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China Officially Warns Japan Not To Infringe Its Territorial Sovereignty; Japan Reciprocates

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If yesterday it was the Middle East's turn to escalate, today it is the Far East, aka Pacific Rim, where China and Japan both remind the world nothing has been fixed in the diplomatic snafu between the two countries over a barren rock in the East China Sea.

First, it was China, which on the front page of the biggest daily Xinhua, over the weekend, demanded that Japan immediately stop infringing upon its "territorial sovereignty. To wit: "China asked Japan to immediately stop all acts that harm China's territorial sovereignty, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said late Saturday, after some Japanese landed on the Diaoyu Islands. Hong said the Japanese landed on the Diaoyu Islands Friday evening with the excuse of preventing Taiwanese activists from landing on the islets. "It is a severe infringement upon China's territorial sovereignty, and the Chinese government has lodged solemn representations and strong protests to the Japanese side," Hong said in a statement."

Other concurrent headlines make it quite clear that it is in China's interest to stir populist anger at Japan instead of seeking an amicable resolution. Observe: "Japan urged to "repent" over Diaoyu Islands", "Japan's Noda needs to reset his China policy", "China announces names of geographic entities on Diaoyu Islands", "Safeguarding Diaoyu Islands sovereignty a long-term struggle: official" and the funniest one: "Reception to mark 40th anniversary of normalization of China-Japan ties adjusted".

Which brings us to the second - Japan - which, not known for backing down once it has staked its geopolitical ambitions, has likewise warned China to tone down its response to what, at least so far, has been a clearly provocative move by Japan.

Here's everyone's favorite "watcher" Noda, via the WSJ:

Japan's prime minister warned China that its inflammatory reaction to a territorial dispute—from violent protests to apparent informal trade sanctions—could further weaken the Asian giant's already-fragile economy by scaring away foreign investors. The comments showed the risks that the tense diplomatic standoff could broaden into a damaging commercial tit-for-tat between the world's second and third largest economies.


"China should be developing through the various foreign investments it receives," Yoshihiko Noda told The Wall Street Journal following a tense week filled with news of Japanese factories torched and cars overturned, and Chinese patrol boats hovering in and around territorial waters controlled by Japan. "I hope for its level-headed and rational understanding that anything to discourage that is a disservice to itself," the prime minister added during the interview in his residence Saturday.

And now that it has been duly warned that it should just keep doing what it's doing and ignore Japan's escalating territorial aspirations, we are confident China will promptly pack up and leave, and forever disown any claims over disputed territories around the world. Or not.

As for Japan, as we warned last week, the Chinese territories dispute is just the beginning.

Japan is simultaneously ensnared in an increasingly bitter tiff with another neighbor, South Korea, both over a separate territorial argument, as well as a debate over whether Japan has made adequate amends for its World War II aggression. Mr. Noda made clear in the interview that his government had no intention of making the concessions Seoul has demanded as necessary for repairing diplomatic ties frayed in recent months, indicating an extended period of friction there as well.


Asked if he would consider providing new compensation for the so-called comfort women who served as sex slaves for the Japanese soldiers, Mr. Noda said firmly: "The matter is closed." He said South Korean criticism that Japan's previous offerings were insufficient "hurt the feelings of conscientious Japanese and it is a pity."


In addition to the isles dispute with China, Japan faces another with South Korea, which has evolved into an issue over Japan's wartime compensation. The South Korean foreign minister is widely expected to raise demands for new "comfort women" compensation in his U.N. speech. The long-simmering issue has heated up over the past year, after the South Korean constitutional court ruled that the country's leaders had violated the law by failing to negotiate a new compensation package with Japan. That put new pressure on South Korea's leaders, and Seoul has since twice asked Tokyo to hold consultations, but the requests were turned down.


South Korean President Lee Myung-bak cited the lack of progress on the issue as a reason for the recent flare-up in their bilateral territorial rivalry over a group of tiny islets known as the Liancourt Rocks, including his surprise August visit to the area called Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan. After that, South Korea's National Assembly passed a resolution demanding more formal apologies and compensation from the Japanese government over the comfort women issue.

Surely it is just a matter of time before Noda, trade relations amounting to $350 billion a year with China already in tatters, will attempt to tone done the escalation, but in a way which saves Japan's face: i.e., China has to present the other cheek. This is not going to happen, as noted above:

But Beijing indicated Sunday that it wasn't ready to move on, with the official Xinhua news agency reporting that the Chinese government had decided to cancel various ceremonies scheduled for later this week related to the 40th anniversary of normalization of postwar diplomatic ties between the two nations.

So, after finding himself between a rock and 1.4 billion hard cases, in a situation he himself has escalated, Noda does the one thing he can do: redirect, this time by dragging the US into it.

Mr. Noda implied that other countries would conclude they are vulnerable to same kind of harassment facing the Japanese—and possibly curb investments—making a point of citing the incident in Beijing on Tuesday where anti-Japanese protesters briefly surrounded the American ambassador's car, causing minor damage. "Even the U.S. embassy and its official car came under attack," Mr. Noda said.

The thing is China may or may not do without Japan, it however can't exist, at least for now, without the US. And vice versa. So any attempts to drag the US into the conflict will backfire severely on Japan. But for a country which has already demonstrated an abysmal lack of tact in foreign relations comparable to the one in the period 1930-1950, layering mistake upon mistake is to be expected.

Of course, all of this is well-known, as is the reality that the situation will escalate until someone has to decide whether to truly push it to the next level, or step down, humilating his country in the process, something Asian states have never been too keen on. What, however, was the most important article in today's Pacific Rim press is this one which has nothing to do with Japan, and everything to do with China's expanding zone of influence: "China's top security official on Saturday made a surprise visit to Afghanistan, the first time in 46 years that a Chinese leader set his foot on the soil of this landlocked Asian country."

Zhou Yongkang, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee, arrived at the Kabul airport late in the afternoon.


The four-hour visit had not been announced by Beijing due to security concerns. It followed a two-day trip of Zhou to Singapore, where he met Singaporean leaders on bilateral ties.


Zhou, who is also secretary of the Committee of Political and Legislative Affairs of the CPC Central Committee, will also go to Turkmenistan.


The last visit by a Chinese leader to neighboring Afghanistan was made by Liu Shaoqi in 1966 when he was the President of China.


During the past half century, Afghanistan was afflicted with series of military coups and two major wars commenced by the former Soviet Union and the United States respectively.


The country is still the front line in the U.S.-led war against terrorism and is undergoing daily bombing and bleeding.


In Kabul, Zhou was warmly received by Afghan President Hamid Karzai. The two leaders held a bilateral meeting.

