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Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill of Rights
There's a list from Mish at the bottom with the only senators possibly worth not tossing out of office. I like Bruce Krasting's plan: Throw the bums out! We may disagree on economic principles, issues like taxes, unions, and abortion, but maybe we can agree on a plan to choke off the pervasive corruption in politics, and get rid of elected officials who are willing to shred the Constitution. See also Washington's "Obama Rings in the New Year By Signing Bill Allowing Indefinite Detention of Americans" and “For Civil Libertarians, The NDAA Is Our Mayan Moment: 2012 Is When The Nation Embraced Authoritarian Powers With Little More Than A Pause Between Rounds Of Drinks” ~ Ilene
Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill of Rights; Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Rachel Maddow Skewer Obama; Road to Tyranny; Complete List of Senatorial Cowards Backing the Bill
Courtesy of Mish
In 9 Things to Say Goodbye To, I lamented on the loss of privacy and free speech.
Unfortunately, the situation is much worse, thanks a huge group of senatorial cowards that wrote and passed a "defense" bill that allows US citizens to be arrested, detained, even sent to Guantanamo, Cuba without being charged with any crimes.
On New Year's Eve Obama Signed Defense Bill Despite 'Reservations'
Obama's Blatant Hypocrisy
The "reservations" Obama has are of his own making. Please consider this skewering of President Obama by Rachel Maddow.
Link if video does not play: Rachel Maddow Skewers Obama
The bill is a clear and direct attack on the Bill of Rights.
Link if video does not play: Rand Paul vs. John McCain
Road to Tyranny
Please consider this video from Larry Wilkerson, retired colonel and former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell.
Link if video does not play: Wilkerson: New Military Powers the Road to Tyranny
"Larry Wilkerson: National Defense Authorization Act that passed the Senate giving the military power for indefinite detention without trial is a draconian violation of our rights"
Ron Paul Say Defense Bill Establishes Martial Law In America
In an interview with Alex Jones on Prison Planet, Ron Paul says Defense Bill Establishes Martial Law In America
Bill Passes Senate 86 to 13
Unfortunately the Indefinite detention bill passed in Senate
Exactly 220 years to the date after the Bill of Rights was ratified, the US Senate today voted 86 to 13 in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, allowing the indefinite detention and torture of Americans.
As RT reported earlier, one provision in NDAA FY2012 will allow for the reinstatement of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” essentially making waterboarding and forms of psychological torture a very possible reality for anyone America deems to be a threat, including its own citizens who, prior to the ruling, had the US Constitution on their side.
Among the corporations which have lobbied in support of NDAA FY2012 are several military contractors, including Honeywell and Bluewater Defense, who together have received millions of dollars in Pentagon guarantees this year alone.
“How long can you hold them? As long as it takes to make us safe,” said Graham.
In his closing marks, Graham ironically recited that in respect to “civil liberties and the American way of life,” US citizens must fight. “If we don’t fight for it, we’re going to lose it.”
Unfit for Office
Any Senator voting on a bill that would allow US citizens to be arrested, detained indefinitely, even sent to Cuba without being formally charged with any crime is no friend or supporter to the US constitution.
Note the absurd irony in Graham's statements. The fight for freedom can never be won by trashing freedoms or the Bill of Rights.
Senator Graham and Senator McCain are both huge hypocrites and cowards.
Indeed, all 86 Senators who voted for that bill are cowards, a hypocrites, and no friend to the United States or the US Constitution.
Even more disgusting, Senator Mark Udall introduced an amendment intended to forbid the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens and even that amendment was rejected by a vote of 38–60.
I do not have a roll call on that, but there are 60 extreme cowards who wrap themselves in a flag while pissing on the Constitution.
13 Courageous Votes
Nay ID Crapo, Michael [R]
Nay ID Risch, James [R]
Nay IL Durbin, Richard [D]
Nay IA Harkin, Thomas [D]
Nay KY Paul, Rand [R]
Nay MD Cardin, Benjamin [D]
Nay MN Franken, Al [D]
Nay OK Coburn, Thomas [R]
Nay OR Merkley, Jeff [D]
Nay OR Wyden, Ron [D]
Nay SC DeMint, Jim [R]
Nay UT Lee, Mike [R]
Nay VT Sanders, Bernard [I]
There you have it. Anyone not on that list voted to trash the constitution. I am particularly pleased by the votes of Senators Jim DeMint, Thomas Coburn, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Michael Crapo, and James Risch.
