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What are some unforeseen outcomes of conditioning our children to live in a police state?

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What are some unforeseen outcomes of conditioning our children to live in a police state? 
Are we really protecting them?  My own observations in concert with one law enforcement officer's view in the wake of Oslo.

POLICE STATE: a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police, and especially secret police, in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to publicly known legal procedures. 
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police%20state

I recently attended a high-school age swimming meet here in Texas.  When we entered the front doors, at 7:30 am, there sat two volunteer parents at a table selling programs and tickets.  Standing less than three feet behind them were two law enforcement officers with hands on hips and eyeing everyone that entered.  It would be 100 degrees outside that day, but they were wearing combat boots, black BDUs, tactical armor in external carriers, pistols, and radios.  The uniform patches and logos on their two brand new black Challengers, illegally parked just outside, identified them as XXXXXX Independent School District Police. 

 

The kids all filed right by these police officers without even a second glance.  Why would they think twice?  After all, these kids are all hard working (swimming twice a day, six days per week, for 2+ hours) and drug free (high school athletes in Texas must agree to random drug tests to participate).  They have nothing to fear from the police, which are there to serve and protect them.

 

When I asked my child about my observation, he explained how the police at his school are, "always around."  He has become accustomed to their presence. 

 

I explained that back in the 80's, when I was in high school, we had a Cancer Hill on campus where the kids went to smoke, and I don't think I ever saw a police officer set foot on our campus in three years.  "Really?" he asked me.  "Really," I said.

 

"Why do you think the police are always present now in school and at swim meets?" I asked. His reply was that he sees them pulling kids out of class almost every day, obtaining consent (LEOs receive extensive training on this), then walking out to the parking lot to search the child's vehicle, or down the hall to search the child's locker and backpack.  I asked him if students always gave consent?  He said they do, as far as he knows.

 

I asked my son what he thought would happen if everyone in his school refused to give consent, and requested that the police get a search warrant, signed by a judge, to search their car or backpack.  He surmised that the number of searches would probably decrease, but the police would surely make trouble for anyone that tried this. 

 

Just a day after this conversation with my son, in the wake of the tragedy in Norway, I read the following from Brian Hoffner. 

 

What will happen to your kid when attacked by an active shooter?

   

We law enforcement have and will continue to train for the active shooter.  When it happens I can only hope that I am close and that I get there first.  Cops like me can’t stand not to be there and to not be there fast. Regardless, we can only get there so fast and people will die while waiting for us. 

 

I don’t find it surprising, just disappointing, that the Norwegian teenagers did not team up and stop this lone shooter from massacring over 80 people.  I’m not so sure it wouldn’t happen the same with American teenagers today.  We saw what happened at Virginia Tech when grown college kids simple waited for their turn to die.

 

I was the keynote speaker a few weeks ago at a state organized school district law enforcement conference.  I discovered that even after Columbine and all the active shooter incidents since that the schools may be having some lock down drills the students are still not being taught that they may have to defend themselves.

 

ADD is the acronym that we recommend the schools use and teach their student body.  A) AVOID- get away, escape the situation to safety.  D) DENY- if you cannot escape, deny the threat access to your location.  Lock and barricade doors, cover windows.  D) DEFEND- If avoid is impossible, and deny has failed and you are about to die…DON’T DIE!  You must defend. Two or more full size students and/or teachers can overpower one individual with a firearm. One must attack the firearm while the other or others attack the shooter.  Take him down and stop him from killing.

  

Apparently, it’s not pleasant to discuss such things with students.  It could scare them.  Let’s just do fire drills instead and tell the kids how smart they are, no kids left behind, just dead on the floor.

  

If you have children in school find out from the administration what the active shooter policy and plan is and what they are telling your children to do.  Remember that YOU are the primary teacher of your children.  It is your responsibility to see them succeed, achieve good grades, get into college, know how to stay safe and if necessary, defend themselves.

 

It’s a great big beautiful world out there, but it just takes one nut to kill eighty people in short order and there are plenty of them out there too.  Do not leave home without your equipment and your head on a spindle.  If you feel like you haven’t been training enough lately, then you haven’t been, take care of it.  

