“We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" - Big Brother Goes Live September 2013

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George Orwell was right. He was just 30 years early.

In its April cover story, Wired has an exclusive report on the NSA's Utah Data Center, which is a must read for anyone who believes any privacy is still a possibility in the United States: "A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks.... Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.”... The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013." In other words, in just over 1 year, virtually anything one communicates through any traceable medium, or any record of one's existence in the electronic medium, which these days is everything, will unofficially be property of the US government to deal with as it sees fit.

The codename of the project: Stellar Wind.

As Wired says, "there is no doubt that it has transformed itself into the largest, most covert, and potentially most intrusive intelligence agency ever created."

And as former NSA operative William Binney who was a senior NSA crypto-mathematician, and is the basis for the Wired article (which we guess makes him merely the latest whistleblower to step up: is America suddenly experiencing an ethical revulsion?), and quit his job only after he realized that the NSA is now openly trampling the constitution, says as he holds his thumb and forefinger close together. "We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state."

There was a time when Americans still cared about matters such as personal privacy. Luckily, they now have iGadgets to keep them distracted as they hand over their last pieces of individuality to the Tzar of conformity. And there are those who wonder just what the purpose of the NDAA is.

In the meantime please continue to pretend that America is a democracy...

Here are some of the highlights from the Wired article:

The Utah Data Center in a nutshell, and the summary of the current status of the NSA's eavesdropping on US citizens.

Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.


But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle—financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications—will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”


In the process—and for the first time since Watergate and the other scandals of the Nixon administration—the NSA has turned its surveillance apparatus on the US and its citizens. It has established listening posts throughout the nation to collect and sift through billions of email messages and phone calls, whether they originate within the country or overseas. It has created a supercomputer of almost unimaginable speed to look for patterns and unscramble codes. Finally, the agency has begun building a place to store all the trillions of words and thoughts and whispers captured in its electronic net. And, of course, it’s all being done in secret. To those on the inside, the old adage that NSA stands for Never Say Anything applies more than ever.


...Shrouded in secrecy:

A short time later, Inglis arrived in Bluffdale at the site of the future data center, a flat, unpaved runway on a little-used part of Camp Williams, a National Guard training site. There, in a white tent set up for the occasion, Inglis joined Harvey Davis, the agency’s associate director for installations and logistics, and Utah senator Orrin Hatch, along with a few generals and politicians in a surreal ceremony. Standing in an odd wooden sandbox and holding gold-painted shovels, they made awkward jabs at the sand and thus officially broke ground on what the local media had simply dubbed “the spy center.” Hoping for some details on what was about to be built, reporters turned to one of the invited guests, Lane Beattie of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. Did he have any idea of the purpose behind the new facility in his backyard? “Absolutely not,” he said with a self-conscious half laugh. “Nor do I want them spying on me.”


Within days, the tent and sandbox and gold shovels would be gone and Inglis and the generals would be replaced by some 10,000 construction workers. “We’ve been asked not to talk about the project,” Rob Moore, president of Big-D Construction, one of the three major contractors working on the project, told a local reporter. The plans for the center show an extensive security system: an elaborate $10 million antiterrorism protection program, including a fence designed to stop a 15,000-pound vehicle traveling 50 miles per hour, closed-circuit cameras, a biometric identification system, a vehicle inspection facility, and a visitor-control center.


Inside, the facility will consist of four 25,000-square-foot halls filled with servers, complete with raised floor space for cables and storage. In addition, there will be more than 900,000 square feet for technical support and administration. The entire site will be self-sustaining, with fuel tanks large enough to power the backup generators for three days in an emergency, water storage with the capability of pumping 1.7 million gallons of liquid per day, as well as a sewage system and massive air-conditioning system to keep all those servers cool. Electricity will come from the center’s own substation built by Rocky Mountain Power to satisfy the 65-megawatt power demand. Such a mammoth amount of energy comes with a mammoth price tag—about $40 million a year, according to one estimate.

