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Would You Support an Iran War If …
Would you support a war against Iran if you knew that:
- Iran has one of the largest Jewish populations in the world, and the second-largest in the Middle East behind Israel
- Jews are protected by the Iranian constitution, and are guaranteed seats in the Iranian parliament
- The CIA admits that the U.S. overthrew the moderate, suit-and-tie-wearing, Democratically-elected prime minister of Iran in 1953. He was overthrown because he had nationalized Iran's oil, which had previously been controlled by BP and other Western oil companies. As part of that action, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its prime minister
- If the U.S. hadn't overthrown the moderate Iranian government, the fundamentalist Mullahs would have never taken over. (Moreover, the U.S. has had a large hand in strengthening radical Islam in the Middle East by supporting radicals to fight the Soviets and others)
- The U.S. armed and supported Iraq after it invaded Iran and engaged in a long, bloody war which included the use of chemical weapons. Here is former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam Hussein in the 1980's, several months after Saddam had used chemical weapons in a massacre:
- The U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability
- The U.S. helped fund Iran's nuclear program
- The U.S. has been actively planning regime change in Iran - and throughout the oil-rich Middle East and North Africa - for 20 years
- The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
- America and Israel both support a group designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization which is trying to overthrow the Iranian government
- Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that Iran has not decided to build a nuclear bomb
- Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that - even if Iran did build a nuclear bomb - it would not be that dangerous, because Israel and America have so many more nukes. And see this
- American military and intelligence chiefs say that attacking Iran would only speed up its development of nuclear weapons, empower its hardliners, and undermine the chance for democratic reform
- The people pushing for war against Iran are the same people who pushed for war against Iraq, and said it would be a "cakewalk". See this and this
- Well-known economist Nouriel Roubini says that attacking Iran would lead to global recession. The IMF says that Iran cutting off oil supplies could raise crude prices 30%. War with Iran would kill the American economy. And see this and this
- China and Russia have warned that attacking Iran could lead to World War III
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israel is responsible for all the deaths in the recent iraq war, both sides, as it was israel firsters, ultra extreme zionists in the u.s. and israel who regarded the supposed safety of israel as the paramount goal in all of existence and, long before 9-11 (which iraq had nothing to do with anyhow), designed and implemented the campaign which led to the iraq war. bush, cheney and rumsfeld were tools they used.
one particularly public part of the zionist conspiracy (there was plenty more, less visible, in the government of ariel sharon) to invade iraq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#PNAC_r...
the irony in all this is that the iraq war did not make israel safer; it made iran and hezbollah stronger. the same way israel has not made jews generally safer. far from being some supposed refuge, it is the chief place where and the main reason why jews are still killed for being jews. european jews would have been so much safer if, at the end of ww2, they had settled the suburbs immediately surrounding the concentration camps. far, far safer.
Jeff, you have it right, but butter wouldn't in the mouths of fanatical and short-sighted Zionists endlessly waving the bloody shirt and trumpeting their blameless victimhood. I would not care had their methods not contributed to the death of the republic and the shredding of the Constitution.
Second, why has this thread ignored the dollar-hegemony angle. Iran is the latest oil producer to threaten the petrodollar regime by switching to alternative mechanisms of exchange.
Finally, what is this, Troll Day?
Yes, it's Troll Day.
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Iraqis got invaded and slaughtered because Sadam had the gall to actually hit tel aviv with conventionally-armed scud ballistic missiles, as the whole world watched on cnn.
So they lobbied the Neo-cons to get Washington to take him and Iraq's military out.
Hundreds of thousands or innocent Iraqis died to sate the joo fear and total embarrassment at being completely unable to effectively stop any ballistic missile attack, and the total failure of USAF F-15Es to find and destroy the TEL scud launchers, even after weeks of attempting to do so. This would not do.
There was no other reason to pretend Iraq was some imaginary threat to the west.
Iran learned the lessons and intend to really hurt Israel with ballistic missiles if it comes to war, and Israel again knows it can not really stop them from raining down.
