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Iran Accuses German Siemens Of Sabotaging Its Nuclear Plant As Turkey Sends Heavy Weapons To Syria Border

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It seems you can't turn your back on the Middle East for more than a few minutes without something going bump in the desert. Sure enough, a few shorts hours after we reported that the leader of Iran's Revolutionary Guards is certain war with Israel is coming, here comes Iran again with the stunning admission that none other than German industrial conglomerate, and occasional maker of nuclear power plants, Siemens was reponsible for "implanting tiny explosives inside equipment the Islamic Republic purchased for its disputed nuclear program. Prominent lawmaker Alaeddin Boroujerdi said Iranian security experts discovered the explosives and removed them before detonation, adding that authorities believe the booby-trapped equipment was sold to derail uranium enrichment efforts. "The equipment was supposed to explode after being put to work, in order to dismantle all our systems," he said. "But the wisdom of our experts thwarted the enemy conspiracy." Expert wisdom aside, what is stunning is not the ongoing attempts by everyone and the kitchen sink to terminally corrupt the Iranian nuclear power plant: after Stuxnet one would expect nothing less than every form of conventional and "new normal" espionage thrown into the pot to cripple the only peaceful argument Iran would have for demanding nuclear power, which by implication would mean that all ongoing nuclear pursuits are geared solely toward aggressive, military goals, of the type that demand immediate military retaliation by the democratic superpowers. No, what is stunning is the implicit admission that Germany's, and Europe's, largest electrical engineering company, has been not only quietly transacting with none other than world peace (as portrayed by the MSM) enemy #1, Iran, but instrumental in its nuclear program.

Obviously it took a Stuxnet second before Siemens denied everything and then some. Via Reuters:

Siemens denied the charge and said its nuclear division has had no business with Iran since the 1979 revolution that led to its current clerical state.


"Siemens rejects the allegations and stresses that we have no business ties to the Iranian nuclear program," spokesman for the Munich-based company Alexander Machowetz said.

Oh well, Iran must have bought all those Siemens nuclear centrifuges, concrete dome and steam plant in near perfect condition on eBay from anonymous sellers (who accept PayPal and even credit cardsas long as the purchase does not have an Indonesian shipping address).

Iran, however, isn't afraid of trowing Siemens into even deeper water, alleging not only breach of international embargos, but also masterful sabotaging of ones own product:

Boroujerdi, who heads the parliamentary security committee, alleged that the explosives were implanted at a Siemens factory and demanded the company take responsibility.

There is of course another possibility: that the shipping address of the mysterious and anonymous ebay seller was somewhere in Langley, VA:

Some Iranian officials have also suggested in the past that specific European companies may have sold faulty equipment to Iran with the knowledge of American intelligence agencies and their own governments, since the sales would have harmed, rather than helped, the country's nuclear program.


According to Iran, the alleged campaign has included the abduction of scientists, the sale of faulty equipment and the planting of a destructive computer worm known as Stuxnet, which briefly brought Iran's uranium enrichment activity to a halt in 2010.

Certifying that there is undoubtedly a Jason Bourne episode in the works over this entire incident is the following:

Abbasi also told the U.N. nuclear agency in Vienna that "terrorists and saboteurs" might have infiltrated the International Atomic Energy Agency, after the watchdog's inspectors arrived at the Fordo underground enrichment facility shortly after power lines were blown up through sabotage on Aug. 17.


Iran has repeatedly accused the IAEA of sending spies in the guise of inspectors to collect information about its nuclear activities, pointing to alleged leaks of information by inspectors to U.S. and other officials.


Five nuclear scientists and researchers have been killed in Iran since 2010. Tehran blames the deaths on Israel's Mossad spy agency as well as the CIA and Britain's MI-6. Washington and London have denied any roles. Israel has not commented.


Boroujerdi said the alleged leaks of nuclear information to its adversaries by the IAEA may finally push Tehran to end all cooperation with the agency.


"Iran has the right to cut its cooperation with the IAEA should such violations continue," he said.

If anyone follows the game theory in this one, and has any idea who has not defected, or where the Nash equilibrium is at this point, please speak up. The rest of us just want the popcorn.

And in far simpler plotlines, Reuters reports that Syria (which for those who have a 15 minutes attention span, was accused three months ago by everyone, and certainly Hillary Clinton, of offensively taking down a Turkish plane before it turned out to be a self-defensive move, at which point the entire false flag story promptly disappeared as it could no longer be pre-spun) is once again being provoked by NATO-member Turkey, which is now deploying heavy armored vehicles and weapons to the border with Syria. The spin this time around:

The deployment is reportedly in an area where earlier this week Turkish civilians were wounded when stray bullets and shelling crossed the border from the Syrian province of al-Raqqa.


CNN Turk television said artillery fire had landed close to the Turkish border overnight, causing panic among local residents.


The Turkish army moved three Howitzers and one anti-aircraft weapon to the border, the channel said.


Turkey, a member of NATO, has conducted a number of troop deployments in recent months along its 911-km (566-mile) border with Syria, where rebels are fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad.

And on, and on, until the interminable foreplay finally ends, whenever one of the abovementioned democracies decides the quiet period is over, and the time for real GDP building (if only in a hard core Keynesian-cum-Krugman sense) once the ability to generate even one additional dollar in debt is no longer available, is upon us.


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Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:51 | 2821277 Precious
Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:59 | 2821371 JohnKozac
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How dare the Germans In-siemen-ate the Iranians !

