Provoking China: Selling F-16 to Taiwan or The Currency Bill?

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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:00 | 1766295 Caravaggio
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Oh, yesss, the chinese will be certainly dead scared by the flying rusty irons over Taiwan...
BTW, buffaloo boys, in case you cannot afford buying chinese goods, just don't buy it. Since you cannot afford buying european goods too, then buy what's available - american. What's left, I mean...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:27 | 1765868 Bartanist
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People need to start thinking a little more broadly and long term.

Why did slick Willy give China stealth and other military technology? The answer could be: If you are going to perpetrate a massive kill-off of population through a contrived war that all of the people are clammoring for ... and at the same time hopefully keep your hands "clean" so that you can retain power, you need to have an enemy that is a credible threat.

Back in the year 2000 I was told a rumor (and I forget who it came from, just at a meeting I attended) that the mlitary types in our corporation were discussing that there would be war with China in 2012. Just a rumor and 11 years ago. A lot may have changed since then ... timing tends to be fluid in the douche-bag (errr, I mean "master of the world") community.

No one likes or wants wars except those who benefit from them. Over the long, long, long term who would benefit from WWIII and mass population die-off?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:34 | 1765606 GinnyMS
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More unneeded turmoil. Replace their worn out planes and drop the currency war. Last thing anybody needs at this time. US Congress and Obama staff should go on vacation and stay there for the next six months. All concerned are nuts.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:27 | 1765865 NotApplicable
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What do you mean, unneeded? Those politicos in DC and everywhere else most certainly need these distractions to create "mandates" and legitimize their rule.

Other than wealth transfer to the elite, it's the only reason they exist.

Oh, wait... you mean turmoil that we don't need. Sorry, but as long as their are votes to be had, turmoil is all you're going to get.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:14 | 1765486 thunderchief
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Hey dumb fucks....

Taiwanese are Chinese.  Manderin Mainland Speaking Chinese..

They are not indiginous Taiwanese.  If that makes any sense.

Chiang Kai Shek rounded up all the locals and sent them to the other side of the island.  At least the ones he did not kill.


Chinese Mainlanders...Yes

Something else...No

Do you numbnutoo American's know that Taiwanese Former F-16 pilots now work for Mainland China Civilian Airlines.  They do, and so does their intel.

Hey fuckwads...wrap your heads around this...Anything you give to Taiwan you are giving full stock and barrel to Beijing. 

So enjoy your knew toys China... I hope they gave you the upgraded Honeywell package.  To put in your 5th generation fighters.

Another shitstorm scandle we should put more of these 1 percentile  fuck brain matter morons in the USA in Jail for.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:23 | 1765851 NotApplicable
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After reading this post, my day is now complete.

Good jorb!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:24 | 1765561 Stuck on Zero
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Sorry dude.  Know your history.  Taiwan was originally settled by Austronesians and polynesians.  Lots of wars and conquering has resulted in takeovers by Japan, China and last by the Chiang Kai Shek government in exile. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:24 | 1765559 Mugatu
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Take a happy pill dude!  I think the average America is quite aware that Chiang kai Shek took his little band of followers to Formosaville to have a little party after Mao took over.

BTW - they already have the design on the F-16 radar system which they got courtesy of Pakistan.  Why don't you get your shit together before you spout out.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:39 | 1765256 Mugatu
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I thought Taiwan made the F-16 - or maybe it is China?  We don't really make anything here in the U.S. to sell.  We only sell credit products like CDS's and service industry's like McDonalds. 

Even I have moved manufacturing of my Piano key necktie to the Far East!


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 08:47 | 1765073 apberusdisvet
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 If the banking cartel can make money off it, it will be done by the politicians.  I wonder what the spread is on Chinese default swaps?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:54 | 1764960 Oh regional Indian
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nice how there are all these hot-button "issues" the world over, so convenient.

