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Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill of Rights
There's a list from Mish at the bottom with the only senators possibly worth not tossing out of office. I like Bruce Krasting's plan: Throw the bums out! We may disagree on economic principles, issues like taxes, unions, and abortion, but maybe we can agree on a plan to choke off the pervasive corruption in politics, and get rid of elected officials who are willing to shred the Constitution. See also Washington's "Obama Rings in the New Year By Signing Bill Allowing Indefinite Detention of Americans" and “For Civil Libertarians, The NDAA Is Our Mayan Moment: 2012 Is When The Nation Embraced Authoritarian Powers With Little More Than A Pause Between Rounds Of Drinks” ~ Ilene
Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill of Rights; Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Rachel Maddow Skewer Obama; Road to Tyranny; Complete List of Senatorial Cowards Backing the Bill
Courtesy of Mish
In 9 Things to Say Goodbye To, I lamented on the loss of privacy and free speech.
Unfortunately, the situation is much worse, thanks a huge group of senatorial cowards that wrote and passed a "defense" bill that allows US citizens to be arrested, detained, even sent to Guantanamo, Cuba without being charged with any crimes.
On New Year's Eve Obama Signed Defense Bill Despite 'Reservations'
Obama's Blatant Hypocrisy
The "reservations" Obama has are of his own making. Please consider this skewering of President Obama by Rachel Maddow.
Link if video does not play: Rachel Maddow Skewers Obama
The bill is a clear and direct attack on the Bill of Rights.
Link if video does not play: Rand Paul vs. John McCain
Road to Tyranny
Please consider this video from Larry Wilkerson, retired colonel and former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell.
Link if video does not play: Wilkerson: New Military Powers the Road to Tyranny
"Larry Wilkerson: National Defense Authorization Act that passed the Senate giving the military power for indefinite detention without trial is a draconian violation of our rights"
Ron Paul Say Defense Bill Establishes Martial Law In America
In an interview with Alex Jones on Prison Planet, Ron Paul says Defense Bill Establishes Martial Law In America
Bill Passes Senate 86 to 13
Unfortunately the Indefinite detention bill passed in Senate
Exactly 220 years to the date after the Bill of Rights was ratified, the US Senate today voted 86 to 13 in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, allowing the indefinite detention and torture of Americans.
As RT reported earlier, one provision in NDAA FY2012 will allow for the reinstatement of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” essentially making waterboarding and forms of psychological torture a very possible reality for anyone America deems to be a threat, including its own citizens who, prior to the ruling, had the US Constitution on their side.
Among the corporations which have lobbied in support of NDAA FY2012 are several military contractors, including Honeywell and Bluewater Defense, who together have received millions of dollars in Pentagon guarantees this year alone.
“How long can you hold them? As long as it takes to make us safe,” said Graham.
In his closing marks, Graham ironically recited that in respect to “civil liberties and the American way of life,” US citizens must fight. “If we don’t fight for it, we’re going to lose it.”
Unfit for Office
Any Senator voting on a bill that would allow US citizens to be arrested, detained indefinitely, even sent to Cuba without being formally charged with any crime is no friend or supporter to the US constitution.
Note the absurd irony in Graham's statements. The fight for freedom can never be won by trashing freedoms or the Bill of Rights.
Senator Graham and Senator McCain are both huge hypocrites and cowards.
Indeed, all 86 Senators who voted for that bill are cowards, a hypocrites, and no friend to the United States or the US Constitution.
Even more disgusting, Senator Mark Udall introduced an amendment intended to forbid the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens and even that amendment was rejected by a vote of 38–60.
I do not have a roll call on that, but there are 60 extreme cowards who wrap themselves in a flag while pissing on the Constitution.
13 Courageous Votes
Nay ID Crapo, Michael [R]
Nay ID Risch, James [R]
Nay IL Durbin, Richard [D]
Nay IA Harkin, Thomas [D]
Nay KY Paul, Rand [R]
Nay MD Cardin, Benjamin [D]
Nay MN Franken, Al [D]
Nay OK Coburn, Thomas [R]
Nay OR Merkley, Jeff [D]
Nay OR Wyden, Ron [D]
Nay SC DeMint, Jim [R]
Nay UT Lee, Mike [R]
Nay VT Sanders, Bernard [I]
There you have it. Anyone not on that list voted to trash the constitution. I am particularly pleased by the votes of Senators Jim DeMint, Thomas Coburn, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Michael Crapo, and James Risch.
Those are the only six Republicans willing to stand behind the Constitution.