Elsewhere, Afghanistan's Opium production, via the Afghanistan Opium Survey 2010

US poppy-seed and opium trade power vacuum, not to mention up to $1 trillion in "untapped minerals" beware: here comes China.

Misdirection indeed.


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Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:01 | 2821906 ebworthen
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China needs this to stoke nationalism; it's that or face civil war.

I see WWIII approaching and it isn't pretty; don't see how we can avoid nukes this go round.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:13 | 2821929 monkeyboy
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It doesn't look good does it? Seems like it's unravelling at an alarming rate with flash points appearing in so many places.

BUt like many things it just seems so contrived, that it's all been manufactured. Tightening the screw, increasing the pressure, waiting for the pop.

Interesting times on so many fronts.

But then again is it all just a storm in a tea cup?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:02 | 2822025 Precious
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There will absolutely, positively, be NO world war III, not China - Japan precipited nor anywhere else.

The era of WORLD anything is quickly coming to an end.   All the globalists are dinosaurs.

Smaller, local, sustainable have all the momentum.  Not building the next giant dam or skyscraper.  Not building the next central bank.  Not building the next multi-regional political union.  Those mega projects are all liabilities.

And Jeremy Grantham is wrong.  The world is not running out of resources.  Just the opposite.  We are now making airplanes and car bodies out of carbon, one of the most abundant materials on earth, instead of aluminum.  There are hundreds of similar examples.

Starting to get the picture?  Globalism and aspirations of global control are over.  The age of centrally planned social engineering is shutting down before your very eyes.  And of course the globalists, socialists and communists hate it. Because it means they have no reason to exist.  And unfortunately for them, they won't get to decide what you do today to line their pockets.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:04 | 2822053 CrashisOptimistic
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I don't think you realize that a nuclear warhead or 5 on a MIRVed missile doesn't use oil.  With oil so expensive, it becomes the most economic way to fight wars.

And in your celebration of abundance it would probably be wise to ask yourself why we drill for oil in 3 miles of water and then down another 14 miles below the seabed, rather than in central Oklahoma.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:12 | 2822059 Precious
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They drill because of all the dumb dicks in their cars commuting to work everyday for a job they hate so than can collect a bunch of shit they don't need.

That's the economics of OIL. Another ruse for socially engineered bigger, broader, centralized, molestation of citizenry, and fucking waste of a potentially interesting life.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:51 | 2822363 Oh regional Indian
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War is a business, it has cycles.

We are now in a peak (or are fast approaching one)...


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:51 | 2822837 oak
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What will happen? If China sells US Treasury bond and buys Japanese goverment bond.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:22 | 2822287 WillyGroper
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>>>>rather than in central Oklahoma.

Boom in OK in the Mississippian Shale. So much so that there is no place to room. Hotel is being built & SLB already requested every room.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:36 | 2822325 bankruptcylawyer
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wow. this is why hippies are morons.and why hippies never win. they are dumb, blind to reality. what fucking planet are you living on?

have you not read modern history for the past 2000 years? world anything is quickly coming to an end?

what the F? do you think we will be using wood and peat ? do you think that the world would ever go back to the PAST without some sort of armageddon?


no, world EVERYTHING is increasing. techno-dependence is INCREASING, odds for global conflict are increasing, propoganda is increasing, communications and transport in increasing. OIL PRODUCTION and CONSUMPTION using tar sands and other less attractive sourcs of petroleum are increasing, technology whether it be for sollar power, wind power, nuclear power , natural gas power, the electric grid is getting more sophisiticated.


the world does not willingly go backwards without some sort of SHOCK. if you are predicting a man made shock---like global war , or massive oil crisis, will NOT materialize , it is because things are far more sustainable now than the armageddon types want everyone to believe---or you believe some asteroid or act of god will hit planet earth soon.



in the former, you actually think the globalist trade empire is sustainable, in the former you come off as a crank.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:00 | 2822391 Divine Wind
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Threat Journal has been all over this story.

Over a month ago the U.S. made clear that the islands are covered under the defense pacts we have with Japan.

"MS. NULAND: Yes. We’ve consistently said that we see them falling under the scope of Article 5 of the 1960 U.S.-Japan Treaty."

This was reaffirmed during the last few days.



Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:38 | 2823225 sushi
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Strange the US would take that position.

The Americans likely forget the Potsdam Conference post WWII at which time Formosa (Taiwan) and the disputed islands were returned to Chinese sovreignty. The Japanese had used force in the Sino-Japanese war of 1895 to assert control of these territories and were now required to return them to China.

The US occupied and adminstered Okinawa after the war. Circa 1950 the US extended its administrative jurisdiction to the disputed islands. Then at the time the US relinquished control of Okinawa territory it conveyed the disputed islands to Japanese jurisdiction despite having no authority to do so.

Today we have the present conflict. Why do I think that there are many folks in Washington bent over in side-splitting laughter as they contemplate the worlds 2nd and 3rd largest economies engaging in a dispute that will likely result in manufacturers of iTrinkets seeking to relocate production to a more stable location. Oklahoma or Oakland?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 23:52 | 2823418 Precious
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... or most ironical of all, locating to Vietnam ... as is aready happening.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:58 | 2822500 Precious
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Fuck off asshole.  First of all, it appears questionable whether you can even read and obvious you can't write.  You're a jackass lawyer who couldn't grow a carrot or write a line of code if your fucking life depended on it.  You don't know shit about technology except for free-riding on the work of real creators.  Your bullshit profession is at the core of the problem.  Of course there will be technology.  That's the fucking point.  In fact it will be so pervasive and commoditized that we won't need bullshit artist JD's telling the whole fucking world what to do anymore.

You need another example for your bankrupt brain? People are already printing guns on 3D printers, you ignorant jerk.  Lets see your fucking UN, gun confiscating pussies try to stop that. Maybe they can hire Interpol. Wah!

So eat shit, parasite motherfucker.  The only crank is the fucking 59 cent yellow highlighter sticking out your pathetic ass.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:27 | 2823061 WillyGroper
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>>>>>what the F? do you think we will be using wood and peat ?

Have 2 seasoned cords just waiting on cold weather. Heated my whole house with it for 28 yrs. No back up for my grid. Didn't cost me a dime either. 

Hey bankruptcylawyer: Know the difference between a lawyer & a catfish? 

One is a bottom feeding muck sucker & the other is a fish.


Good luck eating ur briefs--------Winning!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 00:28 | 2823454 Overfed
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You, I, and whole lot of people wish it were true that globalism and central planning were in decline. But I'm afraid not. There will be an attempt to foist a one-world government and currency (cashless) upon us, and the sheeple are gonna buy into it. Bet on that.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:47 | 2822604 Sparkey
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But then again is it all just a storm in a tea cup?" asks Monkeyboy! The concentrating confluence of the information, information upon which we build our individual versions of reality, the Television, the final arbiter of what is real or not, is controled by ever fewer people, as Capitalism inexerable concentrates power to spin the general reality in fewer and fewer hands.

