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You can’t go faster than the speed of light – And other lies

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The folks at CERN (super collider in Switzerland/Italy) are scratching their heads this weekend. They observed something happening that simply can’t be true. The scientists have measured neutrinos moving at a speed greater than the speed of light.

The possible discovery of subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light has researchers worried about one of the fundamental tenets of modern physics.

 

"To our great surprise we found an anomaly," said the experiment’s spokesman, Antonio Ereditato of Bern University.

 

The average person, said De Rujula, "could, in principle, travel to the past and kill their mother before they were born."

We shall see over the next few months whether the “anomaly” observed this week will be proven true. If it is proven, some basic building blocks of physics (E=MC^2) will come into question.

Some other "Givens" that the modern economy/civilization rests on were also brought into question in the past week. Here’s my list of those potential lies.

Keynesian Economics always works.

Lower interest rates are good for the economy.

Deficit spending as a counter cyclical measure always brings the desired results.

Low interest rates are good for the stock market.

Gold is a safe haven.

The Swiss Franc (and HK$) is a safe haven.

Dividend stocks are a safe haven

The Fed is an independent entity. Their decisions are free of political considerations.

Countries don’t go bankrupt. They just restructure their debts.

The US government can invest in new technology without risk.

HFT is a good thing as it increases liquidity during troubled market conditions.

Advanced economies can function perfectly fine with debt levels above 100% of GDP.

The US is pretty close to turning the corner and returning to sustainable economic growth.

Extended unemployment benefits are good for the economy.

The big global banks are all “Money good”.

There are no negative consequences resulting from artificially low interest rates.

The “Buy and Hold” is a good investment strategy.

The vast majority of pension funds are sound. They can easily earn the 8% compounded annual returns that are necessary to assure they can meet their obligations.

Republicans and Democrats have learned an important lesson with the S&P downgrade. Their ideological differences will be put to the side for the good of the country.

Increasing taxes is a viable solution to our problems.

It’s perfectly reasonable to push much-needed belt tightening off into the distant future. The “Markets” will accept the, “spend today but not tomorrow” policies and actually believe it.

The US Treasury Secretary has significant influence in shaping economic policy in Europe.

Market volatility is good for investors as it increases their opportunity to buy cheap assets.

ZIRP is proving to be a valuable policy tool in offsetting the economic slowdown.

Ben Bernanke actually can “Talk up” the market.

The problems facing the USA are short-term in nature. There are no structural economic impediments that need to be addressed.

Monetary and fiscal policies always work. The only possibility is that too little monetary and fiscal “Gas” is prescribed.

There are a number of truly viable presidential candidates within the Republican party.

Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy actually do understand what is going on in the financial sector of the EU. Their reluctance to act decisively is prudent policy.

The BRIC’s (especially China) will be immune from a decline in western economies. China has successfully converted its economy such that it is self-sustainable based exclusively on domestic demand.

The times have never been brighter for the possibility of lasting peace in the Middle East.

The Fed has many powerful and effective “Tools” available to achieve their desired objectives.

Investing in ten-year treasury bonds is a good investment choice. The current yield of 1.8% is more than sufficient to offset the inflationary erosion of the principal invested.

The Fed is not working lock step with the administration on economic issues. The Fed is staunchly independent. Any claims to the contrary by Republicans are just hogwash.

The possibility of new high tech failures is remote. It’s perfectly appropriate to fund star-ups with debt. Equity money is not required as bankruptcy is not a consideration.

Cocktail party stocks like Netflicks and Molycorp should always be bought on the dips.

The S&P will earn over $100/share in 2012. Stock multiples always have to move higher.

There are no, repeat, no liquidity concerns at any of the large EU banks. That’s just a fact, the heads of these banks have repeated said so.

Bernanke is omnipotent. He has the means and the will to achieve lasting economic prosperity both in the USA and the world.

There is a zero chance that the Fed’s actions this week could lead to any systemic risks. Inflation is under control today and will be for at least the next five years.

