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No One Is Buying Iranian Terror Allegations

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Iran Terror Plot: No Evidence

The day before Attorney General was subpoenaed about what he knew about the Department of Justice and Drug Enforcement Agency's "Fast and Furious" operation to get weapons to Mexico's largest drug cartel, the U.S. government announced that the Iranians planned to kill a Saudi ambassador on U.S. soil.

And they said - you guessed it - that it was DOJ and DEA who broke up the plot.

But no one is buying it ... not even the pro-war mainstream media.

The New York Times notes in a post entitled "U.S. Challenged to Explain Accusations of Iran Plot in the Face of Skepticism":

The Obama administration on Wednesday sought to reconcile what it said was solid evidence of an Iranian plot to murder Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States with a wave of puzzlement and skepticism from some foreign leaders and outside experts.

Senior American officials themselves were struggling to explain why the Quds Force, an elite international operations unit within Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, would orchestrate such a risky attack in so amateurish a manner.

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American officials offered no specific evidence linking the plot to Iran’s most senior leaders.

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Mr. Zarate and senior American officials said the assassination plan did not have the hallmarks of a Quds operation. “It was very extreme and very odd, but it was also very sloppy,” Mr. Zarate said. “If you look at what they have done historically, they can put operatives on their targets and execute. They usually don’t outsource, but keep things inside a trusted network.”

One problem for President Obama and his administration is that since American intelligence claims about Iraq’s illicit weapons proved false in 2003, assertions by the United States about its adversaries have routinely faced skepticism from other countries.

“Of course, that is in people’s heads. Everyone is extremely skeptical about U.S. intelligence revelations,” said Volker Perthes, an Iran expert who is the director of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs in Berlin.

CNN notes the growing skepticism about the allegations.

Retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer says that an FBI insider told him the dubious terror plot to assassinate a Saudi ambassador which has been blamed on Iran was likely manufactured by the Obama administration, because no information about the plot even exists within FBI channels:


Glenn Greenwald writes:

The most difficult challenge in writing about the Iranian Terror Plot unveiled yesterday is to take it seriously enough to analyze it.

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For brazen irony, how can this be beat?

Tom Kean, former chairman of the 9/11 Commission said the alleged plot “surprises me.” Speaking to CNN’s Erin Burnett, Kean said the plot is “pretty close to an act of war. You don’t go in somebody’s capital to blow somebody up.

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So facially absurd are the claims here — why would Iran possibly wake up one day and decide that it wanted to engage in a Terrorist attack on U.S. soil when it could much more easily kill Saudi officials elsewhere? and if Iran and its Quds Force are really behind this inept, hapless, laughable plot, then nothing negates the claim that Iran is some Grave Threat like this does — that there is more skepticism expressed even in establishment media accounts than one normally finds about such things. Even the NYT noted — with great understatement — that the allegations “provoked puzzlement from specialists on Iran, who said it seemed unlikely that the government would back a brazen murder and bombing plan on American soil.” The Post noted that “the very rashness of the alleged assassination plot raised doubts about whether Iran’s normally cautious ruling clerics supported or even know about it.” The Atlantic‘s Max Fisher has more on why this would be so out of character for Iran.

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The Christian Science Monitor details the many reasons why “Iran specialists who have followed the Islamic Republic for years say that many details in the alleged plot just don’t add up.”

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After 24 hours of media hysteria — there’s this Reuters article, which — under the headline “Officials concede gaps in U.S. knowledge of Iran plot” — reports:

Iran’s supreme leader and the shadowy Quds Force covert operations unit were likely aware of an alleged plot to kill Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States, but hard evidence of that is scant, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

The United States does not have solid information about “exactly how high it goes,” one official said. . . .The U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said their confidence that at least some Iranian leaders were aware of the alleged plot was based largely on analyses and their understanding of how the Quds Force operates.

Greenwald notes in a separate post:

Here is a profile of the Lex Luthor super-villain behind the dastardly Iranian Plot, compiled based on interviews with those who have long known him. He’s described variously as a “scatterbrained, hapless businessman,” “absentminded and shifty.” “a joke” who “was pretty disorganized, always losing things like keys, titles, probably a thousand cellphones,” who “never spoke ill of the United States” and who wasn’t remotely religious — in other words, the pefect target for the FBI to transform into an “operative” by waving money and glory in front of his face, and exactly the kind of person the actual Quds Force would never use for a real plot.