Knowing how to gain control is not necessarily  evidence of knowing what to do with it once you have it,  nor is there any reason to believe any man could direct it for the public good to a future utopia of `Peace and plenty for All` "Is it a storm in a tea cup?" We can only hope so, should it prove not to be so, and mankind attacked it's self with the ferocity shown in the last Grear Conflict, than I think no one will claim victory, and the loser will start the final conflagration, when you are dying, take your opponent with you, this is the age of the Suicide Bomber, who wants to die and leave his nemesis the spoils? so much of the populace's inner life is regurgitating and thinking about the things the TV gave them to think about they have no time or talent to do any thinking on their own, reality is real, the media spun dream isn't, if the media fueled reality fails to incorporate the core elements of reality, we will cease to be functioning people, perhaps we are near that now! How can you know? We have never been down this street before, we really are making history now.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2821941 disabledvet
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it was called "First Look" in the 1950's. a Government term for putting computer chips in the enemy's head. that's probably why we haven't had First Launch actually. Of course everyone would need to have one...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:01 | 2822043 aleph0
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Coincidentally, "The Kovak Box" was aired last night on German MSM TV.


Implants in the neck for population control.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:37 | 2822103 LMAOLORI
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Clinton's went one better and put it in the "enemy's"  hands oh but vet you made a cardinal sin by referring to them as the enemy they are our trading partners now all that stuff about human rights abuses be damned when it comes to $$$. I'm going to vote you up just for the courage to refer to them as the enemy since that wasn't the politically correct thing to do. Human Rights be damned when it's a liberal president doing it.

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate

snip (more at link)

Here goes.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented no threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.

Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do its dirty work while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.

In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal, respectively, thus controlling access both ways.

A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California's Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from its bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

How did the Chinese catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness is to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O'Leary to head the Department of Energy. O'Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes.

Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

Clinton OKs Nuclear Power Sales To China


Putting aside stubborn differences on human rights and democratic reform, President Bill Clinton and Chinese President Jiang Zemin today announced a pact aimed at halting the spread of nuclear weapons and giving China access to U.S. nuclear power plant technology.

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

Could Asia really go to war over these?




Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:40 | 2822144 disabledvet
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like i said "that would mean everybody." that includes you Bill Clinton. And too Bill Gates. "the Doors were opened before the Windows" as they say.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:52 | 2822364 Pure Evil
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And, it all started with the sale of the McDonnel-Douglas aircraft/missile manufacturing plant located at the time in Ohio.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:31 | 2821967 resurger
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They are selling Chinese THAAD's on ebay

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:37 | 2821978 kaiserhoff
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Here's what's going on.  It's known as No-Touch Aikido...,  aka BULLSHITSO.



Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:58 | 2822037 Precious
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Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:21 | 2822079 falak pema
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nobody in his right mind attacks like that; except the light brigade.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:42 | 2821982 Jack Burton
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RE: Nukes. Many people probably missed this some years back. During Putin's first term he and his military overhauled the Russian military defense doctrine. Facing an increasingly big and stronger NATO, and facing the fact their conventional forces were very weak, Russia announced a new nuclear policy.

As part of the Russian defense of homeland doctrine they now reserve the right to first use of nuclear weapons on any force that crosses into Russian territory and that Russia's conventional forces can not defeat. In such a case Russia vows to use tactical nuclear weapons detonated over the attcking force on Russian territory. So this pertains only to it's own territory. But it msut be clear that playing one's hand against Russia would be very dangerous, as a victory is impossible. A few air bursts over an attacking force is a very ugly thing. And Putin maintains this policy today.

It is actually a copy of the NATO policy versus a Warsaw Pact attack that NATO couldn't contain, it was NATO policy to use nukes in that case. What goes around comes around. I expect Israel has an even more forward based nuclear policy. Any force that they see a threat they might not contain will be nuked promto, and as much of it before it crossed into Israel proper.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:03 | 2822050 dick cheneys ghost
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MK Bhadrakumar's take on the situation.....

''The long awaited battle between China and the United States has begun, but it isn’t over the islands that China calls Diaoyu and Japan calls Senkaku, and which Washington now says are covered under the US-Japan security treaty

The real battle, as it turns out, is over auto parts, with the US filing on Monday a complaint against China at the WTO alleging Beijing subsidizes the exports worth $7.2 billion to the US market. The US is hitting back at the duties Beijing imposed ($3.3 billion) on its exports of autos and SUVs to the Chinese market.  Meanwhile, on Daiaoyu/Senkaku as such, there is a perceptible pullback. The tensions seemed to have served a valuable purpose for both Tokyo and Beijing, as the xenophobia helped whip up nationalist frenzy, which in turn diverted attention from political problems at home in both countries. No one in his right senses would have taken the beating of war drums seriously as more than rhythmic band music. The real winner of the Daiaoyu/Senkaku tensions of the past few weeks is of course Washington. It utilized the developing tide of nationalism in Japan to get away with the deployment of the anti-ballistic missile defence system [BMD] on Japanese soil. It’s a first-class scoop. With this, the US’ BMD arc around Russia is further tightening. ''


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:13 | 2822073 LULZBank
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You sure its not about iPhone parts and patents?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:51 | 2822081 resurger
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Israel can't nuke an attacking force invading it's territory, a "pussy" in it self is much more machismo than the fucking "Shayetet 13" which translates to "Flotilla 13"

On the top of the turkish Flotilla "Marmara" those patsies get Pawned. “When the going gets tough, the Jews get pissed.” yeah! And fuck the Zohans too..

i digressed, but when the going gets real, and the "Blood Rage" , from chopping and slashing get's serious inside Palestine they can nuke themselves and the enemy... so since Palestine is so small, they can die there too.

The case of the holy land is the main problem and the main issue, the Jews know this and Alebert Einstian knew that Israel will not last forever.

Once we start nuking one  another, we will get back to the stone age (it's giong to be a world wide holocaust, where i can imagine maybe, a man passes by a car, plane and iphone and say i remember the days when humans used to use those things)

So when the Muslim vanguards go on a recon, and the Christian banners all gather up to fight the muslims in the armageddon in the holy lands (the bird wont survive his flight above the men's heads) it's going to be very fucking ugly.

And where all the Jew's and the worshippers of the god of war "Yahweh" be? As usual with the stonger side.

With all the the tehnology Israel has, they couldnt bend the will of the people to surrender in Palestine since 1948, In Lebanon in 1982, and again in (scorching heat) and Gaza in 2008 (cast lead)

i fucking hate Israel more than anything else, if Israel did not exist this world would have been a better place, but it's god will to test the people and life is a constant war between good and evil.. when we die, we face the moment of truth, and it's either hell or heaven

for Eternity...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:22 | 2822085 CPL
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Communities roasting over a nuclear fire,

Cancer nipping off my nose,

Yutide screams sung by soldiers,

Lead dress up at ground zero.