Senator Rand Paul Explains His Vote
Link if video does not play: Rand Paul's Impassioned Plea
"Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American. ... Justice Scalia said the very core of liberty, secured by our anglo-saxon system of separated powers has been freedom from indefinite imprisonment at the will of the executive. Justice Scalia was, as he often does, following the wisdom of our founding fathers. ... As Franklin wisely warned, those who give up their liberty for security may wind up with neither."
Wikepedia has the Benjamin Franklin quote as follows "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin is correct and Senator Rand Paul was a hero for fighting this bill. Sadly, Rand Paul failed to a collective group of cowards who do not know what the Constitution is about or why we need it.
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In a chapter of The Gulag Archipelago, Soltzinytsin exhaustively details the creeping legalization of State Totalitarianism in the Soviet Union. In fact, it took longer to institutionalise tyranny in SOVIET RUSSIA than it has in the United States, if one uses 9/11 as a starting point.
A.S. makes the point that the Soviet Secret Police and the Gulag System they operated were both obsessed with the legality of what they were doing, especially as the MORALITY of what they were doing became utterly indefensible.
Laws in a just society exist to back moral concepts with the force of the State, so that society may function and justice may prevail. When eternal moral concepts back the law, the law is supreme, and no man is above the law. By contrast, laws in a tyranny serve to enslave the people for the enrichment of the elite. In a tyranny, the moral supremacy in inverted- man is supreme, against his fellow men, and all the evils that the moral foundation opposes, the tyrant manifests.
If the tyranny begins with an ideological premise, the loss of morality is excused as neccessary to bring about the neeeded "change". If the tyranny begins with a security crisis, the loss of morality is excused as neccessary to meet the crisis. In either case, the excuse for scrapping the moral foundation of the law is that the "end justifies the means". But once the moral basis of the law is scrapped, all that is left are the sociopaths who use the moral vacuum to enslave the people.
God help us, and vote for Ron Paul!
Here is how tyrany in America started, quoting from the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall have power to ... lay and collect taxes".
Sorry, no person or group of people, no matter how many, no matter what ritual they choose to call it, such as voting, or putting their ideas on fancy paper, (Constitution), and getting lots of people to agree, gives anyone the right to steal, and therefor never can any person or group ever have the "power" to "lay and collect taxes". Consenting to pay for a service that is offered is OK, then you have a fee for something of value you consent to, or if you don't want what they offer, you choose not to pay. Violate this principle and you sow misery,conflict, suffering, and even death.
Our declaration at the center of our victorious revolution stated that government obtains its just power from the consent of the governed. But taking someone's justly obtained property without permission is theft! Claiming to be able to give a body power to empower such a theft is to give licence for extortion and murder! Such an evil seed wil attract those who wish to use that power to prey upon others, as was the case in America as soon at the first president took office. If it wan't one group of criminals that sought to take us over it would have been another. And what was their ultimate "prize" they sought? The power to lay, and collect "taxes".
People, plant an evil seed, reap and evil harvest, as we are experiencing now. So why should Americans be so surprised when their, (and other), "governments", kill and harm millions of people all over this world?
So instead, deny anyone any special power to impose their will upon another who has harmed no one. Then we will transform our planet from systems based on violence to systems based on voluntary exchange; seek for genuine and lasting equality under universally recognized law that in turn makes civilization possible among those who desire peace. Please think about it.
Please watch: "I'm Allowed to rob you!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE
I agree with you. But...
I don't understand how we can have individuals exercise monopoly rights over natural resources (ie, land ownership) without some overarching coercive force to grant, regulate, and ensure those rights. If this force is not a monopoly, I don't see how even genuine disagreements over ownership can be sorted out without civil war breaking out. So it seems to me you have to have a government of some kind, and it has to be paid for. How can this be done without some form of taxation?
From what I've seen, this is an area that is not thought about by a lot of anarchists or even libertarians, and is one I think needs more exploring. If any ZHers have looked into this I'd be interested to hear their thoughts and recommendations for further reading.
Hi BigJim:
Being able to productively use a particular piece of land is not "monopoly rights" over natural resources. Rights to obtain resources at a particular place and time, is hardly a "monopoly" unless you have the only source in the entire system at that one location. Please study how much cooperation existed in pre-state California during the gold-rush for some examples of how voluntary exchange can work relating to what you are maybe thinking about here. Most miners were armed, and also defense services were available for hire, and it was hardly the "wild west" that hollywood loves to portray. The natural state of most adults is cooperation and peaceful resolution of conflicts, it is the very few who, absent some prior justification, attempt to initiate force agains others. When every one has strict equality of rights, then everyone is truly equal under the law. You can hire people if you think you need protection. Likewise you can seek peaceful resolution of disputes.