 

Let others be sheep.

 

-Hoff  

 

 

I share Hoffner's concern that, "...students are still not being taught that they may have to defend themselves."  In fact, I believe it is clear that our students are being taught every single day that the government has control of political, economic, and social life through the arbitrary exercises of power by police, in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government such as teachers and principals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 18:10 | 1502504 JW n FL
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Pastor (lil white man) Harassed and then Beaten By United States Border Patrol Agents (operating a check point inside of the United States.. in the State of California. Who happen to be Mexican’s! LOL).

Mexican American Border Patrol Agents Harass / Taze and Beat a Little White Pastor! LOL You can NOT make this shit up!

 

ACTUAL FOOTAGE Pastor Beaten Tazed by Border Patrol DPS (Alex Jones) GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVMZUgmrJrk

 

CNN: Secret Service Visited Pastor Steven Anderson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMEgohWzUds&feature=related

 

Illegal Internal Immigration Checkpoint

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFEj-UBU9Q&feature=related

 

Play "Know Your Rights" A Nazi Style Check Point Inside the USA,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OydW39DZzc&feature=related

 

Mexican’s! Running Border Patrol! And White People being Harrassed! White People will soon be the minority in America!!

Aztlan Bitchez? Aztlan Rising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 18:14 | 1502516 JW n FL
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Military Checkpoints in U.S.A - Wake Up America

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOz6kWBQvqw&NR=1

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 18:18 | 1502532 JW n FL
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"Wake up America!" Still not convinced were in Martial law? 1/2

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gewp3aVWku4&feature=related

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:38 | 1502226 JW n FL
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We need Android phones for all with Affordable High Speed Connections..

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=government+subsidized+high+speed+wireless+internet

 

With everything being run out of the Cloud.. (Solid State Drives, instant info in the cloud)

 

So that all that information can be sifted in real time.. (data mining in real time with automated triggers for alerts!

Location..

Direction..

Searches..

Key Words..

Entire History..

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/04/what-does-your-phone-know-about-you-more-than-you-think/237786/

 

The NSA / Jews have Google / FaceBook and Affordable High Speed (for ALL Thanks Tax Dollars at work!) Connections around the entire United States!

 

WOW!

 

If you fart in the woods! They will have your GPS Location with real time tracking of your co2 emissions!

 

America is soooooooo much safer with the JEWS handling our Security!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:46 | 1501993 steelhead23
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I honestly would prefer that my kids school reaked of MaryJane, was littered with roaches, with bongs in every locker, than for my kids to think its normal to have Borg-like minders in every hall.  Nobody has ever been killed by a bong.  Brain cells maybe.  People, never.  The only cops I want in school are those teaching drivers' safety, or perhaps giving a Just Say No lecture.  Yeah, some loon might go to school and kill some kids.  The world is not safe.  Believing one can give up one's freedoms for safety brings to mind this quote:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:05 | 1502050 JohnFrodo
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Thats a fair descriptiono of my high school, it really was a high school.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:44 | 1501989 Coder
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Homeschool.

My homeschooled twelve year old son was recently with a large group of middle schoolers at church and they came across a situation where they needed a knife to cut some rope or package or something.

So he pulls out his knife and took care of it.

All of his peers were a) astonished he would be allowed to own a knife and b) astonished he would actually be allowed to carry it

He was astonished a) that none of them owned knives and to learn that b) that knives are something that can get you kicked out of school

He sees it as a tool, not a weapon.

Teaching him austrian economics and other worthwhile things instead of advanced multi-cultural tribal feminine studies.

Coder

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:24 | 1502152 dolly madison
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We homeschool too, but my kids aren't high school aged yet.  I have noticed that there is always a police car parked in front of the high school when school is in session.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:07 | 1502068 JohnFrodo
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You might want to also include some kensyian just in case

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:07 | 1502061 Biff Malibu
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We homeschool as well, Power to the People! 

