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Popular Media Personality: The U.S. Has the Moral Authority to Annihilate Iran Because They’re Evil
Tucker Carlson says that the U.S. has moral authority to annihilate Iran because they’re evil.
What makes Iran evil?
Believe it or not, quite a few evangelical Christians think that all Muslims are evil. And the war on terror has largely been a religious crusade.*
Moreover, there is a widespread myth repeated by American media and politicians that Iran’s President (Ahmadinejad) said that Israel should be “wiped off the map”.
As a New York Times translation notes, Ahmadinejad wasn’t referring to Israel at all, but to the “regime” – i.e. the current political administration - in Israel.
Moreover, it was not Ahmadinejad himself speaking. He was quoting Ayatollah Khomeini, who died in 1989 (and who looked exactly like Sean Connery’s evil twin)
Arash Norouzi – who despises Iran’s current leadership as a “backward regime” – notes:
What did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:
“Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word “regime.” pronounced just like the English word with an extra “eh” sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase “rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods” (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” despite never having uttered the words “map.” “wipe out” or even “Israel.”
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The full quote translated directly to English:
“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
As the New York Times pointed out
R. Nicholas Burns, the under secretary of state for political affairs, recently: “Given the radical nature of Iran under Ahmadinejad and its stated wish to wipe Israel off the map of the world, it is entirely unconvincing that we could or should live with a nuclear Iran.” But is that what Mr. Ahmadinejad said? And if so, was it a threat of war?
For months, a debate among Iran specialists over both questions has been intensifying. It starts as a dispute over translating Persian but quickly turns on whether the United States (with help from Israel) is doing to Iran what some believe it did to Iraq building a case for military action predicated on a faulty premise. “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian,” remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted.
“He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.” Since Iran has not “attacked another country aggressively for over a century,” he said in an e-mail exchange, “I smell the whiff of war propaganda.”
Jonathan Steele, a columnist for the left-leaning Guardian newspaper in London, recently laid out the case this way:
The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran’s first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that ‘this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,’ just as the Shah’s regime in Iran had vanished. He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The ‘page of time’ phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon.
In fact, many orthodox Jews are opposed to Zionism. Whether Zionism is a good or bad political movement is open to debate. But Iran’s dislike of the Zionist regime is not the same as calling for Israel to be wiped off the map … in the same way that disliking the Bush administration or the Obama administration is not the same as calling for the destruction of America.
In terms of the U.S. having “moral authority” to annihilate Iran, perhaps Mr. Carlson thinks that America’s overthrow of Iran’s democratically-elected government, backing of Iraq in the war against Iran, and support of terrorist groups trying to overthrow the Iranian government give us the moral authority to continue to attack Iran.
* I am from the Judeo-Christian tradition, and am accepting of both Jews and Christians. Please remember that Christian writer and Army psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained that there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development. Indeed, a a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB25Ak04.html
'I'm not for racing into Iran, but let's not pretend there's not serious threats to Israel & their people.'
Wow. That is a fine worded bullshit stance, your overlords have taught you well.
Mind our own business unless Iran does start a war. Otherwise, stay the he'll out of their affairs.
Can you decipher that stance ok?
That makes sense, had one not already been started prior to stuxnet.
There is no 'staying out' since the entire model is built on 'growth' kinda like cancer. Truth is, as Pepe noted, Khamene is being sought as an ally but the motivation has obviously nothing to do with 'democracy'.
A steady dose of warmongering propaganda and soon the masses are self medicating for reasons unknown to them. Want to stay out of affairs? Try being indifferent instead of 'deciphering'.
long before stuxnet, but that's not the point. The point is that we should - should - stay out of their affairs.
And no, you don't have to be indifferent in order to stay out of someone else's affairs. You can have an opinion & not bully someone into agreeing with it. Last I checked, folks are still allowed to have an opinion on matters. Unless of course you'd rather people not think for themselves - that movement is well under way.
You're preaching to the choir, I know the score of the game we're playing over there.
"And no, you don't have to be indifferent in order to stay out of someone else's affairs. You can have an opinion & not bully someone into agreeing with it. Last I checked, folks are still allowed to have an opinion on matters"
Auctually you are no longer allowed to have an opinion. If you have an opinion, you now considered a terrorist.
but "we" whatever that means, are not staying out of their affairs. The U.S. and Israel have been attacking Iran for decades, either directly or indirectly through proxies like Saddam. They will not stop. Who are the fanatics? the Iranians who have shown remarkable restraint in the face of these attacks? or the bloodthirsty neo-CONS and Israelis who seem to think that the entire world must kiss their ring? bullshit I say. The Iranians are good people, they are not our enemies. Mainstream Islam is not evil, and they worship the same God as Christians do. They, unlike the Israelis accept Jesus as one of God's great prophets.... evengelical "christians" should pull their head out and see how badly they are being used.
Mainstream Islam is not evil, and they worship the same God as Christians do.
That is not correct. The christian God requires that you must accept that Jesus died in your place as punishment for your sins in order to get into Heaven. The God of Islam has no such requirement. The Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.
Oh they will not stop! those dreaded evil zionistas.
