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Update on Middle Eastern Wars

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Since
the U.S. Has Been Planning Regime Change In Syria For Decades, I Guess
the Little Things Like Working On the Same Side as Al Qaeda – or the
Risk of Picking a Fight with Nuclear Powers China and Russia – Are
Ignored

AP reports:

Top U.S. intelligence officials told Congress Thursday
that al-Qaida of Iraq was likely behind a series of bombings against the
Syrian regime in recent months.

 

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said bombings against
security and intelligence targets in Damascus and Aleppo bear “all the
earmarks of an al-Qaida-like attack”, leading the U.S. intelligence
community to believe the Iraqi militant branch is extending its reach
into Syria.

(this corroborates the Arab League’s findings.)

This is interesting for two reasons.

First, there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until the U.S. invaded in 2003:

 

(

Despite the repeated attempts by the U.S. to link Saddam to 9/11.)

Second, the U.S., Israel and its allies are fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda: against the Syrian government.

As I noted yesterday, Syria will hold elections and enact a new Constitution in less than two weeks.

But the U.N passed a resolution
today calling for Syrian president (Bashar al-Assad) to resign. The
U.S. and Israel will try to use this as a proclamation of “international
backing” for an invasion of Syria.

Russia said today it does not support regime change:

The deputy minister also said that Russia does not
intend to persuade Syrian President Bashar Assad to accept the Arab
League’s proposal on sending a joint LAS and UN peacekeeping force to
Damascus.

 

Russia opposes any regime change, or removal of President Assad. In addition, Moscow insists on recognizing the role of the opposition in the current violence.

An as I noted last week:

Russia has sent a large naval force
to Syria in a show of support for the Syrian government, and a
high-level Russian general and former member of the Russian joint chiefs
of staff has said that Russia will defend Iran. Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years, and Iran is purportedly directly assisting the Syrian military in its fight with the rebels … sending 15,000 troops of its own. And China has warned against an attack on Syria.

I guess when a country has been planning regime change in Syria for decades
– little things like working on the same side as our mortal enemies,
having a government agree to elections and a new constitution, or
potentially provoking nuclear powers like China or Russia are ignored.

 

Depsite the Hysteria, Experts Say that Iran Poses Very Little Threat to the West or Israel

 

The war drums are growing very loud.

For example, the former head of Mossad – who has been strongly opposed to war against Iran – has now thrown in the towel, and more or less said that war is inevitable after the car bombs in India, Thailand and Georgia (even though it is not clear that Iran is guilty for those attacks).

But AP notes:

[Defense Intelligence Agency chief Lt. Gen. Ronald]
Burgess tells senators Iran is unlikely to initiate or intentionally
provoke a conflict.

[Director of National Intelligence James] Clapper says it’s
“technically feasible” that Tehran could produce a nuclear weapon in
one or two years, if its leaders decide to build one, “but practically
not likely.”

Indeed, Iran has not attacked another country in hundreds of years. (In the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was the initial aggressor.)

Moreover, American, Israeli and European leaders all say that Iran has not even decided whether or not to build a nuclear bomb.

And – as the Christian Science Monitor notes – even if Iran did build a bomb – it probably wouldn’t pose much of a danger:

Shrill warnings of war or imminent apocalypse over Iran’s nuclear program have never been so strident, or so ominous.

 

A window is closing fast, the narrative goes, to prevent a fanatical
and suicidal religious regime from acquiring the ultimate tools of Armageddon: nuclear weapons. Within months, some politicians claim, either Israel, the United States, or both may have no choice but to attack Iran to remove this “existential threat” to the Jewish state.

 

The world is facing another Hitler, declares Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
and this moment of decision is akin to the eve of World War II. Iran
is a threat to Israel and “a real danger to humanity as a whole,” warns
Israeli President Shimon Peres.

 

The tone on the US presidential campaign trail is no less dire. 

