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Why is the IMF Giving More Funds, When the G20 Won't?

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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 21:56 | 1905042 eaglefalcon
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frustrated about the seemingly endless tricks the PTB can pull.  I you tell someone:"in 10 years your income will drop 75%" they can accept.  But if you tell someone, "your job, your pension, you bank account will be gone tomorrow", he's gonna shoot you.  How sad that the PTB can slowly boil the proverbial frogs.  We need hyperinflation and economic collapse now 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 21:50 | 1904871 earleflorida
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*Basel* =>  http://www.bis.org/bcbs/

"Bank of International Settlements [**BIS]" is the central bank of the world est.1931 (note date?)


**BIS [grand master/bilderberg] = {#1 IMF_ subordinate & #2 WB_  sub-subordinate }

PS.  U.S. Senator Sanders [I/Vt] & U.S. Rep. Paul [R/Tx] were able to get alot of info from the 'FOIA' regarding bernanke, and greenspan bailing out european countries, and their banks - all on the U.S. Citizen's dime with "ZIRP" for interest of free money, very little or no collateral,... to the tune of $16Trillion!!!

PS2  Guess who sits on their BOD's, and various Committee's?

nice read


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 18:54 | 1904557 Everybodys All ...
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Anyone seen DSK? 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 18:16 | 1904448 Stack Trace
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I thought this IMF announce was a rumor de-jour meant to ramp stocks at a key support level on the S&P and nothing more. Seems like details are weak to vague and nothing has even been approved.


Again this market is CORRUPTED and BROKEN. Period. I was able to re-establish some of my positions today after that bogus bomb of a rumor but lost a little profit and some trading overhead but hey..what the hell. At least I regained my profitable position and watched this lame attempt at a ramp FAIL epically.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 21:37 | 1904983 Buck Johnson
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It is a rumor, it was thrown out there to prop the market up in Europe (funny it moved it up a little and it came back down).  And that's because these rumors and inuendo's aren't working anymore, you can cry wolf only so much.  So the IMF is goint to "bail" them out, with who's money and how much of it.  Italy will need hundreds of billions, Spain will also and the other countries will need some.  So who will come up with a few trillion euros or dollars to stop the hemoragging?  With whats going on in the US with the debt committee and an election year, it won't happen.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 18:16 | 1904440 Paul67
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When your Money ‘is’ Debt you are in a no win scenario.


The ‘only’ solution is for ‘all’ nations to go back to a debt free sovereign currency, the supply of which is regulated via a super majority law.


All nations that wish to trade will maintain a foreign currency reserve account based on trade volume with each nation.  Currency reserves above this annually adjusted level will be returned to the sovereign after a year unless traded or used to purchase goods/services within that nation.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:36 | 1903995 topshelfstuff
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Don't confuse the US' 17% with any IMF "Currency" back-up A.K.A. the SDR. The 17% is just Veto Power for the US, since a Vote requires 85% for passge.

The SDR on the other hand is a combination of the 4 countries using QE. I posted earlier on this. This is the break-down:


EURO = 37.4%
USD   = 41.9%
YEN   =  9.4%
UKPound = 11.3%

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 17:21 | 1904205 samslaught
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There has been QE for the pound, dollar, and Yen, but I haven't seen any monitization of the Euro?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:31 | 1903957 Mark123
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Simply using IMF when governments are scared of being seen as a bail out supporter by their half-wit citizens.  Now we can all be angry with the IMF, but still go and vote for a Republican/Democrat and feel we are living in a democracy.


pathetic does not even begin to describe it.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:30 | 1903950 TradingJoe
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It's all about the big bazooka, no one gets it that the bazzoka is to the DOWNSIDE!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:25 | 1903917 cbaba
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The only reason is to steal their GOLD. If they accept money with their Gold as a collateral, then its a great deal, print dollars at no cost, lend it and steal their GOLD.

Why anybody can't see this, is it so difficult ?