Steve Watson notes that the suspect is a semi-retarded sex-crazed druggie:

Local media in Austin and San Antonio spoke to several of Arbabsiar’s acquaintances in Round Rock and Corpus Christi, who described him in most unflattering terms, saying that they doubt Arbabsiar could have had any meaningful involvement in the supposed international ploy.

“He used to drink, smoke pot, go with the prostitutes,” Tom Hosseini, an Iranian who has known Arbabsiar since college, told reporters, adding “His first wife left him because he would lose his keys every other day. This guy is not a mastermind.”

Hosseini also told reporters that in college Arbabsiar earned the nickname ‘”Jack” for his affinity for whisky, confirming that he wasn’t in any way religious and that “he couldn’t even pray, doesn’t know how to fast.”

Describing Arbabsiar as rude, offensive and unfriendly, others noted that he was a “floundering” businessman who at various points had tried his hand in running a restaurant, a convenience store and a used car lot.

“He was pretty disorganised, always losing things like keys, titles, probably a thousand cell phones,” David Tomscha, who ran the small used-car yard with him, said. “He wasn’t meticulous with taking care of things.”

“He never spoke ill of the United States,” Mr Tomscha added. “I always thought he liked it here, because he could make money. He loved to make money.”

Arbabsiar, who has a history of run ins with the law and minor criminal offences, was described in other accounts as having a preoccupation with traveling to Iran in order to procure the services of cheap Persian prostitutes.

Another local acquaintance, Mitch Hamueen, scoffed at the DOJ suggestion that “Chevrolet” was a code word for the alleged terror operation.

“He probably wasn’t talking in code, he was probably talking about an actual Chevrolet,” he said.

“He’s the fall guy,” Hamueen said. “They’re looking for a fall guy.”

Reporters also spoke with Arbabsiar’s apparently estranged wife who told them “I know that his innocence is going to come out.”

The Obama administration contends that Arbabsiar tried to hire assassins from a Mexican drug gang to carry out the murder of ambassador Adel al-Jubeir during a visit to the United States.

However, the head of the drug gang turned out to be a DEA agent posing as a Mexican Los Zetas gangster. The story has all the hallmarks of classic FBI entrapment tactics that have characterized almost every major terror bust in recent times.

Indeed, a study published this year by the New York University School of Law found that the threat of homegrown terror in America has been “manufactured” by entrapping Muslim men into crimes they otherwise would not commit. And see this.

And Pepe Esobar writes:

As for the Washington mantra that "Iran has been insinuating itself into many of the struggles in the Middle East", that's undiluted Saudi propaganda. In fact it's the House of Saud who's been conducting the fierce counter-revolution that has smashed any possibility of an Arab Spring in the Persian Gulf - from the invasion and repression of Bahrain to the rash pre-emption of protests inside Saudi Arabia's Shia-dominated eastern provinces.

The whole thing smells like a flimsy pretext for a casus belli. The timing of the announcement couldn't be more suspicious. White House national security advisor Thomas E. Donilon briefed King Abdullah of the plot no less than two weeks ago, in a three-hour meeting in Riyadh. Meanwhile the US government has been carrying not plots, but targeted assassinations of US citizens, as in the Anwar al-Awlaki case.

So why now? Holder is caught in yet another scandal - on whether he told lies regarding Operation Fast and Furious (no, you can't make this stuff up), a federal gun sting through which scores of US weapons ended up in the hands of - here they come again - Mexican drug cartels.

So how to bury Fast and Furious, the economic abyss, the 10 years of war in Afghanistan, the increasing allure of Occupy Wall Street - not to mention the Saudi role in smashing the spirit of the Arab Spring? By uncovering a good ol' al-Qaeda style plot on US soil, on top of it conducted by "evil" Iran. Al-Qaeda and Tehran sharing top billing; not even Cheney and Rumsfeld in their heyday could come up with something like this. Long live GWOT (the global war on terror). And long live the neo-con spirit ....

Escobar says that the government keeps changing its story about the plot:


Framing Iran ... And Using Terrorism to Attack It

Of course, the decision to go to war against Iran (like most of our current policy) was made before 9/11 (and see this).

The Brookings Institution wrote in 2009:

It would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be.

Indeed, the U.S. has used fake intelligence to attempt to frame Iran.

