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Confirming US Dumbification, Verbal SAT Scores Just Hit Record Low

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All we can say is that the need for the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too has never been greater. At least the data below explains why the Chairsatan will soon monetize SAT scores and his infatuation with morer, greaterest QEternity+1...



And forward to the 1:00 mark for the big (small) unveiling...



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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:42 | 2824719 knukles
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Don't listen to those conspiracy theorists... the kids are just fine...


...for flipping burgers


Maybe we oughta give those teachers a raise....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824738 slaughterer
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Only literacy needed is to fill out

1.) a student loan application

2.)  an ATT/Verizon iPhone contract

3.) an unemployment form

The rest can be forgotten.  

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:46 | 2824754 knukles
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Astounding success of the No Dimwit Left Behind Program.


Equality, social justice, harmony, diversity....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2824771 francis_sawyer
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SAT scores & Credit Report scores are in a race to the bottom...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824790 flacon
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What's worse, a kid who can't read, or a PhD graduate of an Ivy Leage university who can't reason?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:12 | 2824878 Richard Chesler
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Clearly the test is racist.

Yes we can!


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:17 | 2824900 Mark Carney
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Here in Edmonton a teacher was recently fired for handing out Zero's for marks.  He has been teaching for 40 years, times have changed I guess???


No Childz left behind, were all winnerzz!!!!!!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:23 | 2824934 seek
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No child left behind -- we'll all stay stupid, together.


I was talking to a psychologist about this issue just a couple months ago, and she had a really good point: virtually all of the things happening in education revolve around eliminating consequences, and as a result, there's no reinforcement for learning. Fast forward to these students being "adults," and you end up with people still expecting no consequences for not showing up to work, stealing, or other crimes. It's a fucking recipe for stupid people who do really destructive things without thought.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:33 | 2824981 Cow
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Single parent homes frequently have no consequences also.  No dad to tell the kids that if they keep harassing the 70 yr old neighbor, he'll put a boot up their rear.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:42 | 2825026 THX 1178
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After the big reset, most of these American kids will be working in factories/warehouses, etc. So whats the big deal?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:46 | 2825041 economics9698
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The integration of our schools was a brilliant idea, why the Yids probably thought of it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:57 | 2825102 Stackers
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Cant wait till everyone is sporting the latest Derelicte fashions

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:38 | 2825249 killallthefiat
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I have a very hard time believing that from 1977 to 2004, there was no loss.  Must be the recentering.  Oh yeah, worse than we thought!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:13 | 2825366 SilverIsKing
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What have the math scores done over the same period?  There are so many factors that one could attribute to the change and yes, a major one is likely the fact that kids aren't taught shit in schools, but it may not be the only factor for lower scores.  If it is the case, shouldn't the math scores also be in decline?  Let's see 'em!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:31 | 2825444 Doug Eberhardt
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Math scores may look better because our kids calculators don't go as high as $1 trillion...(technically 100 billion, but you get the picture)... Have to keep it "simple math."

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:20 | 2826004 AldousHuxley
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have you turned on the TV lately?

TV caters to average masses and they have been showing dumber and dumber shit to cater to dumber and dumber viewers.


meanwhile, smart children of asian immigrants are going back to 3rd world Asia because there are better opportunities there than America with retarded religious military voting public who hate education but loves walmart.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:48 | 2826098 FEDbuster
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In the same time period the FED took the dollar from 120 down to 75 (DXY), so the dollar is dropping faster than SAT scores.

"The FED devalued the dollar by 97% in it's first hundred years, the next 97% won't take as long." Dr. Marc Faber

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:44 | 2825035 economics9698
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Diversity is our strength. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 15:34 | 2829166 Kobe Beef
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"Ignorance is Strength."




Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:17 | 2825617 Citxmech
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I dont know Cow,

My mother didn't need any help from anyone putting a boot in my ass if/when the need arose.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:47 | 2825047 Lost My Shorts
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I hate to be a sourpuss, but these data on trends in SAT scores are notoriously meaningless.  Two factors make them more useless than a BLS report:

1) The number of kids taking the test has gone up a lot over the decades.  Many take it now who don't belong in college and would have gone straight to well-paid union jobs in the local plant 35 years ago.  The easiest way to raise scores would be to let only smart kids take it.

2) You have no way to be sure the test is equally difficult now vs. 35 years ago.  Probably it's easier now, so the real decline is even greater (but see (1)).

