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Update On Wall Street Protests
WWII Vet to Wall Street Protesters: “I Am So Proud Of All You People” WWII and Other Military Vets Support Wall Street Protest
A reader posted the following comment regarding the Occupy Wall Street protests:
I am so proud of all you people who are showing your back bones, to stand up and put a stop to the Banking cartel, who is defining History, by insisting that We The People, use their Fiat Money system. Our Constitution states, that Only Gold and Silver shall be used as lawful Money. The So Called Federal Government, is really only to have Ten Square Miles, in which to conduct their so called wisdom to Protect the Sovereign States. But look at how much territory they call, Federal lands etc. We Have a rouge Government, which is completely out of control. Your movements of collective peaceful protests, are the beginning of the end for the crooked Fiat Money people. I am a WWII Vet, South Pacific Campaign. 94 years young, handy capped, from War Injuries. I want you to know from my Heart, I am so proud of each and every one of you. So Hang in there, your movement is just what this Country needs.
I’m not certain whether the reader is one of these gentlemen attending the Occupy Wall Street protests:
In fact, military men of all ages support the protests:
Conservatives Support Protests Conservative Groups Support Protests
Last month, I called on conservative groups to endorse the Occupy Wall Street protests:
It is time for some big conservative endorsements, to rally around the non-partisan issues important to all Americans.
The Tea Party should endorse the protests, but so should the Oath Keepers, taxpayer rights groups, conservative Christians, limited government groups, and all other conservative groups.
Karl Denninger – one of the founders of the Tea Party – certainly supports the protests, even if he doesn’t agree with some of the positions taken by some of the protesters.
And yesterday, the Oath Keepers and a founding member of the Tea Party announced that they are supporting the protests:
Common Ground Between Conservatives and LiberalsOath Keepers sees good reason to stand in the streets with these awakening souls and protect their right to free speech, to peacefully assemble, and to redress their grievances to their government, as the Constitution prescribes for all Americans. That is one thing. Another facet of our initiative is to use these public gatherings to reach and teach many who now hunger for the truth – we can show them how the Constitution will protect them better than an oversized, bloated Federal behemoth hell-bent on controlling every aspect of each citizen’s life.
To point this out to the masses, Oath Keepers is organizing a joint effort along with Alex Jones of Infowars dot com (who himself called for an Occupy the Fed movement); Steven Vincent of End The Fed; Danny Panzella’s Truth Squad TV; Brandon Smith of Alt-Mkt.com; Gary Franch of Restore The Republic; and others as quickly as we can contact them. Remember Bob Dwyer, the guy who started the first Tea Party to launch the Ron Paul revolution? He’s in. The forces of Constitutional rule of law must muster now to deflect the bile being belched forth by the socialist/statist extremists …. Oath Keepers has the message American youth need. If we do not go out into the street and give them the truth, can we really say we’re still honoring our Oath?
As I’ve previously noted, both liberals and conservatives hate corporate socialism (where the federal government favors giant corporations at the expense of the little guy) . The Oathkeepers announcement zeroes in on this issue in a way that both conservatives and liberals can agree on:
When a corporation becomes larger than is useful, and seeks to concentrate financial power into the political and governmental spheres, its likeness is no longer the King Snake, but instead is more like a Rattlesnake. At a point we call such corps “Monopoly Capitalists”. By the time a grouping of such Monopoly Capitalist corps are setting U.S. foreign policy, which the arms industry certainly does nowadays, the problem becomes unbearably apparent. Bechtel comes to mind, along with Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, Monsanto, General Electric, et al.
That part of Wall Street is certainly to blame. But that is not “Capitalism”. Instead, it is “Monopoly Capitalism”, and it is now observably moving America into a new world order with intent to place America under the alleged authority of a one-world government. As such, Monopoly Capitalism is un-Constitutional and must be opposed.
While Michael Moore says that capitalism itself is the problem, Mr. Moore is wrong. As I’ve previously noted:
Corrupt Politicians As Enablers of CorruptionWhen Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought about Western civilization, he answered:
I think it would be a good idea.
I feel the same way about free market capitalism.
It would be a good idea, but it is not what we have now. Instead, we have either socialism, fascism or a type of looting.
If people want to criticize capitalism and propose an alternative, that is fine . . . but only if they understand what free market capitalism is and acknowledge that America has not practiced free market capitalism for some time.
