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You can’t go faster than the speed of light – And other lies
The folks at CERN (super collider in Switzerland/Italy) are scratching their heads this weekend. They observed something happening that simply can’t be true. The scientists have measured neutrinos moving at a speed greater than the speed of light.
The possible discovery of subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light has researchers worried about one of the fundamental tenets of modern physics.
"To our great surprise we found an anomaly," said the experiment’s spokesman, Antonio Ereditato of Bern University.
The average person, said De Rujula, "could, in principle, travel to the past and kill their mother before they were born."
We shall see over the next few months whether the “anomaly” observed this week will be proven true. If it is proven, some basic building blocks of physics (E=MC^2) will come into question.
Some other "Givens" that the modern economy/civilization rests on were also brought into question in the past week. Here’s my list of those potential lies.
Keynesian Economics always works.
Lower interest rates are good for the economy.
Deficit spending as a counter cyclical measure always brings the desired results.
Low interest rates are good for the stock market.
Gold is a safe haven.
The Swiss Franc (and HK$) is a safe haven.
Dividend stocks are a safe haven
The Fed is an independent entity. Their decisions are free of political considerations.
Countries don’t go bankrupt. They just restructure their debts.
The US government can invest in new technology without risk.
HFT is a good thing as it increases liquidity during troubled market conditions.
Advanced economies can function perfectly fine with debt levels above 100% of GDP.
The US is pretty close to turning the corner and returning to sustainable economic growth.
Extended unemployment benefits are good for the economy.
The big global banks are all “Money good”.
There are no negative consequences resulting from artificially low interest rates.
The “Buy and Hold” is a good investment strategy.
The vast majority of pension funds are sound. They can easily earn the 8% compounded annual returns that are necessary to assure they can meet their obligations.
Republicans and Democrats have learned an important lesson with the S&P downgrade. Their ideological differences will be put to the side for the good of the country.
Increasing taxes is a viable solution to our problems.
It’s perfectly reasonable to push much-needed belt tightening off into the distant future. The “Markets” will accept the, “spend today but not tomorrow” policies and actually believe it.
The US Treasury Secretary has significant influence in shaping economic policy in Europe.
Market volatility is good for investors as it increases their opportunity to buy cheap assets.
ZIRP is proving to be a valuable policy tool in offsetting the economic slowdown.
Ben Bernanke actually can “Talk up” the market.
The problems facing the USA are short-term in nature. There are no structural economic impediments that need to be addressed.
Monetary and fiscal policies always work. The only possibility is that too little monetary and fiscal “Gas” is prescribed.
There are a number of truly viable presidential candidates within the Republican party.
Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy actually do understand what is going on in the financial sector of the EU. Their reluctance to act decisively is prudent policy.
The BRIC’s (especially China) will be immune from a decline in western economies. China has successfully converted its economy such that it is self-sustainable based exclusively on domestic demand.
The times have never been brighter for the possibility of lasting peace in the Middle East.
The Fed has many powerful and effective “Tools” available to achieve their desired objectives.
Investing in ten-year treasury bonds is a good investment choice. The current yield of 1.8% is more than sufficient to offset the inflationary erosion of the principal invested.
The Fed is not working lock step with the administration on economic issues. The Fed is staunchly independent. Any claims to the contrary by Republicans are just hogwash.
The possibility of new high tech failures is remote. It’s perfectly appropriate to fund star-ups with debt. Equity money is not required as bankruptcy is not a consideration.
Cocktail party stocks like Netflicks and Molycorp should always be bought on the dips.
The S&P will earn over $100/share in 2012. Stock multiples always have to move higher.
There are no, repeat, no liquidity concerns at any of the large EU banks. That’s just a fact, the heads of these banks have repeated said so.
Bernanke is omnipotent. He has the means and the will to achieve lasting economic prosperity both in the USA and the world.
There is a zero chance that the Fed’s actions this week could lead to any systemic risks. Inflation is under control today and will be for at least the next five years.
It is wise policy for the Fed to facilitate the debt issuance of the USA. More cheap debt is the solution, not the problem.
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Not to be crass but please add, "I won't c-m in your mouth" to the list. That one sums up quite a few of the others in sentiment at least.
Gilles Deleuze has some interesting comments on thought and infinite velocity. Of course, you can't measure that one in a super collider.
Small correction. Neutrino's DO have mass. Having the travel faster than c is a real problem.
I think we are going to have imminent visible proof of this speed of light thing, in this manner: There is a warning coming to our consciences, and afterwords there will be visible signs at a few places in the world.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/
It will be an interior movement, where the world at large will stop in time, and we will see ourselves as we truly are in relation to the big guy.
