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Confirming US Dumbification, Verbal SAT Scores Just Hit Record Low

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All we can say is that the need for the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too has never been greater. At least the data below explains why the Chairsatan will soon monetize SAT scores and his infatuation with morer, greaterest QEternity+1...

 

 

And forward to the 1:00 mark for the big (small) unveiling...

 

 

(h/t @Not_Jim_Cramer)

 

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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2825080 Cthonic
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SAT now has three sections, so perhaps you mean something like 1,800 combined?  In the old nomenclature, a 1,200+ SAT corresponded approximately to an IQ of around 123+ or merely about 6% of the test-taking population.  Careful conflating SAT/IQ with intelligence, however.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044403240457800661285848601...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020393560457706629366964283...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2824812 JR
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“How much dumber can America get? Unfortunately, as the saying goes, ‘You ain’t seen nothing yet!’” – Sam Blumenfeld (September 2011)

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:04 | 2825140 wee-weed up
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"Gid da brotha a shance, Maaan!"

 

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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2824814 The Count
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Since about 50 years the standards at our schools have constantly been lowered...to accomodate the academic levels of immigrants and those newly empowered. Because if 50 percent of everybody failed their classes we would have quite a quandry, wouldnt' we? But the financial system feeds on every more growth which means ever larger population. So now a high school diploma is worth just about nothing and a BA/BS barely guarantees you any job. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:22 | 2824930 JR
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Junked by a teacher.

In fact, in 1994 (and how many times since) the College Board, which says "differences in testing are caused by educational and economic backgrounds of students and their parents," made changes in the tests to address "allegations of unfairness," that included permission to use calculators and the elimination of exercises to choose antonyms.

IOW, the tests have become politicized.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:28 | 2824961 lesterbegood
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In my opinion, standards at school have incrementally lowered because dumb people are more easily controlled, more docile, and make better slaves.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2824816 Lost Wages
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Why don't we look at the bright side? Kids know all they need to know to play Zynga from prison and they can sext like crazy.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2824817 toomanyfakecons...
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Luckily for us the MASS ARREST and the virtual dissolution of the government as we know it will be the death of "public education".

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2824818 Bam_Man
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dupl.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2824819 hannah
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RljdyXeft04

not really a joke anymore...

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 06:59 | 2827201 swiss chick
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I had never seen that video, FUNNY... Thanks

but what you say is true!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2824820 Inthemix96
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It gets better kids.

Over here in the communistic, social paradise of bonny England our kids dont even know who their dads are.

Beware.  You are only 5 years behind us pace setters.  And the gap is closing comrades.

Forward to oblivion sheeple.......

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2824881 Sisyphus
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Forward!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:15 | 2824821 Bam_Man
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dupl.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:17 | 2824824 Blazed
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Good times learnin.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:57 | 2824825 greeg
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It's been long noted that SAT scores are correlated to wealth. So is this all too surprising?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:30 | 2824969 knukles
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I'd like SAT scores for $100, Alex

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:57 | 2824829 mr1963
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DePaul University will no longer use SAT scores as a determinant in its admission policies.

Reading comprehension issues, no problem, just pay the 25k a year and have at it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:37 | 2824991 knukles
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Out here in the Winter Home of the Great Satan, to offset education cuts (So, my fine Sacramento scrotals, where the fuck has all the separately appropriated money for education only gone to over the years? The general budget...Oh me oh my!) the state university systems (There are 2!) have substantially increased enrollment of foreign students to get the big bang additional revenue out of state tuition moolah.

And a humongoloid proportion from China are so well qualified in Engrish that there is the need for interpreters to get the kids though their Howdy Doodie Acclimatization Orientatopn Day Horseshit...
So they'll do just fucking fine in classes, eh?

What language requirement?

FORWARD!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2824835 Dr. Engali
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Thay will make fine future collage det surfs. They can get themselves edumacted with a for yer degrea four $1000,00 and work thersleve al, the way up too manegar at Mcdonlads.  

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:59 | 2824838 greeg
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It's been long noted that SAT scores are correlated to wealth. So is this all too surprising?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 12:59 | 2824839 Bam_Man
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Don't tell this to the kids. It wouldn't be good for their self-esteem.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:00 | 2824845 Blazed
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Sounds more like it is inversly related to diversity. More diversity, lower SAT scores.

"In Maryland over the past five years, there has been an 8.5 percent increase in the number of African Americans who have taken the SATs and a 15.5 percent jump in the number of Hispanics."

"More than 1.66 million graduating seniors last year took the test, the highest number in history. Nearly half were minorities and about a quarter reported that English was not exclusively their first language."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/sat-reading-scores-hit-a-f...

