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America's Deadliest And Poorest City Set To Disband Its Entire Police Force Over Budget Crisis
While the stock market in the US continues to surge (if not so much in China where the composite is back to 2009 lows) as the relentless liquidity tsunami makes its way into stocks, and other Fed frontrunning instruments, and only there, reality for everyone else refuses to wait. Last week we saw reality striking in Greece, where a section of Athens literally shut down after it ran out of all cash. Today, reality comes to the US, and specifically its poorest city, Camden, which is a twofer, doubling down also as America's deadliest city. It turns out Camden is about to become even deadliest-er, as its police force is set to be disbanded following a budget crisis in this effectively insolvent city.
This city, long among the nation's poorest and most crime-ridden, is on the verge of dismantling its police department and starting anew with a force run by the county government.
City officials are making the move to increase the number of officers while keeping the cost the same by averting rules negotiated with a union that city officials have seen as unwilling to compromise.
Unless the union - which is skeptical of the stated motivations for the change - reaches a deal with the county, no more than 49 per cent of the city's current officers could join the new force and those that do will get pay cuts.
John Wilson, a 57-year-old unemployed baker who's lived in the city his whole life, thinks it's worth a try.
'The police in Camden clearly haven't been doing their job,' he said last week as he walked to his home in the Parkside neighborhood, which has seen six homicides since the start of 2011.
'Any change has to be better. It can't get worse now.'
Oh yes it can. Here's why:
Officials say there are about 170 drug markets operating in this city of 77,000 near Philadelphia, more than 700 people on parole and 600 registered sex offenders.
The murder rate is unthinkably high. In 2007, Newark attracted national attention for a record number of homicides.
As of Friday, there had been 47 murders this year. The city record of 58 was set in 1995.
One can only hope this is not a harbinger of what is coming to all American cash flow, not money dilution ability, ends. Sadly, for Camden there is no more hope.
The city has the nation's highest poverty rate with more than two residents in five living in poverty, census data show.
The big factories that once made Camden an industrial boomtown have been gone for a generation.
Over the past decade, revitalization efforts focused on expanding hospitals and universities, which brought some life to downtown but had a less discernible effect on neighborhoods where even the best-kept blocks have abandoned homes.
The city expects only $25 million of its $150 million next proposed budget to come from property taxes. Most of the rest is supplied by state aid - and that's declining.
Think massive ECB bailouts, which in the US are far more streamlined. As for the local residents who still are paying property taxes, it may be prudent to just take your real estate losses and move on. Or else...
In January 2011, the city government conducted massive layoffs, including nearly half the police department and about one-third of the firefighters.
Since then, all the laid-off public safety workers have been called back, but their numbers have fallen through attrition.
Now, there are 270 police officers, down from 450 in 2005 and 368 the day before the layoffs.
Police Chief Scott Thomson, who is slated to lead the Camden County Police Department's Metro Division, points to crime statistics for the two years before the layoffs that showed the crime declining.
He says it's because of intensive community policing efforts that came about when detectives were reassigned from desk jobs to patrols and the force was able to be more proactive.
With the smaller force, he said, walking and biking beats are used more sparingly.
In the meantime, the local cops are all preparing to bail as entitlement funding runs out
The Fraternal Order of Police lodge that represents Camden's rank-and-file officers is upset that they have not been presented with a formal plan.
Cappelli says officers in the new department would have base salaries that are the same or higher than what they make now - ranging from $31,000 for a rookie to about $80,000.
Officers' health insurance contributions would increase, and officers would also lose longevity and shift differential payments that combined can boost their pay up to 22 per cent.
The plan is to start hiring for the new force in October and have a mix of city and county police patrol the city during a training period before shutting down the city department sometime in the first few months of 2013.
The plan will not work. Good luck Camden: you will need it in your transformation to the first circle of US hell, soon to be joined by many more.
And here are some pictures of just what Dante would see in his modern descent into America.
Shocking crimes: A Camden police officer stands in the doorway of a home on August 22 in New Jersey's most impoverished city, where authorities say a 2-year-old boy was decapitated, apparently by his mother
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As long as they don't arm bears!
Why does it have such a high murder rate?
Some socialist cities in America like Chitcago don't allow the people to have arms only the criminals and cops have them.
N.J. senator pushes gun-control bill after Colo. shootings
He should move to Camden and use his mouth to protect himself
And don't forget our politicians. They are always "protected" from their peons by armed guards, cops or buildings.
...only the criminals and cops have them.
