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Would You Support an Iran War If …
Would you support a war against Iran if you knew that:
- Iran has one of the largest Jewish populations in the world, and the second-largest in the Middle East behind Israel
- Jews are protected by the Iranian constitution, and are guaranteed seats in the Iranian parliament
- The CIA admits that the U.S. overthrew the moderate, suit-and-tie-wearing, Democratically-elected prime minister of Iran in 1953. He was overthrown because he had nationalized Iran's oil, which had previously been controlled by BP and other Western oil companies. As part of that action, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its prime minister
- If the U.S. hadn't overthrown the moderate Iranian government, the fundamentalist Mullahs would have never taken over. (Moreover, the U.S. has had a large hand in strengthening radical Islam in the Middle East by supporting radicals to fight the Soviets and others)
- The U.S. armed and supported Iraq after it invaded Iran and engaged in a long, bloody war which included the use of chemical weapons. Here is former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam Hussein in the 1980's, several months after Saddam had used chemical weapons in a massacre:
- The U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability
- The U.S. helped fund Iran's nuclear program
- The U.S. has been actively planning regime change in Iran - and throughout the oil-rich Middle East and North Africa - for 20 years
- The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
- America and Israel both support a group designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization which is trying to overthrow the Iranian government
- Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that Iran has not decided to build a nuclear bomb
- Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that - even if Iran did build a nuclear bomb - it would not be that dangerous, because Israel and America have so many more nukes. And see this
- American military and intelligence chiefs say that attacking Iran would only speed up its development of nuclear weapons, empower its hardliners, and undermine the chance for democratic reform
- The people pushing for war against Iran are the same people who pushed for war against Iraq, and said it would be a "cakewalk". See this and this
- Well-known economist Nouriel Roubini says that attacking Iran would lead to global recession. The IMF says that Iran cutting off oil supplies could raise crude prices 30%. War with Iran would kill the American economy. And see this and this
- China and Russia have warned that attacking Iran could lead to World War III
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Nov 25th 1973, the first time a jumbo jet with hundreds of innocents was hijacked just happened to be by young arab men over Iraqi airspace.
But thanks for playing yet again, oh some guy hijacked a bi plane before then or a commuter jet? That must mean the muslims didn't invent it.
Wrong again. Your research and analytical skills must cause you much embarrassment. Let's put aside your delusions for a moment and review the history:
The first recorded aircraft hijack took place on February 21, 1931, in Arequipa, Peru. Byron Rickards, flying a Ford Tri-Motor, was approached on the ground by armed revolutionaries. He refused to fly them anywhere and after a 10-day standoff Rickards was informed that the revolution was successful and he could go in return for giving one group member a lift to Lima. [3]
Note: In the Fort Worth Star-Telegram daily newspaper (morning edition) 19 September 1970, J. Howard "Doc" DeCelles states that he was actually the victim of the first skyjacking in December 1929. He was flying a postal route for the Mexican company Transportes Aeras Transcontinentales, ferrying mail from San Luis Potosí to Toreon and then on to Guadalajara. "Doc" was approached by Gen. Saturnino Cedillo, governor of the state of San Luis Potosí and one of the last remaining lieutenants of Pancho Villa. Cedillo was accompanied by several other men. He was told through an interpreter he had no choice in the matter. "Doc" stalled long enough to convey the information to his boss, who told him to cooperate. He had no maps, but was guided by the men as he flew above Mexican mountains. He landed on a road as directed, and was held captive for several hours under armed guard. He eventually was released with a "Buenos" from Cedillo and his staff. DeCelles kept his flight log, according to the article, but he did not file a report with authorities. "Doc" went on to work for the FAA in Fort Worth after his flying career.[citation needed]
The world's first fatal hijacking occurred on 28 October 1939. Earnest P. “Larry” Pletch shot Carl Bivens, 39, a flight instructor who was offering Pletch lessons in a yellow Taylor Cub monoplane with tandem controls in the air after taking off in Brookfield, Missouri. Bivens, instructing from the front seat, was shot in the back of the head twice. “Carl was telling me I had a natural ability and I should follow that line,” Pletch later confessed to prosecutors in Missouri. "I had a revolver in my pocket and without saying a word to him, I took it out of my overalls and I fired a bullet into the back of his head. He never knew what struck him." The Chicago Daily Tribune called it “One of the most spectacular crimes of the 20th century, and what is believed to be the first airplane kidnap murder on record.” Because it occurred somewhere over three Missouri counties, and involved interstate transport of a stolen airplane, it raised questions in legal circles about where, by whom, and even whether he could be prosecuted. Ernest Pletch pled guilty and was sentenced to life in prison, where he died in June 2001.[4]
Between 1948 and 1957 there were 15 hijackings worldwide, an average of a little more than one per year. Between 1958 and 1967, this climbed to 48, or about five per year. The number dropped to 38 in 1968, but grew to 82 in 1969, the largest number in a single year in the history of civil aviation; in January 1969 alone, eight airliners were hijacked to Cuba.[5] Between 1968 and 1977, the annual average jumped to 41.
