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NYPD and Seattle Police Beat Up Protesters
New York Police Beat Up Protesters AGAIN Today
NYPD beat up protesters again today:
Occupy Wall Street Arrests; Fox 5 Crew and Protesters Hit by Mace, Batons: MyFoxNY.com
As Alexander Higgins reports:
Seattle Police Rough Up ProtestersThis video shows Luke Rudkowski and other Occupy Wall street protestors being beat with Batons by White Shirts as the NYPD pepper sprays other members of the crowd. [Rudkowski is the lead reporter for We Are Change.]
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This photo shows the crowd being pepper spayed.
Also Seattle Police roughed up protesters today:
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And as the government turns violent, we the people will have to both retaliate, and use technology to our advantage and make void their tools. Body armor, chemical neutralizers, acoustic noise cancellation, microwave reflectors... the situation in the world is at a point that we really have nothing to lose, because we are inevitably going to join the poor / unemployed / hungry. The system is being driven to that point. We need to prepare now for the oncoming civil unrest that is about to be unleashed, but by prepare, I mean the above, and martial arts training.
The government is a lot better at violence than you are. Do you really want to challenge them?
1. Hell yes. We must challenge them.
2. The government is us. The enforcers are us. We just don't know what will happen if the protests reach critical mass and violence errupts on a wide scale. Will a policeman shoot his brother for a banker? Will an National Guard soldier club that college student? Some will, but some won't. Plus, this is a vast country with a lot if independent, well-armed citizens. If you can't control countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, how do you control America?
I will go toe to toe if needed.
I can not go toe to missle launcher.
For the truely aweful, the power will be withdrawn;
human hands and minds make all of the weapons.
For victory, reach those minds.
Challenge them to be free.
Challenge them on all fronts. It is our only hope.
And when the time comes, learn from the hippie failings. There was a cultural divide then between generations. It doesn't exist any more. We will need to remind the bodies and minds within those suits of armor that they are our heros. They didn't sign up to fight for our government. They signed up to fight for us.
list names and addresses of these pigs, and see how quickly they change their attitude! hey copper! is that your house on fire?
No need to go overboard. I don't recall cops beating up Tea Partiers, perhaps because in every crowd there were some folks openly carrying side arms. Legal (for now, at least in some places) and effective.
What I'm talking about does not happen overnight, and you don't seem to understand my intent. Non violence can be achieved, but you also don't need to take the beatings. For every military invention, we the people should be developing technologies to defeat them. I am suggesting a few.
Letting potential aggressors know that you're armed is nonviolent and an effective way of reducing attacks against you.
Carrying a gun in NYC, whether concealed or not, is cause for arrest. Ask Plaxico Burress about that. If the protestors armed themselves, the police would have just cause to simply round them all up.
Gun control is just another example of how the government is screwing these people rather than Wall Street. And yet they go out in the streets to plead for government help as the government enforcers beat their unarmed asses. Looks like the old adage to know ones enemy is lost on these people.
I know, just not in metropolitan cities like NYC. If we brandished guns, these ass hats would likely be shooting like the Swat team in AZ. Fuckers.
Sun Tzu says that one should not attempt to defend the indefensible. The protesters decide the venue. They should chose a field of battle which increases their chances of success.
SZ also says to maneuver your adversary into a position where he must attack. - Ned
I agree, which is why you should pay attention to Oct 10th I believe.
10/10 is a Federal Holiday, so the markets will be closed. I wonder if that is the same thing as "erased." - Ned
Sorry, I was thinking of the NYSE thingie that was recently posted.
that was my point: "erase Wall Street on the Internet" on a market-closed day. ;-) - Ned
I'm always willing to listen to a sensible argument.
bunch of pigs 'just doing their jobs'.
"Bunch of pigs just doing their jobs"
in NY, the pigs are owned by JPM, bought most likely with your tax dollars.
The protesters are doing god's work. Edit:...our work.
I'm neither theocratic nor a collectivist so count me out.
protect and serve
protect wall street
serve wall street
pray at the altar of money
one thing the govt always has money for ....cops and war
Few years ago I socialized for some time online with few guys from NYPD (by accident) and I would be far from calling anyone a pig! Overall nice guys with great sense of humor, but as everywhere you'll find few bad apples. I think they well know what is going on in the economy right now as well what is at stake and many of them cannot be bought with $4 Million or more, but that does not mean they will not do their job.