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:55 | 2825094 economics9698
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Why don’t you do some teaching and reading of student papers?  Or step into a classroom where it is total chaos.  The schools have been declining since the 50s. 

The Yids took over, brainwashing, integration, 85 IQ violent kids with the 100 IQ kids. 

Send your kids to a inner city school, see what happens.

The kids are brainwashed, have low skills, and expect $150,000 jobs when they graduate.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:29 | 2825642 Lost My Shorts
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I wouldn't disagree that schools are a mess, but back in the '70s (when the chart starts), they called it the blackboard jungle.  In the '80s, working hard in school = acting white = bad.  Now it's "total chaos".  I suspect nothing much has really changed with inner city schools in 40 years except the color commentary.  Meanwhile, wealthy suburban schools have been consistently fine.

I don't date to the '50s.  (When they used to sing, "Don't know much about history.  Don't know much biology.  Don't know much about the French I took.  Never heard of the SAT.")  But there was never any golden age in my lifetime, exept in imagination.  The big change is, with all blue-collar jobs outsourced, a lot more kids are told to take the SAT because that's the only path to a decent job.  (Not really but they are told that.)  If they knew the truth -- that if they study real hard they can maybe work for Mitt Romney at Staples for $8-something per hour -- no doubt they would study harder.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:02 | 2825125 Zadok
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The test probably missed evaluating Ebonics! The scores could be so much higher! /sarc off

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825149 tickhound
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So.... you calling a bottom?  Or do we still have further to fall

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:24 | 2825211 francis_the_won...
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Unlike certain markets, at least SAT scores can't go to zero.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:26 | 2826019 cynicalskeptic
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Actually SAT scores CAN go to zero - in the original version, you'd start out with 200 for signing your name - and lose a quarter point for wrong answers....  

problem is that scores were tanking so they RECENTERED the tests in 1995 which is why scores on the graph are going up for a while

'How to lie with statistics' - a real world example.  And of course everyone - especially the educators - conveniently 'forgot' they changed the scoring basis and started touting 'improvements'' in SAT scores.   


Reality is that the top 10% of kids in the US are amazing - bright and talented and capable of changing the world.  I'm blown away at my kids and their friends.  They are smarter than we were and have acccess to things we could never dream of.  There are programs for them  - like the Johns Hopkins CTY program and SIG - that I would've killed for.  Problem is that programs for really brigbht kids are usually limited to better off dischool districts or private schools.  So we are failing many bright kids who aren't well off and living in such places.

As a counterpoint - even in the best off places, 15% of the kids are FAILING by any measure.   Mommy and Daddy in better off districts aren't home to teach them how to read but bail them out- keeping them from dropping out - even geting them into college (and making sure they stayout of jail) but ultimately these kids are going nowhere - even though starting out with EVERY ADVANTAGE  The private school kid out tagging or caught with a joint gets 'adjurned for contemplation' while the black or hispanic public school kid gets a record.

The middle 75% are having mixed results - and this is in better off school districts - the 'best' we have in public education.  Meanwhile for most kids - parents are working and barely aware of what their kdis are doing.   You don't have many parents around raising their kids anymore - and many of those around are doing little parenting. 

Frighteningly - too many public school districts themselves are failing and in horrid shape,  The kids there are almost doomed to failure.  My youngest made friends with a girl from Central California last summer while attending a G&T program.   She was there on scholarship - it was the one thing she looked forward to all year.  Her father was a meth addict, mother barely getting by... she was in a failing school that offered little for her. ONE teacher made it possible for her to get into this program - she would never have even heard of it otherwise.  She was trying NOT to fall into the morasss but you get the feeling it was a losing battle.   I've read too many articles in local papers while out west on vacation about the problems in local schools... vividly remember one piece by a local teacher in the Dakotas BEGGING kids not to fall into the meth addiction trap.....    talked to one woman just back from Iraq who was working three p/t jobs whole tryiong to get a college degree....  another in Utah - a waitress, county treasurer as well whose husband held 3 jobs 95 between them including Army Reserve) to try and hold onto a small ranch......   while back home a friend's cousin just left the 101st with a blown back - glad as hell he's out afer 9 deploymnets in a dozen years the Army was the best future he could hope for after making it through parochial schools in the Bronx - college was unaffordable for him.  A SIL taught in Bronx public schools for 4 years - dealing with HS kids who could barely read much less do math.   So even those that work hard and are trying are faced with an uphill battle.   Even those that do 'OK'... my brother is in NC.   His kids are - farnkly - dumb as rocks because their public schoiols suck.  My kid in Kindergarten could read better than his could in 3rd or 4th grade (and his were getting awards for reading).  Was a waste sending them to third rate colleges for useless degrees.