Those are the only six Republicans willing to stand behind the Constitution.
Senator Rand Paul Explains His Vote
Link if video does not play: Rand Paul's Impassioned Plea
"Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American. ... Justice Scalia said the very core of liberty, secured by our anglo-saxon system of separated powers has been freedom from indefinite imprisonment at the will of the executive. Justice Scalia was, as he often does, following the wisdom of our founding fathers. ... As Franklin wisely warned, those who give up their liberty for security may wind up with neither."
Wikepedia has the Benjamin Franklin quote as follows "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin is correct and Senator Rand Paul was a hero for fighting this bill. Sadly, Rand Paul failed to a collective group of cowards who do not know what the Constitution is about or why we need it.
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And now watch as The Amerikan sheeple re-elect this Bozo back into office, what's astonishing is not the brazen hypocrisy of this wanna-be-dictator it's how calmly and ignorantly the Amerikan public is taking it up the ass(generally speaking because all the Occupy movements and the like are relatively small)
But the fucked thing is that besides Ron Paul, 99% of the candidates on both sides would have also signed it per the orders of their corporate masters.
That's why I want Paul to win Republican nominee, because he'll take this asshole to task for this stupid fucking bill (even if I dont believe Paul should eliminate EVERY govt agency under the sun).
I dont agree with Ann Barnhardt on some things, but she predicted Civil War within ten years. Sounds right if we continue on this track.
Now arrest americas enemies in the white house, congress, senate and states!!! GET TO IT, the FEMA camps are waiting!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html Have fun with this one.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1#.TwKdbGC6S-A Here is another one to ponder.
I've said it before numerous times; Amerika is filled with people that don't have the IQ of a fucking turnip. Nobody gives a shit; they are more interested in "Dancing With The Stars" or who wins the LSU - Alabama football game. The constitution? What the hell is a constitution? The men who died in WWII would absolutely fucking puke if they could see the country they died for today. What a fucking disgrace of a Congress.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
the thing is, most of those who died in ww2 didn't know much about the constitution either.
Morons who watch TV. If you watch it - you have enabled your serfdom because it gives them unlimited power. A nation of morons brainwashed in HD. Hollywood's shit is just as bad. Hope and Change.
The Levin tape will prevent Obama from winning a second term, even if there's a three-way race with a 3rd Party, if it goes viral. MSM won't spread it.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-demanded-power-to-indefinit...
Reading & comprehension? That's a high bar there ese.
People no longer read, or have in-depth conversations anymore. How often do you see two people dining out, sharing "quality time" which consists of texting others & checking their phones every few minutes?
dbl
You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
As long as the 1% gets their cut of the action, Obama will win!
Surely the Supine Court will act decisively to protect Constitutonal Rights!
Oh, to be so young and naive:
"The Dirty Dozen, How Twelve Supreme Court Cases Radically Expanded Government and Eroded Freedom" ISBN: 978-1-935308-27-0
Intended as sarcasm "Supine" LOL
Senator Toomey is the most evil piece of crap. He voted against s.amdt 1125 & 1126 to exclude US citizens. He voted FOR allowing detention to continue even after being found innocent, and of course he voted for passing the NDAA.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm...
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm...
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm...
The Bill of Rights was not destroyed by the NDAA.
The sections of the NDAA people are alarmed about are Sections 1021 and 1022. US citizens are exempt from both sections.
The following is from http://www.winningprogressives.org (A lefty organization)
Section 1021 is tempered somewhat by an 11th hour amendment offered by Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) that provides:
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
[In other words, persons captured or arrested in the US have the same rights they had before the bill was passed.]
In Section 1022, the NDAA mandates military detention for individuals who are members of “Al-Qaeda or an associated force” and that “participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.” (NDAA Sec. 1022(a)(2)). US citizens, however, are expressly exempted from that requirement. (NDAA Section 1022(b)(1)).
http://www.winningprogressive.org/civil-liberties-part-2-the-ndaa-and-in...