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People pointing to the Western economies and saying that capitalism doesn’t work is as incorrect as pointing to Stalin’s murder of millions of innocent people and blaming it on socialism. Without the government’s creation of the too big to fail banks, Fed’s intervention in interest rates and the markets, government-created moral hazard emboldening casino-style speculation, corruption of government officials, creation of a system of government-sponsored rating agencies which had at its core a model of bribery, and other government-induced distortions of the free market, things wouldn’t have gotten nearly as bad.
As Justice Louis Brandeis said:
In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipotent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. If government becomes a lawbreaker it breeds contempt for law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy.
If there has been lawlessness and corruption among Wall Street players, it was partially simply modeling the lawlessness and corruption of the Executive Branch and Congress members. I’ve written elsewhere about how the government lied by saying Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was behind 9/11 (when he didn’t and wasn’t), that we don’t torture (when we did), that we don’t spy on Americans (when we did), etc. Just like kids model what their parents do as well as what they say, Wall Street modeled the unlawful and corrupt actions of our government employees.
Being against capitalism because of the mess we’ve gotten in would be like Gandhi saying that he is against Western civilization because of the way the British behaved towards India.
The Oathkeepers and conservative alternative media powerhouse Alex Jones also zero in on the Federal Reserve system as a core problem. As Oath Keepers notes in its announcement:
Oath Keepers is planning to “Occupy The Fed Now!” and publicize this to remind the Occupy Wall Street people that the Fed is the source problem, without which the Wall Street criminals would be set back a hundred years. I will be posting our press release and a longer list of groups and orgs who will be joining Oath Keepers in this initiative.
We are currently drawing up our press release regarding our own response to the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon, which will be Oath Keepers’ official statement. We are now planning an official Oath Keepers project which we’ve named “Occupy The Fed Now!”.
Yes, Oath Keepers has seen the need to block the attempted takeover of the populist movement generally referred to as Occupy Wall Street.
In an extensive phone conference on the evening of October 04, 2011, we heard from Oath Keepers who have attended Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Boston, Occupy Los Angeles, and Occupy Seattle. The overall consensus from our people at these rallies is that most people attending the rallies are very open-minded to the Oath Keepers mission/message, and that they are hungry for answers. Indeed, our reports indicate that many Americans right now are awakening, in droves it seems, and they are full of questions for which we have the answer – the Constitution for the united States of America.
While progressives might assume that the Fed has helped the economy from getting worse, or that the importance of ending the Fed is being overhyped, top economists and financial experts disagree. See this, this and this.
As I pointed out Monday, whatever people think the government should do, the D.C. politicos have actually been a large part of the problem:
Because government policy is ensuring high unemployment, it is not surprising that the American protesters are angry at the Federal Reserve and other government institutions, and not just the big Wall Street banks.
Remember, Bush and Obama’s economic policies are virtually indistinguishable. Indeed, Obama actually likes high unemployment.
And as I noted in 2009, the government created the giant banks:
As MIT economics professor and former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson points out today, the official White House position is that:
(1) The government created the mega-giants, and they are not the product of free market competition
(2) The White House needs to “regulate and oversee them”, even though it is clear that the government has no real plans to regulate or oversee the banking behemoths
(3) Giant banks are good for the economy
Of course, the government has also made it policy to cover up fraud and protect the fraudsters, and so the free market has no chance to punish fraud or cleanse wrongdoing from the system.
Without government-created moral hazard emboldening casino-style speculation, corruption of government officials, creation of a system of government-sponsored rating agencies which had at its core a model of bribery, and other government-induced distortions of the free market, things wouldn’t have gotten nearly so bad.
Indeed, the government is so corrupt that the head of the economics department at George Mason University says that D.C. politicians are worse than prostitutes … they are “pimps”, since they are pimping out the American people to the financial giants.
And while co-option of government by the big banks is a huge problem, it is also true that corruption in government leads to corruption in the private sector. See this and this. The U.S. has truly become a banana republic, just like the worst Latin American countries.
So anyone who thinks that government would solve all of our problems if it were only freed from obstructionists is only seeing half the problem, and is falling for the oldest trick in the book … the ole’ divide and conquer strategy.