 

By the way, I work in public safety.  The new attitude coming down from the top is that in situations such as school shootings, individual officers arriving piece-meal will not intervene, but set up a perimeter and contain it and then wait for SWAT team to arrive (probably take minimum 20 minutes or greater).  Don't expect any of these school resource officers to run around the hallways by themselves chasing a shooter being a hero. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:43 | 1501983 JW n FL
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Blackwater in New Orleans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBKmPQlJ-M

 

BLACK WATER & KATRINA - violations of our Rights !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLjNUdEWc4&feature=related

 

Private Armies - 52 min documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNVzZNkKtM&feature=related

 

Blackwater Dumping Tarnished Brand Name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdkA5H8bHfk&feature=fvwrel

 

According to new statistics released by the Pentagon, with Barack Obama as commander in chief, there has been a 23% increase in the number of “Private Security Contractors” working for the Department of Defense in Iraq in the second quarter of 2009 and a 29% increase in Afghanistan, which “correlates to the build up of forces” in the country. In Iraq, the Pentagon attributes the increase to better accounting. But, these numbers relate explicitly to DoD security contractors. Companies like Blackwater and its successor Triple Canopy work on State Department contracts and it is unclear if these contractors are included in the over-all statistics. This means, the number of individual “security” contractors could be quite higher, as could the scope of their expansion.

Overall, contractors (armed and unarmed) now make up approximately 50% of  the “total force in Centcom AOR [Area of Responsibility].” This means there are a whopping 242,657 contractors working on these two US wars. These statistics come from two reports just released by Gary J. Motsek, the Assistant Deputy Under Secretary of Defense (Program Support): “Contractor Support of U.S. Operations in USCENTCOM AOR, IRAQ, and Afghanistan and “Operational Contract Support, ‘State of the Union.’”

http://rebelreports.com/post/116277092/obama-has-250-000-contractors-in-iraq-and-afghan

 

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With over 250,000 Private Mercs the Government does NOT need the Local Police or the Federal Authorities to dis-arm America.

 

NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

 

And ALL those Living out in the Woods or in the Country or up in the Hills.. and who think they will never come for them? after they dis-arm the BULK of the Nation?

They will come for the trouble makers! the Militia! those kinds.. first! then they will continue talking the guns from little groups until they get to regular people.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/20/national/main7265045.shtml

The FBI is training taking down multiple people all at once.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/05/news/economy/FBI_hiring/index.htm

and you can see they are growing their numbers! More Government Workers and Less Manufacturing Jobs! YAY!!

But I am just some tin foil hat freak who makes shit up! because I am crazy!! LOL

 

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:14 | 1502323 LetThemEatRand
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Of course Bush/Cheney get credit for developing and implementing the mercinary/private army concept that is being expanded by Obama.   The billionaire Blackwater (Xe) founder Prince was a big fan and friend of Cheney.    It is no coincidence in my opinion that Obama -- who complained on the campaign trail about private armies -- pursues policies that are in fact an expansion of private armies.   I hope no one here is naive enough to believe that the blue or red puppet leaders are not pursuing precisely the same agenda.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:43 | 1501982 sAusAge stroker
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He should try living in massachusetts where you actually aren't allowed to defend yourself.  If you wake up at night and find a stranger in your house, you can't just (legally) shoot them, because you're not allowed to "use more force than was reasonably necessary"

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 05:30 | 1501949 falak pema
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re : I reprint what I said on previous post as it is relevant here.

This is what our future generations should be taught :

 

There is a fundamental flaw in the reasoning of some ZH commentators when considering the current problem. What makes western civilization special, having marked two thousand five hundred years of progress,  is that its methodology, based on primacy of FACT and LAW, makes all decision making subservient to logic that searches for truth within the boundaries of both factual truths and legal limits voted by the lawmakers. 

What differentiates political power players like the Oligarchs, who fashion the contours of our economy and define the key directional thrust of its momentum,  however reckless may be its roller coaster ride, is that their perspective is based on defining WHAT constitutes the GOOD of society from their view point. This contradicts what civil society, you, I, all those who belong to middle society and whose interests are supposed to be protected by good governance, by media (4th estate) and by the legal system (3rd estate), has as its definition of what constitutes General Good : from time immemorial it is NOT WHAT to think, reason-of-state type dogma, that defines this key objective of good governance, but HOW to think, the due process of law respectful of facts,  that searches for and then defines the truth about the consequences of our past acts and the subsequent remedial actions that it requires based on due process. 