Presenting the Yottabyte, aka 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text:

Given the facility’s scale and the fact that a terabyte of data can now be stored on a flash drive the size of a man’s pinky, the potential amount of information that could be housed in Bluffdale is truly staggering. But so is the exponential growth in the amount of intelligence data being produced every day by the eavesdropping sensors of the NSA and other intelligence agencies. As a result of this “expanding array of theater airborne and other sensor networks,” as a 2007 Department of Defense report puts it, the Pentagon is attempting to expand its worldwide communications network, known as the Global Information Grid, to handle yottabytes (1024 bytes) of data. (A yottabyte is a septillion bytes—so large that no one has yet coined a term for the next higher magnitude.)


It needs that capacity because, according to a recent report by Cisco, global Internet traffic will quadruple from 2010 to 2015, reaching 966 exabytes per year. (A million exabytes equal a yottabyte.) In terms of scale, Eric Schmidt, Google’s former CEO, once estimated that the total of all human knowledge created from the dawn of man to 2003 totaled 5 exabytes. And the data flow shows no sign of slowing. In 2011 more than 2 billion of the world’s 6.9 billion people were connected to the Internet. By 2015, market research firm IDC estimates, there will be 2.7 billion users. Thus, the NSA’s need for a 1-million-square-foot data storehouse. Should the agency ever fill the Utah center with a yottabyte of information, it would be equal to about 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text.

Summarizing the NSA's entire spy network:


Before yottabytes of data from the deep web and elsewhere can begin piling up inside the servers of the NSA’s new center, they must be collected. To better accomplish that, the agency has undergone the largest building boom in its history, including installing secret electronic monitoring rooms in major US telecom facilities. Controlled by the NSA, these highly secured spaces are where the agency taps into the US communications networks, a practice that came to light during the Bush years but was never acknowledged by the agency. The broad outlines of the so-called warrantless-wiretapping program have long been exposed—how the NSA secretly and illegally bypassed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which was supposed to oversee and authorize highly targeted domestic eavesdropping; how the program allowed wholesale monitoring of millions of American phone calls and email. In the wake of the program’s exposure, Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which largely made the practices legal. Telecoms that had agreed to participate in the illegal activity were granted immunity from prosecution and lawsuits. What wasn’t revealed until now, however, was the enormity of this ongoing domestic spying program.

Luckily, we now know, courtesy of yet another whistleblower, who has exposed the NSA's mindblowing efforts at pervasive Big Brotherness:

For the first time, a former NSA official has gone on the record to describe the program, codenamed Stellar Wind, in detail. William Binney was a senior NSA crypto-mathematician largely responsible for automating the agency’s worldwide eavesdropping network. A tall man with strands of black hair across the front of his scalp and dark, determined eyes behind thick-rimmed glasses, the 68-year-old spent nearly four decades breaking codes and finding new ways to channel billions of private phone calls and email messages from around the world into the NSA’s bulging databases. As chief and one of the two cofounders of the agency’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center, Binney and his team designed much of the infrastructure that’s still likely used to intercept international and foreign communications.


He explains that the agency could have installed its tapping gear at the nation’s cable landing stations—the more than two dozen sites on the periphery of the US where fiber-optic cables come ashore. If it had taken that route, the NSA would have been able to limit its eavesdropping to just international communications, which at the time was all that was allowed under US law. Instead it chose to put the wiretapping rooms at key junction points throughout the country—large, windowless buildings known as switches—thus gaining access to not just international communications but also to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the US. The network of intercept stations goes far beyond the single room in an AT&T building in San Francisco exposed by a whistle-blower in 2006. “I think there’s 10 to 20 of them,” Binney says. “That’s not just San Francisco; they have them in the middle of the country and also on the East Coast.”


