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Update On Wall Street Protests
WWII Vet to Wall Street Protesters: “I Am So Proud Of All You People” WWII and Other Military Vets Support Wall Street Protest
A reader posted the following comment regarding the Occupy Wall Street protests:
I am so proud of all you people who are showing your back bones, to stand up and put a stop to the Banking cartel, who is defining History, by insisting that We The People, use their Fiat Money system. Our Constitution states, that Only Gold and Silver shall be used as lawful Money. The So Called Federal Government, is really only to have Ten Square Miles, in which to conduct their so called wisdom to Protect the Sovereign States. But look at how much territory they call, Federal lands etc. We Have a rouge Government, which is completely out of control. Your movements of collective peaceful protests, are the beginning of the end for the crooked Fiat Money people. I am a WWII Vet, South Pacific Campaign. 94 years young, handy capped, from War Injuries. I want you to know from my Heart, I am so proud of each and every one of you. So Hang in there, your movement is just what this Country needs.
I’m not certain whether the reader is one of these gentlemen attending the Occupy Wall Street protests:
In fact, military men of all ages support the protests:
Conservatives Support Protests Conservative Groups Support Protests
Last month, I called on conservative groups to endorse the Occupy Wall Street protests:
It is time for some big conservative endorsements, to rally around the non-partisan issues important to all Americans.
The Tea Party should endorse the protests, but so should the Oath Keepers, taxpayer rights groups, conservative Christians, limited government groups, and all other conservative groups.
Karl Denninger – one of the founders of the Tea Party – certainly supports the protests, even if he doesn’t agree with some of the positions taken by some of the protesters.
And yesterday, the Oath Keepers and a founding member of the Tea Party announced that they are supporting the protests:
Common Ground Between Conservatives and LiberalsOath Keepers sees good reason to stand in the streets with these awakening souls and protect their right to free speech, to peacefully assemble, and to redress their grievances to their government, as the Constitution prescribes for all Americans. That is one thing. Another facet of our initiative is to use these public gatherings to reach and teach many who now hunger for the truth – we can show them how the Constitution will protect them better than an oversized, bloated Federal behemoth hell-bent on controlling every aspect of each citizen’s life.
To point this out to the masses, Oath Keepers is organizing a joint effort along with Alex Jones of Infowars dot com (who himself called for an Occupy the Fed movement); Steven Vincent of End The Fed; Danny Panzella’s Truth Squad TV; Brandon Smith of Alt-Mkt.com; Gary Franch of Restore The Republic; and others as quickly as we can contact them. Remember Bob Dwyer, the guy who started the first Tea Party to launch the Ron Paul revolution? He’s in. The forces of Constitutional rule of law must muster now to deflect the bile being belched forth by the socialist/statist extremists …. Oath Keepers has the message American youth need. If we do not go out into the street and give them the truth, can we really say we’re still honoring our Oath?
As I’ve previously noted, both liberals and conservatives hate corporate socialism (where the federal government favors giant corporations at the expense of the little guy) . The Oathkeepers announcement zeroes in on this issue in a way that both conservatives and liberals can agree on:
When a corporation becomes larger than is useful, and seeks to concentrate financial power into the political and governmental spheres, its likeness is no longer the King Snake, but instead is more like a Rattlesnake. At a point we call such corps “Monopoly Capitalists”. By the time a grouping of such Monopoly Capitalist corps are setting U.S. foreign policy, which the arms industry certainly does nowadays, the problem becomes unbearably apparent. Bechtel comes to mind, along with Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, Monsanto, General Electric, et al.
That part of Wall Street is certainly to blame. But that is not “Capitalism”. Instead, it is “Monopoly Capitalism”, and it is now observably moving America into a new world order with intent to place America under the alleged authority of a one-world government. As such, Monopoly Capitalism is un-Constitutional and must be opposed.
While Michael Moore says that capitalism itself is the problem, Mr. Moore is wrong. As I’ve previously noted:
Corrupt Politicians As Enablers of CorruptionWhen Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought about Western civilization, he answered:
I think it would be a good idea.