Nobody knows a turkey and some hidden growth,

Help to make a season bright,

Tiny mutants with their eyes all aglow

Will find it hard to sleep tonight.


ala Bing Crosby...last Christmas song ever.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 06:54 | 2823682 Boris Alatovkrap
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Is maybe populist caroling in Chernobyl!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:55 | 2822023 vast-dom
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i'll take that 2008 vintage. pure. organic. POPPIES.



Keiser Report: Happy Hacking! (ft. Richard Stallman):!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 06:53 | 2823679 Boris Alatovkrap
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Is going fast hell to bread basket. China is not having to give free speeches to peoples so is stoking new "externality" animosity for straw enemy. Maybe is now go in Afghanistan for get ass kicked like English, Russian, and American. For quotation of Satayana, "fail to learn history, doom to repeat history".

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:06 | 2821914 Capitalist
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If they go to war who will bailout Europe?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:45 | 2822000 Global Hunter
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Planned in advance and taken care of by the US Federal Reserve.  Known as QE Conscription.  Rather than print dollars they will send men off to war and print ration cards instead.  The beauty of it is, inflation is contained as there's no more consumer demand for anything other than food and oxygen.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2822015 A Nanny Moose
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Europe? What's Europe? Are they stil there?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:18 | 2822078 roadhazard
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Bawnie Fwank, the capitalists fwend.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2821919 10mm
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Nukes will ba a last resort.Too many other toys to try out first.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:22 | 2822284 CPL
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If someone is determined to win, I'd nuke first so they don't get to try out the gadgets.  

Gadgets are junk, eventually every battle turns into a knife fight once artillery has cleared the road.  

Turks historically were good at that, they would lay low, let people demolish the walls of castles then wait for them to come inside.  There Turkish theologians from reasearch into Roman tactics.  They determined that they could stick a pike up a man's ass, mount him inside the wall, skin his back where he would be picked at by carrion and sponge water vinegar into his mouth to keep them alive


Man can live three days weeping, screaming everything he feels over the wall to the soldiers on the other side, in their language.  

My other favorite dirty tactic of the Turks at the time was how they would get sheep sick, stuff them with sawdust, then launch them with catapults.  Sawdust everywhere along with the primary ingredient of Anthrax which is made in sheep guts.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:06 | 2822864 morpheus000
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This is funny. You think they will beat us by catapulting goats and sheep at us? Problem with the new kids on the block is we are too nice.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:10 | 2821920 Bananamerican
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"the first time in 46 years that a Chinese leader set his foot on the soil of this landlocked, -mineral rich-, Asian country."

and you can tell it's a mineral rich country...

check out the bumper-sized 'stache on that dude on the right...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:22 | 2822088 roadhazard
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I would like to make a gift of Afghanistan to China. Guarding Chinese mines is their job not US troops job.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2821926 LULZBank
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Peak trade wars...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:22 | 2821945 BigInJapan
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Peak Peace.


Shit, I oughtta get that trademarked!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:50 | 2822017 A Nanny Moose
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What b00b down votes this?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2821927 falak pema
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seems like the rival camps have two theatres of operation : ME and South China SEA. 

China's role is now a key issue that will start growing if things hotten up between Israel and Iran; respective allies to the two giants in their face off via surrogates.

We are entering the finite RM age and the fight for precious resources, behind the hype of WTO type cooperation. 

The cake can start crumbling any time now. TO think that the likes of Netanyahu or some smart ass false flag in the south china seas could erupt in Armageddon. Just shows how fragile the thread of peace now is. 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:24 | 2822095 JohnKozac
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Japan has a simple solution: Just have GE build another Fuki reactor on that island...then nobody will inhabit it for 100,000 years.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:44 | 2822164 disabledvet
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spot on. this has simultaneous war written all over it. dust of your WW 2 history books. we're going maximum load on the grid and max pressure in the pipe.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2821928 centerline
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I keep saying "yeah, yeah, yeah.... posturing for whatever BS reason."  At some point someone is really going to throw a punch and I probably won't see it coming.  lol.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:15 | 2821931 disabledvet
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you mean "there goes China." the only plausible explanation for all this is that China is disintegrating. go long the US Navy in the Pacific. AMERICAN LAKE BITCHEZ!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:48 | 2822177 disabledvet
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man, than wasn't very nice. six strikes against the Navy? looks like it's back to the T-rex petting zoo for me again. i demand Steven Spielberg take back the three Star War movies that I saw as a kid before i go!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 05:05 | 2823620 Just Ice
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that anus mouse must've had friends

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2821932 Winston of Oceania
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Was this written by Chi-com daily? Let's not forget the Philippine Islands where the Chinese are fond of saying "Eveyone knows that the Philippine Islands belong to China".

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:27 | 2821960 Vlad Tepid
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I know!  China is well known for making specious claims on every single one of it's neighbor's oceanic territory, yet Tyler writes that Japan is behaving provocatively for merely continuing to administer a chain of islands it has been administering and de facto occupying, with near-unanimous international consent, for the past 110 years.  Next he's going to tell us that China's maritime border with Mongolia and Afghanistan are under scrutiny.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:50 | 2822181 disabledvet
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it has been argued that it was the Chinese who first discovered America...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:14 | 2822539 bank guy in Brussels
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Your comment on China expansionism -

Makes me think of the 40, 50 or 60 or however many military invasions CIA coups etc the USA has conducted in Central and South America over the last 200 years

US 'Monroe' doctrine, that the US gringo backyard was all the Spanish-speaking countries south of them, all US 'bitches' to push around and control or just take

Seems like big empires all the same ... China likes copying things, US empire is the biggest thing they can copy

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:02 | 2822857 morpheus000
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Yes China is known for crap in so many ways.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2821933 LULZBank
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I think, there will be conflicts and civil wars rather than a world war. So far everyone is waiting or trying to tip the opponent over in economic terms and hope the civil war will take care of it.

Nobody has the balls or capability to go into a full scale war. Sooner the Al Qaeda mercenaries are wiped out, sooner we can get onto the end game.

Just hope the some low ranking army personnel will shoot the Generals and Politicians in the head or knee caps and do a coup and avert the MAD war and talk things out like humans.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:52 | 2822186 disabledvet
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oh look! it's North Korea!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2821935 holdbuysell
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The ESF, poppy plants, and the USD have such a great thing going. /sarc

With China in the mix? Maybe not so much.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:19 | 2821938 BigInJapan
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All this talk of WW3. I wonder how many of us realize that a major global conflict would see most of us pressed into service?