Very perverted stuff going on over there.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:03 | 2821379 hedgeless_horseman
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If only the Germans had put tiny explosives in Bernanke's new Heidelberg Mainstream 80 printing presses.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:55 | 2821454 old naughty
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Wow, their intel is really that slow (they only know now that Siemens was involved)?

So Turkey amass along Syria border?

This chess game may become watchable.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 01:49 | 2821508 markmotive
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Want to see how this could all end? Fucking brutally for all involved.

Learn what war really looks like (by the way, America's fuckups in Iraq and Afghanastan were nothing compared to real multi-front, ideological slaughters). We need to find a diplomatic way out of this.

Listen to the best podcast series on the Eastern Front. "Ghosts of the Ostfront"

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 02:16 | 2821530 francis_sawyer
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Obama is brushing up on his strategy as we speak...


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 04:23 | 2821607 Dr Benway
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Tiny explosions

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 07:23 | 2821708 negative rates
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Folks, this is pure zero hedge propaganda. The Iranians about 9-12 months ago had an underground nuclear accident attributed to nothing but their own mistakes. They simply bull dozed dirt over the facility to contain the damage and seal the dead carcasses. The west then contrived all kinds of propaganda, from not allowing us in, (who really wants to go in a contaninate zone) to they STILL want to eliminate Isreal with bombs. DON'T FALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM GVT, THEY CAN AND WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING.) 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:29 | 2821748 GetZeeGold
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Folks, this is pure zero hedge propaganda.


It was either that or check out Debka.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:27 | 2821749 trebuchet
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Its the iranians in Syria - and Saudi/GCC response to watch on this one


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:20 | 2821794 negative rates
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So, we have negative thinkers who are living in the river of denile ea, sign the petition, bring out your dead. Tick tock, watch the timeclock go out the window.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:37 | 2821806 GetZeeGold
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What are you standing around for?


If you're so smart...fix have our permission!


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:46 | 2821817 centerline
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I thought we were supposed to bomb brown people.  So confused.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:49 | 2821820 GetZeeGold
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We've expanded our theater of operations.


Please send us your address....we'll get back to you.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:53 | 2821824 DaveyJones
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no silly, not dark people, people with dark liquids

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:13 | 2821842 john39
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and only those who refuse to bow to the zionist overlords... or who otherwise become disposable to their zionist overlords...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:45 | 2821879 FranSix
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Ok, so how about this.  Iran screwed up their enrichment process all on their own.  And then they blamed somebody else for the offense to Islam.  Sounds very Islamic.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:46 | 2822004 Meremortal
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Perhaps Iran screwed things up themselves and perhaps someone else screwed up their nuke program. The important thing is that the nuke program got damaged.


Tell me again why a country awash in oil is so desperate for nuclear power, a power which most countries are running away from. Shouldn't Iran Iran be most interested in building oil refineries on their own soil, so they don't have to import gasoline?


Logic, how does it work? 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 23:11 | 2823352 RichardP
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Western logic is different from Persian logic.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 08:23 | 2823777 Ar-Pharazôn
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i find very logic having nuclear weapons if your neighbours is Israel.

but for you all perhaps even this is illogic

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:31 | 2822112 Randall Cabot
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Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:24 | 2821796 Colonel Klink
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So is that foreign policy by numbers?  Primarily 1-18?  At the bottom of each hole on the green is a policy suggestion?

Maybe he'll find Nicole Brown-Simpson's murderer.  If Oblamo had an older brother, he may look like OJ.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:05 | 2821666 Monedas
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When two Socialist dinosaurs are locked in a death grip .... make sure they're comfortable !

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:29 | 2821750 GetZeeGold
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Would you like a pillow? Only costs 5 bucks.



Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:51 | 2821891 NidStyles
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Look the bastards are starting to copy what I was saying 10 years ago.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:04 | 2821911 chunga
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Thanks for posting that link.

I put it on pause and my wife said "hey put that back on".


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:27 | 2821423 A Nanny Moose
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Why are Palestinians paying for the sins of Germany again?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 02:39 | 2821546 Haus-Targaryen
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Why are Germans paying for the sins of the great grandparents again . . . ?  

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 03:30 | 2821586 Bringin It
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What was the real sin of the common German?

When they still had the opportunity to resist the police state, they did not. Then it became too late.

Sound familiar? To any of my fellow Americans?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:21 | 2821743 dobermangang
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We don't have any brown shirt policeman, knocking on doors at midnight, taking into custody an innocent man that utilized his free speech rights just because our leaders were embarrassed by their own incompetence and needed a scapegoat.  Not here in Amerika.

Oops!  Never mind.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:30 | 2821753 GetZeeGold
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Not a problem.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:47 | 2821767 saints51
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I have seen UPS working late.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:57 | 2821829 DaveyJones
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yes I once saw many strange trucks working late in front of two tall buildings 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 05:24 | 2823633 GaryNeville
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The ones full of Israelis with camera's?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:37 | 2822129 Randall Cabot
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brown brown shirt policemen

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:00 | 2821780 bigkahuna
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Yeah, we're going to get what we deserve because in the aggregate, we seek instant gratification above all else AND we hate learning, particularly learning HISTORY.

Can we blame this on our government? One thing is for sure, wether or not we want to--we are going to own it.

Very frustrating, prepare accordingly.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:48 | 2821819 centerline
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There going to be plenty of blame to go around.  That is also the smoke screen for the real predators though.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 06:03 | 2823652 eurogold
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Actually WW1 was the cause for the rise of Hitler and ultimately WW2. As long as every American can buy his / her six-pack, watch TV and drive a car.....there's nothing to worry about.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 06:13 | 2823654 eurogold
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Actually WW1 was the cause for the rise of Hitler and ultimately WW2. As long as every American can buy his / her six-pack, watch TV and drive a car.....there's nothing to worry about.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 08:24 | 2823781 Ar-Pharazôn
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shut up idiot.


what are you doing now? fighting against the bad? dont make me laugh and go drink your milk kid

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:33 | 2821755 AnAnonymous
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Why are Germans paying for the sins of the great grandparents again . . . ?

