weaken the elephant
in a big way.
Ambassador-But it is still impossible!
Funikoshi-Okay. Let's say the parable
is about a venomous insect...
and it can strike
the elephant's heart.
Before it wakes up,
it's already paralyzed.
Japan has such insects.
Just look at General Fujita.
There are far too many like him.
Ambassador-If that's true,
then a war will be unavoidable.
American Christians are completely misled for the most part. They wouldn't recognize Jesus if He was standing right before their very eyes.
walküre said:
He would not get the chance to stand before very many of their eyes. His words of peace and love would earn the "Terra-ist" label. He would quickly be rendered to Guantanamo without trial.
Such is life in New America, home of the land, free of the brave.
This is largely true, but maybe too broad a brush? I will say I am most impressed with Christians who actually practice their principles, particularly some of the anti-nuke, anti-SOA, and anti-war folks. These folks probably scare the Dickens out of .gov and the mercenary corporations, much more so than secular protestors. The idea that "God might not be on their side" is anathema to our current ruling warmongers, so religious folk who oppose radical extremists within their own religion are doing all of us a huge favor.
Thank you for defending the rational few, such as myself!
walküre,
They can say “We’re the Christian fundamentalist church; Go kill ‘em!” but they are NOT Christians. The fundamentalists would say, “Turn the other cheek.” These people are war mongers working for one of the most aggressive, Godless, criminal political states in history.
And one of their champions, GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum, says he is for a strong defense and wants parts of the budgets cut but not THAT part. Trouble is, his definition of defense is a missile strike on a sovereign nation which the last time I looked is offense, not defense.
And to think, that these “Christians” have a guy like that as their champion.
...the most pathetic and dangerous host claims to accept mercy but their image offers death.
define "host" and "image"
Yahweh Yahshua
The LOVE and MERCY and FORGIVNESS of our FATHER in CHRIST
Lord of Hosts
^
''host'' = ''flesh'' ^ ^ ''Image'' = ''spirit''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlJA-cN2C_0
Law of Mercy
RISEN LIFE REVELATION
WORD
>>>>>>>>>>Water>>>>>>/ LINE IN THE SAND <<<<<<<Baptism<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SILENCE
DEATH
FALLEN DARKNESS
Abortion Law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A790-gWdFYA
G R A V E N I M A G E OF THE B L A C K H O L E
N O T H I N G
Ah, the atheists are out!
Always surprising how much these guys love to slash and burn. Not an ounce of benevolence in the pack of 'em.
Fuck Jesus, Fuck Jehovah,
There that might start something . ( I think I got a mention in Revalation)
Christians; Cunts
God ; Cunt
Roll on the war lets get this thing done with
I red arrowed you.
use your own genitalia when you want to diss a dude, k?
oh, and enlist. put your body where your mind is.
The three forces at work here are Christianity, atheism and secular Judaism. Of the three, Christianity is the tolerant religion; and atheism and secular Judaism have become indistinguishable. And, as you can see demonstrated here today, highly intolerant.
And for those who would suggest it, the propagandized Christians who say they are evangelical or fundamentalist are neither. They are not Christians.
Of the three, Christianity is the tolerant religion; and atheism and secular Judaism have become indistinguishable. And, as you can see demonstrated here today, highly intolerant.
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No. Christianity is not a tolerant religion.
Nothing in its tenets inclines to tolerance.
Christianity is one religion that achieved domination.
If Christianity was a tolerant religion, the US of A would not have reached that monolothic blobing of 85 pc Christians, started from where the US started as a continent.
It is way too easy to claim tolerance when one religion has managed to convert all the unfaithful.
Christianity is the religion that can curb the others to its will in US citizens world.
That is not tolerance.
AnAnonymous said:
Made me laugh. The intolerant tenets of Christianity were imposed upon it by the Councils of Carthage and Nicea. Members of these councils were in reality Chinese citizens of Carthage and Nicea, thus demonstrating the eternal blobbing up nature of Chinese citizenism. This Chinese citizenism blobbing can be seen in the modern day enslavement of Tibet.
The intolerant monolithic blobbing of Chinese citizenism Christianism in the US of A started from where the Chinese citizenism invasion of the US as a continent started, which is the section of San Francisco known as Chinese citizenism town. This was shortened to be called Chinatown in an attempt to hide the eternal intolerant monolithic blobbing nature of Chinese citizenism.
Such is the way of Chinese citizenism, to scurry around like running dogs in their attempt to recreate history and hide their shameful involvement in imperialist expansionist blobbing. This inherent way of Chinese citizenism can be seen today in attempts to recreate the history of their invasion and enslavement of Tibet.
Made me laugh. Chinese citizenism Christianism is the religion that can curb the others to its will in Chinese citizenism citizens world.