In 1973, the Nixon Administration ordered the discontinuance by the CIA of the use of hijacking as a covert action weapon against the Castro regime. Cuban intelligence followed suit. That year, the two countries reached an agreement for the prosecution or return of the hijackers and the aircraft to each other's country. The Taiwanese intelligence also followed the CIA's example-vis-?-vis China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking
Exactly!
Look at the link.
But thanks for playing yet again, oh some guy hijacked a bi plane before then or a commuter jet? That must mean the muslims didn't invent it.
THE FIRST JUMBO JET HIJACKING INVOLVING HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT LIVES WAS PERPETRATED BY YOUNG ARAB MEN.
12yo predictable as a clock biatch.
I'm 48 years old, not twelve, so that's a strike against you. Also, the Ford Tri-motor was a monoplane not a biplane. Another strike.
Please review your post above. You said that Muslims invented hijacking but I provided evidence that hundreds of commercial aircraft had been hijacked before 1973. You changed your claim to "Muslims invented the hijacking of jumbo jets" in order to appear to be correct. But that doesn't work. The rest of us can read and comprehend the English language.
Strike three.
I'm 48 years old, not twelve, . . . .
You sure had me fooled on that one.
Thanks for clearing it up so that I now know that you are an imbecile, not just an ignorant yute.
i'm just guessing but that guy is working on strike four right now.
You may add that Pakistan has now indicated that it will "stand by" Iran, in case it is attacked.
The latest "sanctions" (bullying would be a more accurate description) against banks dealing with Iran already amount to economic warfare.
I don't doubt they will, but do you have any direct links, quotes, video or docs supporting that?
I haven't seen them spelling this out yet.
And that is why the banking system must be put in a place that is more neutral than the west. They use SWIFT like an arm of the US and everything that the US and it's allies are doing if Iran even tried it to the US would be an act of war and they know it. They are doing everything they can to provoke Iran into attacking first.
Central Banks rely on SWIFT and bills in large denominations to support the $90 B recreational drug economy. $15 B was spent on the war on drugs in 2011 for a total $115 B contribution to the GDP. Housing construction was $811 B.
Iran's economy in 2011 was $400 B. Iran would be missed by its deposed leaders.
if global (central banks), your figures for drugs and war seem low. half a trillion seems more like the drug revenues and at least 50 billion as law enforcement costs in the u.s. alone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs#Costs_to_taxpayers
which further supports your point.
Dude does that mean I can't call Jennie or Lucy from Lexmark Pakistan to get my printer fixed?
it might be even worse than that. pakistan is still the only muslim country with nuclear weapons, so far. where are they all again? do we know where all the thousands of russian ones are? do the generals in both countries make enough money? how about the supply sergeants?
I would not support a war against Iran even it could be irrefutbly demonstrated the Iranian army used live new born babies for target practice . I will not support another Mid East war for ANY reason. Enough!
..and the moralistic halfwitted American imperialist swine keep killing innocent Zoroastrians!!!!
Muslim's in Iran believe in Jesus!