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The dollars stopped flowing to her spacious, empty head?
of course, I can't believe you are getting junked
people hate to be fooled. but the buyers remorse on the Obama side is ten times as bad
GW, the video made by G4T or George 4 Title is crap. G4T is a total foooking crook, con artist, scamer...he even admitted it in one of his videos after he got called out and destroyed on youtube by a guy who picked him and his crooked friends apart. The occupy wall stree movement can be derailed if losers like G4T are allowed in.
I am of the understanding that he was mislead on his outlook and called himself on it. That, to me, speaks more of character than any of our elected or non-elected leaders have displayed.
OWS was initiated by actual, legitimate 'losers' otherwise they would be part of the 1%.
I'm encouraged to see the OWS protests, but know from recent TEA party history, that few of the protestors have a clue about what they want or what they actually protest. I think they're just beginning to wake up and are in the herd. Later, they will be looking for more information, and we should eventually see a bunch of new names on Zero Hedge as they learn.
But G4T, et al, shouldn't be discredited for misinformation they believed in at the time. That would mean every single one of us that once were asleep and accepted the government propaganda as 'news' should be ignored.
I don't want to be ignored...anymore.
G4T would like you to think he was dumb and innocent. If you are interested in the details here is a series of vids showing the connections between G4T and his buddies and their scams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDxUjMOKROU
I just read the oathkeepers site. I think the Oct 7th 2 PM update is the important one.
Just sayin'
link please?
It is in the article above.
"Oath Keepers notes that certain forces (socialists and Marxists) are attempting to co-opt their awakening by pointing a finger at Wall Street and using the very real and well documented corruption there, which is certainly obvious to all, to attack “capitalism”. They are using the sins of corporatism, a.ka. crony capitalism, to attach the ideal of a free market and economic freedom in general, in order to persuade our youth that socialism (a soft form of communism) is to be preferred over the madhouse tactics of berserk corporate America, or, “Wall Street”. They are presenting them a false choice between fascism (which is the proper name for a marriage between big government and big business) and Marxism, while totally ignoring the free market and sound money that our Constitutional Republic is supposed to have."
of all of that bullshyte you typed, I am glad you admitted that what we currently have is early stages of f@scism. i couldn't had beaten this out of anyone here for a while now. thanks
What bullshit. It is their words not mine.
Just dump0 some helicopter full of money
http://mises.org/daily/5743/Inflationists-in-Wolves-Clothing
This is dangerous. If our military wants to get involved they either do it at the direction of orders that ultimately come from the commander in chief, or they do it out of uniform and as civilians. Any in uniform military member that confronts the police should be immediately discharged.
We cannot become a banana republic where the government has its own military organize against it.
THIS IS OUR MILITARY SUPPORTING THE RESTORATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEM TO DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND!
SUPPORT OUR MILITARY! RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION! END THE FED!
They wish to protect the protesters rights and from harm and damage, because the police won't, because the lawmen are the corrupt and lawless.
Get it now?
talk down to folks much? Good luck with the bridge building.
What is it with you?
I was responding to CapitalistRock - not you.
Want some talking down to?
This is called a thread, and it has a nested heirachy. The nesting
Indicates which commenter is responding to which comment.
Notice that my reply is NOT nested under yours.
Pretty simple so far, huh?
Do you think you can handle things from here now?
And I don't remember ever saying I was building bridges, I just participate in zh, so I'll leave this bridge building activity to you.
Already happened.
Consider putting some time aside to catch up on stuff. Prouty's "The Secret Team" might be a good place to start.
The "Commander-in-Chief" is an alien. Members of the military need to act accordingly. In or out of uniform.
He isn't in uniform. That style went out some years back. He is wearing surplus.
Like nmewn said, get a grip .. I'll add a clue or just a little O2.
Get a grip on yourself.
You will know the US has its Consitution back when the first politician is legally executed for Treason.
and the ngroes can't vote any longer
aside from the fact you misspelled Constitution. After Watergate they passed the Sunshine Laws, which made candidates reveal where they received their campaign contributions. There was only one man convicted under the Sunshine Laws, Rep Geo Hansen of Idaho. I shook his hand once on a campaign tour or rural SE Idaho. such things do work, although now we have laws which allow foreign and corporate interests to contribute, one hanging would not be enough
"So anyone who thinks that government would solve all of our problems if it were only freed from obstructionists is only seeing half the problem" - Bingo! My sentiments exactly!