 

***

 

In fact, say analysts and nonproliferation experts who have
studied the effect of the bomb on countries, coexisting with a
nuclear-armed Iran – or at least a nuclear-capable Iran – may well be
possible, even inevitable, whether a military strike delays that
outcome or not.

 

Analysts say Iran is not an irrational, suicidal actor that can’t be
deterred. Nor do they believe it is determined to destroy Israel at all
costs. A recent Israeli think tank simulation of “the day after” an
Iranian nuclear test came to the same conclusion: that nuclear
annihilation will not automatically result.

 

***

 

If Iran were to become a nuclear power, the most immediate question
would be what it means for Israel, where warnings have reached
histrionic heights.

“Absolutely nothing will happen,” says Martin Van Creveld, an Israeli
historian and author of some 20 books on military strategy. “Israel
has what it takes to deter Iran, and the Iranians know it.”

 

Mr. Van Creveld is implying that Israel’s own nuclear arsenal of an
estimated 200 warheads would prevent any Iranian first strike. Israel
has the only such arsenal in the Middle East, and – unlike Iran’s
program – it has never been subject to UN inspection or safeguards.

 

“Say they build one bomb – it’s not good enough. They need how many –
2, 3, 5, 10, 20? And that will take them a long time, so it’s all
nonsense,” says Van Creveld. Iran is “not going to commit suicide by
dropping the bomb – or even threatening to drop the bomb – on us.”

***

In Israel, even talking about living with a nuclear-armed Iran has
long been taboo because it might appear to concede that what the US,
Israel, and Europe have declared
“unacceptable” is, in fact, acceptable. Yet that was the scenario of a
simulation last October by the Institute for National Security Studies
(INSS), an Israeli think tank affiliated with Tel Aviv University, that gave insights into what might happen across the region if Iran became a nuclear state.

The surprising result, the day after a hypothetical Iranian nuclear
test, was not war. Instead, all the main players – from Washington to Moscow to Tel Aviv – adjusted rather easily to the new reality, with few dramatic changes in behavior.

Even Iran, rather than wielding its handful of new atomic bombs as a
sword of Damocles over a fearful region, attempted “to use them to
reach an agreement with the major powers to improve its strategic
standing,” according to the INSS report on the simulation published in
January.

“The sky won’t fall the day after,” says Yoel Guzansky, a research
fellow at INSS who shaped the simulation and was an Iran specialist in
the Israeli prime minister’s office for four years until 2009.

***

NATO says it is “unlikely” that Iran would pledge nuclear protection
of its proxies like Hezbollah – and makes no mention of sharing such
hard-won nuclear technology with them, which is a frequent refrain of
hawks and doomsday politicians.

[Geneva-based Iran specialist with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Shahram] Chubin
states in his book on Iran’s nuclear ambitions that “there is no
reason to believe that Iran today, any more than Saddam Hussein
earlier, would transfer WMD [weapons of mass destruction] technology to
terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or Hezbollah.”

Likewise, proliferation expert Joseph Cirincione,
in his 2007 book “Bomb Scare,” points out that nations like Iran and
North Korea are “not the most likely sources for terrorists since their
stockpiles, if any, are small and exceedingly precious, and hence well
guarded.”

 

 

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Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:11 | 2170497 Citxmech
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Excellent post Steve - thanks!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:16 | 2169867 tony bonn
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the bush crime syndicate is itching for a war replete with its lies and deceits about fake foreign threats.....

the argument about iran is as fucktarded as the idea that a bunch of primitive pajama clad vietnamese were a threat to the usa

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:47 | 2170705 Reese Bobby
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So what?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:08 | 2169789 Shizzmoney
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Iran is a Bees Nest.....if you don't bother it, it won't bother you.

Plus, Israel going to be in a shock when they learn th both its citizens, and the United States citizens, don't give 2 shits baout their military/plutocrat cock fight with Iran.