1) The NYPD is not nearly being compensated - either in salary or in benefits - as handsomely as it was during the Guiliani regime. Thus you have a police force that is "starved" and unsympathetic.
2) Regardless of what your deepest redemption fantasies may project upon the "movement", these protesters dowtown are by and large rent-a-mob, where's-the-protest-I-mean-party-no-wait-I-mean-protest sorts. "Middle class" is a well-studied academic theme.
3) while yes we all abhor greed (we talk about it on a tab for ZH and then open another tab to check our bank accounts / investments / pm prices) how do I know this "movement" isn't just another lousy attempt at laying astroturf?
4) The starved NYPD - and the fat financial finger tugging the collective leash - understands that this protest stinks of illegitimacy and that the "movement", although noteworthy, will be forgetten to time. The batons will fly because they can, because the NYPD understands that "the movement" puts no bread on the table and certainly puts no meat on the stove.
5) This protest and the reaction events are catalyzed by real belly-level hunger that wears the mask of moral outrage. Cops and "the movement" are here fighting over the same heel of bread cast off the tables of the limo left.
It seems the guys in the white shirts are the actual Nazi Party members. Gestapo wannabes. Lovely.
"Out of Control", The New Normal!
Rather funny.
Most protesters are dark haired while the cops are likely light hair (their short cut may be misleading though)
I wonder what US citizens do of this.
Far from funny. THis creates more factions. More divide. THis will lead to the wishes of the elites to have martial law, reserve troops, the whole nine fucking yards.
Hurt them where it counts. Go to cash, physical cash. Support your local businesses, with cash. Get out of TBTF banks. Don't trade BAC and MS.
It has always been their sandbox. THe markets, the ponzi, increasing fraud and parabolic bullshit. Take your toys home. Bitchslap these fuckers as best as you can, protect yourself and those around you.
the cops love wall street and ambition, that's why the haitred of the hippie freiks.
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I don't even know what that means.. what the fuck are you trying to say?? Nevermind.. I don't think I even want to know..
Thanks God the protesters generally are peaceful. NYPD should not provoke unnecessary escalation in tension that could lead to "What happens here today, stays here today".... Just saying..
This won't be popular to say here because I know the ZH mentality on this OWS thing, but these people are not the friends of liberty folks! They represent the tyranny of the mob. These people would have us living like cubans or soviets. They would confiscate all wealth and give it to their own interests. They are no Better than wall street, just different in their approach to achieving their objectives. How long are we supposed to allow a mob to own the streets of our cities?
When no other method works, the population rises up against tyranny.
Who says they'd steal all the wealth? No one wants to steal wealth, they just want a fair society. If that means taxation policy has to prevent people becoming insanely rich, then so be it. Who honestly needs a billion dollars? Or a 100m a year in pay? Isn't that just sickening? Who on earth can possibly justify their one year wage at $100,000,000? That's just plain greedy. A free nation is supposed to look after the majority. It is not supposed to devolve into a feudal dystopia where millions live in tents while a handful live in palacial luxury.
Are you kidding me?! These people would have us living more like Burning Man than Soviets. The Freaks are the ultimate expressions of liberty. They want drugs to be freed, sexuality to be freed, expression to be freed, religious belief to be freed... They don't want state control, that is an illusion in your mind because you call them "Marxists".
"They would confiscate all wealth and give it to their own interests."
They would (future tense). Wall Street IS (present tense). At this moment in time Wall St is the bigger threat. If that changes then change sides.
also
police brutality is a good thing. if the protestors are in the wrong then it gets sorted quick. if the protestors are in the right then it creates more public support. win-win
You should change your moniker to Puppet-tron! How about you go lick the boots of your masters
I have two masters, one I pray to and one I sleep next to. Neither wears boots... But nice contribution to the conversation big guy. You should be proud.
You are invited to participate so that you're not a victim of someone else's decisions... or do you prefer English rule and the majesty?
