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NYPD and Seattle Police Beat Up Protesters
New York Police Beat Up Protesters AGAIN Today
NYPD beat up protesters again today:
Occupy Wall Street Arrests; Fox 5 Crew and Protesters Hit by Mace, Batons: MyFoxNY.com
As Alexander Higgins reports:
Seattle Police Rough Up ProtestersThis video shows Luke Rudkowski and other Occupy Wall street protestors being beat with Batons by White Shirts as the NYPD pepper sprays other members of the crowd. [Rudkowski is the lead reporter for We Are Change.]
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This photo shows the crowd being pepper spayed.
Also Seattle Police roughed up protesters today:
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I don't think that video is Seattle. It's posted on occupywallst.org as NYC. And those look like NYPD.
KOMO is Seattle
This was designed to generate political support for the jobs [shackles] legislation and class warfare. It's community organization Alinsky style.
You nailed it. This whole charade is merely the organized left attempting to generate hostility toward the private sector, AWAY from the regime and is over all nothing more than a gambit to get obama the pathetic reelected. G.W. may or may not be aware of this but the obvious fact is that the powers to be are behind this movement. Proof enough for me is the fact that the regimes propaganda ministry (MSM) has not been lashing out as they did with the Tea Party from day one. If the regime were not behind this, or in any way felt threatened by it, the harsh onslaught of condemnation would have already begun in earnest, One only needs to look at the players behind this project to know that it is purely a project of the authoritarian/central planning left.
"Proof enough for me is the fact that the regimes propaganda ministry (MSM) has not been lashing out as they did with the Tea Party from day one."
WRONG! The MSM tried as hard as they could to simply ignore it. This thing went on for over a week, just blocks from where all the MSM's headquarters are located, before making national television. It was only when the Internet had videos of girls being maced that it finally was acknowledeged and broadcast to the nation.
A true American awakening is not good for either of the established parties & could be sowing the seeds for outside alternatives. The mob really can't be controlled. As demonstrations break out around the country, there will be many divergent views driving the protesters.
Saving the country from Fascism should not be a left/right, dem/rep issue. We should all be in support of tearing down the status quo.
Wow, your opinion isn't shared by a majority here.
Most of you here are all about money. Follow it and you will find the protests are being funded by Moveon.org and the unions. Once I followed the money the support for the protesters was gone. This is just another distraction from the problems in the country. This is just another ploy by the administration to create further divide in the country and to further the propaganda of class warfare on a grand scale.
Notice how they are not protesting the government that is the root cause of it all and are calling for Obama to be re-elected to save us all. No objectives, no demands. Just more show and more crap.
Having been in the policemans spots back in the 70's you and I do not know what provoked the people to be sprayed. Do you think the police are doing if for fun? Standing there in riot gear and doing your best not to cause trouble is scary, real scary. Been there done that.
I caught an "interview" by Ed Schultz last night while browsing the crap on the tube. Ed was talking with some union boss about how the OWS movement was for union ideals and slanting the movement toward an Obama support. A young guy was leaning over the guard rails and yelling as loud as he could: "We are NOT for you -- we are NOT for Obama!!!" He was successfully disrupting the "interview". That's what this is all about. Throwing a wrench into the works of any entrenched mainstream philosophy.
This co-opting of the movement for various factions will go on. Attributing methods, funding, and motives for the movement will go on. But one thing that will never change is the FACT that people are pissed. These folks don't have to be economically nor politically savvy to know that they don't have a job, a future, nor a plan. No plan needed.
Michelle Caruso-Boobies was yakking on early CNBS about how the people were in the wrong place. They should be protesting in front of Congress, not Wall Street. Useless. If somebody is not goring the right ox, they must be wrong or misinformed. She missed the opportunity to help, not stall, the process. Too bad.
See John Stuart's show from last night in which he took Fox News to task for attributing patriotism to the Tea Party movement while disparaging the OWS folk for doing the same thing.
I expect some junks just for mentioning one or more of the above personalities and news organizations. Just pick your ox and junk me for goring it.