Kind of redundant
Fast be quick with your wit and mouth.
Fast talking got me out of trouble once or twice... even faster thinking had to hold it together while the wolves circle looking for weakness.
Leadpipe, chain and blade else would be worth it to get out of that Alley to the rest of your natural life, what little is measured in moments.
Now I am old and too tired to fuck with that shit. Wolves circle... they get plugged.
That genie ain't goin' back in the bottle!
Three wishes to the Genie, one of which will be another bottle.
"More?" says Oliver.
This will be the model for the rest. It will be interesting to see if the crime remains contained within the city, or if it starts spreading to the 'Burbs.
WHere in sam hill have you been these last 50 years?
Whole sections of the Nation that once was nothing but God's open country has been converted to big city problems by those fleeing the city.
It might become safer ! Do you really count on the government for your protection or anything important ? Self sufficiency, Bitchez !
Why do you always leave a space between the last word of your sentences and the punctuation mark?
The punctuation mark is supposed to go immediately after the last word. Like this.
Notice how I did that there, and here? This is how punctuation is supposed to be done.
AkakPunctuationJihadComedyTour2012
It should be fairly apparent by now that the elite want nothing more than to see the herd thinned dramatically. Vastly reducing or eliminating police forces in areas LIKE Camden, NJ fits the bill nicely. It won't take long for Americans to turn on one another as ethnic, socio-economic, religious and even political discord all act as catalysts for reduction by attrition, and the best part? .Gov doesn't even need to deploy troops only feign an interest in stopping the bloodshed. But hey, what can we do? We're broke, remember?
The cops in Camden weren't doing anything anyway. It is like they weren't even there. Every one of them is probably sitting on thier ass collecting a huge salary just waiting to use up 20 years to land a fat pension.
You think any of them would actually repsond to a call? They'll show up a half hour later to survey the damage and listen to the mother crying, "Oh my baby, why, why they shoot my baby."
They may not have been doing all that much, I agree, but their presence offered some small degree of deterrence for those who would otherwise be discouraged from randomly shooting people for fear of possibly being apprehended. If you think they were not at least in part responsible for deterring crime a bit, wait and see what happens when now.
My point is that by scaling back police forces as a result of "budgetary constraints" whether real or imagined, is a great way to open the pressure release valve and allow some expendable "riff raff" to off themselves in ever increasing numbers. At the end of the day, there are simply too many people doing to little to enrich the upper crust - on the contrary, they are taking what is rightfully the property of the 1%. Render unto Caesar....
agreed.
add to that the encouragement to go shopping (again), more flow of fiat in the system, but this time for guns 'n' ammo - and you have the perfect storm. . . "they" can get on with the high level looting, while the "citizens" of every hue commence to shoot 'em ups. . .
it's the Wild Wild West redux.
CAMDEN, N.J. —
A former Camden police officer has been sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for his role in planting drugs on suspects. Thirty-six-year-old Antonio Figueroa was convicted last year of conspiracy and depriving others of their civil rights.Three other former officers pleaded guilty in the case. All of them testified against Figueroa and still await sentencing.
http://www.foxreno.com/news/ap/crime/ex-nj-officer-gets-10-years-for-planting-drugs/nR5q2/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXCaT2JluI
This RT clip is pretty scary, entirely on Camden. Camden wishes they could look as good as a banana republic.
"It's messed up."
Go to google maps below and paste in the address then zoom all the way in and see a neighborhood in S Philly that is just as old or older then Camden just across the river:
http://maps.google.com/
Paste : 900 ritner Street, Philadelphia, PA
9th and Ritner is a palace compared to Camden.Italian hood for along time.No comparison.
I think the point is, look at the nature of the people and the community and compare/contrast the difference. South Philly is tough, but not deadly-rotten-to-the-core tough like Camden.
Pat's or Geno's?
Tony Luke's
from the report : "Camden used to build warships."
karma's a bitch. unfortunately, the corps have learned how to outrun it and leave those who find it hard to run as fast behind to collect the debt.
wake up amerikans, karma's a bitch and those who brought it to bear are gonna be long gone.
double posted--sorry
But here's a trailer for a film a local rapper has made about the plight of this unfortunate place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSaN64VnS8
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That would be better than you fucking shot my babies... what idatmadderwithya!
HANH? That is my baby...
There was a time long ago, big mammy on the block with a voice to match kept the peice.. uh, peace when the cement rats got riled.