Why are Germans enjoying the work of the great grand parents again...?

Oh, wait, it is just the 'american' work to hold account books. You mark on revenues and you do not track expenditures.

Works anytime to give out profits.

The beauty of 'american' economics...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:57 | 2821778 GetZeeGold
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Dude...don't care. I'm from Greece.......PAY ME!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:37 | 2821807 Q.E.easy
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Your latest bailout is in the mail. Please allow 3-7 weeks for delivery.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:39 | 2821809 GetZeeGold
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3-7 weeks.....what the hell kind of service is that?


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:56 | 2821901 NidStyles
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That's the service you paid for.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:26 | 2821798 Colonel Klink
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Why are the German's being fucked by the zionist bankers once again?  Oops, sorry did I type that out loud?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:35 | 2821805 yochananmichael
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you are aware that all the Nazis on Hogans Heroes were portrayed by Jews

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:18 | 2821849 john39
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all the bolshevik parts were played by Jews as well duing the soviet years... including lenin and trotsky...    they made sure to outlaw that damned "fabricated"  'protocols of the learned elders of zion"...   because nothing in that silly book actually happened in the real world...  oh wait...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:10 | 2822250 Colonel Klink
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No I wasn't aware of that, but it's ok by me.  I don't hate all jews.  As I stated before, only the ones fucking me or who look down on me as goyim fodder.

The rest are ok in my book if they're decent and fair in their dealings.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:14 | 2821278 Yen Cross
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It's about time! Syria knows Turkey is a NATO country,and has been (incursing) regularly!

                                                                                              . \probing/

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:57 | 2821359 putaipan
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recursive vulgarity? much?

you know , as an economic escatologist, i really like pastor arnold murray- despite his britissh secret underwear, and sheik hussein- despite his n.y./u.n.  desertian of even mild sufism, but this` buttfoonery has got to stop!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 04:52 | 2821625 Yen Cross
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Glad I was able to create a new " vocabulary" for ya!   " Meat ball"

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:17 | 2821672 Monedas
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If Hillary is for the Syrian rebels .... I'm for Assad .... she was wrong about Libya and Eqypt and pretty much everything !  I am impatient for the economic reset .... but I would love to see the Syrian civil war fester forever .... it makes a nice buffer for Israel's northern border .... l'chaim (sp?) !

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:34 | 2821756 cossack55
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Hillary is just working with the ICG, Brookings and the 3 (kill all foreigners)Stooges, McCain, Liebermann and Graham. Keep that CFR/IMF wheel turnin'.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:49 | 2821768 GetZeeGold
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Hillary is just working with the ICG, Brookings and the 3 (kill all foreigners)Stooges


Party this weekend....BYOB - Bill Clinton


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:14 | 2821788 Ayn NY
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Since this is a Clinton invite, does BYOB mean bring your own boobs?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:43 | 2821813 GetZeeGold
GetZeeGold's picture means bring bitchez. They come with boobs.


Don't worry about beer.....Bill's got that covered.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:23 | 2821851 Ayn NY
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How fun would it be if everyone brought a bus load of post menopausal lesbian feminists to his hoe down?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:55 | 2822031 Meremortal
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The Obama administration consistently takes the side of Shia against Sunni.

That's because Obama is Shia. That's why he won't lay a hand on Assad, Hezbollah or Iran, but he will kill using drones, Special Forces, bombers or troops when it comes to Sunnis like Gaddafi, the Taliban and Bin Laden.

Ignore words, watch actions. When actions disagree with words, it is the actions that tell the real story, d'oh.



Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:02 | 2821782 mayavision2012
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"I know you're workin for the CIA...they wouldn't have you in the MaF-I-A..." - War

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:03 | 2821282 vast-dom
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see the Iranians really are Keynesians, as are the Turks and the Syrians and well, even the Aliens! Krugman is a fucking genius -- give that man another nobel!

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:04 | 2821283 bob_dabolina
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Why is Iran so aggressively pursuing a technology that was designed by Jewish people?'s rhetorical

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:33 | 2821299 Yen Cross
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 Hey Bob, I like you, and your posts.  You do home-work, and I respect that!

  Who in the hell did you piss off Bob?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 03:44 | 2821590 Bringin It
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Bobby D got caught with his pants down trying to pass off a play trade account as his real trades. ie. set up a bunch of play trade accounts. make a bunch of fake trades. when the dust settles, pick the winning-est set, link to a screen capture showing what a genius you are in a ZH post. Somebody spotted the fake. Something like the screen capture had widgets that only appear in the play accounts, like RESET.

I like his posts too, so it's not me junking him.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:36 | 2821324 neptunium
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Quite right, though I doubt the Ayatollah and his cabal would mind the sorts of minds that Israel has boasted over the years

There's very little doubt that Iran has viable warhead designs imported from Pakistan and possibly North Korea (although the former is more likely as it has already deployed fission warheads rather than just detonation testbeds as with NK) given that U enrichment beyond 20% has been detected (which could hardly be accidental) it's pretty likely this is their goal, as to how far they have yet to go to have a viable quantity of HEU who knows. 

Israel on the other hand almost certainly has thermonuclear warhead designs and possibly even deployed warheads, after all, Edward Teller, the "father of the H-bomb" spent 20 years advising the Israelis.. 