Therein lies the rub. The Oligarchs today like the Church yesterday are ONLY interested in WHAT to think; defending ostensibly western values, civilization and core traditions. Like the church yesterday they are prepared to kill both the external enemy and the internal enemy for achieving this AIM, their own value system. They consider THEMSELVES, an entrenched, powerful, rich elite group, as guardians of the flame like the Knights Templar of old. The rest is irrelevant in their own eyes, how they achieve their aims; whether they rob, steal, kill with collateral damage, they feel justified. As they represent, hubristically, CIVILizaTION and its ongoing tradition; iconised by the Bilderbergers today. Not their own people who are a subservient mass of uneducated 'serfs' in their eyes, with voting rights granted, but who don't understand the REAL issues in society, its deep cutting edge. 

Time and time again our collective history has destroyed this perception of 'top down' elites as being a sterile, dangerous perversion of power and a consfication of the nation's values. A private oligarchy, its surrogate elected minions who run state, do not and will never constitute the nation; in a democratic, republican country that respects due process and venerates a true search for cause and effect of past actions, with accountability clearly established and corrective, legal action meeted upon the culprits, then fully enforced. We are far away from that vision of things in the real power play of the US of A, at this eleventh hour of the collective debt debacle and partisan politics of the shoddiest type. 

Going back to recognising that a society has to prioritize HOW to think, its mind set, its basic values, is more important for the general good than WHAT to think; as this subjective process inevitably leads to the corruption of collective values, provoking subsequently desperate clutch, power play under duress, that frightens the general public, trangressing the republic by crossing a fatal Rubicon. History has written the sequel in the blood of ROme that has never risen from its ashes since the fall of that dictatorship of Caesar gone mad from corruption and hubris.

 

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 05:54 | 1503744 WaterWings
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!!!

I'm giving you another chance, falak.  ;-)

That is, with such a deep commentary, ...

ok, well...

it is pretty rich.

This paradigm is amazingly far too complex. Can I get fries with that?

We are afraid of being frightened. To the point of letting strangers grope us.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:00 | 1501871 Lord Koos
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Who is going to be the first unarmed kid to attack a crazy person weilding automatic weapons?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:39 | 1501966 hedgeless_horseman
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Who is going to be the first unarmed kid to attack a crazy person weilding automatic weapons?

A) AVOID- get away, escape the situation to safety.
D) DENY- if you cannot escape, deny the threat access to your location. Lock and barricade doors, cover windows.
D) DEFEND- If avoid is impossible, and deny has failed and you are about to die…DON’T DIE! You must defend.

If it ever gets to DEEFEND, and I pray it never does, then I hope mine would remember what they have learned and take action.  We can't chose when we die, but we can often chose how we die.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:47 | 1501826 gangland
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this is a little OT but interesting:

War and Religion: Air Force Cites New Testament, Ex-Nazi, to Train Officers on Ethics of Launching Nuclear Weapons

by Jason Leopold

Excerpt from FOIA USAF Official training documents:

"the American Catholic Church and their leadership says it's ok in their eyes to launch nukes."

"there is "no pacifistic sentiment in mainstream Jewish history."

"The PowerPoint documents' blatant use of religious imagery and its numerous citations of the Bible would appear to be a violation of the First Amendment establishing a wall of separation between church and state and Clause 3, Article 6 of the Constitution, which specifically prohibits a "religious test."

Weinstein, a graduate of the Air Force Academy and a former Air Force Judge Advocate General (JAG), said a section of the PowerPoint presentation that has been cited by MRFF clients as being at the top of the list of "unconstitutional outrages" is the one "which wretchedly asserts that war is both ethical and part of 'the natural order' of man's existence on earth."

"Astonishingly, the training presentation grotesquely attempts to justify that unconscionable concept of 'war is good because Jesus says it is' by specifically textually referencing allegedly supportive bible passages from the New Testament Books of Luke, Acts, Hebrews, Timothy and, finally even Revelation," said Weinstein, a former White House counsel during the Reagan administration. "If this repugnant nuclear missile training is not Constitutionally violative of both the 'no religious test' mandate of the Constitution and the First Amendment's No Establishment Clause then those bedrock legal principles simply do not exist."