It is wise policy for the Fed to facilitate the debt issuance of the USA. More cheap debt is the solution, not the problem.

 

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Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:22 | 1705777 vast-dom
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It means Graham Summers and his leprechauns can actually offer gold for $350/oz..........and we could delete all of his posts.........time travel is a bitch, biyatchez!

 

It also means we scramble ourselves out of existence through time (travel). 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:59 | 1705731 SwingForce
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Bruce, you don't think dividend stocks are a safe bet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2FolId6CA

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 09:59 | 1707270 Bruce Krasting
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No. Nothing is safe.

The most widely touted dividend stock is JNJ. Look at the chart. Dead money for ten years. The dividend was about 2% for the period. Inflation came to 30%.

So the ten year result adjusted for dividends is minus 10-15%.

While it is true that a 2.5% dividend helps, It is also true that the same stocks can go down 2.5% in a day. They don't seem to go up much over time.

MSFT has a dividend these days. You like that? I hate it. MSFT is down 75% in 10 years. including dividends.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 18:10 | 1706069 Pitchman
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You really need to look at a dollar chart; biggest move in over a year. 

See: Stocks/Commodities May Get Hammered If Dollar Rallies

Also see the Art Cashin Piece done here on zerohedge and posted here: Panic And Perspective On Wall Street From Art Cashin

For a real truth See how money, created out of thin air, can disappear as if it never existed: Evaporation of Wealth on a Vast Scale: How $Millions - Trillions Can Disappear

And when it comes to the bigger questions remember God does not play with dice.  There is a unifying construct.

See: Fibonacci Numbers - The Fingerprint of God & God Within

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:25 | 1705634 jon
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enter nikola tesla.

http://i.imgur.com/Pq0f4.jpg

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 08:43 | 1707130 tip e. canoe
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got netflix streaming?

watch The Pyramid Code - ep 2 - High Level Technology

real mindbender...there's a bit about tesla in there as well.

 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:46 | 1705827 tip e. canoe
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more tesla:  "What we now want is closer contact and better understanding between individuals and communities all over the earth, and the elimination of egoism and pride which is always prone to plunge the world into primeval barbarism and strife...? Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment..."

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:31 | 1706223 krispkritter
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That guy was so far ahead of his time...TPTB, even then, saw him as a threat to their wealth/power and banished him to obscurity and a lonely death.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:43 | 1706249 tip e. canoe
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and then confiscated all his notebooks

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:12 | 1705762 snowball777
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"I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight..."

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1705654 thegr8whorebabylon
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Bruce, that Tesla pic-quote by jon above should be your signature graffiti for this piece.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:13 | 1705607 TheJudge2012
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You can't "go back in time and kill your mother before you were born." If you could travel faster than light, you may be able to view the light waves like you view a movie, and privacy would take another hit.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 00:31 | 1706711 Debugas
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traveling faster than light does not mean you can go back to the past. Why dont people get this to understand ?

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:11 | 1705757 the grateful un...
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Philip Frye became his own grandfather, on Futurama.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1705600 michael___c
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there is IMO a fundamental similarity between the economic establishment and the science establishment, in that the standard models serve the powers that be. the establishment science paradigm is materialist in outlook and isolationist in its approach, and sidesteps inconvenient realities.
so you have a rupert sheldrake calling for empirically testing phenomena such as ESP, who is made a pariah in the so-called 'scientific' community. or beneviste studying water memory. or the lovely and delightfully mysterious crop circles and their astounding geometry.
if science were truly an indepedent search for truth, rather than another manifestation of corporate bankster control, these topics would be primary areas of study, rather than pushed to the fringe and held there by funding structures and media control.
i notice how the so-called 'skeptics' are very selective in what they are skeptical about, and it seems to correspond rather closely to a view of science that ultimately serves the industrio-military complex and its masters.
sheldrake actually questioned the 'absolute' speed of light several years ago. see, Seven Experiments to Change the World. what i am impressed with in that book is that he is not only called for empirical testing but also suggests feasible, inexpensive research designs, by which we could solve some of these problems 'scientifically,' i.e., empirically, without the current polemic static noise which serves to distract only too well.
but maybe this our compromised 'scientific' model is coming into a period of radical change too, as our economic system seems to be (?). cheers.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 16:02 | 1705860 tip e. canoe
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nice one on rupert sheldrake.   great discussion w/ terence on morphogenetic fields here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvbC58Jim0E

