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Nuclear Expert: Radioactive Rain-Outs Will Continue For a Year - Even In Western U.S. and Canada
Nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen says in a new interview that the Japanese are burning radioactive materials. The radioactivity originated from Fukushima, but various prefectures are burning radioactive materials in their terroritories.
Gundersen says that this radioactivity ends up not only in neighboring prefectures, but in Hawaii, British Columbia, Oregon, Washington and California.
He notes that radioactive rain-outs were documented recently in British Columbia and Oklahoma with geiger counters.
Gundersen is working with scientists who will publish a paper soon definitively debunking the Canadian and American health officials claims that only harmless levels of radiation are being released.
Gundersen has a high-level contact in the State Department who says that the U.S. government has decided - within various agencies, including the State Department, FDA, and other agencies - to downplay the dangers from Fukushima. Because of this policy decision, the government is not really testing for radiation.
Gundersen says that well see another year of radioactive rain-outs, as the Japanese continue to burn radioactive materials.
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http://enenews.com/very-serious-and-alarming-development-workers-say-gro...
The EPA's own data show beta levels skyrocketing in cities impacted by the jet stream, particularly when coupled with precipitation
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nuclear-radiation-monitoring-every-us-city-single-page-16511/
The EPA regards 30-60 beta CPM as "normal" background, although many cities in the US have 0 beta CPM
We have had cities recently as high as 700 CPM for beta. THESE ARE THE EPA'S GUIDELINES FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS EPA SAYS 3X BACKGROUND (consult with health physicist) OR 300 CPM (definite action level) FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTECTIVE ACTION (E.G, PROTECTIVE GEAR) http://www.rrt5.org/acp/docs/App6_AirMonitoringGuidelines.pdf WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP AND DEMAND ACTION!Thanks GW.
Most people if asked think this 'Fukishima thing" has been resolved/corrected - that it's over.
Grateful that you still report.
Nuclear is hell incarnated.
That's why all those fucking judeo-christian doomists we call "elites" are all so keen about it. They're obsessed with domination, destruction and slavery.
Fuck growth, GDP and all this shit if nuclear hell is the price we have to pay ; the economy can be re-adapted to new situations & policies, the Earth can not.
So priority to Earth. A 6 years-old can comprehend that. We do not have sufficient maturity (ie-a post scarcity economic system and horizontal policy-making) to fuck around with Hell incarnate.
Gundersen is not a doomer he's a doubter and thanks god for him & all the anti-nuclear movements around the world.
The economy comes second to the planet!!! The later feeds you, the former doesn't.
1 + Fucking 1 = 2 BITCHEZ !
Kind of an interesting method of post natal population control. Is a thermonuclear exchange planned as an enhancement? Do we need more nuclear proliferation to evolve a more radiation tolerant biological base?
Hey, what isn't radioactive? The half-life on most releases were, for the most part, seconds, minutes, a day. The worst environmental disaster was from the chem industry. The most destructive of all, political.
Time to take some science classes because the importance of baseload power is too significant to not know WTF you're talking about.
Reactor #3 was fueled with MOX. MOX contains Plutonium and Uranium. Reactor #3 had a meltdown and subsequent "hydrogen" explosion. Additionally, one of #3's fuel rods was located over 1.5 km from ground zero. The half life of Plutonium 239 is 24,100 years. One inhaled molecule of Plutonium is a likely death sentence.
Cesium 137 was admittedly discovered in the Tokyo ground water supply on two different occasions. Tokyo is approximately 120 miles from Fukushima. No current technology exists to remove hot particles from ground water. The half life of Cesium 137 is 30-years.
Go figure and TY to GW for attempting to "illuminate" the shills and Luddites!
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
http://enenews.com/
"Reactor #3 had a meltdown and subsequent "hydrogen" explosion."
I sometimes wonder how that fuel managed to be lifted the way it was, and if some sort of foul play was involved.
Gunderson is a moron who couldnt hack it in the private sector so he went activist.
There is an easy way to verify, if you live on the pacific coast take a gieger counter to the air filter on your car.
I could second that one, but A: you have to know how to tell the difference from "normal", and B: history shows that air collection of particulates is a very weak measure compared to what you can get out of rain, which picks them up and concentrates them a lot better.
