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Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:27 | 1824185 Chuck Walla
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What does this mean? At a basic level it means just what it illustrates: that mainstream media people are completely  out of touch with the electorate. 


This is news?  And how behind the times is dear authorette?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:22 | 1824179 hedlykarok
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I would like to remind everyone that RP isn't the only game in town, and it's not too late.

Gary Johnson has been subjected to much more blackballing than Ron ever has. There are several resons for this. He has a very similar libertarian philosophy to Ron but without the religious baggage. He actually DID something in NM regarding the phony drug war instead of just using it for talking points (except when the audience would boo it). He would use a cost/benefit analysis to dictate appropriations, leading to -as he stated - a 43% reduction in MCC largesse. Ron just hints at the these issues, leaving just enough room for him to wiggle over to the talibagger side. Gary also has a keen sense of the preamble to the Constitution (an area the talibaggers seems to have ignored completely):

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."   (emphasis added)

I plan to register Repube just to vote for him in the primary, then go back to no affiliation for 2012.


Sun, 10/30/2011 - 01:33 | 1825791 jeff montanye
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yes.  johnson is an attractive candidate.  and it may very well be that, should either he or paul get close to power the government assassins would step in.  the system may not be able to be reformed.   however since finding a bit more out by registering republican and voting for either johnson or paul is so costless and easy, why not find out?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:17 | 1824171 chistletoe
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The candidacy of Ron Paul,

and most of the comments and commentators in this thread,

presuppose that the "system" can be repaired from within.


There are certain problems with that.

The system of capitalism relies for its existence on the reasonable expectation of future growth, or in other words, the existence of as-yet-unconquered frontiers.  But there are no such generally-recognized openings today.  Hope is gone.


The system of economic cooperation which are in place today are heavily dependent upon cheap, convenient, reliable energy sources.  One gallon of gasoline contains the equivalent potential to do the same work as 414 man/hours.  The media have consistently lied and misconstrued the fact of "peak oil"

as a theory and as a limit to the amount of undiscovered and untapped oil existing in the earth's crust -- but that was NEVER the contention of Hubbert, Simmons, et al ... the simple fact is that the amount of worldwide PRODUCTION has gone into ireevocable decline....  and, since few people study physics anymore, neither wind nor solar nor biomass have the slightest chance of replacing gasoline, and proposing hydrogen is patently absurd since there isn't any.


and what this means for the world is first of all that food production is following in an irrevocable decline,

and worldwide population is also following into irrevocable decline.


In the next twenty years, from 1 to 4 billion people must die "unexpectedly".


And if the people of the USA and the world cannot decline gracefully in number and in lifestyles, then they will do so most violently.

Given human history, the latter is far, far more likely.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:25 | 1824654 earleflorida
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- thankyou for such an optimistic  comment - 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:10 | 1824100 SheHunter
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Each time I'm ready to jump in and support RP I hear him re-state his "pro-life" stance and I back away.  Another over-60 white guy believing government belongs in my bedroom and between my legs.  The day he drops the anti-abortion stance is the day he'll have my, and many other women's vote.  You reading this Mr. Paul?  How about you drop the hypocrisy and allow us women to join your cause?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:32 | 1824191 bxy
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You need to do a little more research......He personally is pro life, but he is the only politician who believes he should not be able to push his opinions on to others.  He believes the federal government has no business in those personal decisions.  Freedom & liberty meaning personal responsibility and you can take care of yourself and make your own decisions.  I think you are used to the establishment politician getting all up in your shit.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 13:45 | 1824456 SheHunter
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Sat, 10/29/2011 - 13:43 | 1824455 SheHunter
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I read and appreciate both your comments back to me.  And you may be right about RP being personally opposed to abortion but understanding he cannot push his beliefs on others. 

One thing to ponder...IF that is how he feels WHY does he never finish his "I am pro-life" statement with "But I also understand that I can not try to push that belief onto other Americans".  The day he lets me know he respects my beliefs on par with his own beliefs on this issue is the day I will believe he is not just another GOP politician saying what he thinks will get him onto the GOP ticket.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 01:46 | 1825816 jeff montanye
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i have been pro choice since i helped in an abortion referral clinic in '71 when the only legal state was new york.  and i am voting for ron paul.  since campaigning for obama i have seen so little that i like from this administration and so much that is making bipartisan the worst excesses of bush the younger, that i would rather have something good than, on balance, less than nothing good.  

most of the things best about paul's candidacy (end the foreign wars, restore civil liberties, transparency and the rule of law, end the bailouts, radically alter the war on drugs, etc.) require little congressional approval.  his more problematic policies (in my view), such as abortion rights and dismantling regulation, will need such approval.  perhaps the democratic party might be reformed a bit too, in opposition.  it is certainly being further corrupted in governing.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:32 | 1824119 nmewn
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Thats not his position...and I can't support him for other reasons.