If the "elite" want to thin the herd, why have they been paying slum girls to have out-of-wedlock babies for decades ? No, this is a beautiful image of socialism doing what it does best - enabling the worst of humanity to be even more irresponsible than they'd ever be if they actually had to work for their daily food.
Exactly. There are families that have been on welfare for three generations. Their kids either end up on welfare with babies they are not interested in taking care of or are in prison. The "elite" obviously have no intentions of cutting them off or demanding that they work for their welfare.
You guys are right re: socialism, etc. See my comment earlier in this thread for more reasons why the puppetmasters encourage this situation despite Agenda 21. Wrote it up there before I got down here.
Those same "slum girls" and their progeny have very nearly outlived their usefulness which was to allow for the ascension of a full blown socialist autocrat like Obama. In some respects, we agree what IT IS in nature, but believe me, their shelf life is dwindling as is the shelf life of a many classes of people who are deemed unworthy of the forthcoming Worker's Paradise.
Those "Slum Girls" as you called them, spent a half day with me in class when I was 7. Gave me a proper education and saved my life they did.
Course when you go home and use the very bad adult words in the proper context and syntax... the ass whipping is a sight to behold and pain to endure.
Those were not the suing for child abuse days either, your ass had sufficient padding for whatever punishment you required growing up.
The last time my father hit me, I laughed at him and told him do it again if he is ready to take it just the same as dishing it out.
It takes time to fullfill the master plan.Killing the dollar comes in many forms.Elites plan all along.
slum girlz immaculately conceive. . .
reverence.
SLUM...
and Shocking...
welcome to ....
LET'S BRING IN THE MUSLIMS AND USE SHARIA LAWS!!
I wanna be a warlord when I grow up! :)
Um yes.
I saw some muslim idiot on UK TV tell us how women who commit adultery should be punished with 25 lashes in public.
bailiff, whack his peepee.
I approve of the punishment, just not for the stated crime. How about 1 lash for every $5 worth of property stolen?
Holy Shit. How long will we be hitting Blankfein then?!
obama is working on that
Pres. Obama Slides Taliban Lawyer
into Top Spot at Justice Department
Democrats gone Wild.
Funny how drug dealers get arrested but bank/finance people get to post comments. Both are dealers in death.
The drug dealers aren't paying taxes, even if the bankers are paying 10% or less. Follow the money...
Can you imagine making drugs legal and having Tyrone fill out papers for his 100 lbs of cocaine?
Hey sorry man, you gots to fill out this 1099 for that dime bag I just sold ya.
If drugs were legal, who'd buy them from Tyrone? Could he compete with WalMart's volume pricing and ability to squeeze suppliers?
"The drug dealers aren't paying taxes"
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Bullshit. Not very familiar with how that "trade" works are you. They still work, pay taxes on fuel and all the other shit they need to deliver those drugs.
Bankers never even work, just print and steal via inflation.
Wake the fuck up, since the world switched to fractional reserve banking, bankers don't actually have to do and "due diligence" anymore (that is real work) instead they simply print, steal via inflation and then also buy your "representation" in order to make sure they can keep doing so. please, pull your head out of your ass.
double
Street tax to operate a designated leased area is expensive.
fractional reserve drug dealing - cutting the cocaine down to 5% purity.
And bankers pay taxes on the fuel for their yachts and private jets, and sin taxes on their Cristal, and sales taxes for their diamond-encrusted platinum money clips.
There is a great deal of money flowing from the Dealers to those who have the power to eliminate said dealer.
Oh look it's......Monrovia, Port-au-Prince, Mogadishu....I mean Detroit, Marseille, New Orleans, St. Louis. Where is General Buck Naked? Talk to him and straighten everything out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333465/Liberias-General-Butt-Na...
"More EBT cards and no one will get hurt."
How do you think most of them get the money for drugs?
EBT cards used at ATMs, more bitches, 40s, and crack.
America the Beautiful.
Now will you please rise for the singing of our national anthem!
Not quite yet.
Wait for Tin to pile up and the cardboard to quit shipping by the railcarload to china.
Then we see slumtown eh?
Beautiful! *MWAH!
Rio 2016 for all the world to see.
Looks like Camden will be the US "Favela". Drug king-pins can set up their own martial law and local government system. Not that that is completely bad; it would seem it is better than the current system.
no, industry....
no jobs.....
no "money".....
and no police.....
but everybody got plenty of guns...
Dow 36,000........
+1, working as intended.
the parasites are vacating the hosts, off to pastures new, spring lambs in other climes, hungry for suck-sess.