It's almost as if we were TRYING to destroy our youth.  No parents home to raise them.  Schools are funded by local property taxes so he well off get 'good' schools and the restget what they pay for... usually NOT so good.   Most kids are left without guidance - falling for the BS touted by the media - thinking they can be sports stars, the next 'American Idol' or get rich hitting LOTTO.....     

And even the brightes find themselves 'bought off' or co-opted.  Some are clearly tools and following Dadddy's footsteps into Wall Street but others get pulled off course.  I remember talking to a girl - black, from Brooklyn, going to U of Chicago.  She was a quite talented - had gone to one of NYC's prefoprming arts high schools.  But she was going to study Economics at Chicago....   AARGH... 'You DO know what's come out of Chicago's Economics department, right?....'       Read 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man' by Perkins..... prep, Ivy, Peace Corp to tool of the multinationals......

Some keep their soul.  Know one brilliant kid who loives the outdoors - into science.  Refuses to think of studying geology.... I'd have to work for oil companies or mining companies....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 23:37 | 2826896 Schmuck Raker
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:08 | 2825151 AGuy
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"in college and would have gone straight to well-paid union jobs in the local plant 35 years ago.t does not .."

35 years ago, there was no computer automation at manufacturing plants. Today, almost all plants have computer automation. Factory workers need to be able read and comprehend to operate the machines. I also want my plumber, my electrician and my mechanic to be able read the installation\replacement\repair instructions.

"The easiest way to raise scores would be to let only smart kids take it."

<sarcasm> You mean kids living in Asia? Outsource SAT testing taking to China? </sarcasm>  The easiest way to raise test scores is to simply dumb down the tests, which I have no doubt is in the works.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:22 | 2825631 Citxmech
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The plumber that installed our tankless water heater couldn't get the thing to work.  I had to troubleshot his installation for him - the idiot hooked up the water lines backwards.  Note - this thing had f'n arrows on it showing the flow directions.

Idiocracy was apparently a documentary.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 15:19 | 2829087 Kobe Beef
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Check the heater again, that's not water. It's got electrolytes!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:45 | 2825497 gmj
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The smart kids don't have time to take your stupid test.  They're too busy texting.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:58 | 2825108 Zadok
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Simple observation confirms this premise very nearly without exception!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:36 | 2825241 stormsailor
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first cursive and now zadok.  never knew there were so many andrew jackson fans

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:40 | 2825247 Glasnost
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This is exactly why I don't plan on sticking here much longer regardless of how 'offensive' moving might be to some people.  As much as one might love one's country etc. etc., there comes a time when it's time to leave.  Anybody that left Rome when the first Emperor came to power was not stupid.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:54 | 2825532 Liquid Courage
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... Zero's for marks. Since "zero" is capitalized and clearly in the possessive rather than the plural form, I assume you must be referring to Zero Mostel ... but what possesion of Zero's was the teacher handing out? You don't say. Why do you think the plural of zero needs an apostrope, while the plurals of mark, year and time do not? The humble apostrophe seems to have become an impenetrable mystery these days.

Also, He has been teaching for 40 years, times have changed I guess??? is not a question, but a declarative statement. As such, it should end with a period, not a question mark (never mind three question marks). Style-wise, it might've been better as two sentences.

Unless they are dates, numbers should be written out; thus, forty, not 40.

Three major errors in two short sentences would have earned you a big fat "F" in my day. It's a slippery slope, and we're all on it to one degree or another ... myself included.


If you want a bit of a shock, check out this exam for eighth grade students from 1895.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:41 | 2825692 cnsteph
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Unless they are dates, numbers should be written out; thus, forty, not 40.

This is dependent on the style of writing in which you subscribe.  For example, the American psychological Association (APA format) is quite specific on the following:

1. The numbers 1 through 10 are expressed in words.  All others greater than 10 are expressed in numerals (2,493 rather than two thousand four hundred and ninety three, as you suggested).