The eavesdropping on Americans doesn’t stop at the telecom switches. To capture satellite communications in and out of the US, the agency also monitors AT&T’s powerful earth stations, satellite receivers in locations that include Roaring Creek and Salt Creek. Tucked away on a back road in rural Catawissa, Pennsylvania, Roaring Creek’s three 105-foot dishes handle much of the country’s communications to and from Europe and the Middle East. And on an isolated stretch of land in remote Arbuckle, California, three similar dishes at the company’s Salt Creek station service the Pacific Rim and Asia.

In other words, the NSA has absolutely everyone covered.

We now know all of this, courtesy of yet another person finally stepping up and exposing the truth:

Binney left the NSA in late 2001, shortly after the agency launched its warrantless-wiretapping program. “They violated the Constitution setting it up,” he says bluntly. “But they didn’t care. They were going to do it anyway, and they were going to crucify anyone who stood in the way. When they started violating the Constitution, I couldn’t stay.” Binney says Stellar Wind was far larger than has been publicly disclosed and included not just eavesdropping on domestic phone calls but the inspection of domestic email. At the outset the program recorded 320 million calls a day, he says, which represented about 73 to 80 percent of the total volume of the agency’s worldwide intercepts. The haul only grew from there. According to Binney—who has maintained close contact with agency employees until a few years ago—the taps in the secret rooms dotting the country are actually powered by highly sophisticated software programs that conduct “deep packet inspection,” examining Internet traffic as it passes through the 10-gigabit-per-second cables at the speed of light.


The software, created by a company called Narus that’s now part of Boeing, is controlled remotely from NSA headquarters at Fort Meade in Maryland and searches US sources for target addresses, locations, countries, and phone numbers, as well as watch-listed names, keywords, and phrases in email. Any communication that arouses suspicion, especially those to or from the million or so people on agency watch lists, are automatically copied or recorded and then transmitted to the NSA.

Everyone is a target.

The scope of surveillance expands from there, Binney says. Once a name is entered into the Narus database, all phone calls and other communications to and from that person are automatically routed to the NSA’s recorders. “Anybody you want, route to a recorder,” Binney says. “If your number’s in there? Routed and gets recorded.” He adds, “The Narus device allows you to take it all.” And when Bluffdale is completed, whatever is collected will be routed there for storage and analysis.


After he left the NSA, Binney suggested a system for monitoring people’s communications according to how closely they are connected to an initial target. The further away from the target—say you’re just an acquaintance of a friend of the target—the less the surveillance. But the agency rejected the idea, and, given the massive new storage facility in Utah, Binney suspects that it now simply collects everything. “The whole idea was, how do you manage 20 terabytes of intercept a minute?” he says. “The way we proposed was to distinguish between things you want and things you don’t want.” Instead, he adds, “they’re storing everything they gather.” And the agency is gathering as much as it can.


Once the communications are intercepted and stored, the data-mining begins. “You can watch everybody all the time with data- mining,” Binney says. Everything a person does becomes charted on a graph, “financial transactions or travel or anything,” he says. Thus, as data like bookstore receipts, bank statements, and commuter toll records flow in, the NSA is able to paint a more and more detailed picture of someone’s life.

Can you hear me now? The NSA sure can:

According to Binney, one of the deepest secrets of the Stellar Wind program—again, never confirmed until now—was that the NSA gained warrantless access to AT&T’s vast trove of domestic and international billing records, detailed information about who called whom in the US and around the world. As of 2007, AT&T had more than 2.8 trillion records housed in a database at its Florham Park, New Jersey, complex.


Verizon was also part of the program, Binney says, and that greatly expanded the volume of calls subject to the agency’s domestic eavesdropping. “That multiplies the call rate by at least a factor of five,” he says. “So you’re over a billion and a half calls a day.” (Spokespeople for Verizon and AT&T said their companies would not comment on matters of national security.)

In fact, as you talk now, the NSA's computers are listening, recording it all, and looking for keywords.