I feel the same way about free market capitalism.
It would be a good idea, but it is not what we have now. Instead, we have either socialism, fascism or a type of looting.
If people want to criticize capitalism and propose an alternative, that is fine . . . but only if they understand what free market capitalism is and acknowledge that America has not practiced free market capitalism for some time.
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People pointing to the Western economies and saying that capitalism doesn’t work is as incorrect as pointing to Stalin’s murder of millions of innocent people and blaming it on socialism. Without the government’s creation of the too big to fail banks, Fed’s intervention in interest rates and the markets, government-created moral hazard emboldening casino-style speculation, corruption of government officials, creation of a system of government-sponsored rating agencies which had at its core a model of bribery, and other government-induced distortions of the free market, things wouldn’t have gotten nearly as bad.
As Justice Louis Brandeis said:
In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipotent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. If government becomes a lawbreaker it breeds contempt for law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy.
If there has been lawlessness and corruption among Wall Street players, it was partially simply modeling the lawlessness and corruption of the Executive Branch and Congress members. I’ve written elsewhere about how the government lied by saying Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was behind 9/11 (when he didn’t and wasn’t), that we don’t torture (when we did), that we don’t spy on Americans (when we did), etc. Just like kids model what their parents do as well as what they say, Wall Street modeled the unlawful and corrupt actions of our government employees.
Being against capitalism because of the mess we’ve gotten in would be like Gandhi saying that he is against Western civilization because of the way the British behaved towards India.
The Oathkeepers and conservative alternative media powerhouse Alex Jones also zero in on the Federal Reserve system as a core problem. As Oath Keepers notes in its announcement:
Oath Keepers is planning to “Occupy The Fed Now!” and publicize this to remind the Occupy Wall Street people that the Fed is the source problem, without which the Wall Street criminals would be set back a hundred years. I will be posting our press release and a longer list of groups and orgs who will be joining Oath Keepers in this initiative.
We are currently drawing up our press release regarding our own response to the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon, which will be Oath Keepers’ official statement. We are now planning an official Oath Keepers project which we’ve named “Occupy The Fed Now!”.
Yes, Oath Keepers has seen the need to block the attempted takeover of the populist movement generally referred to as Occupy Wall Street.
In an extensive phone conference on the evening of October 04, 2011, we heard from Oath Keepers who have attended Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Boston, Occupy Los Angeles, and Occupy Seattle. The overall consensus from our people at these rallies is that most people attending the rallies are very open-minded to the Oath Keepers mission/message, and that they are hungry for answers. Indeed, our reports indicate that many Americans right now are awakening, in droves it seems, and they are full of questions for which we have the answer – the Constitution for the united States of America.
While progressives might assume that the Fed has helped the economy from getting worse, or that the importance of ending the Fed is being overhyped, top economists and financial experts disagree. See this, this and this.
As I pointed out Monday, whatever people think the government should do, the D.C. politicos have actually been a large part of the problem:
Because government policy is ensuring high unemployment, it is not surprising that the American protesters are angry at the Federal Reserve and other government institutions, and not just the big Wall Street banks.
Remember, Bush and Obama’s economic policies are virtually indistinguishable. Indeed, Obama actually likes high unemployment.
And as I noted in 2009, the government created the giant banks:
As MIT economics professor and former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson points out today, the official White House position is that:
(1) The government created the mega-giants, and they are not the product of free market competition
(2) The White House needs to “regulate and oversee them”, even though it is clear that the government has no real plans to regulate or oversee the banking behemoths
(3) Giant banks are good for the economy
Of course, the government has also made it policy to cover up fraud and protect the fraudsters, and so the free market has no chance to punish fraud or cleanse wrongdoing from the system.
Without government-created moral hazard emboldening casino-style speculation, corruption of government officials, creation of a system of government-sponsored rating agencies which had at its core a model of bribery, and other government-induced distortions of the free market, things wouldn’t have gotten nearly so bad.