So joo want's Iran taken out, regardless of the economic and strategic implications for the west.
Which really is a dire threat against the west this time.
And joo knows it but doesn't want us to realise it.
Well, not until it's too late to stop the carnage.
If you think the phrase "killed more islam" is grammatically correct then there's little I can do to help you other than to suggest a remedial reading program. They will take you by the hand and teach you the English language from the ground up. I wish you success and look forward to having a conversation with you when you have mastered that ability.
You might sing a different tune with Iranian battery cables attached to your testicles. Just like some of the bravest protestors I have ever seen, in Iran.
If I'm not mistaken it is no longer necessary to travel to Iran for such harsh treatment. All I need do is close my account at BOA or point out that about the same time my father made me aware of Florida's harsh penalties for rape he also told me that the USA was bankrupt and forced to abandon the gold standard.
bring a fully charged battery Bobby.
Why did your Dad feel it necessary to bring you up to speed on the penalties for rape?
Truth welcomed?
Mean about the war Iran has been conducting vs the US thru things like arming and funding hezbollah, multiple sides in Iraq and basically waging a low level war against the US for decades? That kind of truth? Or the version that conveniently ignores this as well as mountains of else.
Who drew first blood? What had Iran done to the United States of America that justified terrorist bombings and the overthrow of their government in 1953?
Oh I don't know, the middle east has been at war just about perpetually for a thousand years plus.
Oh I don't know the white man sets up the system, the brown man says get the fukk out now,
who drew the first blood, so tough to tell.
In regard to hostilities between the US and Iran, who drew the first blood? It's a simple question for anyone who knows history and engages in an intellectually honest debate.
Hands down the IRanians did with the hostages.
Now pretend otherwise and post 1953, 1million times more without having cluefuckingone what took place.
Yep, the CIA just walked in to Iran and forced the Iranians to overthrow their Prime Minister and return the Shah to power. The poor, little Iranians simply had no choice...presumptively because the CIA has magical powers which can make people do things they don't want to do. Furthermore, it was double clever to get the Iranians to restore the Shah to power given that the Shah was never out of power...he was Shah of Iran continually from 1941 until 1979, so it just shows the amazing prowess of the CIA that it has made the whole world believe that the Shah was out of power and needed to be restored to power by overthrowing the Prime Minister the Shah had appointed.
But don't let any of reality get in the way of your grand delusions.
Thanks for playing misinfomationbot.
Xkwisetly ignorant.
In 1953 the CIA paid terrorists to bomb Iran and undermine the government. This is what honest and informed people refer to as "history." Do you support terrorism, willful ignorance or both?
Seriously, why argue with this obviously quarlsome troll. GW puts out some very good work and the gov't trolls flock to his posts with rabid virility. Honestly the best way to 'engage' these intellectually dishonest individuals is to ignore them. don't even down vote them, let them up vote each other in their happy little circle jerk.
I enjoy pointing out the inconsistencies in his statements. But I'll check with you first next time.
Someone who (deliberately) can't be honest about how Iran was turned against the west, solely by the west, firstly via trying to steal Iran's oil via contract pre-1953, and when that didn't work, the West (i.e. joo banksters) used terrorism and overthrow via the CIA to obtain a western puppet, ruthlessly using state repression, torture and murder to enforce western oil thefts from 1953 to 1978.
So is clearly someone not the slightest bit interested in human rights, law, justice, fairness, or common decency, in Iran, or anywhere else on Earth.
Nor are they interested in any form of intelligent discussion and certainly don't want such to occur.
And are especially not interested in middle east peace or coexistence.
i'm with you crockett. many people are ignorant of much (i certainly am) but honestly want to know. they have heard the arguments of the (in this case rabidly zionist/settler) trolls as they parrot the scripts of the u.s. govt and our, generally sad, mainstream media. you will not change the troll mind (as you know) but there are many others that are motivated by honest inquiry. thanks.
+100
"Chicken Little" would be a more descriptive name.
