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Popular Media Personality: The U.S. Has the Moral Authority to Annihilate Iran Because They’re Evil
Tucker Carlson says that the U.S. has moral authority to annihilate Iran because they’re evil.
What makes Iran evil?
Believe it or not, quite a few evangelical Christians think that all Muslims are evil. And the war on terror has largely been a religious crusade.*
Moreover, there is a widespread myth repeated by American media and politicians that Iran’s President (Ahmadinejad) said that Israel should be “wiped off the map”.
As a New York Times translation notes, Ahmadinejad wasn’t referring to Israel at all, but to the “regime” – i.e. the current political administration - in Israel.
Moreover, it was not Ahmadinejad himself speaking. He was quoting Ayatollah Khomeini, who died in 1989 (and who looked exactly like Sean Connery’s evil twin)
Arash Norouzi – who despises Iran’s current leadership as a “backward regime” – notes:
What did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:
“Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word “regime.” pronounced just like the English word with an extra “eh” sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase “rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods” (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” despite never having uttered the words “map.” “wipe out” or even “Israel.”
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The full quote translated directly to English:
“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
As the New York Times pointed out
R. Nicholas Burns, the under secretary of state for political affairs, recently: “Given the radical nature of Iran under Ahmadinejad and its stated wish to wipe Israel off the map of the world, it is entirely unconvincing that we could or should live with a nuclear Iran.” But is that what Mr. Ahmadinejad said? And if so, was it a threat of war?
For months, a debate among Iran specialists over both questions has been intensifying. It starts as a dispute over translating Persian but quickly turns on whether the United States (with help from Israel) is doing to Iran what some believe it did to Iraq building a case for military action predicated on a faulty premise. “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian,” remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted.
“He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.” Since Iran has not “attacked another country aggressively for over a century,” he said in an e-mail exchange, “I smell the whiff of war propaganda.”
Jonathan Steele, a columnist for the left-leaning Guardian newspaper in London, recently laid out the case this way:
The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran’s first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that ‘this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,’ just as the Shah’s regime in Iran had vanished. He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The ‘page of time’ phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon.
In fact, many orthodox Jews are opposed to Zionism. Whether Zionism is a good or bad political movement is open to debate. But Iran’s dislike of the Zionist regime is not the same as calling for Israel to be wiped off the map … in the same way that disliking the Bush administration or the Obama administration is not the same as calling for the destruction of America.
In terms of the U.S. having “moral authority” to annihilate Iran, perhaps Mr. Carlson thinks that America’s overthrow of Iran’s democratically-elected government, backing of Iraq in the war against Iran, and support of terrorist groups trying to overthrow the Iranian government give us the moral authority to continue to attack Iran.
* I am from the Judeo-Christian tradition, and am accepting of both Jews and Christians. Please remember that Christian writer and Army psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained that there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development. Indeed, a a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.
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China or Russia must be waiting for us to fuck up to pounce and regain at least some world authority.
We have been zooming here and there for 15 years. No military or Govt executes 100% for that long without tripping up along the way.
Just saying. GS had 100% win days for only so long (aided by the NYFED)
Regain world authority? OMFG are you people hilarious.
Uh yea China has huge concerns over world dominance beyond Asia they have thousands of years of culture invading elsewhere to show it.
Uh yea the last arms race in Russia ended up badly in case you hadn't noticed.
Just saying fear mongering based on lunacy is par for the course around here.
Aslam Alekem.
You know, I've been a ZH reader for quite a while, finally got off my arse to start a profile, and waited even longer to start commenting.
You on the other hand, you came in here talking straight up "GO TO WAR WITH IRAN" regardless of any information provided you.
You've never actually responded to any information given you about the evils perputrated by the U.S. and it's role in Iran's affairs (which was none of our concern at ANY point in THEIR history) and if anyone so much as say's Israel or Zionist you come unglued in your comments and start pointing out HUGE discrepancies (in your mind at least) that says we MUST attack.
You sir are a shill. And I'm willing to bet you've never served one day in any countries uniform, unless it was the 'secret policing my neighbors' kind for not following the bidding of your check cutters. Tell you what, why don't you enlist, volunteer as a SEAL, Ranger, SF, or even Force Recon and go over there and show us all how it's done. Maybe after the training, if you still have the heart to follow through; when you come back, you'll have the same look I've had in my eye's since Gulf 1 and realize how ignorant you truly sound.
Until then, why not just go stick with your own kind rather than shill here and attempt to sway the thoughts of people who actually think for themselves, and who have decided not to fight among themselves over which cheerleader has the shortest skirt, but rather whether or not we should even be playing this game.
Xkwisetly Paneful fucked his face in the ass when he said:
You seem to be one of the biggest cheerleaders for it.