Remember too, that Obama is under HUGE pressure here.  If he assists in a war with Iran, he can kiss his re-election bid goodbye.  But I am sure the tensions won't really get to ahead until the debates, when the question can be asked and our leaders can lie to us once again.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:48 | 2170708 Reese Bobby
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So what?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:10 | 2169459 AchtungAffen
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A society which is full of guns at home will have no other choice but to use some more guns abroad. I think America's adventures abroad are just a reflection of what happens inside.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:49 | 2170714 Reese Bobby
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What?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:00 | 2169751 Sanksion
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There is a lot countries with more guns per head than USA, and actually not the kind to drop bombs everywhere. Switzerland. Scandinavia. Etc...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:04 | 2190263 AchtungAffen
Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:40 | 2172279 DaveyJones
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isn't great to be "special?"

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:59 | 2169747 sun tzu
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You're full of shit:

Private gun ownership was banned in Nazi Germany. Does that mean Nazi Germany did not invade other countries?

Gun ownership is required in Switzerland. How many countries has Switzerland invaded?

 

You dummkopf

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 15:29 | 2190040 AchtungAffen
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Oh I love touching the American Sacred Cow of the Gunz. Emotional responses are sure to come.

My point is, what happens inside, transpires outside. The US is awash with guns. It's only reasonable that their actions outside will also carry the gun. Thus, gun at home, bombs/planes/missiles/marines abroad. Like an extension of what happens at home, on a national level in the international stage.

And don't kid yourselves. Guns are not a requirement for safety nor freedom. It's that thought which ends up giving warped logic to those adventures abroad.

I live in a 3rd world country. There's a lot of violence in the street. A lot of people has guns. I've been the victim of gun violence 3 times in my life. And I never ever fired or carried a gun. The only person I know who actually used a gun to protect his home almost got killed if it wasn't for the mercy of the attackers. Most people I know who have guns use them irresponsibly, putting others in danger.

Just check the numbers. There are more statistical chances of being shot if you have a gun. Check murders per capita in the US, the UK and Japan (the latter 2 countries have banned firearms) and you'll see the unveiled truth about guns and security.

And freedom through guns? I live in a country who had several coup de etats and military juntas. The last one dissappeared 30 thousand people. Do you think the return to democracy had anything to do with an armed populace? Of course not. Private individuals with guns did absolutely nothing to change the situation.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:19 | 2171150 thomcat00
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Not much benefit to invading a landlocked, mountainous region. Besides their stance on appeasement, er, neutrality makes the Swiss less of a target for hostile intent. They may have been the mercenary army of choice in the 18th century but it's not their firepower that keeps other countries out in the current age.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:28 | 2169952 Randall Cabot
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Private gun ownership was not banned in Nazi Germany-you're spouting jew supremacist lies.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 13:16 | 2170090 Randall Cabot
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It was actually the jewish run Weimar Republic that passed the gun control Law of 1928 which the Nazis inherited when they assumed power. The Nazis then used the law to ban the subversives who betrayed Germany in WWI from possessing firearms. 

 

From Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO):

"The Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? Gun control did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.
The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them."

 

http://www.rense.com/politics4/guncontrol.htm

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:05 | 2170448 Citxmech
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"The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them."

Oh, so private firearm ownership was only disallowed for the unfavored.  That makes it better. . .

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:57 | 2170741 Randall Cabot
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Don't you think the Nazis knew about the Red Terror and the Holodomor and the Gulag in Russia? Those same elements betrayed Germany in WWI and were still actively trying to take over Germany. You wanted to keep them armed?

"At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water; In Kharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves"; The Voronezh Cheka rolled naked people around in barrels studded internally with nails; victims were crucified or stoned to death at Dnipropetrovsk; the Cheka at Kremenchuk impaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants; in Orel, water was poured on naked prisoners bound in the winter streets until they became living ice statues; in Kiev, Chinese Cheka detachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.