His position is, its not the federal governments business what you do in your bedroom or with your body. That is a state concern...if they even bother to concern themselves with it at all.

What you have is those on the left using Paul as a wedge to fracture the right and those on the right saying Paul supporters are a Fifth Column sent to destroy from within.

A genuine tragic comedy if it weren't so damned serious.


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:44 | 1824133 SheHunter
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The abortion issue is not a state level decision.  My right to make personal decisions that affect no one but myself (and please skip the human from conception BS) are constitutional decisions.  Period.  Granting states the right to decide on this issue will assure abortion becomes illegal in a number of states.  That is unconstitutional and not even worth discussing.  More and more I hear the phrase "this is a decision that needs made at the state level" as an excuse when a politician does not want to state his/her stance on a controversial issue.  Men- you too are affected by the anti-abortion stance so raise your voices with us women.  We're all in bed together on this.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 18:57 | 1825212 nmewn
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"Granting states the right to decide on this issue will assure abortion becomes illegal in a number of states."

Who grants who rights? I'm not sure I can even respond to something like this.

Are you really sittin around thinkin any central government can grant any right? All they can do is support a right already in place or make a law against a right that is already there.

They grant no rights to me or you.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:36 | 1824679 Escapeclaws
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And Shrub won the election thanks to the Supreme Court. Law of the land. Accept it and get over it. Period.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:11 | 1824595 Escapeclaws
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What is it about you women that want to abort your babies? You would think a mother would want to raise her child. Totally weird.

I think it is due to money. Prostitutes are usually women who can't get by and are forced to sell themselves for money.  Women have abortions because they fear they won't be able to get by or will be ruining the quality of their lives and their financial prospects if they have the baby.  It's fundamentally a question of money for both. It's humanly understandable, but not many women are out there defending a prostitute's right to sell her body--ie, do with her body as she pleases.

What a boring issue, if it weren't so sordid!


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:11 | 1824510 iconoclast63
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"My right to make personal decisions that affect no one but myself"


You mean like gambling? Prostitution? Drugs?

Dr. Paul is EXACTLY correct that these decisions should be properly left up to the state. Just like most of them have been since the founding of the republic. The vision of our republic as a complex and diverse mixture of different cultures as you criss cross it from sea to shining sea is what RP sees as a return to the original intent of the founders. Each state, just like each sovereign nation, has every right to constitute a government based on the philosophy and desires of the governed. It is precisely the notion that a centralized federal government has the authority to dictate every detail and decision regarding the complexion of our culture that has created the homogenized country where freedom of choice is quickly becoming a thing of the past. If the overwhelming majority of the citizens of a given state determine that abortion is repugnant to them, they should have the right to make laws accordingly. As a consequence, for the millions in the US who agree, they have a place they can call home and likewise the millions who disagree will have plenty states without similar laws that they can call home.

It is the arrogance of those who deign to hand down to all the final word on right and wrong that give the unjust and omnipotent power to the federal government that the founders were so afraid of and never intended. The idea of self-governance is risky, as there is always room for mistakes but as long as there are 50 states with rights of self-determination, we will always be able to vote with our feet when all else fails.

The true enemies of freedom are arrogance and fear. Learn to trust that most of the time the people will get it right, and when they don't, you can always choose somewhere else to hang your hat.


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:20 | 1824645 earleflorida
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yep,... and look how its working out for the "EUC"?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 16:44 | 1824860 iconoclast63
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I assume by EUC you mean European Union Commission or, European Union. If that is what you mean, I fail to see any similarity between that political union and the republic created by the U.S. constitution.