In technological terms Iran and Israel are on about the same levels that you would expect if you based that judgement on their respective political systems. 




Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:03 | 2821380 neptunium
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Junk all you want, it's the truth, Israel punches so far above its weight in terms of technology that it completely outshines over a billion of its neighbours... 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:09 | 2821393 otto skorzeny
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no Uncle Sam and his "foreign aid" and all the tech the yids have stolen from US- Israel is a shit-stain of history. don't kid yourself.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:33 | 2822459 goldfish1
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Thought I'd interject here that pro-zionist SFGate is beating the war with Iran drums.

Heavily stacked with users who have been carefully groomed to represent the chosen opinion.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:53 | 2822497 SeattleBruce
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"and all the tech the yids have stolen"

Don't kid yourself: which country/people group doesn't steal, or at least borrow tech?  The Chinese invented gunpowder - so who are all the European pretenders to that throne?  As to the borrow tech part, isn't that what a free market is all about?  And then to follow - what's wrong with that part?  So where does that leave us, or you (whoever you are), with your critique?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:53 | 2821449 JOYFUL
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ummm, yu too kould punch far above yur weight'\íf yur gloves were loaded wit stolen{USA taxpayer}gold bars n a kouple o trillion or so of extorted fiat notes!~...

however, I fear that some fearsome opponent has in yur kase 'beat yu to the punch,' n pummeled yur above the neckline posterior early in yur boxing kareer - leading to yur present state of advanced asininity!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 01:04 | 2821466 Unprepared
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Technology without leverage is useless. Hence the banking cartel.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 02:19 | 2821531 Whalley World
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my prof in school was from Iran, the guy was brilliant.  My dentist, same, and smart as hell.  The children of Abraham don't have all the brains.  plus, why underestimate  your enemy


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 02:52 | 2821554 DebaL
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Iranian's are smart as any other people.

However, oppressive regimes tend to repress the resourcefulness of the repressed citizenry.


That's why the USSR lost to the USA.


That being said, it would be a horrible mistake to underestimate the Iranian state.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:03 | 2821632 neptunium
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Quite right, I ignored the first few responses as they were written by people who had been lobotomised/subscribe to the "it's the joooooz" school of thinking. 


No one has a monopoly on brain power - however, with the right conditions the sky is the limit - for the lobotomites above, you might want to think about some of the technologies that Jews developed for the US, it goes WAY BEYOND MONEY as you would observe if you pondered, for even a nanosecond, why Saudi's vast oil wealth isn't accompanied by a similarly endowed tech base.

I too have known some brilliant iranians, no one has a monopoly on grey matter, what I am saying is that CULTURALLY the current status-quo in Iran is not conducive to innovation - which is sad given that Persia was once the bright star in the region. 


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:17 | 2821792 bigkahuna
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People tend to confuse Jews with "Zionists". The vast majority of Jews are not Zionists, and they do not ascribe to the protocols thereof. The MSM throws the term Zionist around as if it means nothing. Zionism is actually very serious and must be contained or destroyed. Zionism is not a reflection of the attitudes and beliefs of the vast majority of Jews. 

Bottom line: We need not confuse Zionists with regular Jewish people.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:31 | 2821803 Colonel Klink
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Kinda makes one wonder what they're teachings are though....

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:56 | 2821828 centerline
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I am not jewish.  Not even religious.  But, I have seen this before.  It comes from some sort of "secret document" that was supposedly leaked a long time ago (New World Order knows the name).  Coud be real.  Could be a rouse.  But it is scary how it has played out over the last few decades... almost on script.

Anyhow, I would caution that many people who simply "hate" could so easily make it seem like this is regular Sunday School teaching for the jewish community.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2821962 Totentänzerlied
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The Abrahamic faiths have each single-handedly and collectively proven that human credulity is absolutely infinite. Watching these zealous fools fight amongst themselves would be pure comedy if not for the fact that they've been poisoning, brainwashing, damning, and killing 1/2 the fucking world for 3000, 2000, and 1500 years, respectively.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:06 | 2822527 SeattleBruce
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What is your 'faith'?  And if you're a secular, non-religious person, then your tradition - atheism - has done a more efficient job of killing and maiming people in the 20th century, and before and after, than any of the religions listed - by the 10s of millions in Russia, China and Cambodia, et al.  And I'm sure you understand the difference between co-opting a religious veneer by greedy, murderous thugs and perverts and true faith, right?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:53 | 2821896 Fractal Parasite
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That's why there is a movement called "Jews against Zionism".

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:12 | 2822257 Colonel Klink
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I hope they win and reclaim the their faith from the radicals.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:38 | 2822586 JR
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This “tiny” percentage of Jews that are Zionists drives the Likud Party, the foreign policy of the Israeli State, the chief lobbying efforts on behalf of Israel in the United States, the 80 percent membership of the ACLU that has used the U.S. Supreme Court to strike Christianity from the U.S. government, the most aggressive part of the pro-Israel mainstream media, the push for the geographical expansion of the State of Israel through its settlement programs in the ME, the anti-Muslim propaganda in the U.S., the continued occupation and oppression of the Palestinians, the push for a pre-emptive strike on Iran, and was the force that drove the push for the war in Iraq...

And, the bottom line, it is the primary force controlling the pro-Israel policies and operation of the U.S. presidency, the Congress and its regulation of Wall Street/foreign and domestic policy and the Federal Reserve and its control of the U.S. money supply.

To top it off, those “vast” numbers of Jews who are not Zionists vote with the Zionists and do very little to oppose their radical philosophy.