Bullish for U haul and Mayflower moving company
Bullish for bug out bags.
erm... bullish for body bags.
No no no no... those places got out after they learned to store the big trucks INSIDE theft Proof Warehouses and charge you a 1000 dollars per trip with a little dually box truck and 10 men to move a sofa in a week... mabye next week.
I'm not a racist per se .... especially in the classical comedy stereotype .... I do represent a thoughtful, concerned, growing citizen contingency that is suspicious that not all are pulling their weight ! SARC/through the roof
57 yr yr old resident states "Police clearly have not been doing their job".What my man should of said was"I live in a fuckin state that breaks balls to get a gun permit which really i cannot so i can protect myself",so i gots to rely on the nanny state mentality of cops being there.Fuck NJ,fuck NY and all the other nanny state mentality fucks.Fuckin police state anyway.
A Coach gun with percussion Caps is a fearsome sight to behold... never mind it is 160 year old technology.
Don't need much more than that in those 12 foot wide row homes built of proper concrete, brick and slate.
Sign of times to come.
And who said the Killing Fields was Cambodia?
Systematically killing large numbers of people is very hard work, but perhaps we'll see a new lazy watered-down half-assed fat-assed state-financed 40oz version...
Who might be mowing your grass for 10 bucks while casing your joint for a 40 man gang hit later in the evening.
Correction.. make that 39 men and one jailbait to keep you on the porch...
Why would I pay someone to mow my lawn?
Way cheaper than putting in valuable time on Zero Hedge or waiting on the shop bill that will be more than what the Walmart lawnmower is worth.
@Graham Summers: No place in Greece looks like Camden. Now comment on that...
So, if it is the deadliest city in a country of 300+MM, is the police force doing any good anyway?
Camden Hall of Shame
http://www.ci.camden.nj.us/city/members.html
They just need a little more time...
Some really skinny, underfed and malnourished poeple on those pictures. Tie their kankels down with a rope, else they may start floating.
Line from Bad Boys: "you some big Popeye-Chicken eatin' motherfucker, aren't ya?"
I don't see it that way.
I see em as incredibly fit, HUNGRY and M O T I V A T E D to chop off your rolls of fat and scalp your leather, suit or whatever else they can convert to something they need... and it is not to eat.
Send me your miserable hordes yearning to live in Camden NJ....
Make that send away the miserable hordes so that they make a brand new life in Camden, however short it may be.
I feel no sympathy for the thugs in blue who are being laid off. They have supported drug prohibition laws as a way of stealing from the people through civil forfeiture, and those laws have created the crime problem in Camden and many other places just like it.
If drug prohibition and other victimless crime laws were repealed these places would not have much more crime than anywhere else. The vast majority of the violence is due to the fact that those in the recreational drug industry are unable to settle disputes in a civilized manner due to prohibition, so those who are most able to settle them in an uncivilized manner rise to the top. If drugs were legal 90% of the crime in poor areas would disappear.
None of the crime would disappear. It would only get worse as 90% of the income available to the criminals would be wiped out. You think they would go get jobs? All of a sudden they wouldn't be able to afford nice white Escalades anymore, where is Tyrone going to get his scratch now. Not to mention the nice "bonus" the cops receive for running most of the drug operations. The ghetto trash would just turn to even more daring crimes, and the murder rate and burglary in surrounding areas would skyrocket. The people of the ghetto are closer to savage animals than human beings.
You also have to note that the birth rate in the ghetto is far higher than anywhere else in the country, kids for cash. By 2035 the minority population will rise to over 200 million or more based on the current birthrate. All dependent on the federal government and crime for a living.
You can see the future in almost every big city in America. Even some outer suburbs like Painesville, OH that has become a hotbed for illegal immigrants. The elementary school is now 80% Hispanic, with only a token number of those being able to speak English. The high school is only 30% Hispanic, as most of the children of the illegal immigrants haven't reached that age yet. The Elementary school is overflowing and they don't have enough space. If you follow the trend you end up with a school system and town nearly 100% Hispanic by the end of the decade.
These people aren't going anywhere and they will need to expand the area they occupy. Is it any wonder that the ghetto of America expanded dramatically right around 18 years after the implementation of the great society. Then again right around the same time after our first "Black" president, Mr. Clinton, was sworn in.
I would say that a lot of the crime would disappear. Maybe not overnight, but it would.
What the drug war has done is to not only enrich the most violent among us, and the state, but it also provides those who have broken the law with a big fat "not employable" tattoo on their forehead.