No, that is the ugly butt scabbing eternal nature of imperialist running dog Chinese citizenism blobbing.
It is important to different b/t "religion" (a manmade construct) and a "personal faith", which is a relationship.
"Millions of evangelical Christians", believing the religion their slave masters.
GW
The bible is very clear - there will be a war with Iran(persia). Iran will lose.
It's not going to happen because I want to expedite Jesus's second coming, but because it's part of God's end time scenario.
Admittedly, I do look forward to the second coming of Christ - but we are all going to suffer greatly in the end times - and believe you me I don't want to suffer any more than the people of Iran or anywhere for that matter.
Just gonna happen.
recite ONE passage in the bible that is CLEAR.
Revelation - moronic rantings of a stoned goat shagger
Just a portion - because many don't like to see passages posted. Remember persia is Iran
There are other bible passages, but I won't post a lot - that detail the destruction of Iran.
Ezekiel
38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
In other words destroy them. You can read the rest yourself.
...everyone who rejects the mercy of our Father in Christ brings upon them their own destruction. The Nations offer no escape from judgment. If it were possible, all flesh would be destroyed, but, mercy is risen and defining the law of return, which is in agreement with our Father in Christ, the sustaing Lord of Hosts, the risen image and Holy Spirit of the Son of Man among the Saints laboring the Harvest.
There is no doubt, the time of sealing is now upon this generation. The coming events, in the next few years, shall confirm this. We still need to witness a few things come to pass and it is obvious that the setting for these stages is here and now. The speed at which things happen from here, in our modern reality, will come as a thief and sudden destruction to those that have not been watching and do not accept the prophetic revelation of our Father in Christ.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16500369
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38MQY-wNdk&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQyLBazcwn4&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL6D7022ADADB27DBE
Koperniuk666, short term gains define the market price and the parable in question. The principle of the laborer is not seperated from labor, not even at rest. What measures seperation is darkness, is it not?. How is it that you cannot see the revelation, as you are risen in agreement with the principle required to sustain you? Are you so invested and seperated from your brother that you are fallen in darkness at their expense, having imagined to escape the fact that you are his brother? Lol. Be risen in agreement my friend, don't try to labor in darkness while the Son of Man is risen, it's unbecoming.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16,%20Revelation%2013:8,%20John%201:29,%20Revelation%203:19&version=KJV
Is the Goat Shagger you refer to either Geo Wash or Khomeini?
I fear that Geo Wash has eaten his own shagged goat too many times.
Augustus asked:
I believe that koperniuk666 is referring to John of Patmos.
I guess I missed that; please cite chapter and verse, including as much information on timing as possible.
JR
Ezekiel chap 38 and chap 39 are fairly straight forward.
A chapter that is not so straight forward is Dan 8.
In Dan 8 - the angel Gabriel interprets the vision Daniel has and informs him that this vision is for the end of days i.e. end times.
It is a goat coming from the west across the whole earth without touching the ground (airplanes, drones?) and destroys the Ram that Gabriel tells Daniel is persia(Iran).
Dan 8 has in the past been interpreted as being Alexander the great, but careful reading tells us first this vision is for end of times. That this king is the very first king - not true of Alexander. I myself think it is the first permanent president of the EU - Van Rompuy.
The west is where the goat comes from - across the whole earth - possibly many nations along with the EU.
Many reasons I believe the EU is the notable horn.
Attack/military could be launched from Greece - since members of NATO are most likely involved.
But the most important point is this is a war with Iran in end times and Iran is destroyed and the Nation that attacks Iran is broken. EU Eurozone possible collapse? Since it's about ready to collapse anyway.
Timing - happening as we write. Massive buildup taking place land and sea and plenty of propaganda to prepare the masses for war.
I wrote this fast so hopefully I did answer your question if it was for me :)
In Dan 8 - the angel Gabriel interprets the vision Daniel has and . . . It is The Men Who Stare At Goats
Dan 8 has in the past been interpreted as being Oceans 11, but careful reading tells us first this vision is for Up In The Air
source it yourself: ClooneyTunes, CH. 38 and 39
I wrote this fast so hopefully I did answer your question if you wasn't just kidon :)
BTW - Besides the war with Iran - the jewish temple will be rebuilt.
When this happens, we are very close to the return of Jesus :)
enlist.
love, your god.
This view of Dispensationalists is skewed. As a holder of this view I can tell you that while we do believe the Bible presents a clear view of the future and that we believe we are possibly on the cusp of some remarkable events foretold by Biblical prophets, we do not think we can manipulate events in order to hasten the conclusion to the world we live in. That is clearly God's power to control and I know of no Dispensationalist who thinks he/she can do anything to affect it, even if that person is President of the US. Such a belief is patently absurd and flies in the face of the Biblical image of God that we adhere to.