Executions took place in prison cellars or courtyards, or occasionally on the outskirts of town, during the Red Terror and Russian civil war. After the condemned were stripped of their clothing and other belongings, which were shared among the Cheka executioners, they were either machine-gunned in batches or dispatched individually with a revolver. Those killed in prison were usually shot in the back of the neck as they entered the execution cellar, which became littered with corpses and soaked with blood. Victims killed outside the town were conveyed by lorry, bound and gagged, to their place of execution, where they sometimes were made to dig their own graves.

According to Edvard Radzinsky, "it became a common practice to take a husband hostage and wait for his wife to come and purchase his life with her body".[3] During Decossackization, there were massacres, according to historian Robert Gellately, "on an unheard of scale." The Pyatigorsk Cheka organized a "day of Red Terror" to execute 300 people in one day, and took quotas from each part of town. According to the Chekist Karl Lander, the Cheka in Kislovodsk, "for lack of a better idea," killed all the patients in the hospital. In October 1920 alone more than 6,000 people were executed. Gellately adds that Communist leaders "sought to justify their ethnic-based massacres by incorporating them into the rubric of the 'class struggle'".

Members of the clergy were subjected to particularly brutal abuse. According to documents cited by the late Alexander Yakovlev, then head of the Presidential Committee for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, priests, monks and nuns were crucified, thrown into cauldrons of boiling tar, scalped, strangled, given Communion with melted lead and drowned in holes in the ice. An estimated 3,000 were put to death in 1918 alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_terror#Atrocities

 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 15:03 | 2170790 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Abdul the Joo Hater,

it is great when you post material contradicting your own hate logic.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 09:31 | 2172566 Element
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Xkwisetly Paneful

With a handle like that you're either a terrible glazier, or a professional Jewish torturer?

Given your avatar and your routine attempts to 'insult' those you disagree with, with childish race-based labels like, 'Abdul the Joo Hater', the latter seems more in-character.

Did the Shin-Bet give you the weekend off for particularly bad behaviour?

Or is this just a pre-Sabbath cleansing thing?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:23 | 2169543 Uchtdorf
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Would you kindly expand on your comments? I would like to more fully understand what you're thinking.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:37 | 2169615 InconvenientCou...
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Take the top ten movies, most viewed TV shows and most played video games in 2011. Create a 100 word cloud.

Overlay a plot of private gun ownership in the US. for the last 50 years

Overlay a plot of basic educational proficiency for the last 50 years

Stare at that for awhile while repeating the word "exceptional".

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:16 | 2169858 Shizzmoney
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I agree with the "lust for violence" point, but NOT the gun point.

Guns keep people safe as it protects the smart, sane, and strong man from his evolutionary-defunct advisary. 

Does America love violence a bit too much?  Sure, but that's because it's never pointed in the right direction.  Remember, many Colonial Patriots DIDN'T want violence.  Until they were forced to do it. 

Instead of shooting at financial terrorists who loot our lives, our govt-led police shoot at black kids for weed in their pocket (who then return fire).  On top of that, the black market created by this bullshit economic system spurs the great gun race between "criminal" organizations who have to protect their livelihoods. 

I'm sure if some bank heads got shot tomorrow, you'd be fist pumping with 99% of America.

Guns outsource what security our government fails to provide. 

You think the small business owners in London were a fan of the UK's gun policy during the riots last year?

Ask the Korean convience store owners during the Watts riots what they think of firearms.

At least they'd be alive to answer the question.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 05:21 | 2172554 Element
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"... Guns keep people safe as it protects the smart, sane, and strong man from his evolutionary-defunct advisary."