"these topics would be primary areas of study, rather than pushed to the fringe and held there by funding structures and media control."

yeah, like this one:

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/press-statement.html

"it seems to correspond rather closely to a view of science that ultimately serves the industrio-military complex and its masters."

maybe what's being explored on the fringe is also a servant of the MIC, et al, which is why it needs to remain on the fringe & secret to most so that what's created out of it is either considered 'magic' or 'bunk' by 96% of the populace? (see comment next to this one for example)

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:35 | 1706115 Pitchman
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Step out on a limb with me.  The fact that corporatist and their agenda is pervasive in every facet life is not supprising.  What is most disturbing is it's capture of scientific pursuit and the promotion of junk science.

Who would have thought that politics incorporated with science makes better science?

It does not of course and is the bane of evolution and a path to self distruction.  Otherwise we would all be speaking German.  The caveat of course is history repeats itself.  At this stage in our development there is no transfer of genetic information regarding destructive behavior; simply, humans learn nothing from their mistakes.

Inflection Point

I just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDBkpIU9UMM&feature=player_embedded#!

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 20:01 | 1706291 tip e. canoe
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techno-dimensional spiritual warfare, huh?   sounds like what's going on right now.

bucky fuller talked a lot about the inherent dissonance btw politics & science.   of course, he also mentioned that every significant technological advancement was discovered by us trying to find new ways to blow each other up.

i/o/w there's 2 sides to every coin.   don't know about anyone else, one thing i've realized is that i've learned a shitload in the last 10 years and didn't even need to go to college to do it.   all courtesy of a technology created by a bunch of acidheads financed by the US military.

question is: will all that knowledge that's accumulated in peoples' brains (even subconsciously) make a damn bit of difference this go around of the cycle?

stay tuned for "As the Currency Burns"...

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:43 | 1705817 MichaelG
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"Water memory."  You mean homeopathy, right?  The view that a substance diluted 100 times (such that it would require a sphere of water stretching from Earth to the Sun to even contain one single molecule of the original substance) yet retains some pathological efficacy?  I think science has spent quite enough time on that.

Oh, and crop circles are made by dudes with planks.

I'm somewhat with you on ESP, though - it's not as if we understand internal consciousness sufficiently to be able to rule out possible external aspects.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 16:04 | 1705867 tip e. canoe
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ever been inside a crop circle?   if you ever get a chance, don't forget to wear a pair of Depends.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:04 | 1705574 Spartacus
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Bernanksii just went back in time and found that he was a PIMP and also he loved giving blow jobs. Hahahah.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:00 | 1705551 PulauHantu29
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China is shitting a brick right now. How would you like 1.3 Billion hungry dissatisfied workers/peasants? After all, the auto workers in The Middle Kingdom did not get the "$5,000 signup bonus" the taxpayer-supported GM just handed its workers as well as a guarantee 3% pay raise.....sweet!

Uncle Sam is mighty generous....with OPM.

 

 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:01 | 1705737 AdahPrice
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I just want whatever bonus Larry Summers gets. 

China has the same problem everybody else has: overpopulation.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 09:42 | 1707236 Ned Zeppelin
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Eliminate the surplus population.  Beachfront property for everyone. 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 18:41 | 1706121 Pitchman
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You can hook up with the Club of Rome folks who promote a world population of 1 billion or less.  That will make it rather difficlut for the other 5.6 - 6 billion.  So long and thanks for all the fish!