Well spoken Rock. I think that in today's world, we are so conditioned with winning and losing and dumb ass sports analogies, many cannot comprehend that the majority of these people just are.
They are not for, not against, just are. Pissed.
Howard Beale if you will.
I applaud their courage. They are there, I am not. I dont care if they want to set up a Muslim Caliphate. Any shaking up of they system will scare those running it.
Until now, they have only had to unplug their fax machines and dump their email inboxes. Now it is anger that they see out the window, not order.
The people in power responsible for controlling these folks are trying their hardest to coalesce everyone into a coherent and easily controlled position.
I say keep the anarchy of purpose. It is their greatest attribute.
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Rocky rocks! I agree with your points 100%. The politicos and MSM cannot open eyes to see the new reality around them.
I've got zero skin in this left/right game. No down arrows from me. There is a popular right-wing site out there (that I won't promote here) that consists primarily of links to ZH and posts with links encouraging members to flood online polls.
Then - when Ron Paul wins a straw poll or any poll for that matter - the uproar over "Paul-Bots" spamming polls is unanimous.
Here is loud-mouth Bill O'Reilly bloviating on his own poll explaining the need "take Cain and Paul out - which we have to do". Blech.
Bill O'Reilly Doesn't Like Ron Paul's Victory In Fox Poll
Heaven forbid we split that awesome [R] ticket.
Bill O'Really - Retard!
I appreciate and welcome your impartiality and level headed thinking. All we need is people to release their entrenched ideologies and reconsider the world. That is all.
Junks? How can you not lust for Caruso?????
No worry about the message that CNBC promulgates, however untrue it may be. The finance community is their audience . . . and until the finance community feels some of the pain they promote, they'll always complain but they'll just as surely find a way to discredit anything that threatens their gravy train. Hell, most of them fiercely regard themselves as "producers." Nothing is so predictable as the passions of the bottom feeders of the oligarchy.
This developing meme that they are "calling for Obama to be re-elected" is ridiculous on its face, but that won't stop it from gathering steam.
If you care about the truth, however, find an example of this advocacy for Obama outside of your own fantasies.
As for the cops, there are worse assignments that standing around pulling overtime pay. Some of them do indeed find it "fun" to abuse their fellow citizens. Those would be the guys who are finding excuses for doing it.
They have no reason to be scared. Yet.
You know.. I haven't even seen an Obama sign.. Yet, I hear these neo-cons on here trying to say it's about re-electing Obama.. wow.. I must be missing something.. Or... or... they are trolls.. I've been to tea party gatherings.. I'm seeing less "left wing" stuff in these protests than I did "right wing" stuff at tea parties.. All I see is people trying to bring attention to the destructive control wall street has on our economy and way of life.. We should all be behind this..
It's the usual mindless passions coalescing around the usual hateful divisions. It would be foolish to expect anything different.
Ironically, many of those who support the Icelandic, Irish and Greek protestors will find themselves on the other side of the same controversy here because it so readily inflames their own parochial prejudices.
Useful idiocy know no national boundaries.
well said bob. I'm sure the icelanders checked everyone's poltical club cards before they got together and chased their criminal bastards out.
I remember in 2003, I had a case down in Portland Or and I had a moment to join a protest march against the Iraq invasion. Plenty of "wacky liberals" and funny "hippie costumes" in that party. Didn't make it any less right.
If it scares you, you were not the right person for the job. Just like the "swat team" that with 15 people strong, fired 70 bullets into a mans home killing the guy. Get a grip, you have the fucking weapons.
You make a few great points. I had my suspicions about these people before the protests even started. If you looked at their website it was obvious they had strong communist and redistributionist leanings. Also, they are not protesting the government, they are backed by the same people that filled the wisconsin state house and they have the support of the left wing media. It is funny to watch the msnbc and CNN crowd try to legitimize these malcontents by comparing them to the tea party. So now they support Obama as well, shocker. The unions are with them shocker. This stinks of diversion to me. And I think they will eventually lose most or all support from regular people.
so it is impossible in history for a corrupt and criminal system to create strange bedfellows? If this place has truly gone to a few dogs why would it not bring "liberal" criticism? Last time I checked there is plenty of "conservative" criticism as well. Measuring the legitimacy of protest by nothing more than political labels that are truly worthless at this point is just that, worthless
A theft victim is a theft victim. A worried parent is a parent. Read your history book
I think you're finally gonna find out who and what "regular" people really are.
