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A Solyndra Insider's Words

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On September 16th I received an email from a Solyndra (“SOL”) employee. This individual was on of the management team at SOL. He is a part of the Silicon Valley world and does not want his name to come out. I have his permission to use his words. As a “Wanna Be” journalist I’m reluctant to introduce information without attributing it to a source. That said, I respect the position of this individual. His words of explanation:

My apologies for not completely identifying myself, but I am not currently in any spotlight w/ regards to visits from men in blue windbreakers with stenciling on the back.  My goal is to steer as well clear of that particular issue as I can.... Thanks for your patience in not asking for my identity at this juncture.

On the Importance of the Failed 2009 IPO

Note: S1 is the SEC document for an Initial Public Offering. Fab 1&2 are the company’s manufacturing facilities

The original plan was to have Fab 1 operating on a "almost at profit basis" (a proof of concept + - type level), then use an IPO to fund the next push into economies of scale. Or use strategic partnerships and sovereign relationships to that.

The S-1 had been filed in the Nov Dec 2009 time frame, and I had heard that at the fateful Board meeting that preceded the putsch, that it had been announced that that financial situation of the country and the position of the Solyndra's strategy had led the I-bankers to tell the execs that any IPO would be a failure and they should expect a lead balloon from the market. The I bankers then told the e-team that *if* Fab 2 was finished in time, and brought to good production, *and* the solar prices should at any point start to pull out of the crash, *then* they would recommend the IPO. The "recommend" was their words, but I believe that this is the way of saying that they would in no way do the IPO at that time.

 

The Fed money was explicitly tied to being *solely* used to build Fab 2. Solyndra could not use the loan proceeds for *anything* else.

This exchange is important. The company plan was to turn FAB#1 into a profit and then expand. The investment bankers said no “No Money” to that plan. It is clear that in late 2009 SOL committed to the strategy of rapidly using the DOE money to build out FAB#2. How much influence did the investment banker’s recommendations have on this fateful decision? It would be interesting to see company files on this topic. Even more interesting would be a review of the DOE files. If we find a memo that reads: “We’re doing it the way the bankers are telling us to” it will prove the point. It’s interesting, in this context, to note that Wall Street does not have to create toxic synthetic securities to cause the taxpayers to suffer a loss. They just have to talk.
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The Role of Goldman Sachs

 

Goldman was the main underwriter/adviser...... I think they were exclusive in the role of adviser in the DOE deal and in the proposed IPO. They were also very heavily involved in the larger private equity raises.

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On George Kaiser
Argonaut is a funding vehicle for the Kaiser Family Foundation. His *foundation* "channeled money. Further, this is not a case of a corporate shell. The fact is that if Soly had made 20 billion dollars, GK would receive ----- zero. The foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit entity, and subject to strict controls by both state and federal law on the purposes that they can engage their assets for. It has a fiduciary responsibility that does not include benefiting GK. For example, everyone knows that there would be a world of difference in classifying an investment from Bill Gates, and one from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And that is precisely the issue here.

Draw what you will of this exchange. It does put the role of George Kaiser in a different light.
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On SOL and Obama

 

For Solyndra, it knew from the get go that its existence was predicated on economies of scale. So it had a huge urge to build a *big* plant. Unfortunately the equities had already at that time pumped 600 million or so into it, and HSH Nordbank had committed to a 90 million loan. The 2008 well went dry..... and it needed 800 million to build a plant that would be cost effective (a fair and reasonable price for a good semi fab these days....)

The Obama admin was jonesing for a two-fer: green jobs *and* stimulus. And you now have two people who want the same result (albeit one for political purposes and one for "greed" purposes).

Look, no one pointed a gun at Solyndra and said "apply and take this loan". It needed BIG capital to get the project over the hill. And in 2008-2009, there was only one game in town.

It takes two to tango.