Did you have a question?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 22:38 | 1825535 earleflorida
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i suppose i have to spell it out for ya -  "european union community" 


@ onthesquare ___ trivial pursuit - the electoral college will sort things out [?], you say -

let's see,... diabold & sequia furnish the bulk of electronic voting machines via the [sic] "u.s. election commission"

ref: http://www.votingmachines.procon.org

q.e.d. -- how does Las Vegas make its $$$

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:51 | 1826654 iconoclast63
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You have yet to communicate a single point that means anything .... do you speak english?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:37 | 1824198 bxy
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He's not granting the states anything.  He realizes he does not have the power to grant any rights to anyone thing.  He knows he is not a dictator.  Rights not mentioned explicitly in the constitution are left up to states.  The states can make decisions for themselves just like individuals.....meaning they both are free to make decisions that we may or not agree with.....I think your personal hang ups on the abortion issue are distorting what is the truth about Dr. Paul's views.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:39 | 1824080 paratrooper325
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What amazes me, is how Soros is behind this. Did he not back Obama with huge campaign contributions? Does he not attend the Bildeberger meetings yearly? Who else was at these meetings recently? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, big wigs at Amazon, Facebook, the NSA, Kissinger, Microsoft and the list continues. 

Was it not one of Soros's numerous "entities" who brought a number of young and impressionable Arabs over here last year where they learned how to use social media to organize protests in the MENA region? The whole region is in chaos. The shadow decision makers are slowly implementing chaos so they can bring in a new system across the globe. The plan will take a long time but it will happen.


Let's see this for what it is. Slow proliferation of more control via technology. The end result will be more infiltration into every aspect of your internet life(thank you Patriot Act), all monetary exchanges performed only throughout the internet(like we are not there already), and more confusion on what is really going on. These movements are controlled and orchastrated by people behind the scenes with one agenda, control. Fuck Soros, fuck our leaders, and fuck the idiots who are too dumb and blind ot open their eyes. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:07 | 1824619 earleflorida
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"Soros/ Rogers' - Quantum Fund"

Ref: http://www.oilgeopolitics.net/Financial_Tsunami/The_Financial_Tsunami_Pa...

1/28/2008 - F. William Engdahl 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:12 | 1824054 jm
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Grow up, twits.  This guy is writing a commercial ad for Ron Paul.

Believe in yourselves and take care of yourselves.  Stop believing that a politician is anything less than a scumbag. 

Revolutions turn idealists into monsters and kill the zealots that brought them about.  You don't want one.


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 07:36 | 1823991 resaci
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Sat, 10/29/2011 - 07:36 | 1823990 mogul rider
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As Gerald Celente pointed out 2 years ago, the evolution of the desperate and hopeless youth into a revolutionary force will happen. It will start with protests and morph into something far more sinister, serious and dangerous.

An entire generation brought up on war video games goes viral as they learn that it really is easy to pull the trigger in real life. The sociopath will rise.

That my friends is why gold and silver are key. A ducking fumbass with a pistol and no hope will want your wife, your daughter, your son, or gold. Luring him with a coin so you can escape will be the order of the day.

Or until he turns his head to stare at the precious and you blow his head off. Then you turn to see the 300 zombies behind him and realize you only 299 bullets

Your choices are few.

My m16 is locked and loaded. (Not kidding)

301 pieces of gold/silver

The zombies have awoken and they will not rest till they eat.


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:10 | 1824051 CH1
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There are a lot of idiots out there, but most people are basically decent. (Albeit confused.)

There will be no zombie apocalypse, though there may be some shooting required, which totally sucks.

The answer is to NOT wait for the collapse, but to start building our own new systems now. Barter, metal-based commerce, Bitcoin, and so on. We're the people who make everything work anyway - we don't have to use the systems that the moron politicians foist upon us.

Self-reliance starts NOW. Dump the state like the Dark Ages relic it is.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 07:28 | 1823988 onthesquare
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The Electorial College will make the final decision on who sits in the White House.  Where these Electors come from...well one can only guess but i suggest you follow the money.

Bottom line is the President does what he is told (advised) to do or he will end up like Lincoln and Kennedy.


Sat, 10/29/2011 - 05:22 | 1823932 Pondmaster
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Social Media ? How Novel ! You would think that the exponential growth rate of social media would NOT be the elephant in the room for the MSM . But alas....    MSM masters have turned them all brain dead . Follow the markets vein , which is made by the people and you have your answer .  Follow Ipad, Android growth and again an answer . To a man America is beginning to shun the MSM endless propaganda stream .  About time !!

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:47 | 1823865 mannfm11
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This is what the Tea Party was 3 years ago, a group tired of the establishment management of our lives, finance, government, opinions and the economy.  Once they realize that Soros made his fortune as a Wall Street character who has looted vast regions of the world using the very means they are protesting, they could see the truth of the matter.  Out of chaos, order is what Soros is looking to create.  A communist in capitalist clothes.  This is what bankers really are. 