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:11 | 1903851 LouisHill
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They are doing it because all the Treasury Secretary had to do is accept an IOU from the IMF.  No vote needed.  When the IMF losses creditability they will probably try and get the BIS to come up with it's own version of funny money.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:08 | 1903833 imsaul0968
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:22 | 1903905 El Viejo
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Do you really think that people locked into an inflexible 401k visit this site?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 22:09 | 1905102 Melin
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I'm here to say they do.  As I understand it, I'm "locked into" a potpouri of available mutual funds dictated to me. They're referred to as "my choices." 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:02 | 1903807 falak pema
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When the flood gates cede then the tough get going; Lagarde is now taking over the role of Hercules in Augean stables. Will she go towards FED supremacy or Merkel resistance, in the fight between german and Us Oligarchs in this common disaster called the financial ponzi, is hard to tell; Geithner/Bernanke what have you given her as mandate and how far can she go in your name? As Merkel will make her no gifts its Deutschland's future which is at stake. 

Are you bitch of US oligarchy or Solomon of Euro/US divide? And what magical powder do you bring to turn unsustainable debt into philosopher's stone of prolonged growth?

Asking this question is pushing the system over the intellectual cliff; but that is theoretical and when you own the money line you can twist reality to reflect theory...but for how long?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:46 | 1903755 New American Re...
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That's right.    The FED is already feeding the IMF, they have to, that's why the currencies are moving in sync, that and ridding the FX markets of all those meddlesome speculator-class traders.   And a big thank you goes out to Jon Corzine for having shred whatever dignity he possibly thought he might have left by taking those traders on a Missouri boat ride.   THANK YOU JON!!!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:49 | 1903751 Zero Govt
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What’s really odd about this whole move is that the IMF, which is ultimately backed by the US, Japan, and other nations, is doing this when the G20 Countries themselves won’t

Oh the Joy of having an insidious, unelected, untouchable bureaucracy to hand... free from market forces and democracy


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:09 | 1903830 falak pema
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zero, come back to earth and be an anarchist who can tell the difference between private Oligarchs who manipulate statist surrogates sucking their sticky fingers and REAL statist dictators. Otherwise to put it prosaically you won't be able to tell shit from shine hole; a blonde from a brunette. That is worse than confounding cheddar with Comté. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:44 | 1903745 sabra1
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nothing to do with saving, has to do with taking!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:33 | 1903684 NotApplicable
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IMF = Good Cop

G20 = Bad Cop

Why is this so hard?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 23:01 | 1905340 FlyPaper
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Is the IMF using its "special drawing rights" - which, as I understand it, is a term for the IMF "making up money" on its own, to be reimbursed by "made up money" from the IMF participants.    Wink Wink.   

Doubt it has anything to do with Good Cop, Bad Cop.   The IMF reports to no one; the G20 has taxpayers at home who only think that what the IMF does is independent.

Its not.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 23:06 | 1905360 mayhem_korner
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Anyone notice that "SDR" rhymes with "FDR".  After all these years, the New Deal's gone International, MF.  :D

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:45 | 1903110 SwingForce
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US is 17% of quota, Ben Bernanke & Tim Geithner are governors.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:35 | 1903693 NotApplicable
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Funny, I'm old enough to remember when governors were actually used to limit things.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:52 | 1903773 Zero Govt
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Oh the good old days eh? ..when we had conservative banks and bankers

when did we swap them for these betting addicts and Weimar trash paper junkies precisely?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 16:21 | 1903856 saiybat
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The repeal of Glass-Steagall and tax payer backed gambling funds incase they lose on their bet. It's the same as one of us peasants walking into a casino and leveraging $1000 in our pocket x100 to make a bet in roulette for $100,000 and if we lose we get paid back plus interest. In other words ponzi paper where the top get to reap the benefits of out of control speculation but the peasants get fucked; and the peasants are forced to use this ponzi paper fiat currency shit. The whole system is a ponzi and a pyramid scheme.

Then there's the bought off politicians that go along with it and spending ponzi credits on everything they can think of or just to get kickbacks.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 22:19 | 1905136 Melin
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The problem is government in the economy, not the lack of government meddling or regulations.

Separate the Economy and State.  We won't be free until they're out of our voluntary trades.  If fraud is committed (or suspected with evidence), then, the government is required and invited to step in and do its job. 

Get the government out of our lives.  Let's live free.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 20:46 | 1904844 11b40
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Precisely correct, and the date was December of 2000, as Clinton was leaving office and Bush was coming in.  Both parties are guilty as sin in this, but it was engineered primarily by that old turtle head, Phil Gramm....whjo went on to become a SVP with UBS.  His wife, Wendy, was on the Board of Enron.  What a lovely couple.

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