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On the Obama Plant Visit

 

With a heavy dose of ironic twists, the WH approaches Upper Management telling them that they would be very interested in a trip by the President. Do you tell them "no, our CEO is headed out the door, and we are *not* going to let you showcase the completion of our Fab that *you* helped pay for?"....... The entire Presidential trip was a rush undertaking, I think there was only about 1.5 weeks between the request and the trip.

And then the June cramdown occurs, and Solyndra loses a massive amount of technical talent in the next three months. It is quite a story filled with ironic twists.

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On the Sale of Assets to Argonaut pre-bankruptcy

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Note: On 9/15 I wrote about a transaction that occurred on July 29, 2011 where Sol sold the inventory and accounts receivables to a new company affiliated with George Kaiser’s family foundation (Argonaut Ventures). This is in response to that article:

You mentioned the following as to the A/R sale on Solyndra:

"This could have been an arms-length transaction that was a last ditch effort to save SOL."

This is exactly the point. Solyndra was on the cusp of closing a second funding deal with Madrone and Argonaut as lead investors. In fact, the funding event in Dec - Jan contemplated such a second funding, as Argonaut and Madrone committed to the present round, but Solyndra had to try and find other entities (not necessarily get them to sign on to the term sheet, but had to try and get new ones in). Nonetheless, as part and parcel of the Dec/Jan/Feb funding event (the one that DOE subordinated to), the leads in that committed to the second round.

The fact that a SPV was set up in regards to a "factor" or towards a greater control of inventory by the investors is no surprise to me. If you read carefully, the Dec/Jan/Feb round had a similar trajectory. In fact, Solyndra Inc. winked out of existence (essentially) in March, as all assets were transferred to a wholly owned subsidiary (Solyndra LLC) as part of the restructure in conjunction with the DJF funding. Solyndra Inc. changed its name to 360 Solar Holdings, and reflected that the original Inc had been transformed into a holding company.

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Was There Any Hanky Panky in the 7/29/11 transaction?

 

This is transaction that *has* to be approved by the Board, both as materiality and as to a potential self-dealing issue.
If the transaction was done w/o the approval by the Board, then you have a big-time civil case *and* (b/c of the Feds) potential criminal issues. Knowing the people involved, there is no way this is the case.
If it was approved by the Board, then the Board majority had to approve. (if not, see above) There is no way the Board would approve this potential of *handing out* stuff to others w/o something coming back as consideration. Again, there were multiple entities involved in approving this decision. If it was done underhandedly, then a vast civil/criminal conspiracy exists among all the board members, the executive team, and potentially the board observers.
Occam's razor tells me that this is a legit injection operation, that fell apart prior to final closing.

The conclusion is that there were so many eyes and so many lawyers who knew that a worst-case outcome was possible that there was no manipulation. They all knew that this story would come out in the light of day.


Did insiders understand what was happening?

 

Trouble was brewing a year and a half ago with the first "massive wipeout" equity round, and when Chris Gronet was consigned to a figurehead role in Feb of last year. The co. was run between Feb and June by a triumvirate of Stover (cfo), Gaffney (GC), and (damn i forgot the name of the sales VP who bolted to the roofing company in texas...... was it Kirk Roller?)

Was there a “surprise” collapse at the end? Who walked?

 

I am very aware that this second funding was being worked on feverishly all the way up until the night before the "mass layoff". In fact, just a week before the deal was described to me as being in the bag, as to *everyone* on all sides of the deal.

So who walked at the last minute? Was it George Kaiser or was it Madrone (Wal-Mart family). We might find out the answer to this one-day. I’m betting it was Madrone.

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Was business that bad?

 

In April 2011, the all hands meeting showed a big bubble in upcoming expected orders ---- enough that the Company seemed very confident of meeting its internal goal of doubling sales year to year over 2010 (i.e. from 110 million to 220 million).

Note that the figures made known were broken down into actuals, "hard" expectations (i.e. negotiations nearly complete), "soft" expectations (negotiations starting or ongoing), and leads. Each category showed significant increase on a year to year comparison.

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On the wisdom of the DOE accepting subordination of it’s debt.