The allure of drugs partially stems from blowback to our prison centric society.
Once you enter that system, many options in life are wiped away.
Drugs, by being illegal, have a high markup. This leads many to maximize their risk reward by entering into it. Especially if other avenues are closed.
I agree that these blighted areas are certainly more violent and have fewer opportunities, but the drug war has absolutely decimated those in the ghetto.
Ending the drug war would be akin to putting down the shovel when trying to get out of the hole.
pods
confiscation laws, "not employable" realities, the reluctance of "landlords" to rent living spaces, etc. - almost guarantees the once imprisoned remain outside the "culture" and inside the parallel, working as intended. . .
particularly when one factors in the corporate for-profit prison system, agitating to become the new "employers" in amrka, paying pennies to the "workers" who live in cells subsidised by the taxed, all the while still accessing their "illegal" drugs even while inside (see-i-eh needs to make bux too), and volunteer military protect the source to keep the circle jerk flow. . .
it's a system. and it appears to be working as intended.
hey they need landscapers in Waite Hill I guess.
No, those are concrete pavers you seek.
Drugs a victimless crime? Do you know anybody who uses drugs? Have you seen what they do? If you really believe free access to drugs is a good thing you would move to the most drug infested neighborhood you can find.
The vast majority of problems due to drugs is due to the illegality of drugs.
The cost is maintained artificially high due to them being illegal. There is a stigma about using drugs in society, due to the illegality of them. Alcohol is a very destructive drug, and it is celebrated and advertised.
Those caught using or selling them are marked and forever are looked at as different in society. A record limits legal opportunities after use has stopped.
Most of the crime due to drugs is because of the drug war, not because of drugs.
And yes, I do know people who use drugs, both legal and illegal ones.
pods
I see drug-users all the time, happy-faced pharma-mind controlled consumers out driving their vehicles, tap-tappin' their i-devices, or ones with weird blue-teeth growths on their ears, constantly being fed useless info in order to exist, pod-pad folks imbibing bean juice at cute cafe tables streetside. . .
drug infested neighbourhoods? relative.
Great sarcasm. You really summed up the DARE and Reefer Madness propaganda well.
Wut? Only 47 murders so far this year? Isn't 47 the usual number of murders in Chicago in a weekend?
Per capita measurements perhaps?
What is one less or more?
In our way of life, one is too many.
Now the Chinese may view 47 deaths as a cleaning that is necessary to keep the river free of driftwood.
Does anyone remember the ending scene of Boiler Room when the paddy wagons and prison buses pull up to the JTMarlin headquarters to arrest everyone? Nothing is going to change until this happens for real at the White House and Federal Reserve headquarters! When the MASS ARRESTS occur and the Federal Reserve Note is replaced with real money, it's gonna be one hell of a party... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Aint gonna happen. Only hope is Americans wake up and do it themselves. Good old fashioned lynching.
I didn't suggest that foreigners or the DOJ was going make the MASS ARRESTS a reality. Not all Americans are lazy, toothless inviduals. Just listen to the Wilcox-Drake interview to get an idea of the Americans who will make the MASS ARRESTS a reality... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Yeah, you keep promising us those "mass arrests" --- with zero evidence.
But if it makes you happy to dream, keep dreaming ...
too many racist connotations and it's way too quick and painless for the offenders, same thing with guns (which also give Joomberg another opportunity to run his Nazi mouth on TV)
Pitchforks, hot tar & feathers, fire, or just a good ol' Texas Chainsaw Massacre would be more fitting, if you want racial, but not necessarily racist symbolism- go for a tire necklace...
In Gary,Indiana and south side Chicago,pictures are similar.
Sometimes I go down to Grant street in Gary just to eat at Harold's Chicken Shack.
Put a fence around it and let nobody in or out.
"Escape from Camden"
warriors; come out and pla-aaayyy....
Sheesh - I took a picture from a balcony overlooking a "slum" in Chennai, India that didn't look all that much more depressing than that last picture.
Thing is, Camden is probably only about 5-10 years, at most, ahead of most US cities.
I was actually thinking the same thing - looks like slums in India. The only difference is that, in India, I guess, you don't get a free check every month, and you don't get to hear jokes like "Yo mamma so fat..."
Same jokes in India but no crack.
No but you have the jokes about how they can conquer the world with sex.
If the Indian woman is that good, how come we never have those?
The only viable buisness in Camden was a 100 million dollar state prison that they tore down 10 years after building it to enhance the camden water front.