They taking over the world, oh wait but it is really islam taking over the world so that is kind of confusing.
Oh Iran has been backing attacks against the US for decades on end.
No fucking way! They armed and funded the Shi'ia in Iraq? No, why would they do that, they are not waging war against the US, I read it on zerobrains.com
Aslam Alekem Achmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-GzAQWTsRI&feature=related
peaceful muzzies celebrating in the streets after 9/11 and don't deny it took place,
it took place in Iran, Egypt, Palestine and others.
Xkwisetly Paneful, looking like he's being sodomized with a broomstick, said:
It's interesting that you posted a link to a pro-Israeli-government anti-Hamas video to illustrate your point. It's also interesting that it used the exact same video loop of Palestinean 9/11 celebrations which was repeated ad nauseam on Fox News. If this is supposed to be representative of the response of Moslem people worldwide, or even of those in Palestine, why fall back to the same loop?
Your pathological fear of everything Islamic, while pitiable, does not excuse deliberately perpetrating falsehoods, especially when you're trying to use those falsehoods to justify the extermination of innocent Iranians and Israelis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfWbs5hLjmU
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/A_New_Day_in_Iran.html
http://floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/the-myth-that-the-muslim-world-celebr...
Islam is a progressive, peaceful entity.
That is why it is largely characterized by extreme intolerance and oppression who's people have watched the rest of the human race blow by them,
despite discovering untold wealth in the ground beneath them.
They send their hardiest thanks to folks like you enabling the caveman to continue.
Aslam Alkem Brother Abdullah Misinformation Bot.
Ahhh, George ... you do bring out the government wackjobs!! Here we have another 20 "exquisitely painfull" warmongering responses from this troll in a single thread.
Though it is nice to know how some of the regular posters (like the Enemy Within) feel about sticking their nose into other people's business. At least they all use appropriate pseudonyms.
pretty sure that clip of palestinians celebration was because the guys filming told those people they won some food or cash... all psyop and staged. that was exposed somewhere if you dig enough. too lazy since I already know its utter bullshit. what is much more interesting and never discussed in the MSM is how five israeli mossad agents were seen filming and dancing when the towers went down on 911... almost as if they knew in advance..... /s:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
BTW Achmed, what do you muzzies call it when one arms and funds attacks on another?
Is that called war? No in the muzzie world that is the peaceful normal.
No denying Iran was attacking the US in Iraq through the Shia and probably the Shiites,
why would a people who loves and adores the US arm and fund attacks against US soldiers?
I know why, somehow that would eradicate evil israel and bring peace to a region that hasn't had more than 20yrs of peace in the last 2000years.
YEs of course because there really weren't any muzzies celebrating 9/11 anywhere that was all made up.
Afterall the radcal islamic muzzie loves the western world and repeatedly shows it by loving/blowing the fuck up the western world, just ask any of them.
Aslam Alekem Achmed.
"Look up sheikh yusuf al qaradawi"
Or Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/63122/sec_id/63122
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-military-official-only-burn...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-22/murder-persian-convention-centre/3...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassanal_Bolkiah
Lol fucking reli nuts throw them all for the lions.
Too many Christians, too few lions.
Bottom Line - The current Iranian regime wants to see the state of Israel cease to exist. What would you do if you were faced with such a threat? Remember what we did durning the Cuban Missile Crisis.
In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times editor Ethan Bronner stated:
Bronner continued: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."[13] This elicited a further response from Jonathan Steele, who noted that Bronner agreed that "map" or any other place noun had not been used and criticized this Wikipedia entry (as it was on June 14, 2006) for "claiming falsely" that Ethan Bronner had "concluded that Ahmadinejad had in fact said that Israel was to be wiped off the map".[23]
At a gathering of foreign guests marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 2008, Ahmadinejad said:
The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[25]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy
Why try?
One could well post an article:
Popular Zerohedge Personality: The World Has the Moral Authority to Annihilate Israel & America Because They’re EvilThat Israel and America are falling victim to the machinations of true, full-blown evil in this world, i.e. the lying, murderous, tyrannical regimes in Moscow, Beijing & Tehran, matters not.
Dig a little deeper.
Part of what you hear is the US media bought and paid for by the Rich .0063% war machine
I am old enough to have know some of the officers from the Shah's military that where here training in the 70's..
Kind of like everyone else just wanting to party and be with girls.. but their pay was out of site..
10k to 40k per month.. we couldn't keep up with them. LOL
If a girl liked them you couldn't out spend them.
anyway.. check your facts and you will find out part of the reason the Iran's kind of got pissed at the Shah's money movement with what they saw as USA help.
http://www.bombiran.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61uriEGsIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ_HaA2GHvg
http://progressivewritersbloc.com/DC/ABrutalDictator.htm
Then ask your self why do they need to shut up truth tellers
Like wiki-leaks.. if we are fighting a clean war
I live in a funny country we call People that get to fly jets(and burn civilians with napalm)or throw footballs hero's
And someone that cares about humanity. we try to lock up..
Heck that's what the Shah secret police did.
But they where kind of weird they like soccer. LOL