Palestine, Taiwan, Tibet, Okinawa, puerto Rico, NK, Falklands, Cuba......

Any one can be used as a trigger/distraction, as needed.

Nice, albeit ugly, plan.


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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:19 | 1764869 Foul Ole Ron
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What the article is ignoring is that the Currency Bill won't pass and China isn't really provoked as a result. The U.S. knows it, China knows it, the whole world knows it. China knows it's just some senators indulging in some political theatre to play with the voters. Sure they'll throw out the hard lines in public themselves but behind the scenes both sides know nothing has changed.

The Taiwan F-16 deal would most certainly have provoked China. The White House has too much other stuff on their plate at the moment so decided to take a pass at poking the Panda for the moment - hey what's the chances of China actually invading Taiwan in the next year or two? That's right... pretty much zero. After re-election if Obama is still in and if the economy is picking up again they'll take another pass at this maybe. If Obama is out some Republican president will almost certainly take a go at selling those F16s. Either way it's easier to stir this up later rather than now.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:17 | 1764867 disabledvet
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:53 | 1764836 no2foreclosures
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Good article.

Points out the naiveté or schizophrenic nature of the navel-gazing U.S. Congress when it comes to realpolitik games.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:49 | 1764834 Dangertime
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Well China is manipulating their currency to the detriment of the US.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766189 Mountainview
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And the USD-CNY rate is at the core of the job crisis!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:12 | 1764851 Quintus
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Yeah - they should stop influencing the exchange rate by buying all those USTreasuries IMMEDIATELY!  In fact, Timmy should refuse to sell them any debt at all.  That'll show them!

What could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 08:29 | 1764968 Dangertime
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Besides losing the last pieces of our manufacturing base to a country that is becoming increasingly aggressive to US interests?


I don't know, what could possibly go wrong if we allow that???


End the damn currency peg.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:42 | 1765270 Quintus
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It's far too late for that sort of thinking.  It would take decades to repatriate any meaningful amount of industry from China, even if such a thing were possible.  Even then, the end result of this would be 'Made in America' goods that cost much, much more given the higher labor, legal, environmental and taxation costs.  Maybe consumers would be happy to pay the higher prices to provide more jobs for others.  Maybe not.

It's a moot point anyway, since without the China bid under Treasuries, and with multi-trillion dollar deficits to finance for decades to come, the US would grind to a halt long before these wonderful new factories in the homeland (Who's going to pay for them, by the way?) could be built.  

No, the only way out is a total collapse and rebuilding of the global financial system followed by a race to see who can rebuild quickest and achieve dominance.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:33 | 1766198 Mountainview
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Before coming back to the Us they go first to India-Brazil and Mexico (in this order) !!!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:30 | 1765487 Dangertime
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It is not too late.

The right comparison to make is comparing the time it takes China's rising military to reach a level of power equal to the US Military, versus the time it takes to return manufacturing to the US.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:15 | 1765138 Atlas Shrugged
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The US is the biggest (reserve) currency manipulator of all time.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:29 | 1765583 Dangertime
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No disagreement here on that subject.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:39 | 1764831 Quintus
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Goodness me.

Next you'll be telling us that the US political system is dysfunctional, hopelessly conflicted and does not act in the interest of the country as a whole, being more concerned with political point-scoring and serving their campaign contributing paymasters.

Perish the thought.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:01 | 1765406 covert
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contradictions? time to think it over.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:15 | 1764861 zhandax
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Gee, you think?  Nothing that can't be fixed with a few million pissed off citizens and a half-mile of rope.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:29 | 1765581 Stuck on Zero
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Lets review your calculation: (535 in Congress + 20 in Whitehouse + 9 Supreme Court + 1000 in Wall Street) x 50 ft rope each ~ 75000 feet of rope.  To get by with a half mile of rope will require reusing the nooses 30 times. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:21 | 1765837 NotApplicable
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With good quality rope, it's doable. Just have to presort them by weight.

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