 

DOE had a crappy decision in December 2010. The same decision faced by *everyone* who is the primary lender/holder in a cramdown situation.

The decision was: subordinate and give up "veto", or they could have killed the DJF deal and walked away with 5 cents on the dollar in foreclosure. (i.e. the DOE had a right to "take Fab 2 and run it" in that circumstance, but does *anyone* really believe that they could have tempted even a smidgen of the people to "cross over" to Fab 2, especially since the cramdown in May pretty much smoked the talent pool at Solyndra already.....)

By taking the commands of the "last dollar' at the table, they basically said that we will give up that last 5 cents to try and let SOLY get going. And I really do believe that the strides that SOLY took between last May and now were actually quite good. So I wouldn’t say that DOE got outfoxed, they got outmuscled by the "last dollars in the door" (as happens every single time)

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On the changing role of the DOE

Note: In February of 2011 the DOE agreed to provide seniority (preference in BK) to a new loan from existing equity investors. (D,J,F) refers to the recapitalizations that took place in December, January and February.

Prior to DJF funding, the DOE role was one of secured creditor with heavy liens on the major component of Solyndra operations. In fact, the operating agreements that went into the loan went well beyond the "secured creditor." What existed prior to the DJF funding was that DOE would foreclose on Solyndra Fab 2 LLC, which held the operations and assets associated with the new fab. (In fact, this entity went onto be Solyndra LLC after the DJF funding). I do not believe they had much (if any) role in the operation of Solyndra Inc, who then owned Sol Fab 2 LLC as a wholly owned subsidiary (the sub subject to foreclosure upon by the DOE)

Subsequent to the DJF round, DOE subordinated its lien on the main assets of Solyndra: i.e. Fab 2 LLC and all assets under it. DOE won the right to have an observer at all Board meetings (which it ostensibly excercised much to the glee of conservative bloggers..... :) )

Accordingly, I don't see how DOE could agree to the deal, except in the role of an essentially unsecured creditor. I do not know if the rework even gave them that right (ie. the right "agree" to items like this).

So, I do not have that particular knowledge. DOE *must* have known about the deal, but absent any "can stop clause" associated with the rework in DJF, I don't see how they could have actively agreed to anything.

From this I conclude that when the DOE took a back seat on it’s loan, it also took a backseat in its oversight/involvement in the company. Any documentation that would support this conclusion would prove embarrassing to the DOE.

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On Solyndra The DOE and George Bush

 

The DOE had the Bush loan program going, and Solyndra hopped on that train early and got one of the first "semifinalist" announcements. IIRC, the Bush admin was also really jonesing to get the loan out, so as to feather 43's cap. But that didn’t happen in time.

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On Chris Gronet

Note: Founder, former CEO and Chairman of SOL

Chris really resigned (was fired) in Feb last year. He was around, but did nothing between then and June, since the triumvirate was running the company.
After Harrison came in, Chris "had an office", but was never around. His sole function was as Chairman of the Board.
This is since there were two "wipeout" equity rounds: one in March-ish last year, and then the one in DJF this year.
In each case, investors having more than x shares could participate and maintain their relative % ownership. They set this low, since they were very worried about derivative lawsuits in the future due to the cramdowns, and how the beneficence would accrue to only "insiders" w/o this provision. Chris opted in, thus maintaining his ownership share both through the dilution from 12xdilution / cramdown,and the subsequent 100x dilution/cramdown.So in *each* round he stayed on as Chairman, actually due to the sheer numbers of shares he opted in for (even though he was still not at all involved in *anything* to do with the day to day operation of the company for over a year and half.)
On 8/19, which was right in the throes of the latest cramdown/equity round, Chris resigned only one position: that of Chairman of the Board. I believe he actually also was no longer even to be on the Board post last putative equity round. So, the announcement was made of his resignation, which appears to be a clear indication that Chris either didn't participate in the last round (or was somehow not included..... which would seem odd given his holdings)
The resignation of Gronet on 8/19 is indicative that his ownership position reqts were outrun by his pocketbook. But to reiterate, Gronet had *no* day to day interaction with Solyndra from last February. His only interaction in that time between last Feb and just currently was in the role as Chairman of the Board.
Note: This discussion confirms that there were numerous calls of capital on the equity investors in 2011. These were met (the dilution numbers). While the amounts of additional equity are not clear, the shellacking for the investors is bigger than previously reported. It also speaks to their intent. The equity was trying to keep Sol alive.