Bullish for baggy pants.
Do you know why Satan lives in Hell?
Because Camden was too tough a neighborhood for him.
well aren't the mayors all in jail for corruption?
who is running the city?
jb
wrong, they are all bundlers for Obama's campaign now. Maybe that is the govenors, hard to keep track of the corruption these days. Nothing changes until the moral hazard is addressed, period.
Crowd control in Camden .... helicopters scattering pink slime chicken biscuits ! Back in the day, we gave the slaves chicken backs, necks and gizzards with greens .... these liberals give them pink slime and Mountain Dew .... that's compassion !
This place makes Liverpool Toxteth look like paradise.
Eastside London, England would be right good show, eh wot?
When I was there, it was a tough place... Reeboks were rulez, everything else simply slowed you sufficiently for the hungriest and therefore slowest zombie to catch ya.
America's New Dark Age
First thought is martial law, but then aren't the National Guardsmen all in Afghanistan? (or soon will be in Iran?)
FEMA camps and internal deportations. Long live NDAA.
Relax and pull up a seat to watch the fireworks! After the MASS ARRESTS occur, the FEMA camps are going to be used on "them", not on "us"... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Long Favela-construction for inner cities.
Hopefully they'll be enough people to occupy them, as in the US, SUICIDE is now the #1 killer in America.
More Americans now commit suicide than are killed in car crashes as miserable economy takes its toll http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207089/56-million-suicide-prevention-programme-launched-study-reveals-Americans-lives-die-car-crashes.html#ixzz27Ow6xd8lIt is worse than that. Some car accidents are suicides.
Be forewarned-
Perhaps Barry & Bloomberg will arrange immigration visas for the Swiss nutbags who forced a referndum on gun control last year with the sales pitch reduce suicide, get guns out of private homes
A couple of years ago I saw the ballot for a referrendum in Switz about whether they would implement some very minimal gun control laws. The ballot had a flyer that described the motion and where the government stood on the issue.
This one the government wanted the people to vote no on the gun control measure.
I was happly surprised to see something like that, where a government wanted the people to NOT give any more power to it.
pods
The Federal government wasn't so anxious to refuse more power last week, when the issue of increasing the Federal Authority over smoking prohibition went to a vote (the current system allows individual Cantons to impose stricter regulations than the minimal Federal standard, but only fascist frogs exercise the option). Only about 1/4 of the population smokes, but 2/3 of voters rejected the power grab... (but then turnout was only 42% which a few points below average)
There's at least a few non-smokers left here who still put principle over convenience, or are just rabid anti-federalists.
time to raze houses and plant gardens, eh
They have done that, and you know what the F-ed up part about this is? Their not even showing you the really bad part near Cooper Medical. The streets are all pot holed badly with no future plans to repair them, some houses are literally falling on the sidewalks in some cases and people walking down the street in 90 degree weather with parkas on for some reason?
Be advised, because Detroit is actually as bad or worse than this.
Mad Max bitchezz. Lock and Load!
America's ideals have not failed .... we imported a tad too much wretched refuse than we could digest !
Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim
Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."
"It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."
Sources:
7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES
On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance.
(1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.
(2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).
(3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).
(4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).
(5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).
(6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)
(7) "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her."
Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).
(8) "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)
New York Times, Washington DC
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005
The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
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there we go with those pesky definitions that make the "laws" up. . .
"CITIZEN" "state" "Nation" "District of" ohhh, we could all add to the list.
right??
People, Person, Right
I'm going to put a herb garden on my toilet tank lid ! It's already growing around the base .... I'm just going to spatula it up into a take out tray and put it where I can access it easier ! Do your part !
thinking of building aquariums and fitting them for growing beds for an aquaculture system. should be available for an ipo in about a year I should think...
sorry, aquaponics
I'm growing mint, assorted mushrooms and edible molds, bean sprouts and cilantro .... easy no fuss stuff .... if you aim a little high .... you fix nitrogen and irrigate at the same time !
toilet cheese? meh, I don't think so. Smegma sandwich anyone?
The blob's Qinfinity pension guarantee is worth what, the digital script printed on the wall street teleprompter?
Fuck the Police! They are never there when you need them anyway. I wish they would fire the Police in my City and give me a tax rebate. I would go buy a gun, post my no trespassing signs and take care of business. The reason the Police are so prevasive is nobody wants to take care of themselves and let criminals take adfvantage of them. Shot a couple of intruders in the city and the bastard will think twice before breaking into your crib. Police hassle taxpayers more than they hassle criminals because the honest taxpayer is EZ quarry for them and less dangerous to give a speeding ticket than shakedown a criminal.