The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor at the NSA facility in Georgia, in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.” Even journalists calling home from overseas were included. “A lot of time you could tell they were calling their families,” she says, “incredibly intimate, personal conversations.” Kinne found the act of eavesdropping on innocent fellow citizens personally distressing. “It’s almost like going through and finding somebody’s diary,” she says.

There is a simple matter of encryption... Which won't be an issue for the NSA shortly, once the High Productivity Computing Systems project goes online.

Anyone—from terrorists and weapons dealers to corporations, financial institutions, and ordinary email senders—can use it to seal their messages, plans, photos, and documents in hardened data shells. For years, one of the hardest shells has been the Advanced Encryption Standard, one of several algorithms used by much of the world to encrypt data. Available in three different strengths—128 bits, 192 bits, and 256 bits—it’s incorporated in most commercial email programs and web browsers and is considered so strong that the NSA has even approved its use for top-secret US government communications. Most experts say that a so-called brute-force computer attack on the algorithm—trying one combination after another to unlock the encryption—would likely take longer than the age of the universe. For a 128-bit cipher, the number of trial-and-error attempts would be 340 undecillion (1036).


Breaking into those complex mathematical shells like the AES is one of the key reasons for the construction going on in Bluffdale. That kind of cryptanalysis requires two major ingredients: super-fast computers to conduct brute-force attacks on encrypted messages and a massive number of those messages for the computers to analyze. The more messages from a given target, the more likely it is for the computers to detect telltale patterns, and Bluffdale will be able to hold a great many messages. “We questioned it one time,” says another source, a senior intelligence manager who was also involved with the planning. “Why were we building this NSA facility? And, boy, they rolled out all the old guys—the crypto guys.” According to the official, these experts told then-director of national intelligence Dennis Blair, “You’ve got to build this thing because we just don’t have the capability of doing the code-breaking.” It was a candid admission. In the long war between the code breakers and the code makers—the tens of thousands of cryptographers in the worldwide computer security industry—the code breakers were admitting defeat.


So the agency had one major ingredient—a massive data storage facility—under way. Meanwhile, across the country in Tennessee, the government was working in utmost secrecy on the other vital element: the most powerful computer the world has ever known.


The plan was launched in 2004 as a modern-day Manhattan Project. Dubbed the High Productivity Computing Systems program, its goal was to advance computer speed a thousandfold, creating a machine that could execute a quadrillion (1015) operations a second, known as a petaflop—the computer equivalent of breaking the land speed record. And as with the Manhattan Project, the venue chosen for the supercomputing program was the town of Oak Ridge in eastern Tennessee, a rural area where sharp ridges give way to low, scattered hills, and the southwestward-flowing Clinch River bends sharply to the southeast. About 25 miles from Knoxville, it is the “secret city” where uranium- 235 was extracted for the first atomic bomb. A sign near the exit read: what you see here, what you do here, what you hear here, when you leave here, let it stay here. Today, not far from where that sign stood, Oak Ridge is home to the Department of Energy’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory, and it’s engaged in a new secret war. But this time, instead of a bomb of almost unimaginable power, the weapon is a computer of almost unimaginable speed.


At the DOE’s unclassified center at Oak Ridge, work progressed at a furious pace, although it was a one-way street when it came to cooperation with the closemouthed people in Building 5300. Nevertheless, the unclassified team had its Cray XT4 supercomputer upgraded to a warehouse-sized XT5. Named Jaguar for its speed, it clocked in at 1.75 petaflops, officially becoming the world’s fastest computer in 2009.


Meanwhile, over in Building 5300, the NSA succeeded in building an even faster supercomputer. “They made a big breakthrough,” says another former senior intelligence official, who helped oversee the program. The NSA’s machine was likely similar to the unclassified Jaguar, but it was much faster out of the gate, modified specifically for cryptanalysis and targeted against one or more specific algorithms, like the AES. In other words, they were moving from the research and development phase to actually attacking extremely difficult encryption systems. The code-breaking effort was up and running.