It's one thing to be smart - quite another to survive a shooting war in one piece.

I just hope it comes in the next 10 years, so it would be me and not my boys having to go.


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:27 | 2821957 LULZBank
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The curious case of Benjamin Button?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:21 | 2822084 freshfart
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I like the porn version better....the curious case of benjamin butthole

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:31 | 2821969 Ralph Spoilsport
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One of the few advantages to getting old is not worrying about the draft. I took my "year exposure" back when the draft had a lottery system. I got a 271 and they weren't taking over 150 since the pullout  from Viet Nam had started.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:38 | 2821981 djsmps
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I was #7.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:41 | 2821987 Ralph Spoilsport
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Ouch! If I had been born one day later I would have been #17.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2822014 kaiserhoff
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Hadn't thought about that in years, but you never forget.  I was 273.  Three of my friends at Illinois who were roomies had a combined total of 27.  They all went to grad school and said "fuck it."  Good choice.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:05 | 2822058 atlee
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I was 312 but still served in the USAF at a NATO base.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:23 | 2822089 Ralph Spoilsport
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My older brother was wounded pretty badly and he talked me out of enlisting. His accounts of the stupidity and waste were pretty vivid. He was a tail gunner in a Chinook and took an anti-aircraft round that almost tore his arm off. His permanent disability payment is less than what EBT cardholders get a month. He survived, got his PhD in microbiology, raised a great family and still teaches classes in Ohio. Like most vets who saw the shit get real, he absolutely will not discuss anything he went through in-country.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:45 | 2821998 markar
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Funny. 271 was the number I drew as well. One of those things you never forget.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:28 | 2822099 JohnKozac
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# 21...but I said I was "pre-med".... for 7 long years and got deferments....I hated chemistry but it was better then the alternative. I later switched to what I really enjoyed.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:41 | 2821989 BattlegroundEur...
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You and your ilke should refuse to go to war for your "politicans".  See what happens ;)

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:46 | 2821990 Rattling Bones
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I think they would have a tough time with conscription; I can't see many people going along with dying for a sold out country on the orders of the corrupt bankers and politicians that profited from the sale.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:58 | 2822039 Global Hunter
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Agree, the people inclined to fight have for the most part already been enlisted.  I can't imagine all those hipsters lining up at Starbucks and Apple stores being gung-ho about being called up to fight.  Some may see it as a cool twitter opportunity but I suspect most won't.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:01 | 2822852 morpheus000
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Guys there are worse elites out there dont play into their hands.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 01:30 | 2823491 merizobeach
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"I can't see many [ZH readers] going along with dying for a sold out country on the orders of the corrupt bankers and politicians that profited from the sale."

I'll posit an edit if I may.

As for the young nationalist sheeple, enough inflation and a relative raise in soldier's pay, and they'll flock to war like they always have.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:51 | 2822020 Haus-Targaryen
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Well, almost 4 degrees . . . hurrah for the Officer Corp. 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:50 | 2822360 DR
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If China and the US butt heads the fight will be nuclear. China has to too many males of military age for the US to win against in a standing army war.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:18 | 2822763 lolmao500
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Except you don't win a war with men. You win a war with supply lines. China could probably get away with taking over South Korea and Taiwan but that's about it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 01:34 | 2823495 merizobeach
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Conscripting the fifty million wife-less men in China into an obsolete standing army for the purposes of invading Taiwan, etc, may actually accomplish the goal of occupying such a neighbor with the added benefit of alleviating societal pressures posed by the ongoing survival of many of those men--and awarding the survivors with foreign brides and comfort women.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:47 | 2822485 Things that go bump
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I just have one word for you - Canada.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:30 | 2822785 lolmao500
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With neo-con Harper in charge? Good luck.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 19:57 | 2823038 bahaar
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You seem to assume that in WW3 only men in uniform will die.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2821942 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey Tylers...

Whers the article that GeorgeWashington had put up yesterday on END THE FED...?

Seems to be vaporized.

Not very nice of yous

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:25 | 2822096 Ralph Spoilsport
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Gotta wonder why being helpful about passing on a link with no comment gets a junk.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 01:39 | 2823497 merizobeach
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"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:24 | 2822567 bank guy in Brussels
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The 'Contributors' articles do not get vapourised, but you need to know the trick to find them

There are actually TWO main threads of articles on ZeroHedge. One is the main one everybody sees, and you can go to back pages for older ones ...

But then the 'contributors' heading up top, leads you to the 2nd major thread, it is where you find all the GW pieces, Bruce Krasting pieces, William Banzai 7 political art, and many other items, both good and junky.

Most readers are only aware of the 'contributors' pieces when their introductions appear among those top 3 articles that cycle at the top of the page ... Sometimes articles sit among those top 3 for a whole day, but other times just for an hour or two or just about not at all.

So for us committed ZH readers, the 'contributors' tag needs to be always clicked on as well, just in case you missed something. -

Tyler needs to re-organise a bit ... so once-a-day readers can more easily find the 'contributors' pieces they missed, and know where to look for the older ones

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:22 | 2821949 Vlad Tepid
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Yes, clearly Japan has been the provocative one here.  In the same league as Kitty Genovese and the Black Dahlia.  As provocative a provocateur as they come.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:24 | 2821951 LULZBank
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Would'nt be so sure about the "untapped minerals" but the real deal in Afghanistan is the transit trade from Central Asia and Russia during winter.

The first and foremost purpose behind the Taliban militia, securing the trade routes.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:39 | 2821983 falak pema
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Both China and India are cajoling Afghan; notice also how the poppy is concentrated in Pashtu south provinces. That oil and gas pipeline from Turkmenistan/ Ouzbekistan/Iran should also be a major issue as it transits via Afghan for India/Pak.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:58 | 2822022 LULZBank
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Would have nothing to do with southern weather or landscape perhaps? Or the concentration of "poppykeeping" troops. Some may call them peacekeepers for UN purposes.

It is only an issue for India and for US and UK to keep their "man" involved.

Finally China pays attention.

"Want to make peace with the Taliban and revive your economy? Partner with us and our ally, China, not the U.S."

P.S. I did'nt junk you. Someone's playing Jedi mindfucks here ;)

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:29 | 2822102 falak pema
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sooo, A military alliance between USa and Pak MIC comes to an end after...sixty+ years. That is an about turn. 

I knew China and Pakistan were close since Bhutto days; but this is news. 

Ben Laden served as detonator to trigger alienation of PAk MIC from Cia, already in tense situation with MIC after nuclear capability hassles?