Then comes the miracle at at least 2 places, Garabandal and Medjugorje. Something out of this world which we will be able to see but not touch.
clicking faster than light.
Do I have to lose weight to go faster then Light?? If not I am cool with it,
Jews know enough to not name that which is ..but yet seem to know all about what is demanded of the observant Jew..much like physics knows what it measures is unknowable yet they know what that implies
A zen master asked a novice student what was out the zendo window..
looking out I said: I do not KNOW. that I know for sure.
Flash traders have know this for years.
String theorists already know you can't kill your own mother - but you can jump stream into a parallel universe and kill someone who looks exactly like your mother. There are no paradoxes.
STOP THIS DIMENSION, I WANT TO GET OFF!
Correction: those neutrinos were going faster than the speed of bud light... which is quite a bit slower. Burp.
Just because a particle appears to travel faster than the speed of light, doesn't mean it does. There are two reasons for this.
First of all, E=mc^2 basically says that even a massless particle (a neutrino) can travel at or greater than the speed of light, but in any inertial frame of reference the speed of light is c + the frame of reference. So to us, it may appear to have moved faster, but to the particle light still moved at the speed of light.
Second of all, another explaianation would be extra dimensions, which modern theoretical physics predicts in order to make superstring theory work. For example, if a particle darted in and out of dimensions, it could reappear in a different location and appear to have traveled faster than light, but in reality it just moved in other dimensions.
SO STOP BEING SO CYNICAL AND ANARCHISTIC!!!!
If the probablility that a certain trade will not arrive is 0% then the the hft trade just needs to front run the tradeusing their closer proximity to the trading terminals, thus appearing to go faster than the speed of light. It is too difficult to prove the null hypothesis that the trade did not go faster than the speed of light. The probabilty can only become closer to zero as the trade being front run approaches the terminal at 186,000 miles per second.
Gold has been the ultimate safe haven for the past 5000 years however, today they are suggesting it no longer has such a standing. Of course, there are a few facts missing in this assessment. 1. 96% of the Gold traded is paper Gold and delivery will never take place. 2. Never before in history has a central banking cartel taken such aggressive steps by forcing the CME to hike margin requirements on paper Gold while lowering them on junk US treasuries and stocks. 3. Never in history has the US bought its own dept at such a lightning speed or misstated inflation and all financial facts to the public in order to minimize the value of Gold and Silver. So, in looking at Gold, first off, look at Bullion, not the fucking con game in Chicago and London and look at real data rather than the shit given you by a corrupt cartel and fascist lying government.
Gold is the ultimate safe haven and when the game with the dollar is over, the hikes reach 100% and the overall scheme by the US is exposed, Gold will be the last man standing.
+1 - HEIGH HO SILVER! (TOO0
LHC - Welcome to the Large Hadron Collider
Come on guys, get with it. We have the power to measure all kinds of things now!
Like how long it takes for strangelets to convert the entire planet into a quark star?
Don't worry, the conversion won't hurt.
You'll never feel a thing.
God is the energy of the infinite number of dimensions
Actually a false conclusion does not rule out anything or support anything. But this does not apply to Zero's who believe lack of knowledge is the purest form of a life of discontent.
At the macro level, neutrinos can only be 'faster than light' on paper, or from bumbling inferences extrapolated from faulty data or wishful thinking. The speed of light (C) always remains constant from the conscious viewpoint (unless you're on acid).
OK, just a few bedtime thoughts, if those neutrinos were going faster than light then how the hell did they measure them? If light speed is the speed limit then it seems fair to assume that measurements cannot be taken of anything faster than light as well, or put another way, if we can measure motion that is FTL then light is not setting the speed limit, our ability to measure is.
Light speed cannot possibly be the ultimate limit for speeding mass/light because the universe is larger than 13.8 billion light years in diameter, light moving at a constant 299,792,458 meters per second for 13.8 billion years would mean we would be looking at the flash of the big bang itself, instead we see fully formed galaxies at that distance.
The speed of the expansion of the universe has not been constant, it went outward away from the big bang faster than light and slowed, then sped up again and that rate of expansion is growing.
This sounds like a pure case of entanglement to me.
By the way, did any of you look into the speed discrepancy? The distance traveled beyond what they SHOULD have traveled amounted to 18 meters out of every 732 kilometers.
That is it traveled 738,018 meters when it was supposed to only travel 738,000.
Why is my text box getting infinitely large to the right as I type? Makes formatting a bitch.
Perhaps this universe behaves the way it does in response to an infinite number of what we will call universes that from one distance perspective would make our universe like the inside of a atom's neucleus that is part of a molecule, that is part of living tissue, etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_XnAFxHd0
But if neutrinos can travel faster than light, theoreticallly there is no other side of midnight. This discovery is going to ruin a lot of songs.