The MSM continues to turn into The Onion.
But this Christian doesn't believe "all Muslims" are evil. I believe "all Muslims" are God's children, just like your Godless-self GW. I simply think they follow a Satanic religion. That is glaringly obvious to me.
Sound like you dont travel much. There is a world out there that is radically different than the one they synthesize for you here in the US. Tune in onto other TV channels for a change if you dont travel.
You are wrong about that. Probably a consistent theme for you. I am not saying there are not millions of lovely Muslim people. I am saying they are following a Satanic religion. If only this crowd would support American Christians like they defend Mid-Eastern Muslims. But there is no intellectual cowardice in that and your stakes are so high. I understand.
You do realise that it is virtually identical to Judaism, ?.
...except it requires a belief in Christ.
the irony, it burns... literally burns. but they have no clue.
Ever wonder why we don't seem to care about North Korean Nukes these days and don't threaten them with anything? The answer is that they are only capable of wiping South Korea, along with 25,000 of our troops "off the map". Watch what happens if North Korea ever gets a missile capable of hitting Israel.
Sure, everything is about Israel.
Keep telling yourself that.
George doesn't seem to be aware that this is not so much a geo-political situation as much as it is an ancient religious war, pre-dating the current regimes in both countries by hundreds of years, by the muzzies against all infidels. Total extermination of the Jews first.....then the Christians and all other infidels.
Hoot
here is a statement from Achmadinijad today... again he emphasizes that the zionist regime will be wiped out. This something entirely different than stating that the entire population of a country should be killed. I happen to fully agree with him, the zionist regime in control of israel is corrupt, racist and was created to set up a home country (displacing the native Palestinians and stealing their land and property) for the central banker crime sydicate to operate from. that regime should be erased:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/228736.html
Achmadinijad is a Luciferian Illuminati puppet as you are, he does not represent the people of Iran.
They will turn on you one day too.
i don't rule anything out, but I don't think that he is. time will tell though, sooner rather than later. the war is coming, like it or not. we have reached the state where the NWO is out in the open, making its final play for world control. make or break time. expect surprises, suspect everyone. first and foremost, use your brain and don't rely on assumptions...
I've seen nothing yet that suggests he's a puppet. Photo of him making a silly hand gesture does not mean he's a 'Satanist' plotter.
I've seen a lot that cumulatively suggests he's a post revolutionary political leader, in a fundamentalist religious Govt, that he is a fundamentalist, and also want's the best for his people, country, and the region.
And yes, he would like the world to become Muslim fundamentalist, which isn't going to happen. But be seems to think it's an inevitable development.
It ain't.
DOWN WITH THE USA THE CROWD CHANTED
IN RESPONSE TO RADICAL MUZZIES INCITEMENTS
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND FARSI EITHER.
That's because the TV cameras were rolling and the crowd was chosen for that purpose.
Get with the script!
Hilarious material.
They are just so misunderstood.
Well...i didn't want to have to say this to ya'll since i know you all care so much about me but..."The Colonel just gave me the call" yesterday. Here's how it went down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM&feature=player_detailpage HAVE NO FEAR AMERICAN PEOPLE! YOUR PROBLEMS ARE NOW SOLVED!
That is not an argument America should be throwing around these days. It gives too many people license to annihilate us for the same reason.
America: "God is on our side!"
Iran: "God is on our side!"
Hmmmmm....they both can't be right, but they sure as hell both can be wrong.
now that is good logic. Add to that a touch of past historical analogy based on fact and you can do away with the current fiction about who god or his avatar prefers on earth. I have a feeling he prefers an agnostic who never takes his name in vain. That way he, frail transient mortal; nobody can contest that reality; gets what he deserves. As its done in total accord with his own value system from which God is absent.
If we kept God or his avatar as personal model of perfection in our personal search of the eternal and kept our relations with fellow men on temporal issues always based on man-to-man conventions and rules, or absence of them, we would be sooooo easy to be understood, held accountable after the dust settled from our wanton acts; one way or the other!
Definitely a path for moving both parties closer to him...
The real problem isn't any particular country or government; it's people with perspectives like this in ANY country or government. If you translate his words into Arabic, and switch the terms "Iran" and "US" in his rhetoric, he is a mirror image of the people he opposes. And they will go on fighting each other forever if we let them.
Pucker Carlson won't be doing any fighting. The same goes for the rest of Israel's amen corner in the media and in congress (and the hasbarats that infest this site for that matter).
Am I the only person on ZH that remembers Iranian involvement in Lebanon? Iran establishing Hizbollah in Lebanon? Bekaa Valley jog those brain cells? Come on guys! This is one of Iran's success stories. Surely you haven't forgotten.
Irene: Yes, I remember Iranian involvement in Lebanon. Do you remember the U.S.S. Liberty? I guess that was Iran's fault too. Right?