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:35 | 1706229 bid the soldier...
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God created the population explosion with human sexual behavior. When the time comes he will correct the overpopulation situation with an activity of just as much fun. Amen.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:22 | 1705628 reader2010
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The China's ruling elite successfully managed to starve 45 million peasants to death right after the Great Leap Forward between 1959 and 1962. They can definitely do thousand times better this time around.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:41 | 1705683 Fish Gone Bad
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The internet makes everything easier, even for China.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:55 | 1705537 Careless Whisper
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Hey I got an idea. Maybe those scientists can go back in time and cancel the CERN super collider and we would all save the $11 Billion spent for nothing.

 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:01 | 1705558 snowball777
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So we can give it to the TBTF instead, ignorant?

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:45 | 1705513 ThirdCoastSurfer
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There is a reason we use math to solve the complex equations that seem to defy logic. 

Unfortunately, the math for a neutrino doesn't work and attempting to use "the observable" to disprove the math is, incomplete, at best. 

Since neutrinos are able to defy both mass and gravity, how can they claim that the neutrino they start with is the one they end with? The supercollider must be constantly bombarded with external neutrinos, with no way to prevent it, and all other "hits" must be excluded in favor of the one expected -which is hardly proof.  

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:34 | 1705657 byukid
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They're beaming tau-neutrinos andr eciveving mu-neutrinos. Those don't just happen to show up 16,000 times consistently. The tau converts to mu in the process.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:44 | 1705689 Fish Gone Bad
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+1

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:53 | 1705713 d_senti
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And FTL neutrinos aren't a problem in Lorentzian relativity, which is nearly equivalent to Einsteinian SR. The restriction to travel at c still applies to electromagnetic processes - virtually everything we see, which explains why we haven't noticed this before. Neutrinos, gravitons, etc could travel faster than c, and the mathematical tweaks are minor (though the implications of those changes are huge). This experiment has, for the first time, proven one model (LR) over the other (SR).

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 12:20 | 1707639 tmosley
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Gravitational frame dragging has been observed, so any graviton that exists travels at the speed of light.

Which come to think of it is a nice, intuitive explanation as to why objects with mass require infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light--the gravitons accumulate to a greater and greater degree as you get closer to that velocity.  I would presume that is also why tachyons are supposed to have the greatest energy at the lowest speeds (just above c) and zero energy at infinite speed.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 15:36 | 1708297 d_senti
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Then why are there no observed aberrations in gravity like we see in light, despite the objects accelerating? The Pounting-Robertson effect shows (inversely) the consequences of aberration in gravity. At the event horizon of a black hole, light travels at zero, meaning there is no time. Then how does gravity escape? You can't claim space-time is frozen in place because curvature is meaningless without force. Gravitons escape past the event horizon (or there would be no gravity) even though they are passing through space which is so curved that light cannot.

Gravitons go faster than light, period. Gravitational radiation only goes the speed of light, but that's something else entirely. Many individuals ignore that, when calculating orbits, physicists always use a Newtonian instantaneous gravitational pull to get the right answer. Not saying gravity is if infinite velocity, but it has no observable aberration and therefore is orders of magnitude faster than light. There is simply no other explanation, as the gravitational pull could not possibly predict the future acceleration of objects; the interaction is in real time, not anticipatory.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 00:37 | 1706723 Debugas
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yes the world is actually Lorentzian and not Einstein's way

there is a great amount of effort going on to extend pilot-wave (Bohm's , de Broglie's) interpretation of quantum mechanics to the relativistic case

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:30 | 1706018 PhattyBuoy
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The empirical evidence suggesting neutrinos travel faster than light was clearly demonstrated by the SN1987 supernova in 1987.

SN1987 Neutrinos were observed arriving at earth data collection points 3 hours before the visible light from SN1987.

The SN1987 was obliterated in a 13 second explosion burst, but current science believes the Neutrinos somehow departed the nova 3 hours before the light burst. This is of course complete bullshit.