Thank goodness! there are no more of them.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:47 | 2823124 Cathartes Aura
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and then, there are the home grown Christian Zionists who vote with the Christians in amrka, all of whom "do very little to oppose" ALL "their radical philosophy". . .



Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:00 | 2822513 SeattleBruce
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@Whalley World: "The children of Abraham don't have all the brains."


According to many traditions, Abraham and Hagar, and their son Ishmael, were the ancestors to the Arabs.  So related to this current discussion, about Iranians and Israelis, perhaps the children of Abraham DO have all the brains...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 03:46 | 2821591 HyperinflatmyNutts
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With out the Billions we the American tax payers give them every year where would they be? The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000. When did the USA start allowing Israel to dictate OUR foreign policy????

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:53 | 2823135 Cathartes Aura
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All yr foreign policy are belong to us!

make your time!

(signed, trans-nationstate banking mafia)

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:32 | 2821645 Element
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I don't think it's the political system that necessarily does that at all.  Strategic threat seems to be a far greater motivator.  Countries that spend a lot of time under intense strategic threat greatly accelerate their technical innovation capacity and potential.  Israel has been importing advanced technology since before 1948, especially it's French reactor.  But it still took a long time before it started making desirable export upgrade products for hardware like Kfirs.

But a similar thing happened to Iran. Prior to the Shah being overthrown they were already the recipient of the F-4, F-14 and associated advanced weapons and technical transfers and were in line to receive the US's then most advanced Spruance Class guided-missile destroyers.  So they were no strangers to operating the most advanced systems available.  The thing that changed was the sustained strategic threat of the Iran-Iraq war, immediately followed by desert storm, no fly zone, regular confrontations in the gulf, then Iraq invasion, etc.  It has been 30 years of almost continuous credible strategic threat.

The Iranian technical advances and production of numerous new advanced defence systems during the past ten years has been spectacular.  They're far from done, new systems, platforms and weapons are coming into service in Iran at an impressive rate. Fairly soon they'll have satellites, especially now that they've just announced combining research and technology transfer with North Korea.  A lot of people discount how effective their weapons could be but that would be a mistake, there are several instances of their use and numerous successful tests.

I'm sure US Navy commanders are acutely aware of how dangerous it's become to operate near Iran.  They Iranians a massive home-turf and logistics advantage and the recent surge in new Iranian capability is far from over, it's accelerating, with a lot more advanced systems in the pipeline.

Another unrecognised advantage of countries like Iran and the DPRK is that by nature they're less distracted by counter-productive pop-cultures and gadget-ism (sanctions only assist with this BTW).  Thus they have the personal and professional focus to really think stuff through properly and fully, so can develop themselves and make rapid progress with sound ideas, designs and put it into production fast.  When smart people don't have distractions they will tend to think complex things through very carefully, and very thoroughly.  The effect of that with a high level of strategic threat is going to lead to rapid technical developments.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:38 | 2821808 neptunium
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I'm sorry, I respect your arguments but respectfully what you need to understand is how TOT (Transfer of technology works). 


Without synergy with the main markets for defense even a country as large, and with as big a technology base as China struggles to stay current and instead relies on mass-espionage and open theft from Russia to bolster its obsolescent systems. 

When you talk about Iran, virtually every system they have that is even worth considering is a Russian import, and virtually every russian import has alredy been countered - no double digit SAMS, no air power worth speaking of, an IADS that is basically 2-3 decades old - they have various russian ASHM's but the launchers will still be vulnerable and they've got very little in the way of resilient targeting capability once their C4I Networks are blown open. 

I am not underestimating Iran, I am being quite realistic - there is a gulf, and a large one, between the oversold Russian tech that every second rate dictator (remember Saddam/Milosevic?) believes will present western air-power with a credible deterent - time and again the reality of stationary ground-based defenses and radar networks being vulnerable is shown - without an air force you are toast and once you lose control of the skies you can't continue to wage war.

What you might be able to say about Iran is that it has developed an impressive assymmetric warfare capability, that despite being isolated they have managed to retain at least some credibility, what you can't say is that they have any super-duper secret weapons that will act as game-changers - they simply don't have the technology base to develop these in isolation and military systems are without much exception the most complex engineering challenges that exist - to develop systems that are on parity with the west one needs the equivalent technology base in microprocessing/materials handling/engine technology/RADAR systems/guidance systems/resilient circuitry/EM warfare/supercomputing/CAD - CAM pipelines/ and all the other requisite specialist metal and composites fabrication and forming tech. 

These require a large industrial base to draw from, if you don't have one you can't do it. If your country happens to be run and managed on a day to day basis by Islamic clerics then you've also pushed most of those skilled engineers out of the country. 




Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2821897 New England Patriot
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While Iran is outclassed in terms of a conventional war with Israel/US, there are a few aspects of the conflict that present serious risks to Western aggression:


Naval losses - Mines, submarines, and anti-ship missiles represent a potentially devastating risk to NATO materiel. The loss of a nuclear carrier, amphibious warfare ship, or major oil transport (or a combination/multiple of these) could yield a serious PR or military blow to the operation. The Iranian Navy is outgunned, but a fortunate strike at any point in the conflict could yield a disproportionate victory in terms of blood, investment, and perception.


Strategic partners in theater - With Syria, Lebanon and pro-Palestinian forces in Gaza ready to make hay in the event of a conflict, Israeli and NATO logistics and populations are vulnerable far afield of the actual front. Unconventional forces in these areas could make life very difficult in much of the Middle East, which OBTW, the United States is already tenuously attempting to pacify by military/intelligence means.