Yeah, everybody knows the Iranians are a lawless regime, and are actively seeking nuclear weapons that they can deploy against the US and Israel. It will be a tough one, but our very competent military will bring an end to their terrorism. Hopefully we can establish a democracy in the country after the war, as we have done in so many other countries that we have liberated, brining peace and prosperity to the Iranian people.
Transformer,
You are one of the few here who have a light enough toch to make sarcasm delightful.
Thank you om
Transformer,
You are one of the few here who have a light enough toch to make sarcasm delightful.
Thank you om
"Establish a democracy"---try starting at home first! Milestones
Despite all of Chicken Little's endless whining, there isn't going to be any US war with Iran.
At worst, Israel might hit a few of their nuclear facilities.
But for everyone who has nothing better to do than to get really, really upset over things that haven't happened and are not going happen, feel free to enjoy yourselves. Birds of a feather...
"at worst, israel might hit a few of their nuclear facilities." well that certainly would convince the iranians they didn't need nuclear weapons. i would think a modest attack would convince any country to disarm. you are so insightful, thanks.
He's not writing this stuff in a vacuum. There's a whole big debate going on about this topic.
yes and of course pump gas will drop uh correct down to $7/gallon and the recovery will then be well under way.
Great satire, thanks!!
Bock, bock, bock. Bock, bock, bock, bock.
Hey, lend me seven bocks. I know you got it.
GW, your posts are always on my "must read" list. You are a true American. God bless.
george, as always, your facts and logic are impeccable....i guarantee you that the cia is fomenting this wanton and wicked war of aggression....
and don't forget that as part of the blowback from the 1953 cia coup that the cia trained that foul savak secret police to keep the piece of shit shah in power....
fuck the warmongerers
The CIA says that Iran has no nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons program or desire to create nuclear weapons. All US intelligence agencies and the Pentagon agree.
It is the politicians who want to start this war with propaganda just as they did against Iraq.
Your greenie does not work---Agree Milestones
Since cybersex is off the muslim diet maybe Abdullah Rauf should get off his knees and stop blowing nitwit george.
and don't forget the blowback of islam taking over swedenistan, francistan and the united kingdom of muzzville.
i) letting millions of people into your country who disagree with your way of life is a mistake.
ii) therefore we should bomb Iran.
- Xkwisetly Paneful's xkwiset logik
Good job George.
Thank you for ALL of the the truth you encourage Tyler.
I hope the troops say hell no we wont go this time.
War is nothing more than One Nation imposing it's will upon another People.
If Joe Public supports or does not support matters not. If China and Russia either or both launch on us for WW3, then all bets are off.
It's that serious and worth fighting for.
The seagull is hungry and stupid.
As i have said before WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS SHIT ANYMORE. WE ARE BROKE. NO MORE FUCKING WARS...LET ISRAEL FIGHT IT'S OWN FUCKING WARS.......
warhawks hate truth
don't let facts stand in the way of the US Govt shooting itself in the foot, drowning in tanker loads of hypocrisy or demonstrate the most destabilising global terrorist is the US Govt itself
the least intelligent agency in the US Govt: the CIA (Doh!)
permanently paranoid: wouldn't you be worrying about all your past fuck-ups? (Doh!)
the cutting edge of intelligence: making up mischief to justify your worthless job (Doh!)
You're right that the CIA is stupid. They're somehow oblivious to the fact that the 'destabilizing global terrorist' is the Russian government.
Al Qaeda and the like are useful stooges....like many here.
Dont let facts stand in the way of a good sabre rattle
Years ago, that was the case.
War is now the Elite Rulers hitting the "Smite" button when they need something, or some pipsqueak country does something to irritate them.
well said Vince. It has traditionally been the military industrial complex getting greedy - now it is just some sociopath lucifarian who wants blood.
redistribution of wealth, transfer of wealth, wealth disparity, etc. the rich are impossing population control on the less rich/less inteligent
Less rich? Sure. Less intelligent? I offer Paris Hilton as Exhibit A