A senior Air Force Space and Missile officer who reviewed the materials, said the teachings are "an outrage of the highest order."

"No way in hell should this have been presented as a mandatory briefing to ALL in the basic missiles class," the officer, who requested anonymity, said in an email. "It presumes ALL missile officers are religious and specifically in need of CHRISTIAN justification for their service.

"If they wanted to help people with their spiritual/religious/secular justification for serving as missile officers, then they should've said something like 'for those of you with religious concerns about missile duty, we've arranged the following times to chat with chaplains from your particular faith group.' For those with secular concerns about the morality of missile duty, we'll have a discussion moderated by a professor [and/or] counselor, a noted ethicist, too. If you're already good with your role and duty as a missile officer, then you're welcome to hit the golf course or gym."

The senior Air Force officer added that the commander of the training squadron "that approved this, along with the Training Group Commander at Vandenberg, should be fired instantly for allowing it."

"Jesus Loves Nukes"

 

"Leave it to the United States Air Force to find a way to dictate the 'ethical' value of nuclear war and it's inevitable role in the 'natural order' of humanity's existence, to it's missile launch officer trainees by merging unadulterated, fundamentalist Christian end times Armageddon doctrines with the tortured 'people who are guided by the bible' endorsements of a former, leading Nazi SS official," Weinstein said.

http://www.truth-out.org/air-force-cites-new-testament-ex-nazi-train-off...

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:47 | 1501825 Byronio
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School 1960 vs. 2011

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1960 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2011 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:39 | 1501793 ThirdCoastSurfer
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History is full of examples of mankind's inability to maintain balance on the pendulum of societal issues. We are forever tipping the scale from one extreme to the other and this is just the pendulum switching from a paternalistic society to a maternalistic one. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:30 | 1501953 Cathartes Aura
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Maternalism is defined by Koven and Michel as a variety of ideologies that "exalted womens capacities to mother and extended to society as a whole the values of care, nurturance and morality"

ahh yes, those rifle toting mothers at all the PTA meetings. . .

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:54 | 1502015 Rodent Freikorps
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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:39 | 1502233 Cathartes Aura
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given that rape is a frequent & common war crime, I'm guessing those women were acting in their own defense, to be applauded here, no?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:02 | 1502034 falak pema
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y go to afghanstn in the first place except as a headless horseman w/o a soul. Rudyard was a slave of empire but a great poet. Not incompatible. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:43 | 1502245 Citxmech
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Kipling was one of the loudest British voices calling for entry into the Great War.  However when the war came home to him via the loss of his son and his search for the story of how he died, it transformed him.

From Wiki:

After his son's death, Kipling wrote, "If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied." It is speculated that these words may reveal his feelings of guilt at his role in getting John a commission in the Irish Guards, despite John initially having been rejected by the army because of poor eyesight, and his having exerted great influence to have his son accepted for officer training at the age of only 17.[47]

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 03:55 | 1503668 AnAnonymous
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Typical US citizen behaviour. Everything is fine until they run out of people to  burden the negative consequences of their behaviour. When the bill shows up to them, huh, suddenly, it turns into another story.

US world order.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:30 | 1501769 jack stephan
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Who is John Galt?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:30 | 1502341 LetThemEatRand
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The fictional creation of a cult leader.  See as another example, L. Ron Hubbard.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:45 | 1501992 WVO Biker
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J.Galt is into PM and alternative energy and lives way up north. Why are you always asking?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:31 | 1501750 SirIssacNewton
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The Police have no responsibility to protect you and its important that every individual understands this fact.  Our Court System has repeatedly decided that the police are not responsible for your safety..... to even think that they do is merely a myth the government wants you to believe in to keep you in line and to accept the false premise that you can't and/or shouldn't protect yourself regardless of the circumstances.  See the cases below:

Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is a U.S. Court of Appeals case in which three rape victims sued the District of Columbia because of negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. After repeated calls to the police over half an hour, the roommate's screams stopped, and they assumed the police had arrived. They went downstairs and were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to commit sexual acts upon one another and to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for 14 hours. The police had lost track of the repeated calls for assistance. DC's highest court ruled that the police do not have a legal responsibility to provide personal protection to individuals, and absolved the police and the city of any liability.

Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States, in which the court ruled, 7-2, that a town and its police department could not be sued under 42 U.S.C. §1983 for failing to enforce a restraining order, which had led to the murder of a woman's three children by her estranged husband.

Some states have even codified that the police are not responsible to do anything to safeguard you or your property.  Case in point:

California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846, which state in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee may be sued for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals." Citizens injured because the police failed to protect them can only sue the State or local government in federal court if one of their officials violated a federal statutory or Constitutional right, and can only win such a suit if a "special relationship" can be shown to have existed, which DeShaney and its progeny make it very difficult to do.

The Installation of Police at our schools, or anywhere, is to be agents of the State.  The conditioning of young people to accept the intervention and overwatch of government early in their lives does serve to train them to never understand the rights that are theirs by birth.  If you're trained to believe your life is defined by what government gives you, than you never know that the matrix has you.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:30 | 1501737 Byronio
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The militarization of LEO just happens to coincide with their being trained, Federal, State, and local, by the ADL, aka the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.

The FBI actively works with the ADL.

Frankly I think that is unhealthy.

Norway pretty much does the same thing as US does, this is a quote from a Time magazine article dated July 28, this is police state stuff:

"..Norway's domestic intelligence, the Police Security Service...operates about 26 field offices charged with the task of keeping tabs on extremist activities...

Norway has also been proactive in keeping neo-Nazi groups in check... 

In 2004, the country's domestic intelligence moved in on a right-wing extremist group called Vigrid..Fearing Vigrid could evolve into a terrorist network, the agency launched a campaign to disrupt the group by sending agents to visit everyone involved except its top leaders. One day in 2004, agents from all 26 field offices paid personal visits to each of Vigrid's members, many of whom were teenagers living with their parents. The investigators continued this tactic for several months, until about 60% of Vigrid quit the group voluntarily."

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:31 | 1502186 JW n FL
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GREAT!! The Jews and the FBI are getting together that to keep people from being oppressed!

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=palestine+occupation

I guess the Palestine was not on their to do list???

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=wall+street+banks+bonuses

I guess the Bankers on Wall Street get a pass too?

So?? they are only investigating those that dis-agree with their line of thinking?? and then rounding them up or harassing them??

Is it just me or do they sound more like Nazi's than the Neo-Nazi's? LOL 

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:14 | 1501731 Doyle Hargraves
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Not so fast, they just step up their fine collection efforts through traffic and othe minor offenses. There is no belt tightening for these tax feeders only ever expanding lists of offenses and ever increasing fines to power their budgets.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:06 | 1501705 MachoMan
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At least as the belt gets tightened, you'll have the consolation prize of watching many of these persons in the bread lines with you...  Budget decreases will de-militarize police departments...  or, at the very least, remove their daily thorns from your side.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:20 | 1501739 Rodent Freikorps
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I bet they keep the cool threads and the scary black guns. Those seem to impress a lot of people.

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 09:49 | 1504251 MachoMan
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And they'll also get to keep the napoleon complex

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:51 | 1501661 Cloud9.5
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The war on drugs and the war on crime militarized the police.  Our little sheriff’s office has a heavy weapons team.   They even have Cadillac Gage armored vehicles.  Even the game wardens are in full battle dress with vests, glocks, tazers and radios.  Pretty amazing really when you consider county governments are in a short fall.

 

Sad when I think about it in all my encounters with the police only once did I have one protect me.  He watched my six while I searched my property for a burglar.

 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:18 | 1501736 aerojet
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We need to place the blame squarely on the companies that convinced the idiot cops and mayors that they needed all this bullshit to begin with.  It is and has always been about marketing and selling items to the surest bet in town--the government.  That's the part that has to  be undone first.  There was nothing wrong with a cop having an S&W Model 10 or 15 in his holster for decades until the fucking greedy ass baby boomers came on the scene and wreaked total havoc--they have left no stone unturned in making money and police militarization is just one example.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:38 | 1501771 hedgeless_horseman
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convinced the idiot cops and mayors that they needed all this bullshit

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:49 | 1501655 Steroid
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Someone watches the watchers!