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:00 | 2824846 hannah
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RljdyXeft04

not really a joke anymore...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:08 | 2824851 Blazed
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....

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:03 | 2824854 gmak
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I would argue that the scores are bound to decine over time in negative correlation with the amount of student loans available.

1. Once upon a time only the 'brightest'  and wealthiest went on to college

2. Unfair cried the bleeding hearts

3. Relatively cheap loans were made available and more opportunities made available for places at college

4. More people applied - by definition, every extra application will  be less bright that the smal segment of the pop. that used to go to college

5. College- aged pop. is declining but a greater percentage are seeking to get accepted - therefore a greater % of college-aged pop are writing SATs; therefore, if ability in SATs is normally distributed, then scores will fall, as expected, the more of college-aged pop. who write the SATs.

6. Throw the internet and texting into the mix - where social interection is limited to lols and likes, and the result should be no surprise.

7. Get rid of student loans, and one can almost guarantee that the SAT verbal scores will rise over time.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:23 | 2824937 Taint Boil
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Damn, good way to ruin a funny article with facts, logic and stuff ........

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:06 | 2824862 carlnpa
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No Child Left Behind was enacted in 2001.

The Effective Date was July 1, 2002.

Notice the direct correlation and down turn of the curve starting in 2003.

Prior to 2002 notice the test scores were improving.

IMHO government involvment has ruined our childrens education, and is directly responsible for the downturn in academic achievement.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:11 | 2824872 PivotalTrades
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I know, unlike most teachers, that corelation is not causation; but it would nice to see how much more we pay to educate our kids and teacher's salaries have increased over the same time period!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:11 | 2824874 CVfriendship
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Where is MDB with saying this is mostly due to the new format of the SAT and scores will continue their obvious uptrend from 2003 once it is digested....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2824875 kralizec
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Obviously billions more channeled into the public education system er teachers unions will solve this, pay up you cheap tight-fisted taxpaying bitches!  Do it for the fucking chirren!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:12 | 2824876 Abiotic Oil
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Yet more evidence that backs up our decision to homeschool our kids.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2824882 Chupacabra-322
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Ever heard the saying "it's in the water" well it is.  By the way, The Nazi flourised thier water supply with Flouide.

Study Proves Fluoride Brain Damage

A study conducted by scientists in India demonstrates that consumption of sodium fluoride results in brain and neurological damage. It was published by K. Pratap Reddy of the University College of Sciences at Osmania University in Hyderabad, India, on January 10, 2011.

http://www.infowars.com/study-proves-fluoride-brain-damage/

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:15 | 2824892 kralizec
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O.P.E. ! ! !

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:21 | 2824926 Chupacabra-322
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@ Kralizec,

I actually like to write out my retorts.  And know how to spell.  You've just proved the articles point.  What does O.P.E. means anyway?

Texting, the Globalists favorite way of dumbing down The American People and future generations.   

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:29 | 2824956 Chupacabra-322
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Here's some free advice.  Purchase and drink Distilled Water and add 1/4 teaspoon of Himalayan Pink Salt per gallon of water.  Or, you can buy liquid minerals at your local Vitamin Shoppe. 

www. mountainroseherbs.com

It may lighten you up and let you use your critical thinking skills you Government Agent Troll.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:33 | 2824986 Chupacabra-322
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The Fluoride Deception exposes the truth about water fluoridation and the phosphate mining industry

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=42652E035A1B1BAAAE1F340B54694975

Fluoride. Dentists say that drinking it can protect your teeth against cavities. Cities and towns all across the world actually dump it into the water supply, hoping to indiscriminately medicate the population through their tap water faucets.

The official story on fluoride sounds wonderful: Drink the stuff, and you won't get cavities, we're told. It's a nice story. But there's another side to this story -- the side you're never told. And it starts with the astonishing but verifiable fact that nearly all the fluoride dripped into municipal water supplies isn't naturally occurring fluoride at all.

In fact, it's actually a combination of hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride.

These two chemical are considered highly toxic by the EPA. They're actually classified as hazardous waste and when packaged for transportation, they must be labeled as poison and handled by workers wearing industrial safety gear.

So what are hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride, and where do they come from?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:17 | 2825184 adr
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Could Fluoride explain the new class of liberals who have been proven to actually be insane?

One of my friends in college was a wackjob liberal and told me how his elementary school in Massachusetts would make everyone take weekly fluoride treatments. I remember my school making us take fluoride trays and put them in our mouths. At that time we could refuse and a lot of parents got angry and the treatments were discontinued. My friend said his school kept doing it all the way to 8th grade.