Here is a way you can have conflict: when people cannot eventually agree on what "just" possession of property is. In such a situation, conflict could be in the nature of things, no matter who thinks they have a "lawful" monopoly of force. In practice, a culture has well defined rules as to what "just" possession is, it is usually a matter of the determination of the actual facts of a situation that dictates what civilized people will come to decide is a "just" resolution to a particular dispute and often it is monopoly law that is the major hindrance to such justice. This is why free market arbitration, or free market adjudication is so superior to monopoly justice. Remember that those who have such a monopoly will insist that you be forced to pay for their "service" whether they are even able to be "just" or are in fact a criminal gang. The minute you give some entity a monopoly of "law" and/or a monopoly of "defense"/"enforcement", you give those of evil intent a fat prize to posses to your detriment.
Here is some additional material for you on free market defense/enforcement/insurance:
An Interview With Hans-Herman Hoppe
But Wouldn't Warlords Take Over - Robert P. Murphy - Mises Daily
Chapter 13 Defense Services on the Free Market - - Mises Institute
How did you get more Human Rights than me- - Anarch.me
Road to Rothbard Free Market Defense and Protection
Stefan Molyneux Interviewed on Mental Self Defense Radio - YouTube
Wouldn't a private defense agency become criminal, or turn into a dictatorship, etc - YouTube
Here is more on free market law/adjudication/arbitration:
Criminal Justice in a Stateless Society - Forbes
Justice Without the State
The Metta Center – Restorative Justice
The Myth Of The Rule Of Law
Here is a little I can quickly find for you on the American West:
The Culture of Violence in the American West- Myth versus Reality- The Independent Review- The Independent Institute
Thanks for the links - I'll check them out.
Very well framed foundation. I am voting for myself and will win as Ron Paul. This shit is really fun, the wait to know the truth of our entire evolution is being released before 12/22/12. 9/9/12. You can either be the first or the last but you can't be both!
Very well framed foundation. I am voting for myself and will win as Ron Paul. This shit is really fun, the wait to know the truth of our entire evolution is being released before 12/22/12. 9/9/12. You can either be the first or the last but you can't be both!
The NDAA is not "law", it is a Tyrannical Decree. Never surrender to these moneychangers...
Dikat. Nothing like pain to force the final evolution forward. Ying and yang until the balanced is reached. But it will still happen in 2052 no matter what nine originating countries' power people thought.
Using 3D occult tools against America? Nine of you dancing around a fire in circles like a bunch of eunachs. That is about how old your 'modern' supercomputer pyramid based math tool is, couple thousand years old. Better than most but at this point if you could access the 4th dimension and got all the information on how to win any war any time, instead you would abandon the effort because once you know you can never go back. There is only the first and last and vice-versa. The foundation dictates the frame and it was not possible until recently to actually use 4D tools. I will show the math to you but will you make the right choice even when you know 97.6% correct?
Didn't you learn from Hitler? You can't use a 3D tool for a 4D problem. It creates a paradox that acclerates its own demise. Only someone in the 4th dimension can give you the code to access it.
*puffs* this is some strong shit you got yourself here *passes joint and collapses*
I think you are referring to the 5th dimension and the dawning of the age of aquarias.
no thank you. I will pass on that grape drink.
Only someone in the 4th dimension can give you the code to access it.
So, do tell, oh guardian of wisdom!
A new photo of our Nobel Peace Prize Laureate president celebrating the signing of the NDAA bill into law at Kilauea.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73405415@N03/6625568709/in/photostream
Stop influencing the metaclorians! They get agitated when you talk about the wisdom of using 4,000 year old models.
So WHERE is this "revolution" you folks keep talking about, wishing for, hoping for?
There was no "revolution" when the Patriot Act became law.
And there won't be any "revolution" now that the BOR has been officially destroyed.
And there won't be any "revolution" EVER.
America will NOT be saved.
Save YOURSELF instead.
Guys everyone needs to realize this NDAA is just a piece of the puzzle. The Patriot act, creation of DHS and TSA, the controversial but not yet law SOPA bill, all of this is no accident. It's part of a Coup 'de tat that began with the theft of the 2000 election and subsequent theft of the 2004 election. Obama was a "brand" enough of us bought into to ensure his election. And as we've seen the neo-cons didn't miss a beat. Question is, what do we do from here?
How about pull your head out of your ass and quit pretending there are actually two parties running this f*****g circus.
Oh absolutely, you stupid drip. AlGore and J. Kerry would have made a world of difference...more ZOGsters.
The US is legally a police state. Anyone talking about the Constitution needs to be challenged and corrected.
It is OVER.
Get citenship in a 2nd country quick just in case. Buy gold to take your money off grid. Special thanks to ZH reader who mentioned comparegoldprices.com.
still flogging that site, troll?