Enlighten me. Are regular people white, liberal arts education, age 18-25, spoiled with a sense of entitlement to other people's wealth? Because that's who it looks like started this OWS thing to me. They are a very vocal, small and radical minority and will be forgotten by Christmas while the powerful unions continue their marches.
Hey, I hope you're wrong, but if you're right, at least somebody will be marching . . . while nearly all of society suffers, albeit with many holding their exquisitely sensitive noses in heroic reproach of labor.
It's another false "color" revolution at least on some level. Far more "astroturf" than the Tea Party was in the early stages.
"Proof enough for me is the fact that the regimes propaganda ministry (MSM) has not been lashing out as they did with the Tea Party from day one."
Good point...the majority of the kids appear to be white!
So therefore they must be "raaaycist" for protesting the Obama administrations actions thus far for being unfair/unethical in stealing the nations treasure for things like Solyndra, GM bailouts, propping up failed Wall Street banks etc.
Live by the race sword & die by it ;-)
"Yes We Can Occupy" -- sign seen at protest on NBC News.
Not exactly a campaign poster for Obama, is it?
No doubt the democratic party will attempt to coop this movement just as the republicans did the Tea Party, but I don't see it happening.
Seventy five percent of it is a campaign poster for Obama.
Strange.. I haven't seen that... You should save some evidence and produce it when making such a statement.. It's as if you will do anything to aid the "divide and conquer" approach so affectively being used on us..
The sign was on the NBC Evening News last night. Millions of people saw it. You can look it up if you like or you can dispute the existence of reality if you prefer. Makes no difference to me.
Your commitment must be quite fragile if my two-bit posts frighten you with a specter of dividing and conquering.
@ CrockettA
while I realise your mind is completely closed to anything but your own thoughts, perhaps you might CONSIDER that taking NBC Evening News POV might, just might be a bit shallow.
it really isn't that hard in their mini-soundbyte clips per noooos-story to edit a perspective in - and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that strategic plants exist within this LARGE protest - I mean, c'mon, the military has ADMITTED as much, and I'm sure local govt. has a stake in maintaining the ignorance of those who get their information second/third/etc. -hand.
I remain unconvinced that any ONE "side" has captured even the majority of people out in the streets LET ALONE "the whole movement" - that's just sloppy thinking.
are you going to put up some proof of the 75% claim?? Or do you want us to just forget about that part.. You don't frighten me at all.. As a matter of fact, I live to confront people like you.. You are right.. your posts are certainly two-bit .. You seem to have a knack for fabricating things to support your views.. Just show me how you come up with the 75% as this would go far in giving your comment grounds for accuracy.. Of course, you will avoid that at all costs and attack me instead..
The phrase "Yes We Can Occupy" has four words. Three of those words, "Yes We Can" are an Obama campaign slogan. Three divided by four equals seventy five percent.
It's basic math.
You'd have to be better informed about who they are to perceive the intended irony, CA.
That's 99%.
Are you suggesting that OWS is largely anti-Obama? I'd like to see some evidence of that. The unions who are joining the protests certainly set great store by the President and his policies.
I'm asserting it outright. Typical "leftists" have vowed to reject that sell-out closet neo-con mofo to the death. Myself, I'll vote for a republican if that's what it takes--the lame-assed democratic party will better defend my priorities as a minority party than they do in support of their alledgedly Democratic POTUS.
I've known these kind of people all my life. I have no doubt that they don't support Obama. Note their qualified rejection of Moore and Ratigan, in spite of the tremendous advantages those guys offer them.
Hey, if it really matters, why doesn't somebody go down there and poll people on the question--it shouldn't take more than a couple hours.
Seriously. It would be a good investment for everybody's sake.