It sounds to me like you are probably what Alinski referred to as a "Useful idiot", as are most of the fuck ups in OWS. This is straight up class warfare at this point. How about those kids go take a shower and get a job instead of bitching about how rich everybody else is? I don't buy the class warfare narrative and I don't think it's really 99% vs. 1%. That is the marxist narrative. Productive people are rewarded with wealth in America. Losers are rewarded with poverty (and occassionally pepper spray). This is the same bunch of IMF/World Bank Anarchists, communists, wannabe hippies, etc. that have been showing up and making a stink about this crap for years.
Confiscation and redistribution of wealth has been tried over and over and over again and has ended with blood and tyranny (EDIT - and collective poverty). You would just be exchanging the current system for a more sinister form of tyranny.
"It sounds to me like you are probably what Alinski referred to as a "Useful idiot", as are most of the fuck ups in OWS. This is straight up class warfare at this point. How about those kids go take a shower and get a job instead of bitching about how rich everybody else is?"
Yo, Pupton. You know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like you might just be a "Useful Idiot", busy reciting mindless establishment, status-quo talking points. You want to lump all these protesters into one looney-tunes group and dismiss their varoius concerns as not very important.
Go get a job is what most of them would like to do....or keep the job they have, or get back the job they lost, or their Mother lost. Are you for real?
Yes, I am for real. Maybe I shouldn't go into attack mode like the poster above you said. But yes, I am very suspicious (sp) about the motives, idiology, background, etc. of those OWS kids. I think they may have had good intentions before, but there are obvious ties to Democrat talking points & big government redistributionists there. If you really have 99% it should be easy to go and vote some people into office that will make a change and stop the corruption, like Ron Paul.
Orrrrr.....Keep supporting Obama and expecting this shit to stop...are THEY for real????
It's been an interesting conversation, but until you get over your left/right, Dem/Rep divide, and understand that both parties have the same masters, I really don't have time to waste on it anymore. This trying to blame one party or 'ism' is tiring and not useful.
pupton, I agree with your views. You need to get out of attack mode though. I have this conversation almost every day. I used to attack also. I found that it put people on the defensive and we would get nowhere fast. The OWS is being hijacked just as the Tea Party was hijacked. The smart ones will figure this out. Unfortunately most won't. You must remember that real freedom and liberty has been educated out of the 99%. They don't know what it is. Educatiing them is more productive. Most of the OWS think that freedom is the ability to vote and the person you vote for is supposed to take care of you. When it should be that person should be there to protect your liberty.
OK let's suppose those kids actually could find a job (or two) and did, and the protest went away because they were too busy. How does that solve the problem of big government, banksters and crony capitalists ending up with most of what they are paid?
My "neighbors", a couple in their twenties with one child, are renting and saving to buy a house when RE bottoms. To do this they each work three low paying jobs, averaging about 100 hrs a week. One of her jobs is full time nursing assistant with benes so they have healthcare. All the other jobs are "part time" though they often work full hours at three of the others. They get to see their child on Sunday at her parents house. In about five years they might be able to buy a house, if they can keep all the jobs.
Fifty years ago, one non-union factory job working six days (50-60hrs) would net about the real net return of the 200+ hrs this couple is working today, plus they could raise their own child afford another and get by with one car. Few people have the energy level needed to work 100+ hours per wk plus multiple commutes per day, and if they did there would not be enough jobs. If there were enough jobs, those working like this have no time to devote to politics, or critical examination of society.
beat me to it confused
difference is one system admits its doing it one doesnt
this is not class warfare pupton, those are the talking points for the criminals who have run this place, capitalism, and the constitution into the ground. There is always a breaking point for human beings and human history. We are witnessing it. And you are wrong. There are a hundred philosophies out on that street. There is only one running this place.
So Pupton, here is the question? abolish the fed or not? Do you side with liberty or are you just a paid troll?
I'm a Ron Paul Constitutionalist/Libertarian type. Abolish the Fed, bring back sound money (Gold/silver), end Crony Capitalism, yes...But what these people seem to want is a powerful central government to settle some economic scores for them and take wealth from one group and give it to another. That is NOT liberty or justice. (Corny huh?) That is marxism, and it is the enemy of all things good.
No, I am not a "paid troll" and I knew my opinion wouldn't be popular here. If every comment one makes here is popular all the time you're probably a bullshit artist.