10 Year Auction Prices At Record Low Yield, As Direct Bidders Plunge

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Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:22 | 1664289 GeneMarchbanks
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Incredible. Fear goes a long way...

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:19 | 1664290 Spitzer
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Climaxing buying ends all bull markets.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:25 | 1664313 Deadpool
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true, but you're implying this is supply/demand driven. Far far from it. This is Fed/Treasury use, re-use, recycle. Can stay irrational longer then short can stay solvent. Ask Billy "Yoga master" Gross.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:34 | 1664351 Ye Ye
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You are not kidding.  The Fed controls these prices, period.  The only thing that would cause yields to go up is excessive inflation.  Many on ZH feel we have that already, but there is not the political heat on it like in the late 70s.  Therefore the party continues.  Short treasuries at your own peril.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:40 | 1664375 Deadpool
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Japan has inflation with low yields...only thing that can lead to higher yields in US is if China sells, but to whom you ask? Our debt; their problem.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:56 | 1664431 Spitzer
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Not when they are hedging their dollar position with trade deficits with other countries. Like Germanya and Japan.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:22 | 1664515 HpDeskjet
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Japan has deflation.... Chinese will not sell for the foreseeable future. Like most investors they dont have a choice but treasuries, no other market is this big and this safe (whatever "safe" means in these days).

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:24 | 1664873 topcallingtroll
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As I have always stated the mercantilists of the world have no choice but to line up, bend over, and take that big fat american cock again and again.

They protest loudly and pretend they dont like it, but they keep coming back!

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:26 | 1664315 Cdad
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I can feel it.  I can feel it.  Dave, stop.  Stop Dave.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:13 | 1664485 HpDeskjet
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The bond bull market will be the last to blow up (if it ever does)... Good luck shorting it, people have been trying this in Japan for 20+ years

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:23 | 1664304 eurusdog
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What is the difference between direct and indirect?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:30 | 1664326 GeneMarchbanks
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Direct buyers go directly to hell, the indirect buyers go by way of proxy.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:38 | 1664369 eurusdog
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So direct would be speculators (Goldman, blackrock etc), and indirect would be central planners?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:56 | 1664410 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Direct bidders buy directly from the Treasurie.  Direct is the Fed.  Indirect buys indirectly, through the Fed.  They are China, et al.  Primary Dealers are Goldman, JPM, et al.

Lately, and this is more than you asked but while we are discussing these mechinisms we might as well discuss this, Primary Dealers flip the bonds back to the Direct source on the bonds dated date.

Here is your fiat ponzi.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:25 | 1664530 eurusdog
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That answered my question 110%. Thanks!

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 19:21 | 1665599 MichaelG
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Direct/primary is massive assholes; indirect is giant fools.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:21 | 1664856 topcallingtroll
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Indirect are all the nations allowed to bid direct, but since in public they scream loudly about how bad the system is and that they dont want anymore dollars or treasurys, they try to hide their addiction by buying indirect.

China, Russia, and a whole bunch of asian countries bid indirect to hide their purchases.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:23 | 1664307 Racer
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Debt, and debt target, who cares... add a few extra trillion and that will do until next week so ChairSatan can keep the S&P from collapsing through key levels

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:23 | 1664308 Cdad
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VIX shanked for a second time.

GOLD...nervously looking over his shoulder.

30 year t bill front running mission...complete.

SAFETY IN NETFLIX!  Quick...everyone put on the same trade!!

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:31 | 1664339 GeneMarchbanks
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Stay away from the light you're much too needed around here.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:41 | 1664364 Cdad
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Nice of you to say, Gene...but to which light do you refer?  Sunlight?  Deadlights?  Footlights?  Mirror ball light?  Green shade banker light?  Jesus light?  Spot light?  Flood lights...do you mean flood lights?


Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:47 | 1664403 GeneMarchbanks
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The living death that is owning or trading NETFLIX. Do not click the "BUY" button whatever you do... the light is blinding...

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:54 | 1664429 Cdad
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Oh...goodness...I must have forgotten to add /sarc to that comment.  I surely hope no one thinks I would rush into Netflix...or anything else which requires constant Cramer pops to survive.

Then again, anyone who has ever read my comments should know that.  Yeeks...hate to think of myself as a criminal banker type, pimping that soon to be failed franchise.  I feel like I need a shower just thinking about it.  

So you meant green banker shade light then.  Understood...and not to worry...