 

No problem with your points, but if we're to read your comments at least have enough respect to construct basic sentences that use recognised grammar and spelling.  It doesn't have to be perfect but try harder.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:06 | 2169777 DeltaDawn
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You should be a political speechwriter! The truth hurts!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:45 | 2169658 Uchtdorf
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What you write certainly rings true. I'm trying to determine if AchtungAffen considers the condition he described as orchestrated or not.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 10:34 | 2169259 Sandmann
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If Syria disintegrates and Iran is attacked maybe Turkey can be broken up too so KURDISTAN can emerge as a new nation in the MIddle East ? Maybe this could be the start of Perpetual War in the region as new nations are carved out of the existing tribal structures and the Russians will have to start deploying more troops in their "Near Abroad". Then we can get into the true "1984" Scenario

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 04:56 | 2172547 Element
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eeewww!   Two minutes of hate directed at Sandmann! ... for telling truth ... again! ... not cool dude!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2169159 mc_LDN
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The real interesting thing is the under reported multiple - multiple attempts to assasinate Iranian scientists. Where's the reporting on that amongs all the shrieking hysterics. In fact what this recent debacle has shown us is exactly which media organisations are complicit.

The poster children for bias reporting...

CNN, BBC, WSJ, NY Times, LA Times, Christian Science Monitor, Voice of America.

Im not even gonna start on the new US tactic of passing the baton to Israel to drum up support for an Iranian war when up until only 2 weeks ago it was the US. Israel is a convenient bedfellow when the American people start getting suspicious of US involvement in these things. They're like the good cop bad cop tag team of geo-political terrorism and war.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:08 | 2169791 DeltaDawn
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Too bad they aren't discussing THAT on the Marty Povich Show.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2169097 connda
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If the West takes out a Middle Eastern operative, it's a sanction.  If a Middle Eastern takes out a Western operative, it's terrorism. 

One way or another, some poor dude or dudette minding their own business gets whacked as collateral damage.  And I don't give a fuck what you call it -- it's all BULLSHIT. 

 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 09:58 | 2169127 Gully Foyle
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A blast from the past

http://www.flix66.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Rambo-III-Blu-ray-2.jpg

 

Mousa: This is Afghanistan... Alexander the Great try to conquer this country... then Genghis Khan, then the British. Now Russia. But Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated. Ancient enemy make prayer about these people... you wish to hear?
Rambo: Um-hum.
Mousa: Very good. It says, 'May God deliver us from the venom of the Cobra, teeth of the tiger, and the vengeance of the Afghan.' Understand what this means?
Rambo: That you guys don't take any shit?
Mousa: Yes... something like this.

...

Colonel Trautman: You expect sympathy? You started this damn war, now you'll have to deal with it.
Zaysen: And we will. It is just a matter of time before we achieve a complete victory.
Colonel Trautman: Yeah, well, there won't be a victory. Every day, your war machines lose ground to a bunch of poorly-armed, poorly-equipped freedom fighters. The fact is that you underestimated your competition. If you'd studied your history, you'd know that these people have never given up to anyone. They'd rather die than be slaves to an invading army. You can't defeat a people like that. We tried; we already had our Vietnam! Now you're gonna have yours.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 09:44 | 2169071 aleph0
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@GW

 

Here's an interesting interview from PressTV - banned in  the UK !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUWgTXme2cI

23 mins.

 

A pretty detailed report which says that  the Iranian produced Nuclear Fuel Rods are much cheaper and better than those on the International Market.

They are saying that if these superior designs "came to market" , it would bankrupt the Int. Companies that currently have a MONOPOLY on this market.

FWIW

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 13:53 | 2170383 john39
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that explains a couple things doesn't it.  so much for zionist media portrayal of the Iranians as technologically backwards...  suck it zionists.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:05 | 2170447 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea and Cuba has better healthcare than the US.

Suck it zionistas, can Iran even still get parts for their 40yo air force?

btw up to three questions on the current imbecile test

you may be an imbecile if you:

1)Believe Iran can take down the petro dollar

2)Believe Russia or China is either interested in or can afford to back Iran

3)Believe absent the evil zionista that the historically most violent place on earth would suddenly become peaceful.