2. Numbers that immediate precede a unit of measure are expressed in numerals. (a 5-mg dose)

3. Numbers that represent statistical or mathematical functions, fractional, or decimal quantities, percentages, ratios, percentiles, and quartiles are written as numbers.  (multiplied by 5)

4. Numbers that represent time, dates, ages, scores, and points on a scale, exact sums of money are also written as numerals. (1hr 34 min., 2-year-olds, scored 4 on a 7-point scale).  Exceptions: Use words for approximations of numbers of days, months, and years (about three months ago).

5. numbers that denote a specific place in a numbered series, parts of books and tables, and each number in a list of four or more numbers.  (Grade 8, Table 3, row 6)

Feel free to look it up:
American Psychological Association.  Publication manual of the American Psychological Association.  Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.  ISBN: 978-1-4338-0561-5.


P.S.  The same rules are taught in college for writing courses.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 22:22 | 2826720 Liquid Courage
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Fair enough. Unlike the vast majority of this "sweetheart society", I have no objection to being corrected - or being provided more complete information - when I'm wrong ... or incomplete. Is that not how one learns and improves oneself? Thus, I thank you for the reference.

But did you see that 1895 exam? Oh we're so damn smart we can't stand ourselves.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 06:32 | 2827186 cnsteph
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Yes, Liquid.  I did see it.  It's one of the many reasons why I homeschool my two boys. 


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 23:40 | 2826907 Abbie Normal
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Not even one question about world history in that exam, and in 120 years it seems not much has changed.  After moving to the U.S.A., I was shocked that an entire school year of history class could be devoted to teaching state history.  By grade 5 in Canada, we were learning about 1st world, developing nations and 3rd world countries.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:41 | 2825023 JohnKozac
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No one axed you, Richard.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:12 | 2824880 trebuchet
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kid who cant read coz he'll never get a job.

at least PhD grad will get a job teaching   :-)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825028 Fredo Corleone
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So long as they have been taught how to correctly hold a pen, and are thus able to make their mark on a SNAP application, the public education system can still claim success.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825148 CunnyFunt
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Hold a pen? What's that? Isn't there an APP for SNAP?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2824885 Pladizow
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US public schools were designed to create two things: Soldiers and Employees!

Hence, the above chart.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2824902 john39
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and just to be sure... add copious amounts of heavy metals (lead and mercury) to vaccinations and food (corn syrup is loaded with mercury).....   some fluoride in the water, and GMO's everywhere, and you have acheived the perfect zombie population... 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:42 | 2825480 Esso
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Those downvotes you got are frightening, especially here at ZH. WTF?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:52 | 2826118 fattail
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:35 | 2824985 Jack Burton
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+100 Pladizow.  I went to school many years ago and standards where much higher then and school was run like boot camp. But it was clear what it was all about. Soldiers and Employees, 90% of what went on in school was amined soley at that outcome. In fact, I went to the military 1 day after highschool graduation night, I was still drunk from grad party when put on the plane to San Diego! From our school, I fit so seamlessly into boot camp it was as if little had changed except I slept in a different bed and had new friends.

Today we have really let standards drop, but mindless soldiers and employees with only the skills needed to serve is basically what schools want.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 01:18 | 2827008 lasvegaspersona
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I liked you better when you had nice tits (hey I know its teats and the style book says....but this is the INTERNET (screamed like 'Sparta")

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:11 | 2825357 Uncle Remus
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:14 | 2825788 Slightly Insane
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Both are commonplace in the new "transformed" United Stooges of Amerika.  Why do you think they want to shut down the homeschooling movement?  (They need everyone to play in the game, even though they still pay to fund a school system with fewer students).  Schooling today is advanced "Indoctrination", all brought to you by your friends (or fiends) in the Government.  It used to be called "brainwashing".

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824801 FoxMulder
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Brawndo's got what plants crave - It's got Electrolytes!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:04 | 2825137 exi1ed0ne
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"After several hours, Joe finally gave up on logic and reason and simply told the cabinet that he could talk to plants and that they wanted water. He made believer out or everyone."

That movie should have been called Nostradamus.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:25 | 2825190 dwayne elizando
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They're actually indexed to t bond yields. They'll rise when we default.