The breakthrough was enormous, says the former official, and soon afterward the agency pulled the shade down tight on the project, even within the intelligence community and Congress. “Only the chairman and vice chairman and the two staff directors of each intelligence committee were told about it,” he says. The reason? “They were thinking that this computing breakthrough was going to give them the ability to crack current public encryption.”

So kiss PGP goodbye. In fact kiss every aspect of your privacy goodbye.

Yottabytes and exaflops, septillions and undecillions—the race for computing speed and data storage goes on. In his 1941 story “The Library of Babel,” Jorge Luis Borges imagined a collection of information where the entire world’s knowledge is stored but barely a single word is understood. In Bluffdale the NSA is constructing a library on a scale that even Borges might not have contemplated. And to hear the masters of the agency tell it, it’s only a matter of time until every word is illuminated.

As for the Constitution... What Constitution?

Before he gave up and left the NSA, Binney tried to persuade officials to create a more targeted system that could be authorized by a court. At the time, the agency had 72 hours to obtain a legal warrant, and Binney devised a method to computerize the system. “I had proposed that we automate the process of requesting a warrant and automate approval so we could manage a couple of million intercepts a day, rather than subvert the whole process.” But such a system would have required close coordination with the courts, and NSA officials weren’t interested in that, Binney says. Instead they continued to haul in data on a grand scale. Asked how many communications—”transactions,” in NSA’s lingo—the agency has intercepted since 9/11, Binney estimates the number at “between 15 and 20 trillion, the aggregate over 11 years.”


When Barack Obama took office, Binney hoped the new administration might be open to reforming the program to address his constitutional concerns. He and another former senior NSA analyst, J. Kirk Wiebe, tried to bring the idea of an automated warrant-approval system to the attention of the Department of Justice’s inspector general. They were given the brush-off. “They said, oh, OK, we can’t comment,” Binney says.

In conclusion, the NSA's own whistleblower summarizes it best.

Sitting in a restaurant not far from NSA headquarters, the place where he spent nearly 40 years of his life, Binney held his thumb and forefinger close together. “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state,” he says.

... And nobody cares.

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CH1's picture

If you want REAL security, you'll have to pay for it.

But it is available.

Amish Hacker's picture

How much do homing pigeons cost these days?

Lednbrass's picture

Pay cash? All of the various Communities Against Terrorism fliers out there from the FBI specifically mention paying with cash as something suspicious.

Expect to be reported as a malcontent.


Renfield's picture

@vato poco

"If you want real security, you're gonna have to go low-tech: handwritten messages personally delivered, one-time codes....all the stuff that helped the 'insurgent' force beat the shit out of the 'US' force in the 'Millenium Challenge 2002' war games. (It's googleable, and interesting reading.)(Equally interesting is the Mil response to the 'Insurgents' success: they made' em start over, and only use comms and tactics the 'US' force could intercept. Unusual concept: "War Games" redefined as "make sure Blue Team wins.")

"And start leaving your cell phones at home, gang. Buy an old car - one without GPS or Onstar. No QuikPay toll stickers. And pay cash!!"

Hear, hear. I wish I had two votes to vote you up twice for that. Best advice on this whole topic so far - go guerrilla.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture


GPG still works far as I can see.

Traffic analysis (tracking the content without seeing into it) is MUCH harder to secure. Scatter-shot of origin & destination is needed.  Far, far too difficult for the average bear.

mkhs's picture

What about TOR.  Doesn't it scramble the route?


Tor Project: Anonymity Online 
MeelionDollerBogus's picture

no. The end-destinations for TOR are being sniffed & are not covered. Obfuscating the route for data that's encrypted is not enough. The most IMPORTANT parts are the source & destination. TOR is not doing enough to protect the end-points. For physical goods you want the entire route safe. For data it's the end-points where the physical goods are - your ass.