Indeed, the government is so corrupt that the head of the economics department at George Mason University says that D.C. politicians are worse than prostitutes … they are “pimps”, since they are pimping out the American people to the financial giants.
And while co-option of government by the big banks is a huge problem, it is also true that corruption in government leads to corruption in the private sector. See this and this. The U.S. has truly become a banana republic, just like the worst Latin American countries.
So anyone who thinks that government would solve all of our problems if it were only freed from obstructionists is only seeing half the problem, and is falling for the oldest trick in the book … the ole’ divide and conquer strategy.
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do you really think those fascistic Occupy WSers are going to stop at the banks? Those little maggots will come to your house looking for your silver and gold when they are done with the banks. best to stock up on cases of 7.62. X 39 and be ready to share.
If this were an intelligent mob they would start on K street by killing the lobbyists, then proceed to the capital where every member of congress would be arrested, tried and executed for treason to the American people.
Occupy WS is just a bullshit side show orchestrated by the white house so that the Dems can appear to be the party of change
sound familiar?
7.62 just one of several calibers stockpiled. Best to have some food and a water source figured out, too. Things will get ugly, very ugly.
Tea Party, OWS, the Coming Insurrection, Restore _______ (fill in the blank), etc.... are all side shows to fill the airwaves with something between commercials.
I just pray the grand finale isn't WW3, but right now I think it's a coin toss. The elite are evil motherfuckers.
Occupy Wall Street? Hell, Occupy the Federal Reserve banks!
I agree. And I like the way it was referred to as above, calling the banking system the banking cartels. The IMF, WORLD BANK, FEDERAL RESERVE, etc. But we must not forget the war propheteers also. Take Iraq for instance. Halliburton makes lots of money during war. Where there is war, there is Halliburton. So while Halliburton and all the other war propheteers got rich off of this Iraq war, the American Solder got dead. We have to stop excepting this tradeoff. They didn't die for our Country, they died so the war propheteers can get rich. Sadaam was never a threat to America. Hell, I even heard that the World Bank is propheting on the the opium fields of Afghanistan and that American solders are there to protect this opium trade. Don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Make $350-650 a week "protesting" on Wall Street.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html
I'm sure this will bump up Obama's created-or-saved jobs count.
After the revolution, $350-$650 a week will be the salary range of the 99%. Get your shovels out boys and girls, we are going to dig turnips and beets today. Of course, the new ruling elite (the puppet masters of OWS) will live high on the hog vacationing in Spain, South Africa, and the Hamptons.
Not a bad idea to sponsor some unemployed person who has both the time and the desire to be there to represent you.
I find no connection to OWS in your link or on the related organization's website. It's just a normal community activist posting.
Is this just more divide-and-conquer misinformation on your part or do I need to work on my reading?
Here's how they are connected. Make no doubt. This is a communist movement that is well organized and well funded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOxERtkwN4&feature=player_embedded#!
If you say so. I don't suppose there would be anybody interested in misrepresenting it, after all. Other than the people there, the evil populist menace that hovers o're the land, the international communist conspiracy, and their overlords, of course.
If I weren't an athiest, I'd have to recognize The Devil, but I'll leave that to other more astutely spiritual observers.
Exactly my point. A communist uprising under a red banner would not stand a chance in this country. But direct action against the rich and against bankers might just fool enough people before it's too late. Ask yourself "who has the most to gain from this movement"? From un-rest? From scuffles with police? From riots? Who is in the best position to take advantage of the situation? Do you really think the enemies of this country (foriegn and domestic) will let a crisis go to waste?
"A crisis is the playground of a tyrannt" - James Madison, 4th President
There are always snakes in every plot of grass itching to have their way. But fuckin' a, I think we're getting "warned" enough . . . and unfortunately for these vigilant patriots--and even for the rest of us, given the very real need for dissent in every crowd--their absurd claim that they "know" what's going on indelibly destroys their credibility on this subject completely.
Great link...
Healthcare, green employment,... sounds a little bit Acorn inspired isn´t it?