I got attacked leaving a restaurant, was taking care of business and got arrested because I didn't see the Cop or hear his order to disengage. I'm the one that got maced and arrested for assaulting a police officer when I was the one being assaulted. FUCK THE POLICE. I beat the charge when I showed the judge pictures of what the PIGS did to my face and my wife testified I was protecting her from an assailant. They wouldn't listen to her because they were to busy macing and beating on me while the two guys who accosted me walked away. All because I was so focused on protecting my wife and I didn't see nor hear the Police command. FUCK THE POLICE. I hope they fire every one of them, give me a tax rebate and I'll go get my Glock.
I gaurantee the cities would become much safer without psycho-'roided unbalanced Police hassling us.
FUCK YOU OFFICER JACKASSED UP ON STEROIDS!!!!
While I'm at it:
Fuck the TSA
Fuck the FBI
Fuck the CIA
Fuck the ATF
Fuck the IRS
Let's keep the State Police. They are usually professional, courtious and protect the traveller.
Here's an article from last week were the Police shot, and kille, an 83 year old women who had called the 911 to report an intruder. THEY SHOT AND KILLED HER.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/sep/20/2/woman-fatally-shot-altavista-police-officer-ar-2220174/
That is hilarious. You spend 10 minutes making your case for the indifference and brutality of the police, then ruin your own argument at the end with your state police statement.
It is okay, you can be a normal person and realize that the police are there to protect the rules government sets forth. Oh, and to raise money as well.
Ask yourself this, do the state police abide by any different SOPs than any other law enforcement agency?
You could have at least said county sheriffs, as they are historically the highest level of law enforcement in a county.
pods
New Jersey State Police protecting and serving: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/a_long_wait_for_justice_three.html
The State Police do exercise a higher degree of professionalism in comparison to the city police. I live by an interstate and the interstate needs to be Policed.
In the city I can protect myself if giving the tools (right) to do so. When I was brutalized, then arrested, by the Police I spent a night in lock-up also and had to post a $12,000 bond. They had to arrest me to cover their fuck-up. I was in combat with two scum bags, who had accosted my wife, fighting them off when the cops appeared, maced me and held me down before finding out what was going on.
I was suffering the effect of having mace released 4 inches from my eyes, freaking out because I didn't know they were cops because I was blind and they never annouced themselves. My assailants saw the cops but my back was to the cops while I was in combat and I thought I was having success protecting my wife and I. I assholes who attacked us were backing up because they saw the cops, I guess. I was grabbed, maced twice, cuffed and thrown to the ground. My wife speaks English as a second language and was having a hard time trying to explain they had the wrong person.
They charged me with assaulting a ploice officer, a felony, but everyone knew they were full of shit because they dropped the charges without prejudice before I was through my first paragraph in front of the judge.
Police are leeches, doing the job because it allows them to rage on innocent people and use excessive force on law breakers and get paid for it. They never drug tested even though I work for the same City and I get random testing. The Police weren't always so agressive. I am convinced most cops on the street are jacked on steroids which is a felony unless they have a prescription. I think every cop ought to be tested for steroids just like Lance Armstrong and if come out positive, FIRED IMMEDIATELY. Police on illicit drugs are a danger to society.
I am not picking on you for your being victimized by the police.
But your argument falls flat when you can describe one type of legal force monopoly as unjust, but turn around and justify another.
Like every single voter who rails about corrupt politicians, except their own.
Did you see Randall's story right above yours? These were state police. They are no better, or worse than any other law enforcement agency.
It is the monopoly on force and the unwritten rules they operate under that make them a problem, as well as their authority over behavior where nobody has been violated. (consensual sodomy)
Most police are not behaving like they are because of steroids or other "illicit" drugs. They behave like that because they can. It is a side effect of authority.
If there is one thing that I have taken from my black friends, it is that DWB is the norm.
And I for one do not look forward to that day when I am in their targeted group.
The police have too much power and authority because they have been given the unjust authority to regulate private behavior where no trespass has occurred. No victim, no crime.