There were two government programs just after we got nukes to detect nuclear fallout. The Air force wanted to fly planes high with massive air pumps and filters to collect any fallout particles and then measure the filters -- same idea as the car idea, but on a grander scale. NRL instead discovered higher levels in rainwater (from our own testing) and went with a program of collecting rainwater - even adding new roofs to existing buildings to have a clean collection surface, and later going to old swimming pools on islands for supplementary data. This turned out to be literally thousands of times more sensitive than the air force results when Stalin finally started testing in the atmosphere, and gave enough stuff for a decent gamma spectrometer to even track the sources of the bomb material, how efficient the bomb was and so forth. This was all documented in an old Physics Today, I'll have to root around and find it, its a fascinating set of stories about the cold war era and nukes.
On point A -- the issue with everyone suddenly freaking out when they see radiation is that they weren't checking before the big news event. Without a good baseline, you don't know crap. I live in SW VA, where there are radioactive elements in the soil as is, and to get down to really nice low background levels, I have to measure in a second story lab, well ventilated to get rid of any radon from the basement. At that point I see mostly cosmic rays, a little more here than at sea level (('m at 2k feet).
I have tested for Fukishima radiation making it here (obviously, a lot farther than the west coast). Right after the event, we had a fortuitous weather pattern, that picked up quite a lot of the plume (several web sites had pictures of it in real time from aerial surveys) and dropped it right on me in rain.
Since I do nuclear stuff here (but am no fan of fission, see my nick), I happen to have a gamma spectrometer which is about the best government money could buy a decade or two ago -- not bad for a home lab, it uses about a gallon jug worth of NaI:Tl as the primary sensor on a 6" photomultiplier. It's good, and counts bankground at insane high levels due to it's sensitivity and time resolution. Mostly what it shows is cosmics -- you can tell by the spectra. Putting it into a 4" thick lead "castle" to get rid of secondary cosmic showers helps a lot.
In that state, I measured some of the rainwater sediment after the Fukishima event (about 4 days after when the rain got here). Overall count was not statistically different than the background -- the cosmic counts vary depending on what the sun and earth's magnetic fields are doing at the moment. But I did see a barely detectable line from Iodine. No Cesium (which is longer lived but still quite nasty) was detectable and I could have seen it way down into the background noise -- this instrument, since it can separate gamma rays by energy, is far, far superior to any Geiger counter that just says "count, or no count".
I can no longer measure anything in recent rains, for what it's worth. There's just nothing there above the baseline, which I've been taking for some years now.
It could obviously be worse in other places, all I can speak to is where I am, but here it's an utter non-event -- it was a big deal to be able to measure it at all the one time.
Remember, most trucks full of kitty litter or ceramics are hotter enough than background so as to set off portal monitors at the borders. They haven't had to reset for the increased background -- because it really hasn't increased.
I have a friend on the west coast who has an even better gamma spec. His is HPGE, cryogenic cooled. He reports seeing nothing so far, but hasn't tried as hard as I did either and didn't catch a good sample from that first rain after the event.
I tend to think that things that concentrate bad isotopes in the ocean would be the main threat to human health. Fish, for example. The whole food chain tends to concentrate the heavies, and besides the recent event in Japan, there are a half dozen nuclear sub reactors down there cranking away, from accidents, you can understand how reporting those was kinda suppressed during the cold war. The saving grace is that all this stuff tends to go real deep, where there is little life anyway, and decay quietly down there. But I'd be looking at seafood myself -- and I'd be damn sure to get a baseline from "before" since the stuff tends to be hotter (than the water) anyway due to the concentration of heavies which are also naturally occurring.
At any rate, we now live in a world where the background, once boosted by factor two from atmospheric nuclear tests is back to "normal" more or less for almost the entire planet. This was a blip, in truth, except for nearby where it's of course as nasty a problem as can possibly exist. It won't magically jump across continents, radioactivity isn't like a disease, it's like a poison -- keep it in a jar, it's safe.
Gunderson is a moron who couldnt hack it in the private sector so he went activist.
You sound like one of the "paid trolls" for the nuke industry (i.e. you're the moron).
Gunderson is a nuclear engineer and you should be on your knees thanking him for revealing the truth about what's really happening. Figures don't lie; a 35% increase in infant mortality here in the U.S. following this disaster is fact.
I can't help but notice that you keep relying on the same single source with no corroboration. While he may be well-informed about nuclear technology and even sincere, you do a disservice to your cause to continue making it so easy to discredit.
Furthermore, why should I be concerned about rain-outs containing actinides with half-lives of about a week? I don't tend to inhale rain and that doesn't seem to present a long-term health hazard via livestock or groundwater.
Do you have information that something other than I131 has travelled as far as the US? Or just anecdotal measurements of "radioactivity" with no links to data to confirm the type and levels of same?