Paid Obamish protesters in action
A World Revolution on October 15th? There's been one since the begining of the year. The US media keeps asking what the protest is about, meanwhile the rest of the world is asking what took so long?
World Revolution News-Covering the revolution since the begining of June
http://www.youtube.com/user/zedgehero
Reply to Zero Hero: Thanks for the link, I subscribed for the Friday updates.
Preparation meeting held for occupy Toronto starting Oct 15th last night.
Being held in a park 2 blocks from my office.
http://goldandsilverlinings.com/?p=1686
Thanks for the update, GW. This is the next step in an evolving movement, it just get's more intense from here on out. I think we'll likely see a major iBank (BofA?) sacrificed to the public, winter break, then a spring/summer 2012 resumption. Then folks, better have your beans, bullets and bullion...
Ready. ;-)
I see no winter break ahead. Properly equipped, these young people can persevere through the worst that Mother Nature has to offer in NYC. And--unlike a million "street people" in this country--they will be well provisioned.
Strife serves only to amplify the message. Look what a little police brutality did for the cause.
When the wind is swirling the deep snows of winter around their huddled masses, a single picture will be worth far more than any amount of money could ever buy.
IMO.
Picture a modern day Valley Forge, bitchez.
This genie is out of the bottle for good.
Equipped by whom? And will they have fair trade parkas or what?
The public. They're getting public support from sources as widespread as their participants--which include the Tea Party, the army of usefully aligned idiots out trolling misinformation about it notwithstanding.
It will be interesting to see who will endure the winter for a cause.
Are you suggesting that those who ask questions are trolls?
In sales one learns to recognize and overcome objections. A successful salesman would never scream "troll" at someone who wanted to see the washing instructions before purchasing a jacket or someone who wanted to know the mpg before buying a car.
That was a brief observation congruent with your point, but it was neither the primary point of my remark nor is it worth the time or negative impact wrt OWS.
I'm really not interested in playing the game.
I'm not playing a game either. That's why I ask questions.
I have spent the past 30 minutes attempting to find an e-mail address for the mayor's office of NYC to compalin about his comments regarding the occupy wall street protestors. I find it vile and disgusting, and his support of nth be jack booted police thugs. His comments will be bringing me down thyere to protest. If anyone has a way to reach the mayor's office, plase post.
http://bit.ly/pBKA6B
good article on #OccupyWallStreet
http://www.fastcompany.com/1785698/occupy-wall-streets-leadership-trail?
and a bad article (courtesy of Mike's prop machine)
http://www.bloomberg.com/money-gallery/2011-09-19/portraits-of-peaceful-...
Here's what the OWS movement spawned in Sacramento.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/10/07/some-%E2%80%98occupy-sacrament...
Blueridgeviews: You are a brilliant public defender who can cut straight through the financials’ murky world of smoke and mirrors . You’ve boiled down a ton of financial gobbledygook that deliberately obscures two of Goldman Sachs’ major current sins into one of the most precise, concise statements I’ve yet to read. It’s almost poster size. All your points were excellent suggestions for signs.
With your talent and knowledge, you’re vitally needed to channel this debate toward the real fire creating the smoke. Obviously, President Obama’s phrasemakers would like to categorize protesters in a way to support his reelection as Rush Limbaugh would like to identify every leftwing statement they make as a Democrat Party protest because he wants to diffuse the movement.
The truth is, and i saw it myself among protesters yesterday, that the movement is only now finding its legs - I saw signs supporting public unions and signs saying Impeach Obama and Audit Bernanke – Ron Paul. Overwhelmingly, however, the signs opposed War and Wall Street.
So don’t be fooled by biased media (such as the article, Some ‘Occupy Sacramento’ Protesters Lash Out At Questions, that you referenced) because finding a spokesman or a sign to fit your message in a grassroots crowd such as this makes obvious your stance as it did CBS reporter Tony Lopez ‘s who ended his biased report in Sacramento’s Cesar Chavez Park by plugging Obama for president.