Now we have crimes that deal with what goes on inside one's head more so than the actual physical act of violence perpetrated. Or crimes against the state, and even crimes committed by property (civil forfeiture)
This is tyranny.
pods
I agree with you and see your point disagreeing with my juxtaposition. I do think most cops are drug (steroid) addicts because they were never so aggressive, in my memory, even in the worst of days. That is just my opinion. I say drug test them all. It would be the easiest way to get rid of them. State Police don't bother me because I, usually, don't break the law when I am on the road and even when I do and get caught fair and square I just get a ticket and am on my way. That hasn't happened for many years (knock on wood). What bothers me is a PIG that will put his hands on you, assault, for no legitimate reason and totally get away with it. They will shoot a 83 year old Grand Ma like a dog and get away with it. I am not arguing. THIS IS TYRANNY. I saw that during OWS. Even here in my small city. Arresting reporters crossing the street. Arresting anyone outside of the "free speech zone". Putting a curfew on a free speech zone so they can arrest you. I'm not going to buy a gun while the Police have a right to use a gun. It is like asking for a death sentence.
I grew up across the street from a police officer. Or might I say a peace officer. A gentleman and very kind. When we as kids used to see a cruiser coming down the street we all rode our bikes up and escorted him, because we knew who it was. A simpler time.
Now, police are federalized and armed better than many armies of the world. Scary really. I am older now and do not draw attention, I drive like a grandpa but it scares me to think of what it would be like nowadays when an outdoor party is busted or you happen to be black and get pulled over.
Even in my small town there are a good percentage of the cops that I would call "jack boots", and they are not to be trifled with.
I am with you that they should not have so much power, and until that changes we can never go back to where we were. Surely my thoughts are romanticized, and I am sure that there has always been abuses, but it seems that now things are front and center. Scary looking cars, half the force in unmarked cars, intimidating cops who wear glasses (you cannot have personal contact with someone whose eyes are hidden) etc.
Unfortunately, I do not see this situation being remedied, as there is more and more clamor for security, safety, etc. People are nowhere as independent than they used to be. A symbol of the system we are in I suppose.
Keep your head down and your powder dry.
pods
We used to run from cops when I was a juvenile and even older. I would get caught but, never treated like I see people getting treated today. Now the Police try and rip your arms out of their sockets as they slam you to the ground on your face.
I'm not saying all cops are assholes either.
I've had one tell me "we are offering breathalizer test as a courtesy to motorist tody (July 4th). Would care to take one?" I asked "And if I decline?". He said "Your on your way!". I said "No thank you Officer, I decline." He said " Have a nice day".
I shit you not!
That was before 911. Now the worm has turned.
Those, more seasoned, geezer officers are rare these days.
Most of them just want to smash your face in just for the hell of it.
I have actually had them pull me over because I signalled, changed lanes and ended up in front of them! Pardon me for interrupting your flow officer jackass. He said " You saw me right behind you." I said " I can assure you; if I saw you in my rear veiw mirrow I wouldn't have changed lanes." He said "I had to slow down!!!" Not that I did anything wrong. He was most likely going 60 mph in a 45 mph zone. My wife said "He didn't anything wrong, you were speeding". He, begrudgingly, let me go after a deep probe of my papers.
I know what your saying about the old days but, it's a whole new world (order) out there. My motto is "Never leave the house".
Your Trooper City Cop comparision can be sumed up like this.One is a cop,the other is a tar jockey.
I don't know... I made several wait when I finished dinner.
I cheerfully paid the fine; and was on my way. But they were... put out waiting for me to come out to issue the parking ticket.
That was one ticket and story I had fun adding to my experiences.
County deputies (at least used to) know they were inherently out-manned and out-gunned in non suburban counties.
County deputies still know that if they go too far, it will reflect poorly on their boss and might spur more competition at the ballot box.
The problem is is now the fucking-fat-ass-overpaid-gestapo-deputies are UNIONIZED, so they have to go FUBAR before they're eligible for termination instead of just crossing the line and trampling civil rights.
(some counties still have the decency and common sense to maintain at least some non-unionized volunteer deputies)
Paging Governor Christie... paging governor Christie... there's a clean up for your fat ass in Camdon...
truth hurts I know. Grow the fuck up sheeple and recognize that humanity is the fucking ponzi and nothing changes until the moral hazard is addressed. Stupid fucking sheep will get exactly what they vote for and right now there is only one party; for the banks and financial houses, by the banks and financial houses and Christie is just another fucking puppet.
What does Christie have to do with this? I'm sure since we live in a society where there's no civility, formality, or taking responsibility for anything the governer could always pull a Barry Choomwagon and claim he "inherited" a "budget deficit" and "high crime problem in Camden."