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On the personnel changes at the top

 

John Gaffney came in as GC in Dec 2009. Gaffney had been GC at First Solar, and had very deep historical ties to the Walton family (Walmart). The Waltons were investors in Solyndra through the Madrone partnership.
Within 3 months there was a massive shakeup in the Exec team. The two mainstays of Solyndra were "put to pasture" in either March or April. Kelly Truman was "reoragnized" from VP of Sales and Marketing to some bullshit corner job, and (at least internally to Solyndra) it was announced that Chris Gronet was assuming the role of the "face of the company". In the same email, it was also announced that day to day operations were going to be done by the troika of Gaffney, Bill Stover, and Kirk Roller. Kirk left Solyndra about a month and a half later.

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This is a Silicon Valley story. No different than the dozens before it. Huge successes and spectacular failures. The only difference is that tax-payer money got involved. That’s probably a good lesson to learn for the folks in the Valley and the big family money that makes it tick. Keep the Feds out of your backyard and we’ll all be better off.

My sincere thanks to this ex Solyndra employee for allowing me to share his thoughts.
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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 05:47 | 1874975 dida
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I think you did a good work there adnd you shouldn't be afraid about the consequences, becasue in the end everything will be alright. Cazare Lepsa

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:34 | 1686262 dis-stressed
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Great reporting Bruce...much appreciated

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:27 | 1686231 Captain Nukem
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Gov spent $535M to create about 1000 jobs for 2.5 years? That would be $214,000/year per job.

Could be that the Kaiser non-profit money was intended as "seed money" to attract a much bigger investment from the gov. It would also buy Kaiser some control so that he could personally make a killing on the IPO if the idea proved successful. It is possible to double your money in a single day if you are able to get in on a hot IPO. But we haven't seen many of those lately...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:16 | 1686206 lunaticfringe
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Thanks for posting this. I have been a huge critic of SOL and still am...at least this piece offers an explanation for all of the sinister shit we have seen and of course MIA- is George Kaiser. Calling George. What sayeth ye George?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:09 | 1686180 ex VRWC
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It doesn't matter, the political damage that this has inflicted and will continue to inflict is the real point.  Not just on Obama but also on the whole idea of the government picking winners and backing technology for 'the common good'. Which is in some ways a shame because there are times where the technology would not get made otherwise.  Whether 'green energy' is one of those times is debatable.

The other problem is you basically have the government playing cozy with a bunch of people who exist to make huge profits out of the deal, such as I-Bankers.  This is where this is so wrong on so many levels - the government just becomes just another gambler in a corrupt system designed to reap huge profits for the participants - except the government will not reap huge profits even if they are made, and, in the worst case, the government loses everything,

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:56 | 1686128 malek
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So that baby was circling the drain for the last 18 months already?

What happened to Fab 2, did it ever commence production.
The whole story sounds a bit like "We're losing money on every sale? Well, let's try to make it up on volume."

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:44 | 1686088 Richard Whitney
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Yeah. Right.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:24 | 1686025 Atlantis Consigliore
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YA YA YA.....IT IS ALL VERY INTERESTING, BUT VE ARE WITH MERKLE NOW MIT DE FRENCH FRAULINES UND THE UBERZZZEEEC

MOVIES UND DE BANG A BAMA BOOM...

WITH KFS UND DE VUNDERBAR.  

WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SOLYNDRA.....NOTHING,  AND DONT CALL

ME RAHM, MY NAME IS  SARGEANT SCHULTZ,  VE KNOW NOTHING.......DONT YOU DARE PLAY THAT TAPE...!!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVWArmysic

 

VERRRRRRY INTERESTING. ANOTHER $ 5 b LENT

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:13 | 1685972 Careless Whisper
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Why the obsession with Soly? We know what went down. This isn't rocket science.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:27 | 1685971 Atlantis Consigliore
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Rahm:  WLS Radio interview when asked as Chief of Staff

his involvment with Solyndra.

 

I Dont Remember Solyndra, ask me something else.

and dont call me RAHM;

 

Its Herr Sargeant Schultz...I know nothing...NOTHING

 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63810.html

 

DONT YOU DARE PLAY THAT TAPE!!!  ACHTUNG

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVWArmysic

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:06 | 1685939 Ergo
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In the words of Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 

(exaple:  Surely, the non-profit can make money, or else they wouldn't have invested.  There's lots of ways to channel money.)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:16 | 1685699 Miss Expectations
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3 Minutes of All the President's Men:

"Get some harder information next time."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCckvZ59FQA&NR=1

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:14 | 1685655 vast-dom
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Like I said earlier today: this is NOT an investmenet proper - this is a QE-like $kaM that never honored the concept of ECONOMIES OF SCALE nor MC=MR nor any other basic econ funduhmentals. No RD no innovation just pure hopium.

 

e.g. "legit injection operation" is akin to raising capital for what was explicitly an unsustainability project with overt mishandling at every stage of operations; and yet we asked Teh Gov (i.e. taxpayer/QE/etc.) to invest in essentially disclosed failure = fraud. 

 

Please uncle sam give me billions today for my time-machine factory i have possibly maybe lots of orders and things can one day retroactively/furistically be manipulated and covered up if you inject right now for tomorrow.

 

Amazing. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:40 | 1685558 TheArmageddonTrader
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Good of you to give a pro-Solyndra guy the chance to tell the pro-Solyndra story. But I wonder what his real reason is for not wanting to go on the record. I don't think it's FBI. In any case, he doesn't stand 100% behind what he's saying, you have to take it that way.

So if I understand him right, he's saying Solyndra transferred its assets to a wholly owned subsidiary - can anybody confirm that? And why? So that new investors could then buy into that subsidiary thus diluting the original investors' (and public's) claim on the assets? If so, did that happen, or was it aborted?

His statement that the asset transfer couldn't have been a give-away because that would involve a "massive conspiracy" is pure BS. It would entail a conspiracy as big as the membership of the board. Boards never conspire to screw shareholders? Give me a break. And of course it's even easier to imagine the board conspiring to screw the public as creditor.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1685398 The Alarmist
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Still didn't stop the Named Exec Officers from hiking their salaries by 50% to 100% ... Sure, they went without a target bonus for 2009, but the pay raises more than covered that.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:59 | 1685395 The Alarmist
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1685380 wang (not verified)
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I highly doubt that an insider would communicate via an email in this manner unless they are totally naive or part of a half baked PR initiative. Notwithstanding this exchange caught my eye:

The foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit entity, and subject to strict controls by both state and federal law on the purposes that they can engage their assets for. It has a fiduciary responsibility that does not include benefiting GK. For example, everyone knows that there would be a world of difference in classifying an investment from Bill Gates, and one from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And that is precisely the issue here.

 

Foundations such as Kaiser's or Gate's or for that matter Soros's are often (almost always) a vehicle through which their benefactors can wield political, cultural and ideological influence often in concert with or as a surrogate for lobbying activities, political funding, channeling favors etc. The financial health of the foundation is therefore important maybe as important as the benefactors non charitable businesses.

 

e.g. NEPI is funded/part of by Kaiser's foundation (http://www.gkff.org/index.php?page=nepi)

http://nepinstitute.org/

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1685377 Big Ben
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Private equiy has been anything but cautious when investing in new ventures. First they directed tons of money into very dubious dotcom ventures like pets.com and other dotcom firms that were burning through cash at a tremendous rate. Then they loaned even larger amounts of money to subprime mortgagees.