And it is well-documented that the U.S. has repeatedly used terrorism against Iran:

  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president
  • The New York Times, Washington Post, Raw Story and others are reporting that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran.
  • Congressman Ron Paul told Congress: “I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin- type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran”
 

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:56 | 1772303 JOYFUL
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If a mushroom cloud rises over T/A it will be because the cabbalist nutbars have realized that their stupid tricks department have finally run out of stuff that works to get Mr. Moron USA taxpayer to hand them the vast sums of $ needed for them to practice uhmm, "regional hegemony" ...

being the narcissistic drama queens they are, instead of just quietly ending it all, they will insist on taking as many others as possible with them! btw...you're not Eric Holder are you? Your words have the same froth of coherency on top of a double latte of complete dementia and projectile paranoia! Shouldn't you be briefing Barry in an underground continuity-of-government bunker right now?!?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:27 | 1772239 Joseph Jones
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Promises, promises...we should be so lucky (your mushroom cloud story).

 

Yes, this makes perfect sense: In the same breath yesterday on NPR Richard Clarke says the Quds Force is among the smartest intelligence groups on earth....and now they make a deal with a Mexican drug cartel to blow up and kill at least several dozen Americans in Wash DC.

 

Oh, and Obunghole waited a few weeks to tell us about this why?  (Eric Holder supbeona has nothing to do with it I suppose.)

 

Tiresome?  I'll give you tiresome. 

 

 

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:02 | 1773018 Bob
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Obama has remarkably good luck in timing. 

After all those years unable to locate OBL, when Trump had Obama under pressure serious enough to move Barry to release a copy of his birth certificate--abject public self-abasement to satisfy people who could not ever be satisfied--he suddenly was able to find OBL and execute him . . . and to pre-empt the season opener of The Donald's Apprentice mid-show to bring the glorious news to the nation. 

That was a campaign-ending bitch slap on Trump, imo.  What a coincidence.  Barry is a bizarrely lucky kinda guy. 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:53 | 1772152 Ckierst1
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If a mushroom cloud is raised over Tel Aviv, it will be because the Isrealis mishandled their nukes, doing a Fukushima on themselves.  The Iranians don't have a nuke.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:48 | 1772142 alien-IQ
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if a "mushroom cloud" does emerge above Tel Aviv...it will be because they blew up their own nuke since they are the only middle east country with a nuclear arsenal. Despite their denials.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 08:24 | 1772899 11b40
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Well, I don't know where you place Pakistan - East, Middle East, whatever.....it's a radical Muslim country, already proven to export the bomb to enemies of the West.  One thing for sure...when a mushroom cloud suddenly rises, wherever it may be, there won't be any fingerprints on it.  There won't even be any fingers.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:00 | 1772168 Thurifer
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Today, yes. Six months from now? A year? Tell me, what possible reason would the Iranians NOT have for developing the Bomb? It is in their interests to do so...politically, domestically, internationally, eschatologically. Whether or not a Western power decides to make political hay out of the fact, it does not change the fact that the Iranians are developing the bomb.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 07:05 | 1772719 Element
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When one is facing an aggressive fascist opponent in combat you tend to develope da bombe.

It's called 'deterence'. It's the same role that germ warfare played during WWII, to make sure no one dared to go too far.

It's what the USSA has been doing for the last 70 years.

It's why the USSA dares not to actually invade Pakistan, or Russia, or China, or India, or North Korea.  It would be suicidal and invite a nuclear counterattack.

Now do you see why the Iranians want a bomb?

Now do you see why the Israelis built it?

Yes, I fully expect the Iranians are making a bomb.

They would be absolutely out of their minds, not to, given recent events and brazen US/NATO and Israeli threats.

There it is ... plain TRUTH

A strategic attack can be and indeed should be and must be met with a strategic weapon, in order to deter it. The USSA wants a pure monopoly on effective deterence, so that it can bomb an invade whomever it pleases.

That's what the White Hut crap is all about.

Can you handle the fact that EVERY COUNTRY has the sovereign right to use ANY MEANS necessary and ANY WEAPON NECESSARY to defend itself from an armed strategic attack and conquest?

 

I bet you can't.

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The Legal Use of Force in International law

The Charter of the United Nations is one of the world's most important treaties. Ratification of the Charter is a prerequisite to membership of the United Nations. The Charter sets out the obligations of members and, amongst other matters, establishes the Security Council.

Article 2(4) of the Charter states:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

Essentially, this eliminates the concept of a 'just war'. The use of force, or the threat of it, by a state is no longer a legitimate means of dealing with a dispute with another state.