I feel like I've fallen in the middle of a comment section on Huffington Post...this is fucking sad.... The fear of the unknown=The ageless boogey man
comment of the day +1
I feel like I've fallen in the middle of a comment section on Huffington Post...this is fucking sad.... The fear of the unknown=The ageless boogey man
This is a blog post I did a week or two ago on this topic. I am an evangelical, but I mourn how we have been lured away from the Bible to follow a blind patriotic zeal. Far too many of our American churches are more concerned with being American than they are with being Christian. Jesus told us to die trying to take a message of hope and forgiveness to our enemies, not try to kill them before they kill us. http://gospel2live.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/a-radical-strategy-to-defeat...
If you don't cap a neo-con in the head they just keep coming.
I come to Zerohedge to avoid retards....what the fuck is going on???
at least the ordinary people are getting access to this information
Not sure if an IQ test to access it would help our cause.....
GW,
Generally, you are correct in all or most of your points. I am a "Scripturalist"...the term Christian is so polluted by Talmudic and other influence that I dare not use the term...modern western Christianity is better described as "Churchianity" (coined by Michael Hoffman).
The truth is, if the Bible was accurately proclaimed, no non-believer would have a problem with it. But what the Bible (NT especially) and Christ actually taught is virtually unknown in the west. Christ taught "he who loves his life will lose it, he who looses his life will gain the whole world...do not evil (kill) that good may result...feed your enemy...love your enemy...clothe your enemy...if your enemy steals your cloak give him your tunic..." it goes on an on.
Scripture teaches a duality or hybrid life lived by the true believer. We are only and solely visitors and caretakers here. We are to teach salvation by faith in the risesn Christ, and the only sign of our salvation is love. There is no more water babtism because water cleansing was solely a Hebraic tradition. Not one gentile is ever water baptized in Scripture. We are only spiritually baptized in Christ and in the Spirit, we are baptized into Christ's death and spiritually rise with Christ in his resurrection.
The entire physical nature of the Mosaic/Levitical Law died in 70AD when God destroyed the temple (through Nero and the Roman army). This is the end of days, not the end of time. So this death-glorifying so-called future return of Christ is pure mythology. Christ returned in 70AD ("in the clouds", which always means in judgement). His return was a spiritual return in the type of Joshua, judging the Hebrews who would not repent.
We (believers) already have a "new Jerusalem not built by hands". Physical Israel in the OT was only a type/shadow of the real, which is already fulfilled in Christ. Modern "Israel" in the ME is an imposter, not the fulfillment of the OT.
Ask this simple question of any so-called modern western believer: "Is modern physical Israel in the ME a fulfillment of the OT?" If they say "yes", they spit on Scripture, defy Christ, call Christ a liar, and instead are best defined as "Zionists", believers in a physical Zion rather than the spiritual Zion which is within me, not out there.
Most professionals will never forthrightly answer the above question about modern physical Israel. If one says "yes", you know that everything about their being aligns with this, that they will blow up and kill everyone (including Jews) who stand in the way of physical Israel. In effect, such persons are truly Talmudists. If they say "no", they risk personal and financial destruction by hand of the Rabbis who rule this earth. Indeed, I emailed the coward John Zenakis of Generational Dyamics this very question. For a man with a university degree, he emailed about the stupidest reply I've ever read: "They think so." Gee! Really? That's something that never occurred to me! I stated the truth of his position on his forum and he banned me. He lies and states he is neutral on Zionism and Israel. He is not. He either is a Talmudist masquerading as a neutral non-Talmudist, or he cow-tows to the Rabbis. Does not matter, same effect. He either is a Rabbi sycophant or Rabbi-enabler, same thing.
There is no more Lord's Supper because Christ said "do this in remembrance of me till I come again". He already came. There is no more coming. It's all over. All Scripture prophecy is already fulfilled. There is no there there. The only sign of a true believer is love and forgiveness, and self-sacrifice, following Christ and Peter and Paul.
The first public influence to brain wash believers that modern physical Israel is the fulfillment of the OT is the Scofield Reference Bible, published by Oxford Press in London, the first Bible with notes directing readers what to believe. The story (lie) goes that Scofield wrote the notes. The truth is Scofield was a liar and criminal and cheat. He deserted his family. He was unpublished. Oxford never (or almost never) first-published any author. They published authors with earlier works published. Why would they publish Scofield? Because the ruling party on Oxford's Board of Directors at the time were followers of Talmudic Rabbinism, promoting Zionism. The Rabbis had already taken over Roman Catholism. Zionists promote the idea that RC hates the, but they do lie and make up enemies all the time, and this lie is no different. The Pope years ago gave the Rabbis their best gift ever, being the written right to publish the Talmud. Also, the RC church recently declared that anyone who states the Hebrews (Jews) killed Christ, goes to hell (this denies the Bible, which states clearly the Hebrews killed Christ).