Shia Muslim's believe in Jesus!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrWguVsEih0
So.. ummmm?
Yeah!
Fuck the Truth!
This is America!
Whistle Blowers go to Jail! for Treason! or just Jail for whatever can be drummed up against the Whistle Blower!
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/16/ubs
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/08/us-ubs-idUSSGE60303Z20100108
The list of Jailed "Banker" Whistle Blowers is numerous! NOT! just what I have posted here!
BUT!
back to the point..
Cheap Oil for Wall Street!
So that Wall Street can Rape me at the Pump!
You Poor People get out there and Die! for cheap oil for Wall Street so that I can be price gouged!
This is America and this is the New normal American Way!
ALL! Hail! the Power of Wall Street!!
We have Private Contractors who need Jobs!
Support Wall Street Private Army and Price Gouging!
No reported Troop Deaths!
It is all Tidy and Neat!
What’s not to like?
Religion KILLS!
I dunno, Hannibal, a heavyset whiteguy in a $3000 suit yelling that I'm headed for the fire and taking my money at the same time proves Barnum's number one theorem of psychological physics: There's a sucker born every minute.
Religion is the Opium of the People! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people
Schwarma is the opiate of the people,we need more schwarma
Bullshit. The Islamic "Esa" character is not Jesus. It's a pathetic mockery of Jesus, and Muslims claim it's Jesus. It represents a hijacking of the actual character of Jesus to serve what Mohammed wanted Muslims to believe Jesus was all about.
Jesus is just a Semitic reworking of previous dieties such as Attis and Adonis. You haven't been keeping up with your Frazer, have you?
Missing_Link - Re. you're bigotted comment - re. pathetic mockery of Jesus
Are you, as a Jew qualified to make an assessment of which bleievers' interpretation of Jesus is superior to another?
I ask, because I don't see how you are ... qualified that is.
I think you just reject the very idea of Jesus, outright. Don't you?
Thank You! for giving me the oppurtunity to expand on what I have already shared. Jesus in the Shia version of the story.. is a Wise Man.. one of a few who travel with Allah.. at his side when he comes back to Earth. That is the Shia's descroption of Jesus. Jesus is a wise man who is at the side of God.. It almost sounds like... naaaaa! I am sure some CIA whack job can spin that into some multi-market tested meme that will cause Americans to cry, easily enough. God Bless You and Yours!JW - Good stuff. Interesting. Reminds me of this excellent read.
http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jesus%20lived%20in%20india%20pd...
There were once many more gospels and slightly different sects of Christians all over the ME. These sects became the many subsets of Shia, Alawite for example.
A conference in Constantinople run by the Roman empire selected which gospels and which gospel tracts would constitute the Bible (New Testament) based on which tracts best served the needs of the state.
christian zionists would blow up the entire world before they would even allow themselves to consider whether what you just posted is the truth about Islam.... because for them to understand and accept this, they would first have to come to realize that almost everything that they think they know is corrupted and twisted by lies.
first have to come to realize that almost everything that they think they know is corrupted and twisted by lies set forth by a zionist controlled MSM for that very purpose.
fixed it for ya
Element - FYI, when you start your post in italics, it can not be voted up or down from most browsers.
ok, thanks
No doubt, ton of evil christian zionistas blowing themselves to bits to prove it.
Anti Mohammed sign, Main St, Teheran-Youtube.
Become famous!
A+ for serving up religious hatred ... good job appealing to our tribal minds, so people stop thinking rationally. Well done, you've earned bonus Crusade points to be redeemed at the next bombed out Muslim province!
Please stop it.
He hates jews and would just as soon they all be exterminated.
You do a wonderful job providing a forum for these folks to express themselves,
and I mean that sincerely. Otherwise no way to know, JW in FL stands for Juwan Walzahiri in Flominstan, Afghanistan.
JW n FL
stands for James Workman in Florida.
so who are you Coward?
Coward? Posting jew hate on the internet takes a lot of courage.
Stupid jew hater, as if that is a huge surprise.
Jamal from Afghanistan.
It is not Jew Hate..