However, Article 2(4) does not prevent a country from defending itself in response to acts of aggression. Article 51 states:

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Alternatively, force may be used by a state or coalition of states in order to 'maintain peace and security' if this is specifically authorised by the Security Council under Article 42 of the Charter. Article 42 was used, for example, to authorise the military response by the United States and its allies against Iraq to drive it out of Kuwait in the so-called 'gulf-war' of 1990-91. More recently, force has been used without express Article 42 authorisation in so-called 'humanitarian intervention', where NATO conducted sustained airstrikes against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia during 1999 in reaction to the civil conflict in Kosovo and the widespread killing of Kosovo Albanians.(42)

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/cib/2001-02/02cib08.htm

 

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Main article: Self-defence in international law

Article 51:

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of collective or individual self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by members in exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Thus there is still a right of self-defence under customary international law, as the International Court of Justice (ICJ) affirmed in the Nicaragua Case on the use of force. Some commentators believe that the effect of Article 51 is only to preserve this right when an armed attack occurs, and that other acts of self-defence are banned by article 2(4). The more widely held opinion is that article 51 acknowledges this general right, and proceeds to lay down procedures for the specific situation when an armed attack does occur. Under the latter interpretation, the legitimate use of self-defence in situations when an armed attack has not actually occurred is still permitted. It is also to be noted that not every act of violence will constitute an armed attack. The ICJ has tried to clarify, in the Nicaragua case, what level of force is necessary to qualify as an armed attack.

The traditional customary rules on self-defence derive from an early diplomatic incident between the United States and the United Kingdom over the killing on some US citizens engaged in an attack on Canada, then a British colony. The so-called Caroline case established that there had to exist "a necessity of self-defence, instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment of deliberation,' and furthermore that any action taken must be proportional, "since the act justified by the necessity of self-defence, must be limited by that necessity, and kept clearly within it." These statements by the US Secretary of State to the British authorities are accepted as an accurate description of the customary right of self-defence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_by_states

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 03:12 | 1772619 Kiwi Pete
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Thurifer are you a real person or a CIA/NSA disinfo plant?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:46 | 1772432 FeralSerf
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Iran needs the bomb to prevent the Israelis and Americans from using the bomb on them.  Nothing else will work as an effective deterrent.  Once they have one, they wouldn't be able to use it.   It would be suicide for them to use it.  It would also be suicide for the Israelis or NATO to use one on them then.

The Iranians should buy nukes from Pakistan or PRNK if they haven't already for this very reason, i.e. to prevent a holocaust.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:20 | 1772215 alien-IQ
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Yeah...let's go with that "pre-crime" thing. It looked so cool in "Minority Report". Especially the part with Tom Cruise swishing around that big translucent computer monitor.

But who will play the three precogs? Bibi, Hilary and Abe Foxman?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:29 | 1772098 Problem Is
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Obama Bin Lyin' and Eric "Empty  Suit" Holder
A team of idiots for the ages...

Agreed GW... Nobody's buying it...

Bullshit Barry: Get your shit packed... we want you OUT of the White House by midnight Jan. 19, 2013...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:08 | 1772058 JohnG
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Good.

 

It's bullshit.  A half asssed false flag.

Shitheads can't even get that right.

 

Ordering more beans and seeds.

 

Shit I'm in a pissy mood.  Doomer in me.

 

Tell me I'm wrong.  That these fucks can hold it together.  Please.

 

No?  Shit.

 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:49 | 1772143 dalkrin
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Go have a drink, you will feel better. 

The MSM really slipped up on this one, usually their manipulation of the public psyche is much more subtle and professional. 

Tomorrow I am going shopping myself for some chili, canned salmon, and other edible goods, which I will purchase with only the finest FRN's printed by our innocuous government. 

Get your supplies together, including firepower, PM's, and all other contingencies.  Next step:  bunker down, and enjoy the real life drama we shall witness in due time.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:31 | 1773824 DaveyJones
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My garden and my homebrew. One thing I have noticed in the last year, you can say just about any doomsday scenario and most folks do not look at you like you're crazy anymore. Not sure that's a good sign 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:31 | 1772247 Joseph Jones
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Yes, I'm afraid the god-forsaken Rabbis running this planet will only be happy after they blow the entire world up. 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:21 | 1771978 Yes We Can. But...
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This Arboobsiar cat sounds about like Oswald.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:34 | 1771875 New American Re...
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Sometimes the truth is obvious, sometimes mundane, sometimes utterly fantastic; but the truth is still the truth, and one word of it outweighs the world.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:28 | 1771866 Zer0henge
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Western elites continue to downplay the threat of radical Islam and continue to seek “peaceful coexistence,” suggesting approaches that will avoid military conflict. The suggestion is that dialogue, diplomacy and tolerance will somehow disarm radical Islamism.