The protests are well organized, but by who? It has no resemblence to the Tea Party protests, which were a spontaneous uprising of ordinary people against the impigement of rights and size of government. Half the Tea Party groups still don't coordinate between themselves. There is no common theme in occupy Wall Street, just "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore", and I fear, protest for the sake of protest. It will solve nothing because no solutions are offered.
Ask the Egyptians, or the families whose relatives were killed, how they feel about the success of their revolution. It has been predictably usurped by the Muslim Brotherhood and the military. The usefull idiots had legitamate beefs, but they shed their blood for powers waiting in the background. Elections will be postponed until the Brotherhood is certain of taking control, and they have made the right deal with the miltary. The people promoting the demonstrations goal was to bring down the government and then take power in the vacuum created.
There will be an escallation of violence here, because that is the goal of those behind the demonstrations. I agree with many of the complaints of the protestors, (not, I kid you not, with the woman I heard on the radio who is against the conspiracy of mutinational corporation to convince people that natural body odor is bad and coerce everyone to use soap and deodorant) but I believe that the people that are organizing the protests don't care if those grievances are addressed. They only seek chaos for chaos' sake, and they are ready to leap in the breach and further limit our already limited constitutional rights if they succeed in destroying the Republic. Call me silly, but if you are a student of history, refer to France and Russia. How many know that for six brief months after the Russian revolution, Russia was a democracy?
I, for one, am not prepared to cheer for a popular uprising just because it addresses legitamate grievances. The French found out that bringing down the government with no plan for a replacement eventually results in mobs cheering at the guillotene, and those executed can end up being far removed from the people against whom the orginal grievances were directed. That can include some of the principled but naive leaders of the original revolution.
If the protestors want solutions, why aren't they in Washington at the Department of Justice protesting the lack of any serious prosecutons, or at the Treasury protesting the bail outs, or the Capital, protesting the lack of term limits and abundance of corruption? Perhaps it's because they haven't thought it through it and are being manipulated as tools by the same people that are supplying the meals at the protest?
"spontaneous"? lol. teabaggers are the very definition of astroturf. but I do like the "legend". "we all got together in protest of TARP bailout", which we have never mentioned after that, nor have mentioned banks, investigations, too fucken big to fail, or any of that...none whatsoever....but we think the taxes are too high...i mean are you really this dumb?
That's a lie, plain and simple. What's your agenda?
Read up on natural "Self-Organizing Systems". These are everywhere in nature. Humans do it all the time. Something that is highly organized is often not being organized by someone.
A flock of birds ... or a protesting crowd ... they just do what they do, and they are thus self-organized.
+ also read up on "fourth generation warfare", and "horizontal organization".
It is a brave new world comrades!
ADD: If you have not already done so, rent/buy "The Battle of Algiers".
Must see movie.
sorry...this whole thing is about as 'natural' as the sudden reappearance of the deadliest strains of the "Spanish Flu," about 90 years after it was supposedly dead and buried. Then some 'scientists' starting digging up frozen corpses and, well, you know the rest of that story....
Humans are surely 'highly organized' but that somehow seems to lead more to constantly wreaking havoc on 'nature' rather than following it's example. There's an 'invisible hand' at work here, and it sure isn't that of the 'market'. But I do appreciate your input...I suddenly realized this is starting to remind me of Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing in "HORROR EXPRESS"... sometimes the noblest of intentions lead to...well, watch the movie sometime.
JOYFUL is, if you know him/her, a delightful character who, along with Tim Leary, Owsley and others cracked LSD's difficult code and discovered the secret of the 'giga' trip.
S/he writes, on a different blog: ",... had to make the journey on a bicycle. On the way, my condition rapidly deteriorated as I struggled with feelings of anxiety, alternating in my belief that the next-door neighbor was a malevolent witch, that I was going insane, and that the LSD had poisoned me. When the house doctor arrived, however, he could detect no physical abnormalities, save for a pair of incredibly dilated pupils. Reassured, and my terror began to give way to a sense of good fortune and enjoyment..."
I think we've all been there.
JOYFUL (his./her name says it all) went on to found Bicycle Day in San Francisco, when all the participants paint their nude bodies and ride around on bicycles. We think have located JOYFUL in the photos we have of most of the riders in the pack, We need some DNA to confirm.