Anyone with a camera and a microphone and a crowd that big can identify it in any way he wants – and it’s obvious that’s what CBS did.
Where are the signs demanding Bernanke's and Geither's resignation?
Where are the signs demanding that the prosecutions begin for Goldman Sach's crooked involvement in CDO's and the Greek's falsified financial statement prior to being accepted in the Euro?
Where are the signs demanding the suicidal spending of congress stop immediately?
While I agree with protesting the current state of affairs, the place for protesting should be in DC surrounding the Federal Reserve, the SEC, and the Treasury buildings! Without the blessing and aid of the Federal Government's power, Wall Street's power to screw the world would be limited.
There was some reporting of late that exposed many of these protestors as quite ignorant. Many did not know who Bernanke, Geithner or even Buffett were. In spirit, the protests are correct, but in reality without any true leadership and a proper dissemination of knowledge it is limited in scope. That doesn't mean these protests can't mutate into something much more informed and hence more dangerous.....
These are useful idoits for the masters that ecventually claim leadership of this movement. The ending of this will not be good if the very people who are showing up haven't a clue why they are there.
Here's some paper. Here's a marker. Get to it!
Read the news. All of those are either planned for this weekend or this month. As for signs, how many pictures should be posted; one for every unique sign? Search the Internet for pictures and you will see plenty of those signs, including some more radical calling for boiled rope.
Do some research.
DON'T JUST SIT THERE. COME JOIN US AND FIGHT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC
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DON'T JUST SIT THERE. COME JOIN US AND FIGHT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC
"Don't just sit there. Come join us and fight for the constitution and the republic"
Confused. Where does it say you have the right to get something for nothing in the constitution? Better yet, where does it say redistribution of wealth is your right?
It is obvious by the ignorance of your question that you spent NO TIME researching and understanding Oath Keepers.
why do they all have to want the same thing? many want what I want... wall streed criminal bankers put in jail for the crimes they committed. an end to foreign influence on U.S. policy. an end to the idiot and wasteful imoral wars... that is in the constitution. the federal reserve act is a monster that never should have seen the light of day.
Thanks GW for the update. The Oath Keepers will be a welcome addition to the party downtown. I have not personally felt this level excitement and hope since '68-'72. This is much, much bigger and more important than those exciting times. The OWSers are correctly targeting the fraudulently obtained wealth/power and the institutions that enable that.
Let's get this Second American Revolution rolling.
10 days until Black Monday II
any branded politician going down there is just a whore - just trying to co-opt those who had mastered the media for the moment - even the attitude of teaching them the value of the constitution is specious - they already know it - either go down, put up a tent and join it, and be part of the amorphous entity, or they are camera-chasing and praying to coopt the bodies that are there into their agenda. What horseshit. The military guys get it, the branded-politicians don't.
What they are responding to is the undefined nature. Political groups are all about their definition. They're like Facebook Ads, whorish, irrelevant little bugs that jump on your leg and your'e wondering wtf you did to warrant their presence. It's a blob they want to brand. It's meatspace marketing, the newest NASCAR.
They should forget their agendas - the people that showed up for weeks aren't into their "agenda". They're into creating a voice, a presence of alert dissatsifaction. Tea Partiers won't get their claws in. Neither will Obama.
I'll be there next week. As soon as I get home from Dubai. Any good bars in the area?
but only if they understand what free market capitalism is and acknowledge that America has not practiced free market capitalism for some time.
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What have people to understand? It is another litmus test as US citizens love them so much.
Please provide a definite time period bracket with the following format:
The US practized free market capitalism from [insert date(dd,mm,yy) ] to [insert date(dd,mm,yy)]
It is as simple as that.
Secondly, people have to explain how the current economy is not free market. It is rather funny and of course unsurprising that US citizens mix two trends: government intervention and private agents intervention.
On one, they say that their representatives are bought out by private agents like corporations and on second, they state that government intervention is interfering with free market.
So, one, they state that government is just a proxy for private interests and two, that the intervention of private interests is messing the free markets.