Lack of Western end-game - What is the point of an Israeli/US attack? To end the nuclear program and return home? To topple the Iranian regime and install a friendly government? As the U.S. has demonstrated on more than one occasion, the conventional military mission segues into a prolonged (10 year +) pacification. The U.S. economy and polity has no appetite for this, which means the longer any resistance takes place, the more NATO loses. 


The bottom-line is that Iran is a more prickly military mission than Iraq or Afghanistan (and that is saying something), but strategically the U.S. is in no position to nation build the Persian state.


Two thumbs way down. Get our asses back stateside, and if the Ayatollah nukes Israel, we respond in kind. It's the way it has to be... the alternative is taking over the world.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2821963 neptunium
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Negative, Iran builds a bomb and Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt follow suit - I'm not in favour of any action until such time as a "breakout maneuver" as they call it occurs but a middle-east with nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable regimes is a tinder box with a dramatically increased risk of an exchange and very obvious potential for wider escalation. 

Pakistan is a case in point, it presents a greater level of risk than Iran and North Korea and the entire rest of the mid-east put together, if that state collapses (as it well-might) there's every possibility that materiel or even intact warheads could get to the wrong hands - that's the nightmare the US faces, they can't engage and they can't disengage, they are instead forced to support (through Aid) the least-worst option while accepting ISI et al are actually principal benefactors of the Insurgency in Afghanistan.  

People here tend to regard everything as a conspiracy, and the US/West as the perpetual evil, that's their perogative, generally living in sustained peacetime (domestically) tends to blind people to the possible alternatives, to take it to extremes, a world where every nation, theocratic or otherwise, stable or not is able to wage nuclear war is one I would definitely prefer to avoid.

If Israel strikes it's actually Irans problem for the following reason: If they escalate the situation by attacking Hormuz they present an existential threat to the US economy and therefore they place themselves in a position where regime change (from their POV) becomes likely, if the US or any of its assets are attacked there will be escalation - by the same logic, if Israel strikes independently of the US then it's a very risky prospect for the Revolutionary Guards to escalate matters to engage the US directly, doing so is fatal and I'm quite sure the vast Clerical base in Iran (living very comfortably I might add) is probably more averse to all-out-war than their coarse statements suggest. 

The US doesn't have to take over the world to prevent Iran getting the bomb, and the real advantage in this situation is that for once (and probably the first time ever) the entire Sunni region and all of its governments are tacitly in favour of a strike - they don't want to live with a nuclear Iran any more than Israel.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 16:37 | 2822671 New England Patriot
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I guess this is where I say, 'That's not what I would do.' 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 23:03 | 2823328 palmereldritch
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  is that for once (and probably the first time ever) the entire Sunni region and all of its governments are tacitly in favour of a strike - they don't want to live with a nuclear Iran any more than Israel.

But your argument implicitly suggests that they do want  to live with a nuclear Iran less than a sole nuclear ME power (i.e. a nuclear Israel), hence your initial premise that: the entire Sunni region and all of its governments are tacitly in favour of a strike.

So to recap your argument (without the contradiction and misdirection): The Islamic Sunni population prefers a uni-polar nuclear ME dominated by the theocratic state of Israel over a potential multi-polar nuclear ME where an Islamic, albeit non-Sunni state, is an emerging power?....because why?   ? The Shiite's in Iran will threaten the Sunni's before they threaten Israel? 

Well, thank God Israel is there to protect the Sunni population from such a they have for all these years...

Your prop is wak Jak

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:02 | 2823429 RichardP
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But your argument implicitly suggests that they do want  to live with a nuclear Iran ...

But their words say that they don't want to live with a nuclear Iran.  That trumps your dissection of neptunium's comments.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:28 | 2823451 palmereldritch
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But your argument implicitly suggests that they do want  to live with a nuclear Iran [less than a sole nuclear ME power (i.e. a nuclear Israel)]

You left out the [qualifier]. The above is my complete statement and the crux of my argument.

Your disingenuous editing shows your true colours.

Lemme speak not only for the entire ME but also for me.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 01:41 | 2823498 RichardP
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If you are saying that the Sunnies would prefer to live with a nuclear-armed Israel rather than a nuclear-armed Israel and a nuclear-armed Iran - then I did misunderstand your post.  If that is the case, my editing was uninformed, not disingenuous.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 05:29 | 2823636 Element
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"If Israel strikes it's actually Irans problem for the following reason: If they escalate the situation by attacking Hormuz they present an existential threat to the US economy ..."


These are all arguable but reasonable points.  I have made various points, many times, that militate against things going well, or remotely acceptably for the US/NATO and Israel.  I have always said Iran would get smashed in any real toe-to-toe battle.  But it won't make any difference, Iran will not be invaded, and they will get the bomb, if they don't already effectively have it.

But I also think the damage Iran can do is quite devastating and would give the West the sort of mauling that it won't forget, nor want to risk re-experience, for say 20 or 30 years.

But I would add that the greatest "existential threat to the US economy", of all strategic threat types, is Washington itself.

I don't think the Threat from Iran is anything like as severe or as uncompromising a grand-terrorist arch-villain to the United State's economic and strategic security.

We shall soon see which is worse.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 01:21 | 2821481 Yen Cross
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Nedptunium? WTF/   Short risk-Sunday you whacko nut job! -5

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:33 | 2821804 Colonel Klink
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And here I didn't think they could lift a finger on the sabbath, type a keyboard, touch the oven.  Maybe all their electronic devices have a sabbath setting.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:08 | 2823157 Cathartes Aura
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"sabbath" settings are different for the Jewish faithful - Friday eve through Saturday eve is traditional, open for business on Sunday. . .