Here is a CATO page on botched paramilitary police raids:

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:51 | 1501663 TruthInSunshine
Fri, 07/29/2011 - 04:05 | 1503672 AnAnonymous
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Police beat and taser 'gentle' mentally-ill homeless man Kelly Thomas, 37 to death

 

US world order. US citizens are on the hunt and aim to kill people who do not fit their standards.

Possibly, these guys beat the victim so bad they could have broken their bones in the process. It is a sure possibility. US citizens get so high when about inflicting pain or death they can harm or kill themselves in the process.

Six police officers, all trained and they are not able to subdue a lonely man who is going to depict as an even more efficient version of a US special forces trained killer to save the face.

Now for US citizens, it is all about saving face, all about keeping to pretend, all about keeping to appear.

This is the way the world goes under US dominion.  

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:15 | 1501719 Bananamerican
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at my daughters grad night there were 5 security drones, one with a drug sniffing dog... the kids had to remove their shoes and socks, were frisked TSA style, had to check their keys and cell phones etc up front and were not allowed to leave until the end (unless parents came to collect them)...This "pleasure zone" cost $150 and was held at  a "high achievement" high school.

"Yuden of amerika!! ve order you now to have ze good, safe, clean, appropriate, patriotic, FUN.....Fun which must be had at all costs!!"

Good times!!!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:04 | 1501883 pods
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You have got to be shitting me.  

Oh man, Lord take me home.

We had an after prom party and security was so tight we had to stash our coolers of beer in the woods at the park. We could only sneak in small flasks too.  

I actually remember when the girl came by with the prom promise, which was just starting at that time.  She asked me to sign it.  I laughed and said no thank you.  She asked why not. I said cause I was going to be drinking. 

pods

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:11 | 1501700 Doyle Hargraves
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I heard the interview with his father on the radio this morning. His dad is a retired Orange County Sheriff who taught local cops non lethal hand to hand restraint and control techniques that those same cops obviously didn't use anyway. It was a really ironic story!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:48 | 1501652 Dolemite
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“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is 
a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US
Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on 
ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to
finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s 
debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting 
the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our
children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of 
leadership. Americans deserve better.”

-- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:28 | 1502356 LetThemEatRand
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Of course they are all liars and hypocrites.  The Republicans were for raising the debt ceiling before they were against it (e.g., before Obama took office).  Apparently they know that most R voters pay no more attention to what happened two years ago than D voters.  http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1500-The-Republicans-Haven-t-A....

We deserve what we have, apparently.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:47 | 1501644 Miss Expectations
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I was at my son's school a few years ago when he was in kindergarten.  We were outside planting bulbs for green thumb day when the "lock down" announcement was made.  We had to immediately file back into school and into my son's classroom.  All the children had to crouch in a corner behind the teacher's desk.  We had to be quiet while the teachers closed the blinds and locked the classroom door.  We were not supposed to move or talk, just wait.  A lot of the children started crying.  They were confused and very frightened. My son ran over to me a climbed onto my lap.  Suddenly someone outside started jiggling the doorknob and the door was being pushed and pulled.  (That was the police checking on all the doors to make sure they were locked).  By now about half the kids were crying and they all looked terrified.  My son was so upset that he wanted me to take him home.  I did.  The only thing this excercize accomplished was to terrorize and confuse these very innocent 5 year olds.  It was a very scary 20 minutes.  I don not recognize this place.

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 05:32 | 1503737 WaterWings
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They were confused and very frightened.

It all seems so...psychopathic. The object of control, tends to be control. Ignorance is Strength, no?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:53 | 1501849 pods
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And since sovereign persons may not carry a weapon on school property, you know you are dead meat if that door opens.

My daughter was telling me about their drills.  Same sort of thing as the old duck and cover drills.

Fear conditioning is a very powerful tool.  For the one episode where there is actually a shooter in a school, 50 thousand schools of kids can have that fear bred into them. 

It is by design.  

pods

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