You don't? You do in micro-particles much like you breath in dioxin and many other toxins from PVC shower curtian that becomes more concentrated (500 times) when met with steam (tiny water droplets) from the shower because the water droplets are inhaled. The only difference between this method of poisoning and the other is heat isn't needed b/c it's already in gas form into the air.
It's how it works, same method. My info is first hand from Lois Gibbs, famous for 'From Cancer Alley to...."
...and I studied Chemical Engineering. My classmates called me 'Curve Killer.'
Brush up on Boyle.
You don't? You do in micro-particles much like you breath in dioxin and many other toxins from PVC shower curtian that becomes more concentrated (500 times) when met with steam (tiny water droplets) from the shower because the water droplets are inhaled. The only difference between this method of poisoning and the other is heat isn't needed b/c it's already in gas form into the air.
It's how it works, same method. My info is first hand from Lois Gibbs, famous for 'From Cancer Alley to...."
...and I studied Chemical Engineering. My classmates called me 'Curve Killer.'
Brush up on Boyle.
+10
OT but related to topic and issues thereof:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse
He forecasted the Japan earthquake of 3.11.2011 two days before based on activity and indy news reports from independent individuals on youtube that were from Japan. He's been harassed by youtube, the USGS, and trolls who have threatened him, posted GPS coordinates to his front door and two days ago his best friend was shot 5 times by two guys in a black hummvee using AK-47's. They've gone so far as to put up channels in likeness to his name and nature that 'poke fun' by mimicking what he does with no real information. I have been following this guy since April 2011. He predicted severe weather in my area 24 hours before our weather station did - local forecast was for sunny weather but we got severe thunderstorms with damaging winds and hail. Power was knocked out in many places where I live. Weather alert was maybe 45 minutes before storm hit.
The Road...
Bullshit. Gundersen is a paid propagandist for "alamists R US", aka the enviro profiteers. He has a source within the government; Sure he does; and I'm Mickey Mouse in disguise. Good Old George Washington with his chicken little the sky is falling story of the week; what a basket case.
Good point cause it's not like our government is ever an alarmist. It's not like insider Warren B isn't invested heavily in our full radioactive steam ahead blueprint. It's not like our reactors are way past prime. It's not like our government ever lies to us about energy, energy policies, and the various saftey and homicidal fallout from our unusual self defeating strategies. Go Mickey, Annette is calling you back to litterless white faced Main Street.
Start with facts, lots of facts, then draw conclusions:
Here's the most detailed site by far covering Fukushima.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
And if you read Japanese:
http://ex-skf-jp.blogspot.com/
by IQ 145
on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:48
#1045764
No one is gambling anything; you are so far from understanding anything; it's just amazing. The very small quantities of radioactive gases released were released deliberately; there is no on-going problem; none, whatsoever. It's too bad the operators were so paranoid about meaningless releases of gases into the atmoshere, that they allowed an explosive mixture of hydrogen and air to exist in the building; this will cost the power company some bucks; it means nothing for public health
Who's the propagandist?
Wow, I have never seen such masterful ownage of a BS artist. Hey, IQ 145, perhaps a name change is in order? Both to hide disgrace and improve accuracy?
you can bribe any tester
Yeah, IQ, care to follow up? You seem to be something of a cunt.
personal attacks! and no facts to go with the personal attacks..
at the same time he has nicely re-enforced the facts as offered by GW so you could say thank you for helping.. as well as be pissed.. it goes both ways.
Mr. IQ may be helping the cause by being the lamb slaughtered for factual informatonal purposes.
the lamb slaughtered for factual informatonal purposes
Nice, that is going on my favorite phrase list alongside my current favorite:
the statement was not meant to be factual
Why does the cabal want nuclear mutatiion? To take us futher from the source?
One good reason for mutation..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiylTqSAiaM
This must be why my hair is falling out :)
The poisoning from the radiation can be detered by talking green super foods such as kelp and others high in iodine, but do not take too much, you want your thyroid to be doing some work. Take Maca to flush the system out, and then start it up again. A ratio of 2:1, 2:2, or 3:1 green:maca (week:week) will help.
stop printing this information..then no one will have to worry..life is short lets all just get along and ignore the real world multiple wars nothing much in press see how it works..a deliberate rape of America by multinational elites ho hum..one day we will face the real world but not today thanks.
PS, nice pic.
Thank you, GW for your efforts on this issue. Don`t give up !
PBS had a show the other night reporting not one river in the USA has "safe" fish anymore. I guess they mean they have levels of poisons that may harm yoru health. Sad. And now we get bombarded with radiation from Japan.
Pulau @ 08:39,
If it were on anywhere but PBS, it might hold more credence with me.