As far as Paul?  I wish he came across a little more Presidential, but he is the politician that ever got a dime out of me. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:19 | 1823847 FlyPaper
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This entire situation is a result of cronyism of one form of another.   Both R, I or D; but plain and simple: people on the take.

Governement uses it's corercive powers.   Those powers are 'bought off' by:

a)  Wealthy individuals

b)  Unions

c)  Corporations

d)  PACs

In order to keep themselves in power, the cozy up in order to get more money to stay in power.  Berlusconi effect.  Then they allow special exemptions for their friends; and suddenly regulatory agencies "look the other way" and purge records of wrong-doers (SEC).  Think about it: if you are even accused of child abuse you are in a database forever.  But if you are Wall street player and your company cheats people out of hundreds of millions - and you repent - your slate is wiped clean.   

When the government starts protecting itself more than the people it is empowered to serve, our freedoms and liberty are well on the way to poverty.  We will see the government protect itself big-time in this next 'leg down' of the econonmic collapse, just like we saw it with the ironically named 'patriot' act.  It won't be about rank-and-file Americans; it'll be about propping up the status-quo.

When government agencies can search your premisis without a warrant - directly in flagrant opposition to the constitution - and get away with it, its as indicative as much of a lazy population that will not demand accountability.   To the extent we continue to let this occur, is to the extent we become cattle to be herded.

Are honesty and accountability in Government too much to ask for?   Are these values that all Americans can get behind?  To demand that our monetary systems work on behalf of the citizen versus the government (or foreign governments as is the case today)?  To stop corruption?

What might happen if people joined together around some good core American values?   Just think what we could do if we went across party lines and met on things we could agree on?  Like getting our budget under control?  Getting the FED under control?  Getting the SEC under control?  

Much better than sitting at our computers shouting 'f-tards' at each other.  




Sat, 10/29/2011 - 01:44 | 1823815 dolly madison
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I agree that the mainstream news is stale.  I see everything online long before it comes on TV.  I've given TV news up completely.

I am not sure if Ron Paul will be elected.  There's a mighty lot of people collecting social security, and they vote. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:50 | 1823867 mannfm11
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I think Paul answered that question best.  Social Security might continue, but it won't matter if the check won't buy anything. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:13 | 1824636 earleflorida
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it will pay what's left of the elderly mortgages -

yours, and my parents

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 01:26 | 1823794 DymanicDoug
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Federal Insurance Contributions Act..FICA....Social Security...RON PAUL will end this and break many many promises promises...that's why he wont be elected....Medicare, gone, SSI, gone, social security, gone....My 401k gone...

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:35 | 1824677 Uncle Remus
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Sat, 10/29/2011 - 13:19 | 1824407 toady
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And that is the main flaw with tbe artical. Sure, social media and todays youth/OWS have a chance to come together and become a political force, but seniors/AARP came together DECADES ago, and will out-vote any new voter group.

OWS/social media's best chance is insurrection/revolution, and good luck with that against todays militarized police or the military themselves.

Now, if the military won't fire on their own people...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 20:42 | 1823264 earleflorida
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caution: i know i'm gonna get some heat/flak for this abstract phase-shift of unmentionables comment,... here goes -

u.s. r. paul [rep/tx] has been crying for years about the fed', and yet no one ever listened except his constituents and kept reelecting him -

was he ever serious, or just playing to the audience their favorite tune? -

r. paul was always at the front of feeding [front row for such a little guy?] trough with endless earmarks, that were borderline on the margin of factual malfeasance, and showed absolutely no shame for his insatiable  [$$$] hunger -  

now, moving on with a sample demographic testimonial status-quo sample, of our finest - as a mirror image, we have u.s. senator levin from michigan, again, another charlatan, that plays the crowd -

the high and mighty levin set the 'tbtf' hearings on their head with his strong rebuke of wall street, and its cronies -

but really, did he accomplish anything, [?] other than masking the pathetic job he's done for michigan,... now the ugliest state in the union to survive in the mid-west,  and, he was in charge forever -

not-to-forget, his pro-war, pro-mic's bias,... being forever where it counts -  always as chair or co-chair of our defense spending cmte purse-strings -

all talk, always boxing with shadows of the past, with no foresight, or willing ness other than dragging his feet into the next election with his useless rhetoric at arms length,... inside his vest pocket, an envelope stuffed with a plethora of lobbyist request as the mighty enabler stands slumped, and obesity plump with donation cash! -

lastly, we are heading into a very important election year that could determine the countries fate as to who we choose for 2012 [there's alot at stake folks] and it's wise to remember that this small litmus test i've presented is an overall diagnostic analysis [jmo] of the pathetic bunch of politicians running the country [both sides of the aisle] currently,... and i mean all of them - incubated by the stench of cronyism, nepotism, and old-fashion 'tweedism' to the nth degree [ just look at rahm the three-finger joker of 'chicagoland' [carpetbagger extraordinaire] fame -

important: if r. paul runs as an independent,... my theory will be vindicated, that he is a phony and a 'POS"! , it will also prove that he's no more than a r. perot that split the vote with his "giant sucking sound" that helped no one other than his pocketbook,...