It seems the cities with the highest concentrations of fluoridated water have the highest percentage of wackos.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:59 | 2825760 Bam_Man
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"Purity of Essence, Mandrake!"

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:04 | 2825331 robertocarlos
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I dropped a bottle of Himalayan Pink Salt into a sink full of water by accident. When I did the math and figured out the salt costs 1000 dollars a pound I almost cried. OK it was ONLY 10 bucks for 4 ounces. It's a nice salt.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:24 | 2825414 Cosimo de Medici
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I don't avoid women, Chupacabra, but I do deny them my essence.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:34 | 2824988 kralizec
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Dear Chupa,

Apparently you've never seen Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece "Dr. Strangelove", otherwise you would have known the initials to be "Our Precious Essence" as written on a tablet by General Ripper after coming to believe the Commies were poisoning our water with fluoride and hence he decided to initiate WWIII.  I find it ironic that in the preceding post the accusation is made, however the Commies in question are not an external threat but an internal one.

Regards,

Kralizec

PS-Chupa-proofed for the spelling impaired.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2824883 gmak
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I would argue that the scores are bound to decine over time in negative correlation with the amount of student loans available.

1. Once upon a time only the 'brightest'  and wealthiest went on to college

2. Unfair cried the bleeding hearts

3. Relatively cheap loans were made available and more opportunities made available for places at college

4. More people applied - by definition, every extra application will  be less bright that the smal segment of the pop. that used to go to college

5. College- aged pop. is declining but a greater percentage are seeking to get accepted - therefore a greater % of college-aged pop are writing SATs; therefore, if ability in SATs is normally distributed, then scores will fall, as expected, the more of college-aged pop. who write the SATs.

6. Throw the internet and texting into the mix - where social interection is limited to lols and likes, and the result should be no surprise.

7. Get rid of student loans, and one can almost guarantee that the SAT verbal scores will rise over time.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:18 | 2824911 aerojet
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Don't know why you got downvoted for this comment--it is very true.  Colleges and universities have been in a race to the bottom due to increasing enrollments.  When I taught college, I noted that there were a large number of kids there who had no business being near a  campus at all.  They had no real interest in learning anything, for starters.  The schools had to institute all kinds of remedial writing and math classes to bring people up to any kind of college-level competence.  Pretty fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:39 | 2825012 sharky2003
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most likely got downvoted bc this is a duplicate post from above

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:05 | 2825144 drivenZ
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"Get rid of student loans, and one can almost guarantee that the SAT verbal scores will rise over time."

 

essentially...are kids actually getting dumber or are there just more of them taking the SAT's trying to get into college? sounds likely to me. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:14 | 2824889 Tsar Pointless
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Do you need to know how to read in order to watch football on tv?

Is that a prerequisite?

Besides, picking up a book in your typical Amerikkkan school will get you picked-on and beat-up. Picking up a ball, on the other hand - that will get you picked for Prom King/Queen and give you a free pass to be the one who performs the aforementioned beating-up.

The ongoing dumbing-down of our society wouldn't be so such a frustrating event if our society didn't like and accept it and with such glee.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2824897 edb5s
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495 average?  What is that, an SAT score for ants??

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2824898 aerojet
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If true, many factors contributed to the problem--SAT test has probably changed such that certain years are not a direct comparison against other years.  We have had a wage of immigration, so a lot more non-English-as-a-first-language speakers taking the test now.  Then, lastly, there is the general dumbing down of everyone else to Kardashian/Jersey Shore levels. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:18 | 2824909 WTFx10
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You need dumb people to shallow the bullshit the government feeds us. So why would the government care how smart you are? Intelligence is strength.

They have their plan and it is going very good for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fj6Qamu0JY&feature=related

Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUWQ3yu19Bk&feature=relmfu

Part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzU5X3RfHjg&feature=relmfu

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:19 | 2824912 PLove
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Kids pay 15 IQ points to drink fluoridated water.   

 

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:21 | 2824919 Troncom
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I knew Mike Judge's film Idiocracy accurately predicted the future of the world.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:21 | 2824922 Taint Boil
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What is are be you talking about - I dont git its.

[finally.. the first commet I didn't have to use spell check on]

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:22 | 2824932 Jim in MN
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Well back in 1973 nobody gave a rat's ass about some stupid tests so it was no big deal to ask around for the answers so we could all get outside and look at the seniors' muscle cars and blast some Zep.

Er, did I say 'we'?  I meant those bad kids.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:24 | 2824943 bugs_
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Qantitative Education

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:25 | 2824948 Gimp
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Read, Reed and Reid everything you can!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:25 | 2824949 djsmps
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I ran into a teacher I knew outside the library. He was going someplace else. At the end of the conversation, I mentioned that I had to return some books to the library. He said (and I quote exactly), "You read books? I don't."