Also, from http://lawfare.com (A lefty lawblog)
And, as to lifetime detention of U.S. persons, the bill by its very terms (thanks to an amendment introduced by Senator Feinstein) confirms what would have been the proper reading anyway—namely, that its detention authorization provision (section 1021) does not 'affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.' For good measure, section 1022 also provides that its purported presumption of military detention 'does not extend to citizens of the United States.'
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/the-ndaa-the-good-the-bad-and-the-law...
Thanks to the outcry raised by Internet bloggers and civil rights organizations, the threats originally proposed in sections 1021 and 1022 have been eliminated. Eternal vigilance won the day.
“The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance,” quoted from John Philpot Curran, given on the occasion of his election as Lord Mayor of Dublin in 1790 [Jefferson was not the originator of this quote]
Read it slowly, Pinky.(And note that I am not calling you names.)
The section you quoted protects the "law" and "authorities" as they PERTAIN TO Us citizens, etc. These guys think that the Patriot Act and the law the other gent noted ALREADY allow them to do all these things. They are confirming that.
This will stand up in court. (Which are owned by the same groups anyway.)
1022 says that US citizens don't HAVE TO be held by the military, but they can be.
AMERICA IS OVER.
BurntPinky
You are grasping at straws.
The facts of the matter are quite different.
The NDAA formally asserts that the "battlefield" of the "war on terror" is everywhere, and that the US government may, without trial or even evidence arrest and permanently imprison any citizen of any nation, anywhere (assuming the government does not assassinate that person first)..
That you are reassured because the requirement (but not the permission) to use the military to indefinitely detain US residents has been dropped - only reveals your obtuseness (or worse).
Oh, that makes it any better? This disgrace of a u.s. president who can now be safely characterised as being worse than even gwb had promised to CLOSE guantanamo. Now, he has in fact ordered the construction of a gazillion of new guantanamos. Do you even notice, how arrogant your argument is? From where do the u.s.a. take the right to detain ANYBODY without trial? Imagine, if another country, say, Japan, would pass such a bill, they would effectively of course then say that it would be perfectly legal to detain americans without trial and without any crime comitted somewhere in a japanese prison. Do I already hear your outcry, how they dare to do that?? And yet, it is just the same as your hailed obuma did with this bill. if every country on earth followed this bad example of usa, the whole world would be busy arresting each other. what a brave new world of dictatorship. and the us in right in the centre of it now.
I did not endorse the bill. I corrected the misconception that the bill means that American citizens can be imprisoned indefinitely without a trial or due process. The bill specifically stops the detainment of American citizens without a trial and due process. Instead of screaming at me, read the bill or do a search under "NDAA section 1022."
You have the same rights you had before the bill was psssed. I believe that the government had too much power before the bill was passed. However, that's not the point. The article misstated what was in the bill. People who quote the article are going to lose credibility with people who research the FACTS.
F**k you douche bag. I bet you voted for the muslim though RINOs like phoney Toomey are just as bad. Toomey is no conservative - he is a CS'er.
You need to watch more TV. And research "ad hominem argument."
Feinstein's amendment was crafted to deceive.
This law codifies EXISTING LAW and military JURISDICTION under Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40).
"That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001..."
www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ40/html/PLAW-107publ40.htm
Public Law 107–40 is even cited in section 1021.
The NDAA spells out what they ridiculously claim is "necessary and appropriate force," e.g. indefinite detainment without trial. Since it obviously isn't necessary and appropriate force, there is room to challenge it.
You wrote:
The NDAA spells out what they ridiculously claim is "necessary and appropriate force," e.g. indefinite detainment without trial. Since it obviously isn't necessary and appropriate force, there is room to challenge it.
US citizens and person arrested on US soil cannot be indefinetly detained. The article I responded to misstated the bill. The thrust of the article was to warn people about a danger that did not exist. You have the same rights you had before the bill was passed.
You will make the Obama administration look rational if you try to convince people that because of the NDAA the government can indefinitely detain Amenican citizens without due process.