EDIT: I'm serious here. This particular data will play a pivotal role in the whirlpool of deepening insanity we will all know so painfully well as this show rolls on, imo. If it's bad data that will make the entire thing that extra-special crazy, crazy experience. The dizzyingly crazy shit. But we could head this one off. I'm in Michigan--anybody in NYC who can do us all a favor here?
Interesting take.
It never occurred to you that the 'Yes we can' was intentional, not as a campaign slogan, but as sarcasm to the Obama campaign? It is possible that the sign was a criticism. But that wouldn't fit your delusional opinion, would it?
That's certainly a possible interpretation of the sign. But since I'm delusional and I agree with you about that possibility then you must be delusional as well.
Have an ad hominem day!
Would it surprise you if a few democratic party trolls seized the opportunity to grab some attention from the media by dropping in on a completely inclusive, loosely organized event in an open public space?
That's a far different matter than what you would seem to be arguing here.
The single most organized formally political faction represented at these protests is the Ron Paul "Liberty" crowd. That's a fact . . . and it has been true from Day 1.
Why are you grasping at straws to represent it in such a dramatically different light?
I hope there are some Ron Paul folks out there educating the well intentioned but misguided folks just like I try to do here (you're welcome).
But with the unions getting involved it seems clear that they are ""the single most organized formally political faction represented at these protests."
Crockett, I've been trying and failing apparently. I guess my approach is wrong. I get accused of being pro-establishment, "Koch sucker" crony capitalist, troll, etc. I am a Ron Paul guy 100%, and I see this demonstration for what it is, (wolf in sheeps clothing) but I don't think a lot of people here have figured it out yet. At least we can speak in opposition so that the groupthink on ZH might take a breather and listen for a minute.
We are not defending Crony Capitalism or Obama picking winners and losers. Let the banks fail if they deserve to, fuck 'em! But don't threaten to confiscate honest people's wealth and scare industry away! What if the "evil" 1% grows to 5%? Then 15%? Then 40%? That's what happens in the real world. The rulers will keep just enough people in their pocket to control them all. They will come for yours eventually...
It's misdirected anger which is the stock-in-trade of politicians everywhere. Some folks here see criticism of the apparent goals of OWS as an effort to divide and conquer whereas OWS is itself an attempt to divide and conquer from what I can see. Blaming Wall Street is a distraction from the real problem which is big government plain and simple.
I have no problem with anyone rich or poor who hasn't tried to screw me. The protesters are free to protest, it's just a shame to see so much wasted effort and emotion.
I wouldn't be surprised if the unions step up and embrace the opportunity. Much of their philosophy is consistent with the values of the protestors.
Clearly the finance community will not be joining the show. But then, they already run the show everywhere else.
The original protestors are unlikely to embrace any mainstream organizations, however. They sent Ratigan away empty-handed when he made a very well-intentioned attempt to use them. They haven't been taken over by Michael Moore, in spite of his efforts.
What initially appears to be a weakness, that profound distrust of hierarchy and minority rule, seems to be serving them well in this respect.
The Ron Paul supporters are doing their best to educate about the Fed. Much needed, I might add. Unfortunately, their dominant concern seems to be getting Ron Paul elected, which ain't gonna happen with this crowd.
If only there were some hope of Ron Paul learning the ability to develop consensus from these protestors. If he and his followers were willing to limit their platform of change to the "radical" things that liberals, conservatives and libertarians can all passionately agree on--cut militarism, end the Fed and TBTF, protect social liberties, etc.--he could truly be the transformative figure he apparently wants to be.
Unfortunately, that seems impossible. What a shame.
OK Oathkeepers your time is here or are you just blowing smoke ......?
Lets hope they live up to the name.
So it begins
As long as the current system remains intact, average people will keep getting poorer. That means, the prostests can only grow as time goes by. The government has to take extreme fascist measures to suppress them. Or start a war somewhere on earth to divert attention.
Yep, war is coming. I figure it starts in Europe. History rhyming and all.
Anger is building within our country. The "two" parties have blurred the lines so much that eventually people will get the message. Vote incumbents out. Not yet though. Most people still root for their political party with the fervor of their favorite football team.