 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:35 | 2172268 DaveyJones
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you have to say it two more times and click your heels before it comes true.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:26 | 2170597 john39
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looks like iran built a better nuclear power system... while we in American are installing fucking windmills and solar panels made in china.  who's winning again?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:42 | 2170641 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Whoa, nuclear power=bad around here, miss one third of the author's obsessions?

It only looks that way to blind people.

Kind of missing the boat by a world and half.

Without freedom of expression, there is little imagination which results in little innovation,

which is entirely the problem with not only the radical islamic muzzie but also the chinese, the former soviet empire and every other oppressive empire known to mankind and also in part why as the US government has become oppressive to it's own people, the country is struggling to remain as the creative force it once was.  

The human race is entitled to the output of the folks that the radical muzzie is oppressing to the nth degree.

I want them to develop a better nuclear power system of course under current circumstances even with the extremely oppressive to nuke power environment in the US it is still not true.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 10:32 | 2172745 DaveyJones
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"which is entirely the problem with not only the radical islamic muzzie but also the chinese, the former soviet empire and every other oppressive empire known to mankind and also in part why as the US government has become oppressive to it's own people, the country is struggling to remain as the creative force it once was."

wow, that is some serious orwellian psycobabble:

 (1) "every other" empire is bad

 (2) except us

 (3) and if, somehow we have acted bad to others OR our own

 (4) it is only because we were forced to by the others

 

Isn't this exactly how the "others" train their twelve year olds?     

  

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:17 | 2171385 psychobilly
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Are you by chance available for parties?

I have a few friends that don't pay much attention to politics and don't despise Israel and its supporters yet.  I figure 5 minutes of you should fix that.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 09:34 | 2169056 frostfan
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George Washington and Zerohedge readers logic:

 

Iranian tosses grenades and half blows himself up in process and it's not clear what he was doing.

Israeli movers  talking loud in Jersey City on 9/11 and they're guilty of causing 9/11.

Any questions?  OK now go hit that red button!!!!!!!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:03 | 2170429 Ying-Yang
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Try reading and thinking for a change.. dumb ass

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:07 | 2169423 Canucklehead
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Frostfan, I suspect this article will get 5,000 reads.  Of those reads, you may get 50 red hits.  That is a 1% disapproval rate.

The old adage is there is 5% of mankind that you cannot please no matter what you do.

Either everyone agrees with you or the vast majority of the readers do not read the comments.  It's probably a bit of both.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:04 | 2170331 psychobilly
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Readers <> people who can vote.

The "new", government rainforest math on display, folks.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 10:08 | 2169170 Gadfly
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Your logic:

Israel routinely assasinates Iranian scientists and others and then denies it, while talking openly about utilizing this approach to acheive its goals, but it is innocent.

Building 7 clearly came down via a controlled demolition, just look at the videos, and watch Siverstein's statements that he "pulled" it, clear evidence of a conspiracy by someone, but there was no conspiracy.

Any questions about your ignorance and bias?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 10:28 | 2169234 frostfan
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Popular Mechanics already shredded your clearly came down via controlled demolition.  Any questions about their ignorance and bias?

Please spare me proof of Silverstein saying he pulled off anything.  You're just going to present me some snippet of him saying something and how you or anyone else can conclude that "pulled it" means he brought a building down.  Him saying "I brought the building down" would be conclusive proof.  Oh you don't have that video, do you?

People like you can be convinced of anything evil.  Big deal.  We've watched the Mossad allegedly have their pictures all over Dubai and Iranians lobbing grenades into himself in Thailand but somehow some mysterious organization brought down a building where thousands of people walked into everyday with explosives and somehow no one saw anyone setting up this controlled demolition.  Isn't that an inconvenient fact?  Our government can't get cash for clunkers right but can somehow blow up buildings and no one says a peep or saw anything let alone no one involved has spoken 11 years later? 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:32 | 2172262 DaveyJones
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"anyone else can conclude that "pulled it" means he brought a building down.  Him saying "I brought the building down" would be conclusive proof" 

Is that how the industry talks? Is that the industry lingo? -"brought the building down?'" That's one of the lamest I have ever heard.   