The truth of modern physical Israel is best addressed by John in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.
BTW, check the Oxford Dictionary for the first time the word "Jew" appeared in print, which was 1775 AD. Jesus was indeed not a "Jew" because the word did not exist till almost 1800 years later. Zionists state this is only Semantics, both words identify the same people. But they lie. Modern Judaism (not in Scripture BTW) is based on the Talmud, which was not written by the descendants of the Rabbis who murdered Christ till the 4th CAD.
The Talmud identifies Jesus as "Pantera" (named after Jesus' Roman guard father who paid for sex with the alleged whore Mary), and that for Jesus' lie (claiming to be God) Jesus boils in excrement for eternity.
These (Talmudists/Jews/Rabbis) are the same people stupid Goyim Zionist Christians send money to so that Jews can move from far points of the globe back to Zion/Israel!
The past head of the Southern Baptist Convention said, of his fellow "Christians" living in Palestine, who stood in the way of Zionists in Israel who stole their land, "It's god's way or the highway"...meaning his fellow alleged believers must die if necessary if they stand in the way of his Rabbinical gods.
A Baptist Church I attended printed in every Sunday bulletin the OT vs about physical OT Israel: "I will bless those who bless thee, I will curse those who curse thee." IOW: I'm going to hell because I don't support physical Israel in the ME!
In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm
also, Jew was used before 1775
On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543 by Martin Luther (1483-1546)http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm
Not one gentile is ever water baptized in Scripture.
Was the Ethiopian eunuch a Jew?
36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. (Acts 8:36-40 NIV)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8%3A26-40&version=NIV
Was the Ethiopian eunuch a Jew?
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Why not? Neither Judaism or Christianity forbids emasculation. Islam does.
And Ethiopians could be Jews.
The Ethiopian eunuch was probably a "righteous Gentile," seeing as he was reading the scripture of Isaiah. His being a eunuch was unfortunate because as such he could never enter the temple of God according to the Torah (the implications of this are pretty interesting! There is a good sermon in there somewhere...), which if it isn't a forbiddance of emasculation, it is pretty close. Jews were definitely not in the habit of making eunuchs.
Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
In any event, this is clearly a command to baptize Gentiles (the "nations," or "goyim").
Funny thing about this 'Hagee' character, not only is he some kind of UBER Zionist fascist deluxe,
but he's also stated that THE MESSIAH HAS NOT COME YET...and 'we' , being the majority of
ACTUAL Christians in the world, do not think he meant Jesus, altho he can deny that,
which would mean some kind of counterfiet christ most likely proclaiming itself
King of Israhell, which sounds remarkebly like THEE ANTICHRIST.
Thank you , GW, for reminding the christians among Zerohedge readership that
the mandates of Christianity and Racist materialist Zionism are totally incompatible.
We shall see what we shall see.
yep, zionism has infected main stream churches with a false doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, 7 years of tribulation, then Jesus will return to reign on earth for 1000 years, but this can't happen until the temple of Solomon is rebuilt in Jerusalem and the jews will serve in this 1000 year rule as priests and re-establish sacrificing animals like in the old testament.
Also, most churches believe that the State of Israel is of God and that the zionists are God's chosen people.
pre tribulation rapture is a false doctrine, tribulation is not being understood by many of the earliest prophets. We are in the great tribulation now..it will get much worse as soon as the first terrorist nuke takes out a city. The 1000 year reign will follow the rise of the antichrist, all of that is in the book of revelations. It is not false doctrine, it is coming true as we speak. However, the law does not change, and the bible specifically condemns those that 'seek the coming of the day of the Lord, for it is a day of wrath'.
The greatest gift you can give someone is time..time to understand themselves and come to their senses.
thanks for your post, yeah, it took me alot of studying, prayer and searching with trial and error to come to the true teachings and doctrines. Corrie Ten Boom is stated as hating the pre-trib false teaching as you can see fellow Christians being tortured and executed daily in other countries, particularly China and many middle eastern countries.
An excellent book I found in my research cleared up the book of Revelation for me.
More Than Conquerors: An Interpretation of the Book of Revelation [Paperback]http://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Conquerors-Interpretation-Revelation/dp/0801057922/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329594467&sr=1-1
The piece about Christians being persecuted in the world is very important. It's craziness, born of the pride and love of creature comforts that has so afflicted the prosperous western Church (look at the prosperity gospel), that has lead us to suppose that we would never fac epersecution, that God would snatch us away.Jesus never taught this. He taught us to expect persecution.
rAMEN.