It is Sourced and Sighted Facts.. with Court Docs attached!
Exposed: Massive Israeli manipulation of US media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgSynE5Jyw&feature=g-all-u&context=G2082bfdFAAAAAAAAAAA
http://www.irmep.org/
http://irmep.org/ila/
he called you out bitch... and you crawled away like a little coward :)
fuck off troll
yes, he did, he did that. we saw it.
What is that gutless trash doing in fight club?
Appealing to "tribal minds" followed up with the obligatory western self flagellating "Crusade" catch phrase, oh well done GW.
So, by that logic, Christianity has no claim on the place of it's own birth at all? The Crusades went all the way to "Iran" back in the day?
Really?
Hmmm
Religion as a basis for a land claim? Really.
They built a big assed gold dome on top of conquered land didn't they?
Oh, you were talking about some other religion?
Really.
Blah, blah, blah GW. You rail against Christianity because the stakes are so high for you.
Feel free to call an observation, "religious hatred." But the Muslim "Jesus" has another name: the Anti-Christ.
And I strongly believe the true Jesus Christ does not support a war in Iran. Muhammad might have been fine with nuking Israel?
"Muhammad might have been fine with nuking Israel?"
lol...Muhammad's followers conquered Persia (present day Iran) for the peaceful religion of Islam!
But of course, that doesn't fit todays narrative of it's all the jooos and the Christians fault on about just about everything ;-)
MP3 audio book of The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today - by Elizabeth Dilling
http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/09)%20Elizabeth%20Dilling%20-%20The%20Jewish%20Religion.%20It%27s%20Influence%20Today.zip
PDF book here:
http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Talmud/dilling/jriit.pdf
how about this logic. lets attack and destroy a nation that reveres Jesus as one of God's greatest prophets (iran), despite no evidence that Iran is a danger to the US, all the while doing the bidding for a colonial zionist country (Israel) which is controlled by the very people who continue to utterly reject Jesus (with contempt, read the talmud), and in fact, had him put to death? is that about right?
Not right at all. You have a lot of studying to do. But given you didn't even read the comment you are trying to refute I'm afraid you face an uphill struggle. Good luck.
1. But they hate us because we are free.
2. War is good for the economy. We need to start another war or the stock market is sure to go down big time.
3. Israel wants us to attack iran. We owe it to them because of the Holocaust. If we don't invade Iran, the Holocaust could happen again someday.
4. War unites us as Americans. There's too much bickering and fighting in America. War will unite us and bring us together again.
5. They are too Democratic for the Middle east. Their Democracy threatens the totalitarian puppet states that we prop up in the region. We already lost Mubarak and Egypt. Democratic Iran only encourages foolish and dangerous democracy movements in the region.
6. War will help assure that Obama and the current group of legislators in Washington get reelected. The world is far too unstable and dangerous to change our commander in Chief - Obama saved us when we were about to collapse. Do we really want someone like Santorum as president?
These are just a few of the compelling reasons we need to attack Iran. I can think of a whole lot more. What the hell are we waiting for?
3 people gave my post thumbs down? Wait a minute. I have more:
8. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been disasters. Our luck is bound to change -or in the alternative, never, never , never give up. Persistence is bound to pay off.
9. We could not find the WMDs in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya –they’re bound to be in Iran.
10. We should have nuked them when they took our hostages. It’s not too late now. Our national honor is at stake.
11. Their democratically elected President Mossedeq was advocating nationalization their oil industry. This smacks of Communism. The CIA was right to depose him and install the Shah in 1953. Women did not have to wear veils under the Shah. They do under the present government. We need to liberate the women of Iran from this evil practice.
12. If Iran had not defeated our ally Saddam Hussein in the 1982 Iraq/Iran war that killed over a million people, we would not have had to invade Iraq in 1991 and again in 2002. This has cost us over a trillion dollars and national humiliation. Since we won’t hold anyone accountable in America -someone has to pay. Why not Iran?
13. Maybe Iran had something to do with 9/11. Someone detonated those three buildings. If we invade and occupy Iran, we just might find the proof we need.
Painfully stupid.