You remember when you bought your first Japanese car?
You do?
So you remember Iran armed and funded hezbollah blowing up the US embassy and marine barracks in Beirut.
Do you remember Iran funding and arming the Shia in Iraq to attack US forces?
Do you remember the hostage affair? I guess that wasn't Iran's fault either.
+1
Sure, the bosses in Iran are evil bastards.But don't slaughter the butchers, bakers and cabbies who were merely born in that area. If you want to kill someone, kill the bosses.
i think
you think
it all stinks
This carlson is a mealy-mouthed coward chickenhawk who knows nothing of death,suffering or destruction which is end result of war.
Send that fucker tucker on the first wave in.
The U.S. Has the Moral Authority to Annihilate Iran Because They’re Evil
should read:
The U.S. Has the Moral Authority to Annihilate the U.S. Because They’re Evil
Wikileaks a truth teller? Should change name to selectiveleaks! Where is the BAC file? Only releasing some material is not Truthist - it is Agendaist. Sinning through omission is just as serious as a lie.
Wikilieaks is being funded from someone's Black Fund. I agree that they withheld lots of data that would have put certain smoking guns into the hands of a few ZioCon's (if they had more hands to hold the ones we already know about i.e., SS Liberty).
Too many people saw Assange as some sort of Green Truth Crusader and all he's nothing more than a self-glamorizing narcissist. Why people can't see the truth on this one is beyond me, it's so elementary it's a clear slap in the face of human thought:
There have been and are over 3000 site's on the web, in print, and in video that clearly show fraud, double-standard, lies, corruption, back door deals, collusion, graft, and countless other 'conspiracies' which are well researched and proven. But the MSM ballied this bleach blond bimbo around like he was the new Christ in a Gucci? And people bought that he's the only one telling the truth? And now this kid Manning is getting the 'tearrest treatment on our own soil to keep more of our attention on the 'validity' of Wikileaks?
BIG RED FLAGS. And as always, the sheeple are glued to the alphabet tube to learn more of exactly what the PTB want them to know, or to fight with each other over, while they quietly loot the world and prepare themselves for a few years of solitude and rest behind big stone walls while the peasants bitch and moan over the scraps tossed off the parapet. Course the only thing the sheeple are getting that is being 'tossed off' is some nice new stains on their backs-- to match the stains on their knees and chins from all the blow by blows they got from Assange.
Amen Bugs, well said.
You're exactly right. I think the real tip off there was that they made Assange a celebrity. He was just a stooge used as an excuse to clamp down on the internet.
What happened to openleaks? They were supposed to be the better wikileaks.
So guess we gotta keep fighting for real freedom.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-re...
Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’? 10/05/2011short version
no
But more importantly this video of Ahmad with the commentator spinning the translation Take note of the pictures in the background as Ahmad speaks (strong resemblance To Greenspan and Bernanke) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q
Yes and the crowd didn't understand farsi either it is why they responded chanting "Down With America"
But thanks for playing, we get it the radical muzzie is the most misunderstood entity in the world,
pretty much why he would be stuck in the 1890's instead of moving forward with the rest of the human race.
Geroge
Believe it or not, quite a few evangelical Christians think...
so would that be three or maybe 5 or 7 "quite a few"
another popular media personality
Saudi oil boost could calm markets - U.S. Senator Schumer
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/02/26/usa-iran-saudi-idINDEE81P073201...
It's all just propaganda that the public swallows. War with Iran has been planned for years in an effort to keep the dollar reserve currency status. If the U.S. doesn't have control over oil in the middle east being sold in dollars, the world won't want the dollar anymore.
It's sad how many lives will be lost over paper money that is worth nothing.
The U.S. military may also be in over their heads if they start this. Iran has shia ties in countries all over the area and the U.S. isn't prepared to take the war into Baharain and Saudi Arabia if this goes full scale.
China and Russia already said they wouldn't side with the U.S. in this, and Europe is broke along with the U.S..
Usually they just give some minor uppity player a bashing, but this time the bully will get kicked in the balls in return.
Occasionally the US needs to pin down a bigger power and slaughter a few million innocent people, so it can tell the next generation a bunch of new lies about the price of freedom and liberty.
Plus hollywood gets a new script narative to mind fuck them with.
There's a problem in that Iran is clearly a state sponsor of terror.
The problem with that, is if that's the only justification to go to war with Iran, then the US, Israel, and more than a few dozen other countries have given themselves justification to be attacked.
I'd be leery of having to identify just who he wants to kill. Look up sheikh yusuf al qaradawi - I'm not for racing into Iran, but let's not pretend there's not serious threats to Israel & their people.
There's not. The Iranaians have more to fear from Israel than vice versa.