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:26 | 2824953 Benjamin Glutton
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Are YOU smarter than a fifth grader????? If not why not??? Do you blame your teacher???? Is it your parents fault??? Fluoridation???

 

5th Grader games are played by a single contestant, who attempts to answer ten questions (plus a final bonus question). Content is taken from elementary school textbooks, two from each grade level from first to fifth. Each correct answer increases the amount of money the player banks; a maximum cash prize of US$1,000,000 can be won. Along the way, the player can be assisted by a "classmate", one of five school-age cast members, in answering the questions. Notably, upon getting an answer incorrect or deciding to prematurely end the game, the contestant must state that they are "not smarter than a 5th grader."

Two people have won the $1,000,000 prize: Kathy Cox, superintendent of public schools for the U.S. state of Georgia; and George Smoot, winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize in Physics and professor at University of California, Berkeley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_you_smarter_than_a_5th_grader

Hundreds of adults have been forced to look into the camera and admit they are not smarter than a fifth grader. It is worth noting that not one of them had the temerity to blame their teachers, school systems, parents, Fluoride or any other such obfuscatory nonsense.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:49 | 2825056 gmak
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There is no reasoning involved in answering those questions. It's just retention of facts. Of course a 5th grader will know their material better than someone who hasn't seen it for 20 years. If you don't use certain facts and information, it is not readily accessible.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:50 | 2825252 Benjamin Glutton
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really??? Though I do not watch the show I had occasion to observe a very confident adult female asian american thirty something college graduate who said she scored 1200(apparently a good score at one time)on her SAT get bounced from the show on her very first question.

 

asked...If you were born on Easter Sunday is it true or false that your birthday will occur on Easter Sunday every year?

answered...True!

 

This question was a third grade level question that could have been solved with a basic understanding of our calender and reasoning skills.

Is this not a simple reasoning fail based on something we ALL experience daily?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:18 | 2825395 Rick Masters
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An adult female student from China didn't know that Easter Sunday doesn't occur each year on Easter Sunday is stupid. How dare she not know the innner workings of American holidays. She is dumb. BTW, without using wikipedia, was Confucious born in the Year of the Dragon or Cat? Pretty simple lol The questions on that show aren't always basic reasoning sometimes is is obscure knowledge that if you're not part of some human subgroup you wouldn't know.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:30 | 2825648 Overfed
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I've watched that show once or twice, and I learned that we were taught some pretty obscure shit in grade school. But everybody knows that Easter falls on the Sunday after the first full moon preceded by the vernal equinox. ;-)

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 11:34 | 2825067 flacorps
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My then-seven year old was watching this show a few months back. The contestant was an oral surgeon. The bonus question was: "This gland produces melatonin, which helps you sleep." My wife was stumped. I said "pituitary." The oral surgeon said "pituitary." My son said "pineal." I immediately realized he was right. And it was indeed pineal. This kid's going to med school...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:26 | 2824955 jjsilver
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They're already working on dumbing down those testing standards, doing a little fraud here and little COERCION there and voila, the american slaves now have the highest scores anywhere.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:28 | 2824960 PivotalTrades
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The only thing that can make that chart look better is the release of the math scores.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:32 | 2824968 LouisDega
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Fuck it.. Im not dumb. Im smart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYabrQrXt4A

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:30 | 2824971 BlackholeDivestment
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Stoodant lowns will bring down costs and we can ''change'' dis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI&feature=related

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:33 | 2824984 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Hmmmmm. Wonder what the average SAT verbal score for ZH posters would be if they took the test tomorrow?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:36 | 2824995 lostcause
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 This is what happens when you bring Socialism to the classroom.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:37 | 2825002 JR
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New Zogby Poll: Romney Loses Ground, Down By 8 Points | Global Research, September 24, 2012 

A new Zogby Poll of 860 likely voters nationwide, conducted online September 21 and 22, shows President Barack Obama opening up an 8 point lead over GOP challenger and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. Among likely voters, Obama now leads 49% to 41%; when leaners are factored in and minor party candidates are included, Obama’s lead widens to 9 points, 49%-40%, with 2% each voting for Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Dr. Jill Stein, and 1% for Constitution Party Virgil Goode.

The poll has a margin of sampling error of +/-3.4 percentage points.

Obama has a 14 point lead among independents (46% to 32%), 33 points among moderates (60% to 27%), 36 points among 18-29 year olds (65%-29%), 11 points among 30-49 year olds (48% to 37%), and is down among 50-64 year olds by only 2 points (45%-47%) and 3 points among voters over 65 (44%-47%). The President maintains his huge leads among Hispanics (68% to 26%) and African American voters (93%-0%).