AndTheRest's picture

TOR is fairly easy to defeat by doing traffic analysis and correlating related data streams using non-content oriented information.


I.E. it doesn't matter if your data is routed through a couple of intermediary hop points if the attacker can observe all of the traffic to and from all of the hop points along the way.  Completely irrelevant.  Relatively trivial to defeat TOR actually.  For someone with the ability to surveil the entire internet anyway.

loveyajimbo's picture

Ron Paul, baby... not Goldman Mitt or Joan of Arc Rick Sanitarium.  Only Paul would stop this abortion... Better not post here then, or you end up in a FEMA camp... I'll see you guys in Canada...

Yen Cross's picture

 I see your point, and like it.  Is (RonPaul), going to use bunker busters on the Utah desert? tiny bit of sarc/

putaipan's picture

i don't hear ron paul talking about bringing charges against bush/obama- 


AndTheRest's picture

Canada is one of the Five-Eyes of Echelon and the Anglo based New World Order.


Scratch ALL of the Anglo nations off the list if your goal is to escape high tech Surveillace based police state totalitarianism.


The way I see it you have two options:

1. Move to a nation too poor to maintain the kind of high tech police state that has come to define life in all "first world nations."  This is a good choice for people with significant assets to live off of.


2. Move to mainland Europe.  They have much, much better privacy laws and seem to actually respect their citizen's rights.  And their police are less likely to murder you.  And their leaders can't legally have you assassinated, tortured, or "disappeared."  And their prison populations are relatively small.  And many things illegal in the U.S. are legal or de-criminalized in Europe.


I'm not rich enough to retire so I'm headed to Europe.  I'll take the "soft despotism" of a socialist welfare state over the heavy handed totalitarianism of the brutal fascist American police state.


65 MEGAWATT DEMAND? Holy shit!

mc_LDN's picture

So thats the key. EMP anyone? The Aliens will save us.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

LOL! But don't laugh! The UN has an alien contigency plan, go search: UN to introduce alien life to the world.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Is there a subsection pertaining to Gort?

Yen Cross's picture

 Excellent Point!  I'm long "Santorini" and " Magma" !

  1.   Still short the "Challenger Deep" though.  My Doomsday ARK is parked in a Sperm Whales ass, there.
Money 4 Nothing's picture

They hate us because of our Freedoms?

Must read for NJ residence. Beyond fuking rediculious.



NuYawkFrankie's picture

They hate us because of our Freedom Fries

There you go - fixed it

francis_sawyer's picture

I like mine with salt & vinegar...

sitenine's picture

Goodbye freedom. Goodbye :-(

noob's picture

Goodbye, we never knew ye

francis_sawyer's picture

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road...


"you can't lock me in your penthouse... I'm goin' back to my plough"...


Zero Govt's picture

..wave goodbye to the next 20 years or get off the sofa and stop it.. cut the suckers off by...

Stop Paying Your Taxes

Zero Tax = Zero Govt = Zero Utah Data Centre

HamyWanger's picture

Stop Paying Your Taxes ... and end in prison

Zero Govt's picture

the Prisons are full, where would they put a couple of hundred thousand??

How would they get two hundred thousand taxpayers through court? I'd like to see that farce, the media would have a field day!

Tax Revolts are common as muck if you check the history books

nothing scares these spoilt suckers more than cutting off their baby milk (you're Mum by the way)

if you're scared of the IRS you should be even more determined to revolt because fear of Govt is not democracy, it is tyranny.. which is where we are right now

killing Americans without trial? The US President and his handlers are utterly deranged, much like a tyrant in fact ..'wakey wakey' ..we've just gone way past midnight

(Hitler is at 12.15)

HamyWanger's picture

"the Prisons are full, where would they put a couple of hundred thousand??

How would they get two hundred thousand taxpayers through court? I'd like to see that farce, the media would have a field day!"