I was just a tad aggravated at you for submitting a dumb music video. I thought it was going to be something reasonably close to being at least half-assed relative to economics or something. But I got sucked in, watched the video... and it fucking rocks, lol
Thanks!
this is the worst psuedo intellecual drunk thread i have ever had the sad priviledge to be a part of of...feynman bitchez...im gonna go puke on my cat...sorry that was uncalled for...
ps im getting a burger OUT!
Here are more lies:
Obama isn't doing his job.
Electric cars are too expensive.
Solar power is not viable and too expensive.
Global warming is a figment of Al Gore's imagination.
Vaccines are good for you.
Going back to the gold standard is our best course of action.
Mass green energy adoption won't solve all of America's debt problems. [It will.]
The market will plunge below 2009 March low in 2012.
Gold and silver are the best investments.
Here are more lies
You are a freethinking person who only looks at facts and comes to your own conclusions
Electricity is a power source
Al Gore makes no money promoting green energy
Ben Bernanke's primary concern is your mother's standard of living
Obama hasn't been threatened with assassination of himself and his family (in a subtle manner that allows no response)
dupe again
Not sure what or what you are for or against. Came across an awesome post by a ZH member a while ago. Still haven't found the attribution but worth reading http://arkadaba.blogspot.com/2011/04/old-new-green.html
You forgot to add some things.. Let me help...
Obama isn't doing his job.
poorly.
Electric cars are too expensive.
and emissions from dirty coal fired plants used to charge them should not be considered in their polution footprint
Solar power is not viable and too expensive.
even if it takes more electricity to produce solar panels than they will produce in their life time.
Global warming is a figment of Al Gore's imagination.
which also explains the gerneral disbelief he created the internet. It is a perception problem.. not a credibility problem.
Vaccines are good for you.
and you should by stock in iron lung manufactuers.
Going back to the gold standard is our best course of action.
becuase humans can be trusted to manage fiat money supplies without greed or huberous. Let history be your guide.
Mass green energy adoption won't solve all of America's debt problems.
if we finance it with more unpayable debt. Which also explains the massive repeated earnings jump at solarya.
The market will plunge below 2009 March low in 2012.
and the European bank crisis is a myth.
Gold and silver are the best investments.
and the last 10 years are just a massive statiscal aberation.
Hey, we don't allow faster than light drinjers in here.
So, a neutrino walks into a bar.
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Neutrino.
Knock, knock.
the second one ducked
the second one ducked who?
Who's there?
At this point I would not be too certain that they did find something that moves faster than the speed of light. Several questions have come up about the measurements and methods.
set the bulbs in a line and pre-program them to light up simultaniously - wow you got infinite bulb-light propogation speed.
They had this discovery in America in 2007, in our collider. It was dismissed as inacuracy because the Eruopien one is of a higher caliber.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
one physisists's experimental error is another's Nobel.
By the time the hft trade is done...the buyer will have aged horribly by decades while the seller will remain same
Front-running neutrinos, anything like front-running HF traders? YHOO bids shot through 500 miles of rock?
There's no thing faster than light .... except fraud .
Can particles move faster than the speed of light. Why not. There are a few books over the years that have made me question the status quo but one was by Thomas Kuhn and the other was by Biil Bryson. Both showed that existing frameworks are always overturned. Maybe not a bad thing.
Whatever. The Bomb still exploded. E = MC2 may be a little off....but only a little.
You so misinterpreted his comment it's almost funny. A waste of typing, but funny.
"To assume that all things remain constsant is illogical."
-The Greatest Natural Philosopher of the Ages
- Commander Spock
"it is illogical to constantly ASSume"
- The Greatest Natural Philanderer of the Ages-
-Sgorem, Petty Officer Second Class, USN-MCB 10-
I'm the fastest man in Siam, yes I am.
When I call on my sweetheart, I get there long before I start.
I'm the fastest man in Siam, I know I am.
(Spike Jones)
This phenomenon is old news.
Heisenberg’s uncertainty principal prevents the dual measurement of both energy and time.
So quantum experiments have observed an energy particle “tunneling” through a barrier at speeds exceeding the speed of light.
The particle’s energy can’t be measured at a specific instant but uncertainty in energy can be traded with uncertainty in time. The tunneling effect is random in nature and has been observed previously by quantum experimenters.
Read “About Time” by Paul Davis
Actually, ol' Wernerz thingie was about "position" and "momentum", since photonic interaction killed one of the two.
And the tunneling effect is used every day in, well, "Tunnel Diodes" that have various uses.
- Ned
{Venus Equilateral staff will use this effect in the future in the pursuit of Preferred Stock paying 7% div/year with expected increases in the soon to be then near future.}