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 14:04 | 2170442 Ying-Yang
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frostfan reads popular mechanics... troll

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:50 | 2169987 Money 4 Nothing
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1. Why did building 7 just... fall down?

2. Why isn't there a 110 story elevator shaft still not standing after the Pop Mechanic "pancake theroy?

3. Why were police telling media / onlookers to get the fuck back because building 7 was going to come down? Search video.

4. Why was Silverstein being fined 100,000 dollars a week for an asbestos non compliance court order?

5. Why was the power turned off in both towers the weekend prior?

6. Where were the Enron ongoing investigation records stored?

7. Why did flight 77 just happen to nail the accounting office at the Pentagon? Search 2.3 Trillion dollars missing from GAO testified by Rumsfeld on 9/10/01. To an investigation commission.

8. One hundred tons of aircraft leaves one hunderd tons of debris, but not at the Pentagon.

9. Why was the background radiation levels off the charts after the "crash" of flight 77 into the Pentagon?

10. Why didn't the Pentagon counter measures function on 9/11? Just sayin.

11. Why did the Bush White House block every and any investigation into 9/11?

12. Why as DOJ intel employees get slapped with a Presidential Gag order prior to 9/11 when discovered clear and present danger intell was found?

13. Why did Dick the Cheney demand a stand down order in PNOC to Norman Minetta as a witness testified under oath to that fact. " Do NOT scramble Ronald Regan"

14. Why was the front lawn cleared of debris immediatly after "flight 77" impact? Why was it boxed, tarped and shipped off right away?Video available.

15. Why was NORAD training that morning in the NE sector of the USA for a mock drill that morning? practicing for a 9/11 style attack on NYC with enemy forces entering USA airspace from Canada.  

16. Why did we sell all the iron from the North and South tower to India and China after it was all shipped to the Jersey side? Tampering with eveidence comes to mind.

I'm just getting warmed up.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 05:49 | 2172563 Money 4 Nothing
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Here are some more questions I though I would just throw in here for shits and giggles.

1 Who owned the security firm for the twin towers complex?

2 Who owned the security firm for Logan airport?

3 who owned the security firm for Dulles?

4 How did the Port Authority no longer have control of the World Traded Center Complex?

5 Why were there dead bodies in building 7 before it came down? There is a signed affadavit by the building security manager to that effect, he is dead now. 

6 Why did Bush just sit in the classroom in FLA without getting up to take charge of his Country under attack? Why didn't his body gaurd team wisk him off to a safe location? say, his armored car or AF1, Technically, it's not called AF1 when it's on the ground, it get's that desigate once it's airborne.

7 What was exploding in the basement and on alternating floors of WTC 1 before the impact? Irrefutable affidavit from NYFD.

8 Why was nano themite found at the complex?

9 Why were basement beams sliced at 45% angles?

10 Why was gold bars and bags of cash found in the stairwell of building 5? Which I will illustrate soon with jpg's.

11 Why was the twin towers listed as "condemed"?

12 What offices were in building 7?

13 Who is Sgt. Lagassy?

14 Where are all the passengers?

15 What Companies did these passengers work for?  

16 Why did they hire their own contractors to clean the site? Get smart and read this link, I personally spoke to a sub contractor. http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p4.html

 17 Why won't people take a trip to the fire departments to interview fire fighters from the incident? I did. In this link are names of Heroic firefighters that you can call and interview on the phone or in person.

 http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html

You ask me questions? I ask the questions, don't get it twisted.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 10:11 | 2172735 DaveyJones
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the firefighters, what they heard and saw, is indeed some of the more overwhelming evidence that day. The sheer number of witnesses

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