in summary:  now that i've vented my thoughts and frustration, i'd like to give credit to the one man in america that has actually stood up to 'tptb',... Senator Bernie Sanders [I/ Vt.], if not for his courage we'd have nothing in what transpired in the dark-room's of the 'Devil's Den', known as the FRB System [totalitarianism fused with an  unadulterated communist agenda to destroy america] !

thankyou  tyler  

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 02:56 | 1825865 anomalous
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earleflorida, you're not just a moron... You're a moron in desperate need of a nanny. But just like Buffet thinking that if he needs more taxation then everyone should get more taxation, you seem to desperately cry out for a nanny state and expect that it should then also be imposed on the rest of us.

No thanks Earle, and no thanks Bernie.

Important: you are an ass.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:10 | 1824506 bxy
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You are a complete fucking moron.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:22 | 1823849 penisouraus erecti
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Herman, is that you you frb insider dumb motherfucker?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 22:00 | 1823414 TheMerryPrankster
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Apparently you know little actual information about Ron Paul. He has never been pro war for wars of opportunity. He is, as most americans are, in favor of having a strong military to be used as a defensive force, not as an offensive force, enforcing corporate empire world wide.

I don't live in Texas, but Ron Paul piqued my interest in what was for most people an obscure government agency called the Federal Reserve. Most people now know, that the Fed is neither a Federal agency or has any reserves, thanks largely to Ron Paul keeping a spotlight on this matter. So to say no one ever listened to him on this matter except his constitutents is just a flat out lie.

The rest of your datribe is equally facetious.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 22:31 | 1823491 earleflorida
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i said nothing about paul being a war-monger -

your eyes see what they want, while your mind reads pass, and through the truth -

i would suggest an eye exam if you read without spectacles, or new glasses if you do

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:13 | 1824514 bxy
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did I mention a fucking douchebag, as well?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:09 | 1824573 earleflorida
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let me educate you,... the FRB`System is about to implode -

it's been on the precipice of self-destructing ever since the late 90's -

it is totally unsustainable in articulating its dual mandate since paul volcker pulled [saved their ass] them out of the mess they created in the late 70's/ early 80's! -

the "tbtf", have pulled out of the U.S and are setting up shop in china/ india/ and S.A.,... they've sucked the american public dry and will leave the walking dead - the FRB's to pick up the dead[?] - basically themselves -

so, in summary,... paul is just capitalizing on old, really old news!  

Note: i am an independent,... once a staunch democrat

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 00:37 | 1823731 Dr. Engali
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Well I guess that makes two of us who need glasses. I clearly read in your barely intelligible rant where you claim he is pro war. Maybe you should check your facts before making accusations.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:00 | 1824469 earleflorida
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man, the blind leading the blind -

note: the mirror image was in reference to the ever-ending 'BS' they [r. paul & c. levin] fertilize their constituents eye's, ear's, and mind's with - daily dosages of 'what's the fuss all about,... what's the buzz i can tell ya about?' 

carl levin was not in reference to paul's libertarian ideologies [like his nut-job kid from kentucky - the apple don't fall far from the tree,...  another carpetbagger extraordinaire?], but rather than their insincerity to actually change things,... those are the facts - their chronological voting track record on monumental/crucial legislation should prove my argument -

ps.   seeing i'm talking about phonies - let us not forget dennis kucinich [d-ohio/ cleveland] whose gung-ho for ending the frb -

ps2 kucinich district is the abyss of what's wrong with america's inner cities,... and, guess what - he's been there from the beginning sucking off the taxpayers teats!  

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:14 | 1824517 bxy
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Which legislation?  You slandering piece of shit.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:27 | 1824545 earleflorida
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here's a starting point -

ref:  Michael Barone - "The Almanac of American Politics 2012"

the facts,... just the facts ma`am

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 13:26 | 1824425 toady
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I think it was saying Levin (D,MI) is pro-war, but I can't be sure because, as stated, its prose is a jumbled pile of shit.

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