Having said that, the ruling class of Pak is very pro american, culturally. So support to Talibans is not something that enamours the Pak Elites.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:26 | 2822281 LULZBank
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Your views are rather simplistic. USA and PAK alliance was fractured in 1971, when US supposedly did'nt come through on its SEATO obligations, and instead tried to impose IMF loan for payment to India as ransom for the POWs.

Pakistan had no loans from anyone till then.

From then Pak Army realised, they will be pushed over and never get a fair share in any "pie" unless they have the biggest gun possible and embarked on the Nuclear programme... as a guarantee that they wont be pushed over again.

Dont have the link, but US offered aid in exchange if Pak stopped its Nuclear programme but one Army general was quoted saying that "they will be giving us all the money we want once we have the nuclear assets."

Thats all there is, to it. Being Pro American (which they are) doesnt guarantee that their pockets and bank accounts will be filled, nuclear deterrant does. And also having China as a steady regional partner to fall back on.

You give way too much importance to Bin Laden, he had nothing to do with it. Its just mafia guys making sure they get the spoils of the loot by having a big enough gun. Pak army might not defend Pak sovereignity, but they will fight tooth and nail to protect the Nuclear "deterrant."

BTW, all the Pak elites including the religious leaders, whose minions you see protesting and burning US flags have dual US nationalities and their families are settled there... So you can imagine how much the "Death to the USA" slogan means to them :)

It is a full scale, all out "intelligence" war going there. Smile on the face and stab at the back and always know who is your friend and who is your foe.

Also, so that you get the perspective next time you see it in the news; the Afghan Taliban or "Haqqani network" is the ISI front and the Pakistani Taliban or the TTP is the CIA front.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 16:35 | 2822660 falak pema
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I don't give importance to Ben LAden, I just say it was the straw that broke the camel's back. As for the US/Pak alliance it was never so strong as during the Gen Zia days. They owned PAkistan army then thru  handouts and the Afghan war helped forge that alliance via Taliban creation and subsequent abandonment of both the Jihadist brigade (whence Ben LAden's ire) and Taliban fall out (whence ISI ire). It probably led to death of Zia and subsequent strengthening of China link when Benazir sold the nuclear know how of Dr Q to North Korea in exchange for launcher knowhow. All that is documented. Pak became subsequently marginal to US operations in Irak that further aggravated the ISI/CIA rift, as US aid diminished to the MIC oligarchy of Pak; until Obammy brought them back to Afghan and Pak became important again but as total surrogate; whence the inevitable divorce today, all goaded on by the China link. 

That's my understanding of how Pak MIc has morphed, all the more so that the younger cadres of army are more Taliban friendly than the old pro western generation in army as in civil society.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:25 | 2824944 earleflorida
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ref: #1, #2, & #3

#1)        "Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons" __ Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark c.2007

Ps. *difficult read --over 5 decades time frame, where history buffs of SE Asia even show mental fatigue... a must read

#2)        "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror turned into a War on American Ideals" __ Jane Mayer c.2008  

#3)         "Islam Inflamed: A Middle East Picture" __ James Morris c.1957

Ps.2) ** The Dark Side/ Mission Accomplished? ___ *** Islam Inflamed/ Deja vu?

Note:  Deception, will literally boil your blood!


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:02 | 2825767 Lore
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Good post.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:32 | 2823101 bahaar
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You mean senior Pak military officers/ ISI members are not part of ruling class? Wasn't Bin-Laden under their protection these 10 years?  It's Pakistani elites who whip up anti US frenzy everytime they want US to 'cough up'.  

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:56 | 2822202 disabledvet
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it would go direct to China. Khyber pass through to Xian. one hell of a railroad tho...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:22 | 2823077 bahaar
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Wrong.  Various actors have various interests in Afghanistan. 

Pakistan uses Taliban to control Afghanistan and prevent them from claiming Afghan land (Khyber Pakhtoonwala) which Pakistan inherited from the British.  Afghans never accepted Durand line which seperates Afghanistan and Pakistan. 

US interest in Afghanistan is because of Unocal which wants to lay gas pipeline through Afghanistan into China and India.  US also wants to keep Russia hopping by needling it's Muslim under-belly.

China has an added interest of mining for minerals but that's in distant future.

India's interested in Afghanistan because they want to destroy Taliban/Al Queda and numerous other head-aches which mount attacks and keep Kashmir insurgency burning. 

Iran's interest is to destory Jundallah ( another one of those Taliban off-shoot) and protect shias in Karachi, Pakistan. More Pakistani shias are killed  in riots in Karachi than by drone attacks.

Among all the actors, Taliban is the only one whose interests can be termed as purely free-market capitalistism.  They want to control poppy production and run drugs into (used to be) Europe and now probably into Macao and make money hand over fist.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:25 | 2821954 booboo
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Land wars work better for the chicoms. They like Russian wheat too, they may need to secure their fields before packing off to war.'Aussies should be soiling their bloats too.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:25 | 2821955 resurger
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it's the Chinese turn to Nank the Japs!

N? t? m? dì h?itún
Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2821958 Abraxas
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Hey! Pssst! Our minions and your minions are talking about all these problems that we have caused. How about we start blaming each other for something, lets say endangering each other's sovereignty or obstructing of democracy processes, that always works...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:01 | 2822046 suteibu
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Exactly.  Japan and Iran are surrogates in a broader power struggle.  And for the US and China, they couldn't find better pawns as both Iran and Japan are cursed with incompetent leaders who have made themselves ripe for this situation, mostly by believeing that their patrons will leap to their defense.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:07 | 2822061 A Nanny Moose
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Always the same end game. The proles will to die for, and as a disctration from, the behavior of inept bureaucrats. The serfs will blindly obey, without even knowing why they are fighting. They will point a gun at some foreigner with whom they have more in common, than the bureaucrats that sent them to fight.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2821961 sangell
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I rather thought NHK's story and video of Japanese Ground Self Defense Troops conducting joint amphibious landings with US Marines on Guam and Tinian for the first time the major geo-political story this weekend.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:29 | 2821964 Bicycle Repairman
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I don't know if Sun Tzu said this or not, but if you are going to fight, try to get your opponent onto the terrain of your choosing.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:31 | 2821966 CunnyFunt
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... but always leave the enemy what appears to be a way out.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 03:33 | 2823580 merizobeach
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Sun Tzu also said that victorious warriors win first and then go battle, whereas the defeated go into battle seeking to win.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:32 | 2821971 solidus
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This feels like one of those things that, afterward, the world says "huh, never saw that one coming".

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:50 | 2821974 Winston Churchill
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Hardly a surprise that the Chinese would react against the US strategy of containment.

The Japanese are merely a tool of US policy.Now 'face' is involved so anything could happen.

Sure the Indians are none too happy with the Afghan visit either.

They still have their own border dispute with China that is still unresolved

fifty years after they got ass whipped by them.