Exceptional tribunals and retention/concentration camps were invented precisely to do that. The American Law allows it, and Roosevelt knew it when he ordered the compulsory internment of all Japanese-Americans during WWII.

The avaliable space in prisons has never been an issue in the history of mankind. When a State wants someone "out" it always gets what he wants.

CH1's picture

I'd love to know who pays this asshole.

CompassionateFascist's picture

Nobody in particular. System Mentality is widespread...basically anybody getting a debt-financed ZOGcheck.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

I kind of think that he's just a sarcastic character who got subsumed by his own fictional persona.

francis_sawyer's picture

HAMY... You're funny... I think you're leading MDB by a neck at the moment...

zerozulu's picture

It will be fucken aw awesome when life in FEMA camp will be more liberal than out of the camp. Task at that time will be to keep people out of the FEMA camps.

Yardfarmer's picture

@ HAMY you're already an inhabitant of the most secure and impenetrable prison in the known universe, your own controlled mind.

Lednbrass's picture

You're an inhabitant of his cooler and hit the bait like a bass.

Peter Pan's picture

I think that if you stopped paying taxes they would print more fiat.

Zero Govt's picture

the Fed has no authority (heavies) without Govt

so kill Govt by simply not feeding it tax (Bond market immediately implodes)

Zero Govt = Zero Fed

all monopolies depend on Govt as their portection racket

Govt is the only shithole in the way of a free market and an end to the Feds monopoly on money that's turned America into an economic disaster (ditto Europe, Japan et al)

zerozulu's picture

"Stop paying taxes" never appealed me. I say stop spending money, work hard, live simple life, ride a bike, cook at home, cash your pay check and pay in cash. Monster will starve to death.

SilverDosed's picture

Add "grow your own" and "take some silver out of circulation" to that list.

SpykerSpeed's picture

$2 billion, opening in 2013.


Heh.  I hope they have enough gold to pay for it.  The government is fucked, because the dollar is fucked.

A Lunatic's picture

The dollar is not fucked. Those who use the dollar are fucked. As long as there are legal tender laws, corruptocrats in all forms, and men with dark hearts to protect and defend the system with force, the government will have plenty of monetary resources. Wake the fuck up please.

Zero Govt's picture

the "monetary resources" actually come from the people these tossers are trying to suppress: taxpayers

and the easy solution is ...wait for that 'lightbulb' moment..

Stop Paying the Suckers (Tax)

Zero Tax = Zero Govt

How easy could it be ..we got the power... just too thick to realise we're the entire foundation of their pyramid

A Lunatic's picture

Stop being delusional. Most forms of taxation are about control, not revenue generation. Deficit spending/ponzi fiat is the foundation of their pyramid, not the private sector taxpayer.

Zero Govt's picture

Lunatic - what repayment revenue stream do you think the Bond market is based on?

The ability of Govt to thieve, sorry tax, its citizens into the future.. yes that's all and it's that simple

If citizens stick 2 fingers up to paying tax the Bond market implodes in seconds 'poof' it's gone just like that

Without tax bondholdes have no source of future revenue stream to repay the interest or principle and the Fed is a printer stuck in the middle of nowhere (ie. only good for scrap)

Zero Tax = Zero Govt = Zero Fed

Yen Cross's picture

 A Lunatic , is getting angry!  I like it!

luna_man's picture



"Zero Govt"...Like the idea, but...in order to stop paying taxes, one would need to quit ones job and not show income...Living off the fat of the land, would be a SERIOUS challenge!...Not that it will not happen anyway!



francis_sawyer's picture

Just go Steve Martin on 'em... Teach your children to TALK WRONG...

"May I put my dogface in the banana patch?"

They'll blow a circuit...


CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

You gotta teach 'em to talk wrong right: "May I mambo dogface to the banana patch?"

Yen Cross's picture

 Welcome to the thread!  I like you too much!

francis_sawyer's picture


Maybe we're too deep in2 the thread my friend...

That's some FUNNY SHIT right there! :-)