Romney’s lead is only 50% to 39% among white voters and 48% to 40% among evangelicals. Obama continues his lead among NASCAR fans (49% Obama to 42% Romney).

Pollster John Zogby:

I won’t say that things are spinning out of control for Romney, but I can say that things are not spinning in control. He is off message, losing ground, not connecting with his own base, being severely chastised (and even dismissed) by GOP pundits who should be his friends. There are ups and downs in presidential campaigns. For Romney, this is a real down.

 http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-zogby-poll-romney-loses-ground-down-by-8-points/

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825089 Redstone
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It’s one thing to be taken over by an army; it’s quite another for the takeover to be voted in.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:39 | 2825014 10044
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495? You didn't build that. There was a great teacher or mentor along the way who helped you acheive that

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:42 | 2825027 Magnix
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Thats sad...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:45 | 2825038 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Great!  The fluoride is doing exactly what the demonati want it to do!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724

Tuco

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:44 | 2825037 The Eradicator
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Me fail english? That's unpossible.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:46 | 2825044 JohnKozac
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Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators

 

"The average math scores of American students put them below 30 other countries."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/education/07education.html?pagewanted=...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:50 | 2825063 gmak
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Many countires, especially China, only let the creme de la creme write these tests. It severely skews the results - all to gain international face.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:23 | 2825636 Arnold Ziffel
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More likely it's a sampling error. They sampled the wrong country.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:36 | 2825677 JohnKozac
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<< Many countires, especially China, only let the creme de la creme write these tests. It severely skews the results>>

The article states the USA came in 30th. Are you implying that all 29 countries "skewed the results."

Sounds fishy to me.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:52 | 2825073 icanhasbailout
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Bullish!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825081 Bastiat
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Read or Listen to a few speeches by JFK to see how far the expected comprehension of the electorate has fallen. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:28 | 2825224 snblitz
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Or read the Federalist Papers.  Those are a collection of articles published in local newspapers to convince the farmers to adopt the US Constiution.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825083 flacorps
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Newspeak is arriving right on time. That's doubleplusungood.

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-prin.html

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825086 gaoptimize
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I don't care about the average, as I never believed that the egalitarian goals of public education would ever be achieved at an affordable cost.  What I care about is the numbers in the groups above 1,200 combined.  It is those people that are capable of managing in a complex economy and moving us forward to the Kurzweil Singularity.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:56 | 2825091 dolph9
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This would have been interesting 10 or 15 years ago.  Like when that guy Charles Murray came out with the Bell Curve book about IQ that caused such a stir.

We are so far gone that this doesn't even matter anymore.  In fact, in America, some of the most idiotic and braindead people are those who "prepped" to get the best scores and end up working in a bureaucracy in D.C. or on Wall Street.

So when it comes to falling SAT scores, I say, bring it on.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:39 | 2825250 JR
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Bring it on?

Perhaps you should reconsider: my recollection is that the Bell Curve reflects tremendous differences in socioeconomic patterns and values.  Here’s an AP news item that appeared a while back:

BROOKSVILLE, Fla. – A Florida city is cleaning up with a new dress code that requires city workers to wear underwear and use deodorant.

The city council in Brooksville north of Tampa approved a dress code that instructs employees to observe ‘strict personal hygiene.’

It also prohibits exposed underwear, clothing with foul-language, ‘sexually provocative’ clothes and piercings anywhere except the ears.

Repeat offenders can be fired.

The city council approved the dress code 4-1 as part of a wider effort to update existing policies and ordinances.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:55 | 2825096 TradingTroll
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My daughter has been going to Japan for the month of July as Japan has 200 hours annual education, the US has what 180 hours.

 

Anyway, in Grade 2 they do Grade 5 US math

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:14 | 2825360 Cosimo de Medici
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Grade 5 math in 2nd Grade?  It's because they need to get "quadrillion" into the curriculum as soon as possible.

Total Japanese Government Debt: 1,000,000,000,000,000 yen.

"We're gonna need a bigger abacus."

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:56 | 2825101 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Wait don’t you get 200 points just filling out the name field……

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:58 | 2825107 Headbanger
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As the old song goes

 

We don't need no education

 

We don't need no thought control..

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:59 | 2825111 yogibear
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Give it some time and Foxconn USA will be the place to work for these Rap talking citizens.

The boom-box has been replaced by the i-Phone.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:59 | 2825113 Tinky
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Many Western European students speak better English as a second language than their American counterparts. 