Perhaps it might be worth recalling the words of the young Don Juan, who, in the final moments before the battle started on that fateful October 7th, was counseled that there was still time to avoid a full battle. As Christopher Check recounts:

“Gentlemen,” he said, looking around at his military commanders, “the time for counsel has passed. Now is the time for war.”

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:27 | 1773803 DaveyJones
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I always looks to Don Juan for international policy advice. Like all of your other concepts, he's fiction

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:24 | 1773793 mess nonster
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Jeesh, youre a fucking moronic tool...

If you said you believed in the tooth fairy annd Santa Claus, i'd give you a pass, but radical islam?

Radical Zionism is more like it.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 06:21 | 1772695 Element
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and continue to seek “peaceful coexistence,” suggesting approaches that will avoid military conflict.

 

Which is a remarkably similar sentiment to what the head of US Strategic Air Command told the then US Sec of Defense, immediately after the Cuban Missile Crisis ended.

In other words, if a wetched warmongering fuckwit like you had your way, modern humanity would already be long-gone, and the remnants would be eating grubs and assorted small rodents ... rather than eating steak with a ceasar salad, with strawberries and icecream, in an aircon room, while watching hot Russian babes on the utube.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:33 | 1772252 Joseph Jones
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Please leave now to resume posting at your favorite local Zionist Christian forum.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:35 | 1772108 tmosley
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Hurp derp, let's make up nonsense plots and accuse anyone who sees them as such of Islamic appeasement.

Hurp derp.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:00 | 1773271 DOT
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Jolly Roger that.

Yugo is broken.

Start up Nova.

I am a muslim extremist that hates America.

Raincoat flower.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:32 | 1771946 Zer0head
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Zer0: dialogue, diplomacy and tolerance are indeed a fools game whether it be  Islamists, Bolsheviks, Blackshirts, National Socialists or any other ideologically driven group that is opposed to peaceful coexistence.  

However time, special ops  and a few squadrons of  MQ-1's  appear to be the remedy du jour, of course if an Islamist were penning this response they might well include neo colonialists  who support all manner of aggression to further their own ideology.  Then there are the eco extremists (greenists) who would have us all living in the dark ages and who murder the innocent to plant a fucking tree so that they can sell a carbon credit. In the context of this fine blog bankster might well be listed in the above as they, with pathological enthusiasm destroy all in their path. Then there are the Corporatists who corrupt entire societies and  murder countries for the sake of the bottom line.

Wander down main street USA where the average overweight lump gets their knowledge of the world from Nancy Grace and Wolf Blitzer; the Iranians are evil incarnate according the MSM so it must be true, just like the Iraqi's had WMD (Wolf told us so) as America sat by the TV eating pop-corn watching Shock and Awe 2, directed by Colin Powell with executive producers Rummy and Dick as the good ol' boys chanted "turn it to glass".

But you are correct we have been down the tarmac with Neville and we all know how that worked out.

http://archives.cbc.ca/politics/international_politics/clips/7057/&ref=spe

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:57 | 1772162 disabledvet
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A simple "ack" would have sufficed.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:48 | 1772449 I Got Worms
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Or a "thbbft."

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:18 | 1771845 bigdumbnugly
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i'm afraid it's true.  it's all true.

they're saying he's the same guy that stole over 250,000 shovel ready jobs as well.

let's get him!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:35 | 1772257 earnyermoney
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The use of Chevrolet as code word really drove Obama over the edge. How dare an Iranian link GM with a terror plot.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:08 | 1772503 knukles
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Counter-sign:  "Volt"

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:22 | 1771856 George Washington
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Yes, those prostitute-lovin', hard-drinkin', pot-head used car salesmen are the real dangerous type!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:36 | 1772258 Joseph Jones
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Yes, he was quite the MBA administrator on this little operation, was he not?

GW, love your work.  Blessings to you and yours! 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:40 | 1771895 bigdumbnugly
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exactly.

and no one called my dad dangerous.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:00 | 1772169 disabledvet
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You might be big and ugly but you ain't dumb!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 08:59 | 1772991 bigdumbnugly
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au contraire mon ami

i bought one of those brand new shovels.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1771832 psychobilly
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No One Is Buying Iranian Terror Allegations

Queue the hasbarat trolls and Glenn Beck's idiot followers.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:35 | 1771720 Zer0henge
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When you people start defending Iran that's the moment Zero Hedge becomes just plain zero.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:45 | 1772285 Joseph Jones
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ZerOhenge,

Get lost.  Zionist zealots like you who support Israel and all general neo-con lust lists are the primary risk of nuclear holocaust.