To that end a reward of $100 will be paid to anyone who can obtain JOYFUL'S bicycle seat. :- ) ( -:
(seriously, i have pix of this years ride if you want them)
sorry dude, not me...but nice try on the chararacter assassination bid...
actually we did that here on ZH last Thursday on the Steve Jobs thread...if you didn't get your fill there, umm, maybe YOU should take up bike riding...get rid of some of the passive aggressive issues that appear to be bedeviling you. You must be seriously short on debating skills, and a little light on your social calendar to go to all that trouble for nought.
JOYFUL
That's me. Over the top. All of the time. I came back here to see if I could delete my remarks. I hope you'll accept my sincere apology for that juvenile rant.
"A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn."
Or as Hamlet says:
" I have shot mine arrow o'er the house
And hurt my brother (sibling)"
BTS
The Revolution always devours its children. I see a lot of tasty stuff out there. So be it.
I TOTALLY feel you on this. but you cannot control what's coming. your position is basically "hold the elevator for me, i'm not sure yet what floor we're going to"
it is wise in light of 'history' but in light of the reality that messy uprisings DO happen and are just how uprisings occur becuase they are always going to be relatively uncertain messy affairs, does not mean you are reasonable in requesting people to hold the elevator until you are ready to get on .
i mean, i think you are correct about your assement, but you are ignoring the fact that if you don't let the elevator door close and hold it open too long, sometimes , it breaks the door or fucks up the gears or something.
get on board already bud, just wear your helmet.
"If the protestors want solutions, why aren't they in Washington at the Department of Justice protesting the lack of any serious prosecutons, or at the Treasury protesting the bail outs, or the Capital, protesting the lack of term limits and abundance of corruption? Perhaps it's because they haven't thought it through it and are being manipulated as tools by the same people that are supplying the meals at the protest? "
They aren't in Washington because they don't understand that that is where the source of the problem lies. I think these people honestly believe if we would kill all the bankers and CEO's, drop helicopters full of money everywhere, and let the folks in Washingon take over, then we'd be in Nirvana.
These are not people fighting for any sort of freedom, they are fighting to maintain the status quo or worse, but most fail to understand this since Wall Street and CEO's have been successfully demonized in our society. Justifiable in some cases, but not all as they assert.
If we are honest with ourselves, we'd see that this is where we are at today!
http://mises.org/daily/5752/The-Fascist-Threat
This argument has been debunked a dozen times: Wall street and the Fed OWN DC. You don't go to the godfather's goons and ask them to reign in their boss.
Please define "Wall Street."
Is everyone who works on Wall Street an enemy? How about everyone who owns a business on Wall Street? What about those who work on Madison Avenue? Are they innocent because of their address?
Robespierre would have a field day with this.
Why do I get downranked when I say that, and you get upranked? Maybe it's the bunny avatar instead of the vulture about to eat a starving baby avatar. Anyway, you're absolutely right.
A country divided is a country straining to come together or straining to divide further apart.
Which are we?
Either way, status quo power is not going to like the result unless they determine the outcome is to their advantage.
And if they don't like the result expect a response to fight it. Really fight it.
The game is on now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Wbh6HOWwA&feature=player_detailpage
i'm don't know if i'm the "t" or the "p" yet.
The OWS movement and its apparent longevity I must admit, has somewhat taken me by surprise, and now that unions, that useful idiot Michael Moore and a number of other players have entered in, I see that now more than ever a need to carefully watch its progression. The old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only holds true so long as the common adversary remains defined. Whilst I have no doubt about the motives of most of those on the conservative or constitutional side, the left or progressives entering the fray are an unknown and unpredictable quantity. Bedfellows such as these make sleeping with one eye open, shall we say prudent if not a downright necessity.
Think more broadly. Read my reply.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/update-wall-street-protests#comment...
All participants are welcome precisely because we must all participate.
Thank you, Oathkeepers.
I've always had your backs, and I am glad to see it is reciprocated. If lead starts flying, I will be there standing shoulder to shoulder, and I'll bring food, medical supplies, ammo and silver with me.
Lets get this party started.
Strange i called them out days ago on Zerohedge....
Ok Oathkeepers now I support you as you are standing with the people in action..
Thank you.
Thank you George for your outlook
I hope this occupation is indefinite, but something tells me it's made possible by the mild weather. Once it gets colder, it will fizzle out.
This is the Indian Summer of our discontent.
Keep it peaceful but I still dream about throwing a molatov through Jamie Dimon's office window.
Read my reply.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/update-wall-street-protests#comment...
other than needing one hell of a throwing arm to reach the 50th floor, what's stopping you?