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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:52 | 2824785 Bicycle Repairman
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That squiggly thingy in the box -- is that some kind of art or did your pencil slip?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:51 | 2825064 Rattling Bones
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Obviously a successfully completed final exam of "connect the dots"; congratulations to the new graduate.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:56 | 2825097 Watauga
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Just think how bad things would look if you took away the top 1% of scores and left only the bottom 99%. . .   wait a minute, where have I seen those percentages before?

If the gap between rich and poor is growing every day, the gap between smart and less-than-smart is growing at about the same pace.  If you child applies to any of the top, say, 40 colleges and universities in America, he will find that he had better have a 4.30+ GPA and SATs of 700/700/700+.  It is insanely difficult to get into a top 40 school or even top 50 school nowadays--unless you are black, hispanic, or part of some other disadvantaged minority--then a 3.70 and 600/600/600 or less will do fine.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824746 Precious
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Inversely proportional to English teachers' compensation.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:57 | 2824793 hedgeless_horseman
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Inversely proportional to English teachers' compensation spell check and grammer check usage.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:01 | 2824850 Schmuck Raker
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This is all Big Bird's fault.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:21 | 2824925 knukles
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Big Bird didn't do that himself



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:43 | 2825033 tickhound
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No way to prevent this crash as NO ONE saw this coming... NO ONE predicted or could've fathomed it!  We need to DO SOMETHING!  


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:11 | 2824870 Biosci
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You were being ironic with "grammer," right?  (+1 for the proper use of plural possessive, though)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:15 | 2824890 hedgeless_horseman
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It only took 15 minutes for someone to notice.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:26 | 2824950 Biosci
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That's me: slow and pedantic.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:38 | 2825008 hedgeless_horseman
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Strunk and White would approve.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:24 | 2824940 otto skorzeny
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they need to be just smart enough to pull a trigger on behalf of our Israeli masters

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:51 | 2825069 madcuban
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Don't worry, Orwell taught us that New speak will make everything better.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:04 | 2825135 Ignatius
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Whew... Just got back from racing through the comments and not one mention of the work of John Taylor Gatto.

Hint:  Our schools are shitty by design.

Hint:  What's the only other common reference to 'school'?  Right a school of fish.  A fin goes this way and a thousand other fish turn the same way.  Result:  Common reaction to authority, etc..

Hint:  Why aren't 'the active literacies' (public speaking and writing) taught outside of elite private schools?  Because those that can express their discontent with clarity and eloquence are a threat to the corporate status quo.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:15 | 2825609 piceridu
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JTG's book An Underground History of American Education affirmed our reasoning for yanking our kids out of the public school system over 13 years ago.
What a masterpiece that book is. The problem is, now with verbal SAT scores where they are, who can read it?


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 02:34 | 2827052 cheetahbaby
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Audio books.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:33 | 2825877 FreedomGuy
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Let's chart the scores along with teacher pay and benefits. Put public school funding on there, as well.  Do you think teacher pay and school funding is dropping proportionately? I think we should immediately double all pay and let them retire at 40 at full pay. I bet SAT scores would go up one or two percent! Remember, poor performance is always, always, always because of not enough money. Union rule #1.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:35 | 2826470 are we there yet
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Both teachers and kids are less bright than 50 years ago, but they are more politically correct, fair, equal, and entiteled. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:41 | 2824721 Pairadimes
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Looks like our test scores need the Fed treatment too.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:45 | 2824750 slaughterer
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Out of curiosity, how does the Math SAT chart look? 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824783 Stoploss
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Exactly like the economy.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824795 HelluvaEngineer
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Not sure.  Only 5% of Americans can interpret a chart.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824797 BliptoP3
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Sorry, DOE can't figure out how to do the chart thingy with negative numbers.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:41 | 2824724 ceedub
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Looks like it starts really trending down when they changed the format of the test and removed the analogies.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:47 | 2824730 knukles
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What's an anallogie?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:48 | 2824765 JPM Hater001
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If I were to say that spitting on a cracker is not the same as champaign on your balls would that help?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2824769 JPM Hater001
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For those publically trained individuals in the audience I will explain...

My wife wont eat the cracker.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2824768 hannah
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an 'analogies' is a comparison of two simialr assholes..kinda like ombama and rohmney.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:30 | 2824804 akak
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(duplicate post due to ZH glitch)


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:06 | 2824828 akak
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(ZH glitch --- not my fault!)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:58 | 2824833 akak
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It's spelled "anal orgies", and I hear AnAnnoyingMouse is a master in the field (as long as they take place on a Chinese roadside).