This is very simple: Islam simply wants the USA to stop inflicting its will on Islam.  Islam's war against the USA is because of what the USA does to Islamic people in Islam's backyard, not because Islam hates democracy or any of that other BS pushed by neocons like you.  

If Islam was left to its own devices against Israel, without having to worrry about the USA backing Israal's 6 no matter what Israel does...then Israel would learn to live in some semblance of peace with its neighbors.  But because we back Israel all the time, they feel free to push it to limit and beyond.  

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 09:11 | 1773042 HellFish
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How can you be so blind?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 08:04 | 1772856 earnulf
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General Islam (no pun intended) is like General Christianity, people want to worship and be left alone.   However Radical Islam and Evangelical Christians want everyone to worship as they do or else.    It's the extremist wings that are driving the problems because each one thinks it's "special".    

Speaking from a Christian Background, we are urged to "turn the other cheek".    Extremists however want "and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" and they'll go back as far as necessary to get enough talleys to prove the need to attack someone else.

Isreal won't be at peace, because the extremists on both sides want blood for "all past transgressions".    Isreal just agreed to trade prisonsers at a 1000 to 1 ratio and the militants in Gaza refused to rule out future "abductions" which they termed, Military Operations against the Zionist State.

Isreal is a tool of the extremists, just like Iran is.    If people would follow the Golden Rule instead of the Rule of Gold the world would be a much more peaceful place.    Ambition is a bitch

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:49 | 1772144 alien-IQ
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we won't miss you.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:58 | 1772131 Money 4 Nothing
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It's not that they are defending Iran, we are trying to port end a war that you really DO NOT want to be involved in, USSR and China have Irans back. And that my friend is game over.

More over, search this: 7 countries in 5 years, it's a deal that even Gen. Westly Clark wouldn't even sign on to. He ended up retiring once that Agenda was kicked to him.

Further more, Iran runs OPEC, in order to further de Industrialize the USA they would Looove to see oil at $130.00 + a barrel so what better way to do it would be to poke a badger with a sharp stick. Search what our Department of Energy czar said what he wants the price of gas to become.

Saudi's lock step to Americas Agendas. Guess who get's their oil buissness back?

If this does come to pass, Isreal will lead the first strike, Turkey will be a free fly zone and all Hell will break loose. Their plan is to get this in before winter.

Not here, not now, we are already fighting 5 fronts and do not need Global Caliafate. This is prior Military talking and I have been watching this build into a crescendo as of late. Picture that, prior service honorably discharged bashing war.. Should tell you something.

 

And one more thing, they are talking about war and I hope to God at the Generals briefing it will be turned down, unfortunatly, the Neo Cons have the spin and will put full weight behind these new contrived allegations. 

 

III

 

  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:02 | 1772479 bigkahuna
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I agree with you. Anyone who thinks war is just some word needs to at least go see the people who come back from war. Heck, anyone who supports these endless bs conflicts needs to go over for a round or three. 

The tactics they are using to get US forces into these conflicts are nothing short of high intensity soviet style propaganda. It looks like we learned a lot from the old USSR.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:31 | 1772102 tmosley
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Are you retarded?  Pointing out the clear as day fact that this "plot" was a half hearted false flag by a floundering and utterly inept administration has nothing to do with how "evil" the big smelly brown people are.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 02:38 | 1772590 StychoKiller
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[quote]

One problem for President Obama and his administration is that since American intelligence claims about Iraq’s illicit weapons proved false in 2003, assertions by the United States about its adversaries have routinely faced skepticism from other countries.[quote]

It's NOT just other Countries that have difficulty believing the US Govt -- I don't think you believe it either!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:01 | 1772319 Manthong
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I believe in the Iranian plot no more than I believe the son of a Kenyan British Colonial Subject is a natural born US citizen or that Osama is swimming with the fishies.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 07:45 | 1772824 BigJim
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I don't think anyone is suggesting Osama is swimming with the fishes.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 09:30 | 1773139 JOYFUL
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HEY, if they can kill him three times, they sure as hell be able to give him a set of gills to get along with down there till next time needed!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:20 | 1773763 DaveyJones
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touche

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