Seriously.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2825128 jumbo maverick
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I miss dat day dey give da sat my pit wen on a rampage my pit was eting all da ooder dawgs in da hood my pit 8 a shorty I gotta run to da yard and blast my pit with my G lock was turrable just turrable I kilt im I done shot my own pit I buryed him in da erf sos my guidance ho come to my crib and says don worry bout that sat test theys gonna give you a wayver and I don gotta take it then we smoke a lil weed

Lec tro lits and hoes

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2825130 chrispycrunch
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Low scores seem to have correlated inversely with the growth in Facebook's popularity.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:11 | 2825159 Flakmeister
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Trickle Down SAT scores....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:12 | 2825165 hedgehog9999
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I love these new words into the english language , they are so descriptive and meaningful. I'll bet you SAT scores have not incorporated them into ther tests.

1. Dumbification

2. Pussyfication

3. Zombiefication

4. Vaporification

5. Impoverification

along with expressions like

6. "Got suicided"

7. "Buying thingamagigs" 

8." Are you into sexting"

9. "Drone deathidemics"

etc.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:13 | 2825166 QuietKidintheCorner
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ZH insulting readers.  Drop in verbal score simply reflects internationalization of the test, more non-english natives are taking the test bringing verbal scores down.  I would bet math scores are through the roof.  Math is same in the US as China, Poland and India.  Verbal language is not. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:36 | 2825238 Umh
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Are you sure you want to bet on that? The math SAT being through the roof I mean. Actually I think the only way the math SAT scores have gone through the roof is if they feel through a skylight.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:15 | 2825174 bankonzhongguo
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I live close to a college town and routinely deal with local students - incoming freshman to grad students. 

What is profoundly alarming is how uninformed even college aged "children" are.  People in their early twenties can't even culturally reference things like the Hindenburg, the Beatles and what "white-collar" means, never-mind little things like multiplication.

I used to think that all that texting and internet usage made these people some super-being when it comes to useless culture fads - but they are not even getting that.

It's leaking into the mainstream - see how often you see misspelled words or wrong words used in even NYT articles.  It's pathetic.

Add to this all the anti-depressants handed out like Halloween candy and we are seeing a generation fall into an Abyss.

I used to think the movie "Idiocracy" was a true farce.  Now it reads like a documentary.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:16 | 2825177 Hedge Hog
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All your grammer & sintax are belong to us (sic/Sick)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:16 | 2825178 snblitz
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The Cake (er, um Chart) is a Lie (isn't everything?) 

It is far worse then shown.

In 1995 the SAT was re-normed adding 100 points to everyone's score just for showing up.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/course/topics/SAT.html

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:19 | 2825188 TheLordNorman
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who will be most f'd when SHTF? the hoards of senile babyboomers in homes or the flocks of drunken illiterate iZombies in school?

my guess they end up eating eachother and equilibrium returns to the universe.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:19 | 2825191 Diesel Seven
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Yeah, no shit. We keep spending more per capita than amost anyone else on education, but we keep falling behind in academic ranking. If only we just issue more muni bonds to purchase an iPad for each child, have at least two field trips per semester, and maintain a 3:1 student-to-teacher ratio, then we'd be on track. . . oh wait--I forgot, many of the largest states/school districts in the U.S. are at ore near the max debt ratios for existing bond covenants--many of them with outstanding long-term pension obligation bonds.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:23 | 2825206 snblitz
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Friends of mine in the power and water industries have lamented to me via politically correct speech that the younger people coming up through the ranks just are not all that motivated and this is causing problems in their industries.

As Russian rockets unexpected fall from the sky in increasing frequency the Russians were less politically correct and came right out and said that the younger guys  are not very smart and this in imparing their ability to keep their rockets working properly.  Though they did toss in that the US was stealing their smart people.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:26 | 2825214 The Count
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Since about 50 years the standards at our schools have constantly been lowered...to accomodate the academic levels of immigrants and those newly empowered. Because if 50 percent of everybody failed their classes we would have quite a quandry, wouldnt' we? But the financial system feeds on every more growth which means ever larger population. So now a high school diploma is worth just about nothing and a BA/BS barely guarantees you any job. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:37 | 2825246 Diamond Jim
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Two things....(1) with regards to teachers...pay for student performance and have teachers in Jr. high on up with a Masters degree in their subject, no more of this BA in Education crap. (2) with regards to students...looks like we should have a cut...college bound, tech school bound, military or hamburger flippers. Too many Kids just do not have an interest in being in school, rather be home twitching their thumbs on their phone or at home playing internet games. Pathetic, with my kids getting an education is all I expected from them. I was their educational backstop, they are today quite successful. Parents need to get involved and learn the word...NO.  3-5 hours of homework is a must.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:42 | 2825256 Chrome Child
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The one thing that you have to watch for with these numbers is that school districts include ESL (English as a Second Language) students' scores. To me, that doesn't make any sense. How can you have an accurate gauge of SAT scores if you're including kids who don't speak English regularly? Say what you will, but to me that doesn't make sense. I'd like to see the numbers after ESL scores are removed.