+1
Feinstein and her hubby have made tens if not hundreds of millions doing business with the Chi Coms. Remember the SKS rifle ban in California? The guns were bought up with taxpayer money on the cheap. Sold to Feinstein Chinese cronies and then reimported to the U.S. for resale.
She is a POS. NDAA lets them do whatever they want to do with us. Feinstein wants us to have the same rights or fewer rights than the Chinese.
So as long as they don't decide we are bad guys we will get our day in Court?
And if they do so decide....our recourse is what?
People are getting alarmed over a danger that does not exist. The article I responded to left the false impression that because of the NDAA anyone can be arrested and detained indefinitely without a trial and due process.
Warning: don't try to convince people that because of the NDAA the government can indefinitely detain you without due process. You're going to lose credibility if you start spreading the false fear that the NDAA authorizes the government to detain American citizens indefinitely without their day in court.
How did the ever popular elder statesman Congressman Dr. Ron Paul vote on NDAA back when it was before the House in May?
This will be tested before the Supreme Court. That Court will overturn this crime against American Citizens. However, how will the Criminals be punished for their Crime? Wide spread knowledge of their act might produce an effort to get them out of office.
But the JOKE is on you my dear ZH band of merry personnel.
This was already in existence. It aint what it appears to be, it was a fact before the advertised fact. The War Acts and other anti-personnel acts and Presidential decrees have lurked in the shadows and in broad daylight under several Presidents. Try Lincoln as a starter.
Please read a book that is an easy educational read by John Silveira called The Coming American Dictatorship. Crappy, wretched, and stupid title, but a easy to read/must read.
Your Rights as a Citizen have been gone for quite a while.
Appreciate any feedback of any kind about this book. I would like to find out that this is a fraud. The documentation appears depressingly solid.
That kind of documentation? #OSS #CIA #ESF #FED quadrature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ssrcD5GdPQ
I think you are on the right track. The eventual and targetted goal is the new world order. Global domination by the rich and most are the descendents of Ashken...
Look at me I am afraid to say it.
mispost
So does anyone have any first hand info on how the US Officer Corp, all of whom have sworn to uphold the constitution, view these developments? All the officers I have known have been decent, intelligent, and patriotic in a good way, how does this sit with them I wonder. The top can't control the bottom without the help of those in the middle.
If ever there was a case for ending the professional military forces - particularly the Army - and replacing it with a draft, this is it. An army comprised at the base, the lowest ranks, of draftees would be far less likely to turn on the general population. I would think that, had our military been comprised of many draftees, the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan and the long affair in Iraq would have ended earlier. Voters like Mom and Dad would want their sons and daughters home, not endlessly rotated into and out of the combat zones. At least that's how it worked back when I enlisted in the USAF in 1969.
I'm an officer, a mustang (former e5), I left active service (as did many other friends and superiors, and instructors) because of the unlawful use of military force, abuse of national guard forces, immoral wars, and dangerous trajectory of the country. At this point, anyone O-6 and above is likely more a political tool than anything else. I don't have large means, but I'm buying gold, silver, miners, and increasing supplies of ammunition and supplies. I suggest you do the same. God pray we will never have a necessity for the latter in any circumstance other than on a fair day with friends and good times at the range. I am very concerned for my country.
The good news is that most of the military is on the side of the people, as the good General said. There is also a sizable contingent in the intelligence service on the same side (CIA, NSA, NRO) - just extrapolate Ron Paul's support from the military to those areas as well. homeland security is the wild card. They hand out GS-12 positions to "Janitors" and people with only a HS diploma like they're out of style. Everyone I ever served with or had the pleasure of working with for a length of time, three letter agency or DoD took their oath of office pretty seriously. I hold mine most dear. There are more people who support the idea of orgs like oathkeepers.org than won't officially be members, or do much public supporting. They don't want to endanger their positions or personal situations unless things are getting pretty bad.
As in all totalitarian societies, there will be purges of the officer corps. The ones that that believe the Constitution is more important than their superiors will have to go. They will be marginalized gradually. As long as TPTB doesn't get too aggressive and cull too many at once, they'll probably be able to pull it off. It's like boiling frogs. This is an ongoing process that's still going to take some time to complete. Stalin's USSR is a fair model. The news media needs to be under absolute control to make it work. No one can be allowed to communicate their displeasure to any like-minded people. Ideally everyone will be too afraid to do so.