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 23:39 | 2823393 Colonel Klink
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Yup, but I didn't know hedge funds and banks were open on Sunday!?!?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:09 | 2823435 Cathartes Aura
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erm, yes - obviously I know nussing!!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:00 | 2821630 Yen Cross
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Come on Fellas? Bob has good "Vernacuar". All you "Girls" , just read into the " assisted living" theory!

  You are all a bunch of "Limp Dicks"!


     Ok! Time to " Get er done"!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:09 | 2821668 lakecity55
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I would suspect the Iranians alraedy have nukes from the Norks, Pak or Russian Mafia.

They may onl lack the technical ability to mount them to a delivery vehicle, which may already be resolved.

If they are attacked, there may well be a suprise in store for the attackers.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:05 | 2823430 RichardP
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I would count on it.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:19 | 2821677 Monedas
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery !

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:06 | 2821289 Sofa King
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Let's not forget those Siemens Sinatic PLC's tue into a Windows front-end. Anybody check and see if Microsoft is being paid licensing fees. These cocksuckers are our modern day IBM
and Standard Oil.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:52 | 2821356 otto skorzeny
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GE is the biggest whore out there as far as selling everything to everybody-friend or foe.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:07 | 2821387 hedgeless_horseman
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...after Tim Geithner, of course.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 02:58 | 2821562 knukles
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Imagining a Unified New World Turbo-Tax

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:10 | 2821292 mademesmile
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Everyone knows IKEA furniture is embedded with self-destruct obsolesce, bet they sold it.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:26 | 2821316 palmereldritch
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Not even a nuclear physicist could put one of those things together

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:40 | 2821333 mademesmile
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My husband had to go hunting and kill something after a few hours of trying to assemble a toggle bolt crappy cardboard storage thing. He's a carpenter by trade, so I got custom built ins instead! One of the few times where failure = success.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:46 | 2821340 palmereldritch
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IKEA (from an instructions perspective!) is a Swedish word meaning twisted sense of humour

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 03:02 | 2821566 knukles
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I love the "instruction manuals" from Asia that are in "cartoon" where not a single piece in the box looks vaguely like anything in the drawings.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 04:14 | 2821598 akak
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Myself, I really enjoy the ones that are written in mangled Oriental Engrish: "Forward do placing screws in upward firmly, is have tight on twisting motion likewise sides to bottom bolting with which attached, hold nuts and screw goodly.  Then you overturn and repeat, eight on other side is take less big turning out with six small of them (see diagram)."

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:03 | 2821631 Yen Cross
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AKAK and Knuckles in one screen shot?  Amazing!   IQ 300

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:36 | 2821685 Monedas
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I assembled a pressboard, computer desk MIC (made in China) ! I only had to redo one of the cubby hole assemblies, left to right ! I knew that reaffirmed my place in the upper 1%tile of the intelligentsia ! I bragged to a friend .... there isn't a single negro on the planet who could do what I just did !  I wasn't being my usual hateful self .... I was just wallowing in sincere rational exuberance ! You have to get inside their little oriental minds .... they don't use their first tier engineers to write those instructions !

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 08:30 | 2821752 zerozulu
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They use google translation.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:47 | 2822934 akak
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 01:01 | 2823470 geekgrrl
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OK, akak, here's one for you. As per seek's suggestion, I went to Amazon and looked-up ultrasonic thickness gauges and came up with this gem of advertising saavy:

"Ultrasonic Thickness Meter Metal Digital Tester Gauge Velocity 1.2~225mm   [geekgrrl note: Apparently this is the actual product name. I guess iThickness is patented?]

Product Features

  • The Digital Ultrasonic Thickness Gauge is an intelligent that adopts ultrasonic measuring principle.
  • Controlled by micro processor, offers precise measurement for most of industrial material.
  • The measurement range of 1.20~225.00mm combined with ultrasonic wave velocity measurement function
  • 1000~9999m/s provides accurate measurement readings.
  • Widely used in various precise measurements for different hardware/parts in industrial realm.


*Auto Calibration to assure the accuracy

*Auto linear compensation: this advanced software program enhances the precision by correcting the non-linear accuracy of transducer

*Use up and down keys to make a quick adjustment for the sound velocity/thickness and a quick recall to the stored data

*Coupling status indication: Observing the coupling icon to learn if the coupling is accomplished or not

*10 thickness measurement storage and recall function available, which facilitated the height work or working in wild area

*Sound velocity measurement: with a given thickness by a sample hardware to measure the sound velocity, which avoid the further conversion or consultation of the table

*12 sound velocity for different material which also adjustable

*Low battery indication

*Auto power off mode designed to conserve battery life

*More than 10000 times long life keys

*The unit has a special memory that retains all of its setting even when the power is off."

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 04:02 | 2821600 THE DOCTOR
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Your husband sounds like an idiot and so do you.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:38 | 2821652 Zwelgje
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Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:10 | 2821294 flyingcaveman
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Just give Iran a nuke already, that way everybody over there will have to get along.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:02 | 2821378 putaipan
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no. that's what's been so easy to figure out lately..... the balfour state has so much toxic negative death by a thousand apocolypse's in storage that a few well targeted smart old school missles reaks MAD for sure.  didn't count on that did they?

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:18 | 2821300 Lore
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"Syria (which for those who have a 15 minutes attention span, was accused three months ago by everyone, and certainly Hillary Clinton, of offensively taking down a Turkish plane before it turned out to be a self-defensive move, at which point the entire false flag story promptly disappeared as it could no longer be pre-spun..."