Makes no sense. Government is just a proxy here. Nothing in free market theory suggests that interventions by private interests are to be avoided.
Wont get any answer from the author as this guy is your typical US citizen, that is a propagandist. But still the challenge is opened, other US citizens are free to answer the call.
I feel the same way about free market capitalism.
It would be a good idea, but it is not what we have now. Instead, we have either socialism, fascism or a type of looting.
If people want to criticize capitalism and propose an alternative, that is fine . . . but only if they understand what free market capitalism is and acknowledge that America has not practiced free market capitalism for some time.
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Ah, the US citizen nature is eternal.
Criticism does not have to be constructive. Constructive criticism is a shallow attempt at censorship. Criticizing goes without the necessity of providing an alternative.
Likewise, assessing whether an assumption is true or false does not require to provide the true answer if the assumption is proven false.
Here we face US citizens trend to pour responsibility onto others and try to reap anything positive as theirs.
Imagine that situation: you go and see a mechanics for a car breakdown. The mechanics comes up with an explanation that you know to be false.
In the world wanted by US citizens, you would have to shut up or put up an alternative.
Now the best: imagine you know the real cause of the break down, is that US citizen mechanics going to pay for doing his job? No. He will bill the expertise work to you as if he was his. In the end, you pay for a work you have done yourself.
This is the kind of pitfalls US citizens want to push the world in.
Anyone coming with assumptions on a certain system (like US citizenism, capitalism, socialism etc) have to provide the evidences of it and have to cope with the criticism and the exhibition of falsehood.
Critics/disprovers do not have to provide anything but the evidences backing up their assumption. Not alternate system, nothing at all.
Hey, look you moron, we aren't against capitalism, we would just like to give it a try. We aren't against free markets, we just want to see one in our lifetimes. We are not asking for anything we don't earn from our own labour, we just want to be able to find honest work.
The alternative I want is for what I have been told is free market capitalism to exist, not the current facsist oligarchy that disguises itself as such.
It's quite obvious you've had a large gulp of the Kool-Aide, and it is useless trying to explain reality. Carry on in your dream world, and I hope it works out for you.
Same observation as usual. Most protesters have dark hair.
Where are light haired people? all among the cops?
Your argument is about hair color? That is pretty sad even for you!
What are you? A rouge hairstylist stomping out the U.S. citizens grip on the world by giving them bad haircuts.
He made an observation asshole. Like 70% of dark skinned children are born to single mothers. I know why the light haired aren't there protesting...do you? The SAME reason the dark skinned children are born to single mothers. We're DIFFERENT. I'm a light hair...I don't NEED to be there protesting. How about you? Are you a "darkie"? Then you can't understand...you literally may not have the capacity.
Observation?? It's one thing to talk about skin color fuck head, but hair color?? You are as stupid as the ass fuck I was commenting on!
And for you ignorant uninformed ass! I have done plenty, just look my ass up if you are not to fucking lazy! 2) My wife has fucking brown skin, as well as, my children. So jam it up your ass!! AnAnynomous is an embarrassment to brown skin, brown haired people everywhere! If, in fact, that is who he is fighting for??? You may want to take the time to look him up, as well, before you take his side. You idiot!!
Oh the emerging American leadership understands. They just don't care about how the balls land in the hopper because wider discussions of these variables leads to externalizing the problems. Perhaps Sir, you should consider upgrading your behavioral analytic software. And I will personally debate either one of you and syndicate it globally whenever your ready. Here is my phone number 603-953-3388. Where's your phone number? Oh II forgot, your generation still believes we can still operate and battle for unlimited privacy.
Hey, I think you have it all dialed in. In fact, the light haired ones (dare we call them Arians?) would be a great group to manage the other races with their superior intellect and managerial skills.
Zig heil!
Not Zig, Sieg.
Not my argument. An argument stemming from US citizenism.
Most demonstrators have dark hair. Light haired people seem to be among the cops.
What is going on there?
How does it come that blond haired people are policing dark hair people?
Very interested in knowing about that.