Blogs such as this are monitored. The NSA's budget is secret, but no doubt very large.
The US military has a unique foundational and philisophical culture that in addition to deep understanding about the origins of our nation, and the military's place, is based on dispersed chain of command authority as opposed to the Saddam Iraqi model from which every command detail came from the center of control (general staff), this was also observed at the end of the German military in WWII. In the US forces, subordinate units have the authority to carry out the mission within constraints of commander's intent and UCMJ, The US Constitution, and Geneva Conventions. For subordinate units (platoon, sqad, combat team) to have this much flexibility, they must have also a clear understanding of their operational constraints and command principles. It must be second nature. In spite of situations like Abu Ghraib, My Lai, and other outliers, it is pounded into NCOs, and the lower enlisted man as to what are lawful orders, and which are not. It is also of course, core material for all officers and senior NCOs UCMJ 809[890]ART.92 -
The sheer institutional momentum of this culture and the deep interwovenness into the very basis of the US military makes it highly improbable that military forces could ever be effectively and sustainably used in a unlawful way. The CIA, NSA and Homeland security are another story of course. They do not fall under UCMJ, and would be more easily co-opted. The CIA and NSA have their own deep institutional culture however, and would be more resistant to abject illegal orders. Again, Homeland Security is the wildcard, in addition to other goofy agencies like BATF-E, DEA, IRS, Federal Reserve (the Federal Reserve has their own army of SWAT teams, did you know that?) etc.
It's important to keep focused on these vulnerable areas. That's where you'll start to see the first crumblings and incursions.
Thinking through this inspired me to do a post war gaming this subject over here www.freedomofoceania.blogspot.com. Stay tuned.
SgtShaftoe,
Great news,as long as I am left alone, and my fellow Americans I will just stand at the ready.
The Oath says what it means, and means what it says.
Lets see the Janitors take on just regular Americans who are prepared,have been, and for a long time before they were thought of.
We OWE far to much to FAR too many who never got to live a life, to allow this to stand.
Semper Fi
I think you are correct, Sgt., but we all need to start talking about this, repetitively and widely.
I fear that the moment of decision will come.
Udall's S.Amdt.1112:
At the end of section 1031, add the following:
(f) Extension to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens.–The authority of the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons under this section extends to citizens of the United States and lawful resident aliens of the United States, except to the extent prohibited by the Constitution of the United States.
"http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867:"
This is the real Mark Udall:
Mark Udall and Ron Wyden both voted FOR warrantless wiretaps – twice this year and in the same period they got favorable publicity for coming out against warrantless wiretaps.
“http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-19"
“http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm..."
“http://www.opencongress.org/blog/Mark+Udall”
Rand Paul
Eloquent and patriotic. I supported Obama energetically. He has lost me.
you had me at...
There is suggestion of a time or no time limit on this desease. Overall America is fighting the simtyms and not the cause for these terrorists attacks or thoughts to attack.
On the other hand if 9/11 was not done by aliens but by friends of the committee to re-elect the president then you can see the snake is swallowing its tail.
The real masters of America are the same masters of the IMF, WB, BIS, etc.
LOL Your muslim will put you in the gulag. Nice job.
The scum RINOs like Toomey, McCain, Graham and any Repubs who voted for this need to be primaried out.
Thankfully my freedom is not granted or governed by the Constitution. We are either free or we are not........you choose every day which it will be. Perhaps you should choose more wisely.
Fifth Amendment?
Old Fashioned!
Who needs individual liberties with mother government to protect us?
Komrades!
All hail Amerika!
All hail the U.S.S.A.!
Cit and Wells Fargo and Chase and Goldman Sachs and their paid politicos on the right and the left will save us!
All hail the new world order!
(/sarc off, gag!)
p.s. - Thanks to Rachel Maddow for not bending over; let's see FOX do the same.
:(((((
Osama wins.
R.I.P. America.
America was still-born. Choose life instead of death, then you may live. Taxation in time, will reap death. End taxation that you may live.