Looks like the State Dept. is playing chequers to the Chinese chess game.

What could go wrong ?


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:38 | 2821980 sangell
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Xi Jinping was at the ASEAN conference this weekend sounding reasonable. That China was prepared to discuss boundary issues in a 'friendly' manner. Also note Chinese police were suddenly able to stop the riots and looting of Japanese businesses. Guess they realized behaving like a bunch of Muslim savages was not exactly an appealing image for the up and coming superpower to project.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:41 | 2821988 ShakaZulu
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Everyone knows you can't take over the world without first capturing Yakutsk.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:46 | 2822003 Jack Burton
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I prefer to sit on Iceland and build forces. When they least expect it the Icelandic force strikes east and west. Europe can not be conquered as long as Iceland holds out and it is a juicy target for the long run, though hard to defend.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:53 | 2822192 Temporalist
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I thought controlling Australia leaving no attacker at ones back is the best strategy.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:29 | 2822310 LULZBank
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I read that too, somewhere that Elites have chosen Australia and more particulerly Tasmania as their safe haven refuge when TSHTF.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:51 | 2822495 Jack Burton
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Gotta watch out for Tasmania as a safe haven. They have this black snake that is one of the world's deadliest snakes. You gotta really watch out for those bastards when you go trout fishing on Tasman rivers. These snakes love the edge of the water.

My safe haven preference is New Zealand. They have no native snakes and Fjordland national park offers threat free trout fishing and glorious scenery.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:36 | 2822464 toady
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Yep, Australia is the way to go. Just lay low, building a superior fighting force, then unleash them on Asia, or preferably all the way to world domination.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:30 | 2822306 Mine Is Bigger
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I really love Iceland.  Please leave her alone.  Besides, the country has a population of fewer than 200,000, including sheep, I think.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:29 | 2822574 Global Hunter
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Fantastic thread within a thread here!  Pointing out the obvious, went from the game of Risk to reality, back to Risk back to reality again.  An another fine example of the sum of random banter bordering on or being creative genius here at ZH.  So many sharp minds on these comment boards. 

edit: Attempt at a serious comment, no sarcasm intended.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:44 | 2821997 buzzsaw99
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those two military dudes in the back are hilarious. uh, bellhop, get my bags. lulz

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:56 | 2822034 sangell
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My guess is they were thinking which one of them will blow that beaver pelt off of Karzai's head first.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:03 | 2822049 Arnold Ziffel
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China's Bursting Housing Bubble:


BEIJING (Reuters) - China plans to stick to its tight property sector policies and a nationwide rebound in home prices remains unlikely, a senior official at the housing ministry said in remarks published by state media on Sunday.

To curb price rises, Beijing is urging local authorities to increase housing supply and to strictly implement a policy aimed at restricting home purchases, said the People's Daily, the ruling Communist Party's official newspaper.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:12 | 2822259 CPL
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Real asset costs meet political bumblefuck management.  

Politcal Bumblefuck management meet real asset costs.


What a train wreck...sigh.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:07 | 2822063 suteibu
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Japan needs to forget about gaining a position of global leadership (a position encouraged by the US since the Meiji Restoration) and become something like Asia's Switzerland.  The fish in the pond are too big for Japan to defeat and it stands to be sacrificed for the interests of the US.  Neutrality is the only path for peace in Japan.  However, it is doubtful the Americans will ever allow it.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:41 | 2822592 bank guy in Brussels
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That would be a clever programme for the rapidly aging Japanese, if they could overcome their fear of having foreigners in their midst - But the Japanese are even still scared of having too many hard-working, respectful Filipinas work in their service industries and old-age homes

Develoloping your idea, Japan as Asian tax-haven and good-times capital ... a much bigger Singapore + Macau ... you're right, that would be a smart move ... Welcome all the escaping Americans too

Quick adjustment of the tax laws, more gambling development ... Japan already has a porn-nearly-everywhere culture that is popular

One of the Asia business articles somewhere, said that in fact the biggest online commerce in the world was Chinese guys buying Japanese porn ... the Chinese learn enough Japanese characters to navigate the Japanese browsers and avoid the Chinese censors ... Internet commerce statistics exclude gambling and porn even tho they are some huge percentage of it, apparently why it is not better known, another huge Japanese 'export' business

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:51 | 2822166 boiltherich
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Geologists must have identified Saudi level seabed deposits of oil and gas to make this level of saber rattling worth it. Those islands are uninhabited and are essentially just rocks near other islands that are Japanese and inhabited, I am sure you all have heard of one of the most famous, Yonaguni where the mysterious undersea "city" is.

Yaeyama Subprefecture (?????, Yaeyama-shich??) was a subprefecture of Okinawa Prefecture, Japan. It was abolished in March 2009. Most of its functions were taken over by the Yaeyama Office of the prefecture.

It included the following cities and towns of Yaeyama and Senkaku Islands:


Anyway, those islands were privately owned land by one of the wealthiest families in Japan, but following the recent Chinese exertion of claims to that part of the ocean the Japanese bought the islands from the family making them government property, nationalizing them. Now any Chinese claim on them brings China into direct conflict with Japanese sovereignty, and that is what triggered the staged "protests" against Japan last week. And it is kind of sad really because Japan and China had previously worked out a deal in which the disputed part of the East China Sea would be developed in cooperation and joint ownership. Now China wants it all and are putting all their poker chips on the table. And we all know what Japans reaction to being cut off of oil has been in the past. Can you say Pearl?

This is one of those geopolitical battle of wills that emerges suddenly and is fascinating to watch. The Chinese are hoping to bluff the Japanese out with belligerent rhetoric, but the real opponent is the USA because we stand behind the Japanese, the so called aircraft carrier that can't be sunk. If the Chinese go all in on this bluff they have too many chips for the Japanese to call alone, so the goal of the Chinese is to bluff America into folding, not Japan. No matter the outcome though this is a hard shove to Japan towards rearmament and self sufficiency in military terms.

If the US does not back Japan no less take the lead in confronting China over these spurious territorial claims the Japanese will see itself as on it's own. Even if the Americans do in this case back Japan to the hilt they are reminded that the day eventually will come when the USA will not be willing or able to honor Japanese needs. And it is not just about an insecure Island nation that has a history of going to war when vital resources are threatened, it is about face. If China humiliates Japan they create a vendetta that cannot be assuaged. And moreover China knows this. The far east has a long history of keeping and settling scores.

On the other hand, China seems to be missing a fundamental feature of western thinking. The approach in the western mind is the image of the carrot and the stick. Most dealing, not all but most, involves consequences for bad behaviors and rewards for good behaviors. Even when those intended motivating tools are actually undeliverable or outright lies the offers are still usually made, an effort to appear diplomatic which gives both sides the ability to comply without looking weak.