Not that it may not be fact,but I do not trust any station w/an agenda.
I spoke with a state water quality expert here in the American South and was asking about mercury levels in shellfish. He told me that much of our mercury problem here is from coal burned in China and carried to us in rain clouds. This is one more reason I am glad to be out of Southern California. A nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there again. Fun for singles, lousy for families. Might be a good idea to find out where your nearest community fallout shelters are located. They are generally good for all sorts of calamaties: radioactive fallout, windstorms, tornadoes, hurricanes, and probably earthquakes.
no. no. no. no no. NO!
Community Fallout Shelter.
Also known as 2 week Disposable Gravesite marked with the classic Yellow Circle three triangle dot sign.
WHY!?
Suppose nuclear war broke out back then. The whole town stuffs themselves by the dozen or hundreds to ride out the blast, heat, quake, fallout etc for a few days. Then a week. Then the sick die first. Bodies tossed out after they bloat and stink up the place. Eventually the people in the shelter discover there isnt much food if any, no water and basically no sanitary faciltiy.
A fallout shelter was usually part of a strong point like a Post office or something underground. Good strong shelter. But that is all. Nothing in it except space.
Just like subbasements were to 9-11'ers fleeing the dust, they went down into the sub basements assisted by the various securoty and staff to get to clean air and rest. But down there there isnt anything stored.
You want a shelter?
Get one put in on your land. There are any number of Nuclear capable shelters availible for a few thousand dollas that can be installed on your property anywhere.
We have a strong FEMA building built to hold 1200 souls in a tornado alert. We use it all the time. What happens is after about 4 hours which is a typical duration of a bad tornado outbreak as the storms passes through or overhead, the place starts to get hot. Since there is no power to cool off the 1000 or so people... it continues to heat up. Elderly and children first affected then the sick and so on...
That is just a 4 hour shift. What do you expect if you expect to remain in place for three weeks under 4 feet of earth with plastic or lead covering above to drain off starshine and rain radiation away from you? 3 weeks in a hole. Solidtary is better.
I can understand the desire to keep a lid on this, but there comes a time when honesty outweighs personal ambition. Whether political or financial, truth must take precident over expediency. Lying and deceit are indicative of the breakdown of trust our leaders have in the people of the land. The distrust of the people of those in authority is learned response.
Our current ruling class made up of an unholy alliance between business and government, including the means of filtering information will have much to answer for in the coming days, weeks, months and years. Unfortunately, reactionary forces are far less graceful in applying remedies and can be as difficult to recover from as the problems they react to.
Why the delay and cover up? Education and relationships, otherwise known as truth and love. Let's get on with it and get this thing resolved already! Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
If you don't report and measure, it never happened. It is a continuation of Government deciding what is the current reality to suit our corporate sponsors. Are people going to die? Yes, many in Japan and some in N America. That should not be used to prevent corporations form doing God's work, the benefits of nuclear power drastically outweight the small tragedy that has occured in Japan. Anything that endangers the current status quo must be supressed because those in power are best suited to navigate the future for the benefit of whatever made up shit to be inserted here. Additionally, the poor need something here and the other side is only worried about more shit inserted here. In conclusion, the people need to be herded, I mean sheparded into the future by those who would fleece, shear.....properly manage their future and thus our future of this great corporation, I mean country, because nervous sheep do not produce good wool, I mean so we may all prosper together ....
+1
No one expects the inquisition.
I'm confused. Is this paragraph about Japan or Wall Street?
Very good. I have been thinking about formulating a universal statement that can be used for any occasion or issue. A simple fill in the blank that puts together all the ass covering statements I have heard over the years into one easy to use format that even a government official can use.
Yes, I believe it is.
Yet another reason to leave.
Yet another reason to leave.
I own a good radiation detector that will detect alpha, beta and gamma. My background level here in MI has not gone up since Fukushima and our rain water has not shown any activity.
These people who 'feel' their roof may be stopping stuff and who spell micro as mikro would do well to actually buy an instrument and check their radiation locally before they let themselves get all excited by people with a political agenda.
Now if I lived in Japan I'd have hit the road as far away as I could get from this mess. But I walked to the car yesterday in the rain with no worries. I can't speak to the west coast, but neither can these fear mongers who are too cheap to buy an actual instrument.
I've been following this guy since shortly after Fuku
http://www.potrblog.com/
The readings are primarily from the Greater St. Louis, MO area.
However, recentlly he's been taking road trips with his Geiger counter:
This is very interesting--
http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2011/07/unresearched-threat-of-fuku...
From the same blogger as above [He renamed his blog at some point.]