So for the government to provide loan guarantees to a company that private equity was afraid to touch seems incredibly foolhardy. And what would taxpayers have gotten if Solyndra had been successful? Nothing. Solyndra would certainly have moved its operations overseas at the earliest opportunity. Semiconductor manufacturing has mostly moved outside of the US because it is so much cheaper. And even the semiconductor manufacturing which is still done in the US has moved from California to lower cost states. A lot of semiconductor design is done in Silicon Valley, but there is very little manufacturing. The fact that Solyndra was planning to run a major fab operation in super high cost Northern California should have been a bright red flag indicating that something was very wrong.

Wall Street is very good at crafting very bad investments that appeal to the current investment fad. Wall Street spreads hype about a gold rush and then makes money by selling mining supplies. Most of the miners end up losing their shirts.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:32 | 1685303 G. Marx
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Once again, why weren't the taxpayers at the head of the line should a BK occur? Let's not lose sight of the main issue.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:04 | 1685928 goodrich4bk
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Did you read the article above?  It says very clearly that at the time of subordination the government loan would have paid only a nickle on the dollar because the entire enterprise would have collapsed.  The subordination was a gamble that new money would bridge a "transitory" cash shortage and yield a greater return on taxpayer money than a 95% loss.

In hindsight, it would have been better to take that nickle.  But private lenders make these same subordinations decisons all the time in similar circumstances.  

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 19:41 | 1686652 Almost Solvent
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Exactly - also accounts for why successor LLC was needed to put lipstick on this pig.

 

 

In any event, BK is not about truth or justice - just quick & dirty getting useful assets into someone else's hands for $$.

 

Walmart/Kaiser don't want to own a solar fabrication company. They want the pieces sold off to the highest bidder ASAP.

 

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

BK 363 sale - free & clear - powerful shit baby. 

 

See who ends up with what - follow the $$

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:29 | 1685289 overmedicatedun...
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so who we got in media to spin this baby?? normal course of business that's the ticket..

sure some with direct interest get inventory for Pennies, all very normal

sure millions were spent in record time, where it went is not important to this insider. pardon me Bruce but LOL.  how much went to pay debt holders and angel investors ? and how much to build out??

obviously this insider is a mouth piece and/or part of the gang.. or incredibly dumb.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:38 | 1685325 DaveyJones
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being inside and incredibly dumb are not always mutually exclusive

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1685288 ItsDanger
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Any analysis on this issue needs a detailed breakdown of who made profits from this company directly or indirectly.  It shouldnt be that hard via forensic audit and FBI involvement.  That will spell it out clearly for everyone.  Its always about the money.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1685393 Edmon Plume
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You don't think that the FBI was involved to prevent a forensic audit?  This is a black eye on the administration and its cheerleaders.  It needed to be mopped up, and what better way than to inject a crack team of "good guys" to fight for Justice?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:26 | 1685513 ItsDanger
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If thats the case, then what is the point of these charades?  Just cut cheques or wire transfer money around and no one would know.  Much easier.  You donate $5MM, I'll wire you $100MM to Dubai when I get elected.  Who would know the difference?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:16 | 1685463 SqueekyFromm
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Plus, by having the government (FBI) involved, it casts a little intimidation factor onto the Solyndra people so that nobody will be too brave about blaming the other government people (DOE) of stupidity or carelessness in making the loan. What is amazing is how fast the FBI got involved when everything else the Obama administration does is slow slow slow.

Another thing is that when you go into bankruptcy, you have to disclose all your financial dealings, particularly those with INSIDERS, and there is a discovery process permitted by creditors. Plus IF you lie during your bankruptcy, then the FBI can get involved. Here, the FBI is involved first.

Sooo, one big question I have, is did Solyndra file its bankruptcy schedules yet??? I would love to see the questionaire part.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:12 | 1685223 adr
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Sorry but I call BS on that guy. he obviously knows nothing and that is why he doesn't have to worry about the feds.

Are we to believe that Kaiser would drop a boatload of money and not expect a dime in return???? Yeah right.

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