Albert Einstein. "Really new trails are rarely blazed in the great academies. The confining walls of conformist dogma are too dominating."

Too bad Einstein was talking about himself ...

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 20:30 | 1706359 Hulk
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I had forgotten about the light lag time on SN1987. This is going to be very, very interesting...

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1705506 geno-econ
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Another "Givens" is "Derivatives spread risk" --- because they move faster than the spead of light and the regulators move at the spead prescribed by bank lobbyists.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:34 | 1705477 ThirdCoastSurfer
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What a list! Brilliant job!  

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:33 | 1705465 the grateful un...
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here's my cocktail napkin plan for gaming the 2000's.

Everything thing that happened in the previous century will be repeated, with the opposite result in most cases. We started backing up, historically. The stock market crash of 1930's was repeated starting in 2000 - 2008, and beyond probably.There were no soup lines, no massive migration, no dust bowl. No World War at the end of it all. Monetary policy didn't work, and Americans went back to historically maligned policies of Isolationism, Protectionism, and Pacifism.

George Bush wanted to rewrite the legacy of defeat in Vietnam, and prove that America could intervene around the globe, militarily and succeed. He achieved his goal, when everyone was sure he would fail. Despite his own personal limitations, Bush turned out to be the best of a series of failed Presidencies. He will be remembered as a visionary. History will not smile on the leadership during the forty year span from 1980 to 2020.

The Civil Rights Act is going to be reversed. This time blacks will move to their own neighborhoods, and maintain separate but equal economic, social, and religious institutions. Attention Huckstables.

The real technology revolution will begin, food, shelter and clothing are ubiquitious, causing all strife between governments to end. The world population begins to shrink, as the need for more human resources diminishes (people to fight wars, to work in factories, to breed other humans to the do the same).

Pot becomes the universal solvent. Scientists figure out ways to extract all the medicinal properties without the intoxicating side effects. The solutions are marketed to consumers, who grow their own plants, and apply these solutions to create whatever they need. Bye bye Big Pharma and chemically based medications.

Most of these changes require the destruction of existing institutions, political, business, social and religious. Religion will enjoy a comeback as science becomes so seamlessly involved in our lives that we no longer understand it, or see it working, and we are therefore free to believe whatever we like. A built in GPS with social, economic and personal guidance will help program our daily lifes. Relieved of the need to understand science, we can freely embrace all manner of superstition and magic thinking (see Adventures of Don Juan, or the Book of Genesis)

Money will only get you things you want, that other people with money have. The non-money economy will compete, successfully.

 

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:06 | 1705388 nmewn
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Yet another scientific "Well, this just changes everything we thought we knew" moment.

This phenomena is also observed in academic & economic circles but never ever learned from...lol.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 16:11 | 1705880 franzpick
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Mankind swims regularly in the Sea of Knowledge, emerging completely dry.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 02:22 | 1706830 RichardP
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The iPad says you are wrong. ;-)

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 19:54 | 1706275 nmewn
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Excellent!

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:16 | 1705420 johnQpublic
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they've actually made electrons travel faster than speed of light before via 'electron drilling'

 

think electron croquet

 

kinda like banging money around the same way...

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:05 | 1705386 mynhair
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You forgot

Pigs CAN fly.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 16:02 | 1705865 Libertarian777
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Pigs can fly alright. It's the landing they can't stick.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1705363 thegr8whorebabylon
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I guess they weren't bullshitting when they said, 'God is out of time', (outside of time).  Works perfectly with string theory and explains healing, bi location, multiplication and resurrection.

Funny that we don't merit the doctors of that science.  God loves engineers.  (The two living priests noted below began as engineers and have performed all of the feats noted above, and more).

http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/images/Image33.jpg

http://fatherfernando.com/

Worth visiting these guys if you need a miracle or two.   May I also recommend a visit to the Dalmatian coast, and Medjugorje. 

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