Is he a troll? I thought he was a spammer.
I weep for my country and all of those who died for the very rights that are being stripped from us each day. The inflection point is growing close where there is no way to right this listing ship. All hands to the lifeboats. No real reaction from any of the media. While Nero fiddled, we have the Kardashians.....
I will say it again "The most successful military attack in all of history was done by the 911 hijackers on less than 500k. All of the real damage was done by ourselves to ourselves as we willingly gave up the very freedoms we hold so dear and spent money creating greater and greater debts that will enslave our children.
I want Ron Paul to win but also realize that Liberty and Freedom will be blamed, not the past decades of short sighted choices if anything happens on his watch.
Our country has become nothing but a empty shell. Zero hedge is but an island in an ocean of lies.
+1 for most of what you say but -1 for actually believing there were highjackers. 9/11 was an inside job and the sooner that it exposed the sooner the revolution will come and those responsible will be ung in a public square for all to see.
Keep watching TV and Hollywood's crap - morons. Your viewership enabled it and supports it each time you switch on the set.
That's really profound, Freddie!
But tell me this... how do Hollywood know I've switched on my set? Have they got, like, TV-is-on detectors?
I suppose I should look away from any magazine adverts or newspapers or billboards, too, as they'll have the same revenue collection mechanisms in place, no doubt.
Re. Jim
One of the dumbest comments I've seen here in a while. I have neither the time nor the patience to explain why.
The 9/11 attacks were engineered by members of the Bush administration, Israel, England, and the Saudis with overall planning by the central bankers. If you really think that hijackers operating from a cave pulled off 9/11 then you are either lying to yourself or lying to us.
three massive buildings, destroyed with nothing more than boxcutters?... agreed, a total farce. but don't you worry, we will get Emanuel Goldstein this time.
"They hate us for our freedoms- that's why they attacked us!"
Our strategy- "If we give up our freedoms, they won't hate us any more!"
Fucking brilliant.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articles/By_Way_of_Deception.htm
If freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose then it stands to reason that as long as you have something to loose you will never be free.
And if all our freedoms are gone , then we have nothing left to lose and so we are free?
Sorry. I can't stand this anymore, coming from from my learned colleagues here on ZH.
It's "lose," not "loose," damn it!!!
And I know the drill... Junk away, my friends..
That's just one I'm sick of seeing.
One of the best encapsulations of Buddhism I've seen.
Ding. . . Ding. . . . Ding. . . Ding. . . Ding. . . Ding
that's great, makes great sense. That is why they hate us, and why the gov is trying to get us to give up all our freedoms! Then the whole problem will be resolved. Damn, it's so simple when you finally see the light.
Rollo Tamasi, One of the best posts in a long while and spot on. Three of my family gave their lives in defending our country. All who served and died would be sick with grief if they witnessed what our leaders have done to our country. Everyone should have a lifeboat plan in place if they can afford one. Sad times for a once great country........
Placing an embargo around Iran and goading them into action is the same tactic used on Japan and we all know how Japan reacted. Dec 7, 1941. As we become more sophisticated with our communcation and weapons and response times the cycle of history repeating itself speeds up. Just like a terd going down the toilet hole.
ZH is walking on the higher plain and looking into what is happening. Can it be stopped? I doubt it because it is taking generations to perpetuate. The only common denominator is the required inbreeding of the puppet masters.
I've been around for quite awhile and I no longer recognize this country. It's like being in a nightmare or a Kafka novel. So sad.
There was this kid's show in the 70s called HR Puff n Stuff. A kid gets on a boat that looks great and then the boat turns evil after he is out at sea. That is what this change in our country reminds me of. What looked great has changed, and there is no getting off.
It was a great show. I loved it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cshdzAtBW4M
Stop all this weeping and whining. ZOG is frightened. And rightly so. They know we're out here. Invest in lead.
Mazel Tov
Divine Fart, your days are numbered.
So everyone died in vain......the end? Unbelievable. You lack conviction, this nation will ultimately be better served by your departure. Please take as many like-minded individuals as you can with you when you go. I hear Greece is nice this time of year.
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Actually Lunatic, everyone dies for a purpose in the 3D universe. That is the good news. No worries, in 2052 you can decide to stay and explore for 14B years or you can come into the 4th dimension. You'll know the truth very soon and I believe you may find it quite hillarious indeed.
Actually I am acutely aware of, and secure in, my understanding of the meaning and purpose of this life. What a pity that so many here profess an understanding that freedom has a price tag, yet cower in the darkness waiting for someone else to save their lazy, selfish, cowardly asses.