And as one poster put above, some foreign countries score higher with English being the second language, but those numbers are filtered too. Only the top scores get counted to help the 'average' number overall.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:43 | 2825258 P.T.Bull
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But american education is achieving its intended goals. Graduates, or dropouts, have a marxist orientation, a credulous acceptance of MSM narrative, a sense of entitlement, not enough science to see through global warming hype, a deference to 'experts', an indifference to disappearning freedoms, an ignorance of the constitution, and a general strong sense of followersip to the government.

Both republicans and democrats see the existing system perpetuates their privilege. Its only an abomination to libertarians--a fringe group who's beliefs are probable cause to the T-Stasi-A.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:47 | 2825270 blueRidgeBoy
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solution: substitute self-esteem index for math scores.  Problem fixed!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:53 | 2825292 indio007
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We f****** doomed

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:00 | 2825317 dickizinya
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ask the fuckin teachers union

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:01 | 2825320 Sun and Moon
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It would be interesting to see a chart back to 1965 when the "Elementary and Secondary Education Act" was enacted. This was when the federal government decided to get into education in a big way.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:07 | 2825343 Jam Akin
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Don't need no stnkin' language skillz to play battlefield on teh XBox.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:10 | 2825355 BigInJapan
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Are kids are doing just fine.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:13 | 2825365 Fix It Again Timmy
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Who needs to read with Netflix at only $8/month? 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:13 | 2825367 firstdivision
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FYI math scores are also starting to decline since 2007

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:17 | 2825371 balolalo
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And if you look at the trend line, it is indicating further drops in scores down the road.

Probable causes:
- gutting the nuclear family (2 parents have to work to barely survive...  who is left to properly raise the kids?)
- gutting the public education system and diminishing investment into children
- evidence that fewer people respect reading in popular culture, especially reading language intensive books

The question then is: how are kids going to do in 20 years?   Especially when it is taken into account that the probable causes listed are only going to worsen.  

Complex language, one of the few things that separates us from other life forms, and fewer people are learning it.   This can't be good.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:17 | 2825391 Fix It Again Timmy
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Also, check out the math portion:

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/findx.php

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:17 | 2825392 Uncle Remus
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Would you please speak more clearly

Mercedes Benz

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:26 | 2825419 robertocarlos
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Maths are harder.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:28 | 2825438 robertocarlos
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The Chicago teachers go on strike and I thought this is cool, in these difficult times a teachers' strike should last about as long as an NHL strike and the next day the teachers are back in class. crazy.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:37 | 2825463 toomanyfakecons...
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Luckily for us the MASS ARREST and the virtual dissolution of the government as we know it will be the death of "public education".

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:04 | 2825559 reader2010
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Fuck the SAT scores or GRE scores. Those exams are set up to protect the status quo in the first place so that students don't know how to think and what to think on their own. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:11 | 2825592 Quantum Nucleonics
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Don't you get 400 points just for putting your name on the page?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:41 | 2825696 Overfed
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I'll tell ya' how dumb we are in America now. 90%+ are going to vote for either Ro-money or O'bomb-a and actually believe that they are making the right choice. That tells the whole story right there.

Critical thinking is dead.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:57 | 2825754 tongue.stan
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Couple of points:

The big drop came in the mid 70's, when drugs really took root in the high schools. I know cause I was there. They don't call it dope for nothing.

Also I scored way above the average even though I was marginally autistic. I would say that describes most of todays yutes, and yet they are still dumber than me.

Plus all the environmental factors are pushing them down, although I know a few young'uns who are smarter than almost all the adults. They never drink tapwater, almost never watch TV, and they read multiple books per week.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:23 | 2825838 ceilidh_trail
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The stupidifacation of amuraca is all aroun us. Everyday life examples: drivers who lane hop, go slow in the fast lane, tailgate, cut others off, etc, etc...; cash registers that calculate change because the cashiers can't; persons who watch whatever mindless garbage is spewed on TV instead of picking up a book; Acorn and CETA workers; NEW obama bumper stickers in spite of the past four years; on and on and on and on...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:27 | 2825856 medicalstudent
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J Hazard Mater. 2011 Feb 28;186(2-3):1942-6. Epub 2010 Dec 25. The relationships between low levels of urine fluoride on children's intelligence, dental fluorosis in endemic fluorosis areas in Hulunbuir, Inner Mongolia, China. Ding Y, YanhuiGao, Sun H, Han H, Wang W, Ji X, Liu X, Sun D. Source

Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Harbin Medical University, Harbin 150081, Heilongjiang, China.