Example, at the outset of the current Iranian nuclear issue the US and allies offered Iran complete freedom to have the peaceful civilian nuclear energy program it claimed to be attempting to create as long as Iran agreed to western powers supplying the fuel and recycling the waste, thus avoiding the need on Iran's part for the infrastructure that has the dual ability to process nuclear energy materials and weapons grade materials. They cold accept the offer or face the consequences of escalating sanctions. The point is that in the west demands are rarely presented as outright ultimatums without diplomatic solutions being offered first, this goes a long way toward saving face as they would say in the east. I do not think in the case of these islands that China made any such offer before deciding to go postal on Japan, if they did it is a well kept secret that you would think they in China would want publically known.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:00 | 2822208 Eric L. Prentis
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Citizen demonstrations against another country’s actions (e.g., the Diaoyu or Senkaku Islands dispute between China and Japan) and workplace sabotage (e.g., Chinese factory workers installing malware on new computers sold in the US) are the vulnerable downsides to globalization.

Supply-chain-management disruption of the global just-in-time inventory system will be the world economy’s undoing. Result, a systemic global depression is coming. Add in the fact that Asians detest losing face, and you get a military conflict.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:09 | 2822251 disabledvet
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the Japanese tsunami (covered correctly only here and by absolutely NO ONE else) had impacts...but they have now been overcome. those are the facts...where are yours. i do agree "face saving" is a big problem. especially when in conjunction with specious claims of "authority" backed up by nothing. again this is about preventing the imminent collapse of the Chinese Government...not that that isn't scary too. in some ways "even more so."

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:02 | 2822225 disabledvet
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i believe India's Navy is second only to the USA's in that region. China still hasn't caught up to Japan yet. With all the billions leaving Mainland China it's no wonder they feel the necessity to start everything...with everyone. sorry but as someone who actually lived over there i'm not buying the hype.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:35 | 2822328 ZackAttack
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This would essentially be a a sea/air battle. To me, the big question mark is how well China's attack submarines, SSMs and 4th generation strike aircraft work, and whether they can actually pull off a large-scale marine amphibious operation across hundreds of miles of sea against determined opposition. History points to the shiny toys not working nearly as well as advertised.

I think China ultimately has the throw weight to take these islands, but only if they are willing to take horrific losses of men and materiel. I could see a scenario where they lose 1/3rd to 1/2 their fleet to achieve their military objective.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:18 | 2822888 morpheus000
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I wouldnt undersestimate the JSDF or Rim Pac. Mostly, I see this as China starting a nuissance event. China is no where near being able to carry out the campaign Japan did in WWII.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:14 | 2822883 morpheus000
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China's Navy is floating garbage.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:49 | 2822354 Atomizer
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Just like this fake Government State video, you’ll be told another handful of bullshit about a missile being launched. [Man your stations-- Man your stations], we’re under threat.

/ bwahahahaha

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:01 | 2822393 honestann
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This is all to distract the sheeple population from the collapse of their economies.  Dumb sheeple.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:05 | 2822401 q99x2
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Opium Pipeline Bitchez.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:24 | 2822444 loveyajimbo
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$10 on China.  Japan is in for a thumping...  And look at that craven asshole Karzai... what douchebags in DC could be sending THIS joker billion$??  Isolationism is a good thing when it comes to the middle east animals... let them burn, and if they twitch... well, our nukes are getting old anyways, might as well send half of 'em over there...

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:07 | 2822530 earleflorida
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'sadly, when history reaps it's forlorn pages into the future- tis, but a book-of-deeds without a binder? reminding us not of our failures... be its ignorance, perpetuated transgressions, and hubris. no... none will suffice the furthest of nearest past`pyrrhic de'carthage`...thusly forever lamenting ones irrevocable  fait`accompli reconciliations- whence, having never parsed closure with a open'd ended shallow mind... juggling, vacillating and gravitating a prejudiced shuttered memory where reason and logic have worn out the welcome mat-- a spawning negativity becoming a glossy photo of the me`time, on a abstract mosaic matrix's global palette, where ones centerpiece... the crowning diadem, is all that matters?' 

summary: i fear sooner rather than later that a country such as Pakistan could ignore the hypothesis of MAD!!!


thankyou tyler

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 16:09 | 2822633 boiltherich
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Just a reminder, I have Monday October 15 on the new moon in the pool. 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:23 | 2822563 lolmao500
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And Iran-NATO-Israel war is about to kick off on Yom Kippur.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 15:36 | 2822588 f16hoser
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Banzai Bitchez!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 16:10 | 2822634 boiltherich
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Is that Mr. William Banzai 7 Bitchez? 

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 16:33 | 2822662 earleflorida
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Geography?      may/2008

Ps. These photo's are ~ 5yrs. dated __ eg) Jane says China has been turning out 2-3 nuke subs every 3-5yrs. Perhaps the real numbers are in the range of 15-20 chinese subs already on active/ serviceable duty???


Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:11 | 2822743 NewWorldOrange
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It's only natural that China and Afghanistan should be interested in each other. They share a border.

Speaking of geography, on Friday I was watching CNBC (yeah, I know, it's about comedy and an interest in the ways of propaganda), and not 1 but 3 different idiots (Joe Kernen, Becky, that little weasle who is in love with himself for publishing some pro-establishment book...Andrew?) ALL said, repeatedly, while speaking of Belize's bankruptcy, that Belize is in South America.

(Ummm...for those who may not's in Central America, which is part of NORTH AMERICA.)

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:15 | 2822755 lolmao500
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Let's remember who again gave lots of military technology to China... ah yes, ISRAEL.... our loyal and best ally in the whole freaking world, ISRAEL.

US Commission 2002 :

Israeli Assistance

Israel ranks secondly only to Russia as a weapons systems provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology followed by France and Germany. Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates in the PLA Navy’s inventory. Hong Kong’s AFP reported in November of 1999 that "as the world’s fifth biggest weapons exporter, Israel has supplied China with radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators".31 Israel has established itself as an important exporter of high-technology niche weapons containing more sophisticated technology than what is provided by Russia.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 17:56 | 2822843 morpheus000
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Oh come one I use to believe this China crap. China is at least 50 years behind the West militarily etc. Their equipment is complete crap.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:13 | 2822882 lolmao500
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Not 50 years but 10 years yes. And yeah their equipment is quite crap, they copy everything from everyone and most of the time, they can't even copy right.

Not to mention, their troops, especially THEIR NAVY has NO REAL LIVE TRAINING. They would get their asses kicked against the US or Japan.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2824997 earleflorida
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they have nuke subs programmed by IBM--- FYI,... ibm is the MIC's go-to for intel hardw & software--- they are figuratively and literally the brains behind the World's War machines!

dulles brother's & co.,

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