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:08 | 2825152 Urban Redneck
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A couple more years of tinkering with the test methodology and scoring and he'd get an 800.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:50 | 2824773 trebuchet
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anal-logie   gettit??? coz when they took the BS out we all started to red bettar

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:21 | 2825201 petolo
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Isn,t that a type of algorithm ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:43 | 2824734 Robot Traders Mom
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Zerohedge is to news, as Fox is to a pile of shit 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:12 | 2824879 Sisyphus
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Honey Mooo Mooo is to Redneckognize, as Justin Beiber is to Canuckinize.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:26 | 2824952 unionbroker
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i resemble that remark

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:45 | 2824749 duo
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now if all questions were 140 characters long or shorter....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2825077 Urban Redneck
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The chart does not even appear to take into account all the "Stupid Compensation" that they started putting in in the 90's to make the retards feel good.

If 800 was the top of the chart in the late 80s, then it is actually off the charts now

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:29 | 2825225 paulbain
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Urban Redneck wrote:

The chart does not even appear to take into account all the "Stupid Compensation" that they started putting in in the 90's to make the retards feel good.

If 800 was the top of the chart in the late 80s, then it is actually off the charts now

This comment is the best in this thread of discussion. In the early nineties, the company that administers standardized tests simply added 80-100 points to all SAT scores. If you remove that superfluous addition, then these scores are abjectly low.

-- Paul D. Bain







Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:42 | 2824725 Robot Traders Mom
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My son just took the test as part of his GED requirements...Probably the reason. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:50 | 2825061 Tsunami Wave
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I thought he'd still be out with his favorite level-3 uncle of yours on that overly-extended camping trip.... So he's back?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:43 | 2824726 vast-dom
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just make the maximum combined score of SAT 1000 and problem solved. and who says you even need math or english (or food shelter clothing etc) when the central planners can do it all for you.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:42 | 2824728 ParkAveFlasher
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Time to make the SATs easier.  Fixed!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:59 | 2824837 Winston Churchill
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They already did that a few years back.

That Qualifying Easement has worn off.

Dumberer and dumberer..

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:21 | 2824920 Winston Churchill
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They already did that a few years back.

That Qualifying Easement has worn off.

Dumberer and dumberer..

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:49 | 2825055 Oleander
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I had algebra in 7th grade. My nephew will start algebra this year in 7th grade. The new standard in Mass. is now no algebra until H.S. and therefore no need for pre Calculus. Seniors may take Calculus.

What will they do with all the students in middle school who are ready for algebra?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 05:55 | 2827166 MyKillK
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Who cares about smart people and successful people. The new America is all about fretting over the lowest common denominator.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:43 | 2824732 sharky2003
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So, my 500 is "above average"? 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:18 | 2824907 pods
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They just need kids to be smart enough to operate the machines, but dumb enough to accept the conditions.

RIP Geroge.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824737 ultimate warrior
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But but but if we keep throwing money at the schools then the kids get smarter! DERP! DERP!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824739 lasvegaspersona
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there their they're now...they can do better

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824740 dracos_ghost
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Verbal communication is SOOOOO 1990's. Most kids have texting thumbs that can form diamonds from graphite.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824741 SocratesZ
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How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read if they can't even fit inside the building?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824799 Kayman
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"if they can't even fit inside the building?"

Did you mean through the doorway ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:58 | 2825309 lasvegaspersona
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Zoolander may have foreseen the obesity problem years ahead of his time...pure genius....and so pretty...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824742 becky quick and...
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i bet if we spend more money on education that will fix it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2824748 orangegeek
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That's ok.  Most post high school graduates and drop outs further their education watching TV and movies and reading online hollywood crap.

Don't worry, everything is fine.  Obama likes it this way.