Squelch, squelchetty squelch...

Mystery missile launch off California coast: Comes from submarine? (Fall 2010, shortly after Stuxnet)



Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:31 | 2821320 mademesmile
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Brian Williams gazed deeply into my face and said it was the light dancing off an airplane com trail. It was the classic " who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:27 | 2821422 DeadFred
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My theory was that the missile was fired by China as a warning about US economic warfare (three days before QE2 started). If so the Fed didn't heed the message but upped the ante. Three days before QE3 was announced the Japanese tweaked the noses of the Chinese by buying a couple of their islands. The remaining question is who started all the anti-US Middle East riots that also coincided with QE3. Questioning minds want to know.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 01:12 | 2821471 iDealMeat
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I think they (The US) was testing the USS Ronald Regan's electrical and power systems from an EMP. The Carnival cuse ship near the test zone

didn't fare so well..  Remember that?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:13 | 2823441 RichardP
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A comment from the link:

@ approx 1:07 the NOTAM video listed above, you will see the words "Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range" This is milspeak for SCORE, or the Southern California Offshore Range. Guess what they do there? They launch missiles and the like from subs and other water borne craft. If you GOOGLE EARTH the area and? zoom in on the islands you will see all but Catalina are MILITARY, and covered with radar. COVERED! This tells you they lied initially when they said they didn't know who or what it was.

There are a multitude of islands off the coast of Los Angeles that are all owned and inhabited by the military.  No sub from any country is going to penetrate that close to shore undetected.  This was settled long ago.  That is why the story disappeared.  There is no story.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:22 | 2821308 BuckShotJones
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Paul Krugman and the remaining Keynesians are clones of space aliens from Area 51. I think he was the flukeman in the X-Files episode.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:01 | 2821375 mademesmile
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Don't click the link if you plan on sleeping!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:02 | 2821664 lakecity55
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Hey, wasn't that the guy who hid in port-o-lets?

So, I should say "Krugman, is that you down there" next time before I use one?

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:22 | 2821309 kevinearick
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My brothers are sneaky little bastards, and you are getting closer to the nut, but it's virtual...

When I was just a wee lad, and already working, for acquisitions, my brothers stole 6 of my bikes in less than a year, competitive jealous little monsters, that do not like to lose.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:22 | 2821310 Yen Cross
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 Ok here we go. First of all, this is blowback from the " people"!   Goat herders, and SNAP card users!

  I'm being sarcastic , sort of!   There never was a rule of law!  

    He with the most "XAU" was law!     [ NUKES LEVELED] the playing field!    Should Iran have nukes?  Ask Jessy ventura!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:11 | 2821394 putaipan
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as an economic eschatologist....(dropped the "H"last time by accident,sorry)....

movie? end times? these guy's don't know shit about plot. that's the problem. they don't know how to finish the "big plan", "grand work", etc....

they were guarenteed their rewards up to now, but don't know how to finish.....Maitreya? holographic maitreya?/jesus?/littlegreen men? underground bunkers and seeds? they are sooooo lost.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:15 | 2821436 Yen Cross
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eschaatoligist? " Professional vodka mixer"? Putaipan, can we shoot some Russian Deer together?


  Fuck you and Vladimir! Cold war bitch!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:21 | 2822082 putaipan
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is that the same as native american 'shooting of brother deer'? siberian tungus style?..... yeah, i'd be down. (sheesh. a lot of people don't want you to be friendly to me.....)

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:36 | 2821326 Bear
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"But the wisdom of our experts thwarted the enemy conspiracy."  ... you just can't make this stuff up ... these guys should be movie makers. Crap, I should have read the whole thing .... they are suggesting a movie!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:59 | 2821662 lakecity55
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Looks like they hired Bagdhad Bob out of retirement as new spokesman.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:39 | 2821331 ebworthen
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It's all about money.

Those corporations will sell to whoever will buy.

It will be someone else's kids getting killed over it so...

Eisenhower; military/industrial complex warning, perpetuating states of war for profit.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:47 | 2821345 otto skorzeny
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kind of like the streets of America are again awash in Afghan heroin after years of Al Qaeda shutting down the poppy fields- now that Uncle Sam, the CIA and the DEA are running things over there production is soaring in the poppy fields. every day the local Chi burb papers have something about how heroin use is skyrocketsing in the local HSs.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:12 | 2821397 putaipan
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war on drugs babay!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 00:22 | 2821413 calgal
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Yes and thats why the poppy is the flower used to celebrate veterans day
Sick joke isnt it?
All our good soldiers dying to protect the heroin trade while these basterd fuks laff in our faces for being so stupid

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:19 | 2823175 Cathartes Aura
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if your sentiment is truth for you, then here's hoping you work diligently to convince those "good soldiers" to stop volunteering to guard the heroin trade. . .

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 05:57 | 2821661 lakecity55
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Langley must replenish the cash spent in 2 wars!

Dick O'Bama needs campaign funds.

Chitown smack Looks win-win to me.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 06:50 | 2821689 Monedas
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The military needs morphine for battle field first aid .... I want our soldiers to have all they need .... ever had your face blown off ?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:47 | 2822486 ozziindaus
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Total Afgan poppy prodcution/US military ready personal=50+ ounces/soldier/year. One oz. is enough to kill an elephant. 

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:43 | 2821336 BigInJapan
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Scheming krauts!

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 23:57 | 2821351 otto skorzeny
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more like worthless- it used to be the krauts would start a war if you looked at them funny- now all they want to do is sit back and sell arms to everyboby- the whole country is now "Jewish war profiteers" that AH used to rail against.

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