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:31 | 1664334 vote_libertaria...
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Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:37 | 1664367 Chestire
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So repo with Fed is not the purpose - suggestions?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:41 | 1664382 doomandbloom
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Anyone seen Leo? he never liked the word 'plunge'

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:45 | 1664394 monopoly
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I think Leo left us a while back. Have not seen a post for quite some time.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:44 | 1664391 rgd
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Does anyone know if Eric Janzsen (iTullip) restructed his portfolio.  He was long gold and Treasuries, but hinted on getting out of one or both and putting it elsewhere.  Thanks

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:44 | 1664392 monopoly
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Shorting treasuries makes little sense when inmates are in charge. Been thinking about it since TBT was about 40 or so. Have not pulled the trigger yet. :)

Miners getting a little feisty now.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:45 | 1664395 bgilliam83
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Im just an econ 101 student trying to get this straight.  When indirect bidding is most of the action does that mean were back to "snake eating it's own tail", mode?  Or man sucking his own penis?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:02 | 1664736 Chestire
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TreasuryDirect spells:

Entities permitted to submit bids directly include, but are not limited to, primary dealers, other brokers and dealers (non-primary), various types of investment funds (for example, pension, hedge, mutual), insurance companies, depository institutions (banks), foreign and international entities (governmental and private),  the Federal Reserve (System Open Market Account), and individuals. 

So more indirect means more market given_

An "Indirect Bidder" is referred to on the auction results press release as customers placing competitive bids through a direct submitter, including Foreign and International Monetary Authorities placing bids through the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.


S'why there is probably no shortage in repo

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:14 | 1664807 topcallingtroll
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Naah..the indirects are all the nations that profess to hate us or think they are superior to us. They dont like to advertise their addiction to sucking the big fat american cock. So they line up at the glory hole to stay anonymous.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:52 | 1664420 docj
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Meanwhile, Fraud Street levitates on virtually zero volume and, I guess, pure Hopium.

Off to Germany tomorrow. Should in interesting. London was a bore from an "end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" standpoint.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:06 | 1664465 monopoly
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Hey docj, get back to us. Really curious how the good Germans really feel about all the lies.

Correction in miners may be over. Weak holders out...Check, margin calls completed....Check, Consolidation completed.....Check. Possible next leg higher......Check, commodities, oil moving higher on Bernank fondling his beads.....Check.

All is well.....Maybe...Check.

RGLD just a sweetheart.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 13:58 | 1664441 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Have we passed the debt ceiling yet or what?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:18 | 1664499 faustian bargain
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that's what i keep trying to find out. strangely enough, treasurydirect.com doesn't have an update more recent than september 9.

however, johngaltfla's blog says it was raised  by 500b to 15.1trillion. Dunno if that's hearsay, or if Congress did it.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:47 | 1664652 faustian bargain
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ah, ok here it is...the plan that congress passed a month ago included an automatic raise on the 9th...apparently there was a bill on the floor to disapprove of that raise, which was defeated on the 8th. So, last friday the ceiling was raised 500 billion, to 15.1 trillion. Which apparently is 101% of US GDP.


Tue, 09/13/2011 - 19:00 | 1665565 Hephasteus
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When you reach a point where you delay the recognition of delayed debt. It's hard to keep up.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 23:17 | 1666242 IQ 145
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"God help us all, Tiny Tim".

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:01 | 1664449 gball
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hmm...gold increases about $15 after the auction closes.  and s&p too about 6 points.


strange world.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:05 | 1664747 Chestire
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Replacing Euro collateral?

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 23:20 | 1666247 IQ 145
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I used to put my eye right up to the glass of a big aquarium and try to imagine what everything looked like to the fish swimming around in there; "i thought, what  strange world it must be". Now, we know. It's strange alright.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:02 | 1664453 firstdivision
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10Y yield has been on a tear today though.  Back into the 2% range, along with oil breaking $90.  Something big is brewing, or the market is just having a seizure.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 14:03 | 1664458 PaperBugsBurn
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Hey, the zionist drug traffickers and joooden fetzen pushers are getting their butts kicked in the Middle East!!!


Die, zionist scum!!!!

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 16:32 | 1665164 theotheri
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Tue, 09/13/2011 - 16:46 | 1665205 ItsEvolutionBaby
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Hate speech is free speech.

Go fuck yourself. Move to Europe. 

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 18:59 | 1665557 Hephasteus
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You hate people who want to criticize you. So you are using hate speech with your banning and disgusting and calling tyler pathetic. And don't bother responding to this post. I'll simply shout you down for being anti-hephasteus.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1666256 IQ 145
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ANTI-SEMETIC ?  PATEHTIC ?  English is not your first language? You don't have a first language? As the Hawaiians say, "try think, you no go broke the head, bra".

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 15:01 | 1664731 topcallingtroll
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I live in a recourse state so I might as well refinance my house so I can pay less rent to the bank.

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 20:22 | 1665675 theotheri
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