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:45 | 2824751 Meesohaawnee
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dont worry. the most important thing in their lives is playin with their tin toys in front of their faces all day. it never ends.. like crack addicts. priorities ya know....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:52 | 2825071 Skateboarder
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No one reads anymore. Angry Birds (and similar games) and social media effectively replaced, doubled, and eradicated what used to be reading time in one's life. Now kids only read each others' incomprehensible assfarts via some centrally watched platform, and they don't go out to play too much anymore. I swear I used to see more kids outside playing.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:36 | 2825242 Tango in the Blight
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It will be a felony to let your kids play outside soon.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:04 | 2825562 lostintheflood
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not quite a felony...but 18 hours in jail and $7,000 in legal fees...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:46 | 2824756 NEOSERF
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Akks me if I care

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:47 | 2824759 hannah
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ebonics WINS...!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:47 | 2824760 Wakanda
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Know shit.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:23 | 2825839 ZeroAvatar
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2824762 Wakanda
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Double post.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2824770 surf0766
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We need more money for the communist / socialist teachers union.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:00 | 2824842 Spastica Rex
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Don't worry: Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and the Koch brothers already have dibs on it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:50 | 2824772 HungryPorkChop
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I has a truobles roading de article.  Kould someune rekrite wusing smalle wordz?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824787 trebuchet
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Peepz don' Read 2 good now 4 sure not as gud as B4

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824788 hannah
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u thunk u better than eveyones else...? eillitist pig person.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:24 | 2825209 whatsinaname
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Is there a chart that precedes data from before 1971 ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:52 | 2824779 Spastica Rex
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Keep that education reform thing going, Koch brothers - it's WORKING!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:52 | 2824780 hannah
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u pple r f'n morans your stupid ingr8's WTF OMG .

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:21 | 2825198 exi1ed0ne
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While I agree that IMglish looks retarded on the surface, you are actually witnessing a new language being born.  A language that capitalizes on the brain's innate ability to parse textual information efficiently, and creates idea conveyance vastly faster and with less real estate than this bombastic and garrulous rambling.

I'm sure the practitioners of Old English thought modern English was uncouth and vulgar too.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824781 i love cholas
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Lets see the chart for education spending v. defense spending.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:53 | 2824791 Catullus
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Social Security : retirement savings :: public education : ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824794 KidHorn
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A graph of the IQ of a ZH poster would look worse in comparison.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2824810 Spastica Rex
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Over time? Over distance? I just don't get it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:24 | 2825212 exi1ed0ne
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If a ZH'er was in a boat traveling north by north-west at 15.1 knots, with a wind direction of south-east of 5.4 knots and current traveling south by south-east at .25 knots, how long would 54 oz of AG and 173 oz of Au last before going overboard?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:44 | 2825494 Skateboarder
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Somewhere along the way, our stopwatch ran out of batteries. So effectively, at the new t=0, there was a boating accident which was COMPLETELY unforseeable. And now all our stuffs are belong to the sea.

"Bidd'st the might ocean deep!"

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:29 | 2825651 Overflow-admin
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If someone can say where it happened, he can't say what happened, and conversely.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:52 | 2825937 exi1ed0ne
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Science FTW!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:05 | 2825048 Red Heeler
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You should have learned the first rule of trolling: Don't reveal yourself to be an ignoramus.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:15 | 2825176 takinthehighway
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He did say the IQ of "A" ZH poster...perhaps he was referring to himself?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824796 knukles
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Watch this shit....
Ya'll know what's gonna happen

Next thing'll be a Federal Gubamint Report on this Horror (truly is) which will conclude with: raising taxes, higher teacher pay, greater diversity, more inclusive courses such as "The Joy of Oral Sex Amongst Quadriplegic Gay Men", increased school administration, increased student supervision, larger class sizes, less prayer and pledges (LOL, as if getting rid of that shit made a positive effect...) more Islamic studies and last but not least, the return of civics courses drawn upon the Democratic Party Platform.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824800 Bam_Man
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I don't beleive there statisticks are ackuright.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2824802 toomanyfakecons...
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Luckily for us the MASS ARREST and the virtual dissolution of the government as we know it will be the death of "public education".

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2824805 Red Heeler
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2824809 The Count
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Since about 50 years the standards at our schools have constantly been accomodate the academic levels of immigrants and those newly empowered. Because if 50 percent of everybody failed their classes we would have quite a quandry, wouldnt' we? But the financial system feeds on every more growth which means ever larger population. So now a high school diploma is worth just about nothing and a BA/BS barely guarantees you any job. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2824811 gaoptimize
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I don't care about the average, as I never believed that the egalitarian goals of public education would ever be achieved at an affordable cost.  What I care about is the numbers in the groups above 1,200 combined.  It is those people that are capable of managing in a complex economy and moving us forward to the Kurzweil Singularity.

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