Abstract

There has been public concern about children's intellectual performance at high levels of fluoride exposure, but few studies provide data directly to the question of whether low fluoride exposure levels less than 3.0 mg/L in drinking water adversely associated with children's intelligence. In this survey, we investigated the effects of low fluoride exposure on children's intelligence and dental fluorosis. 331 children aged from 7 to 14 were randomly recruited from four sites in Hulunbuir City, China. Intelligence was assessed using Combined Raven Test-The Rural in China while dental fluorosis was diagnosed with Dean's index. Mean value of fluoride in drinking water was 1.31±1.05 mg/L (range 0.24-2.84). Urine fluoride was inversely associated with IQ in the multiple linear regression model when children's age as a covariate variable was taken into account (P<0.0001). Each increase in 1 mg/L of urine fluoride associated with 0.59-point decrease in IQ (P=0.0226). Meanwhile, there was a dose-response relationship between urine fluoride and dental fluorosis (P<0.0001). In conclusion, our study suggested that low levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water had negative effects on children's intelligence and dental health and confirmed the dose-response relationships between urine fluoride and IQ scores as well as dental fluorosis.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:30 | 2825865 medicalstudent
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Environ Health Perspect. 2012 Jul 20. [Epub ahead of print] Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. Choi AL, Sun G, Zhang Y, Grandjean P. Source

Department of Environmental Health, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA.

Abstract

Background: Although fluoride may cause neurotoxicity in animal models and acute fluoride poisoning causes neurotoxicity in adults, very little is known of its effects on children's neurodevelopment. Objective: We performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of published studies to investigate the effects of increased fluoride exposure and delayed neurobehavioral development. Methods: We searched the MEDLINE, EMBASE, Water Resources Abstracts, and TOXNET databases through 2011 for eligible studies. We also searched the China National Knowledge Infrastructure (CNKI) database, as many studies on fluoride neurotoxicity have been published in Chinese journals only. In total, we identified 27 eligible epidemiological studies with high and reference exposures, endpoints of IQ scores or related cognitive function measures with means and variances for the two exposure groups. We estimated the standardized mean difference (SMD) between exposed and reference groups across all studies using random effects models. We conducted sensitivity analyses restricted to studies using the same outcome assessment and having drinking water fluoride as the only exposure. Cochran test for heterogeneity between studies, Begg's funnel plot and Egger test to assess publication bias were performed. Meta-regressions to explore sources of variation in mean differences among the studies were conducted. Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. Subgroup and sensitivity analyses also indicated inverse associations, although the substantial heterogeneity did not appear to decrease. Conclusions: The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children's neurodevelopment. Future research should include detailed individual-level information on prenatal exposure, neurobehavioral performance, and covariates for adjustment.

 

back to flippin' burgers...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:33 | 2825876 Carpathia
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It's much worse than that chart of SAT scores suggests.  15 years ago the SAT verbal scores were "renormed"  Seems the midwestern white kids that originally normed the scores are no longer representative of who is taking the tests.  Bottom line is that roughly 80 points were added at the 520 level.  That means that a 520 in 1978 would appear as a 600 today.  There really is no precedent for the loss of verbal skills that we are seeing in modern America.  But hey, this is the greatest country in the world.

 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:34 | 2825879 Duke of Con Dao
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hey, I think I'm Big Meech... Larry Hoover!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:17 | 2825999 tony bonn
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the education crime syndicate racketeers have made college education nearly mandatory for even the most fucktarded of reasons so everyone gets panhandled through the testing process - of course the scores will fall - but considering it all, the scores have only fallen about 20 or so points over 40 years, proving that most college gradeates ain't too much smarter than thems that aint....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:47 | 2826096 booboo
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This is just remarkulas, and borders on the incredutatious.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:53 | 2826125 blindman
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word

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:45 | 2826309 SmittyinLA
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When you exclude all the illegal alien's kids the scores are flat, unfortunately the illegal alien kids are the super majority of kids and the super majority of our future. 

 

Cost shifting works.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:28 | 2826434 are we there yet
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I have a DVD of the movie 'Idiotocracy' that predicts our future.  Except it is happening faster as people dumb down faster.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:31 | 2826438 are we there yet
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McDonalds is a career choice

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:28 | 2826440 SmittyinLA
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Elementary school teacher Principal busted for Meth dealing http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/South-Bay-principal-jailed-for-drugs-3889745.php#ixzz27Q0QOylD

In case you were wondering how a elementary school principal could be busted for Meth dealing,  yes, of course he's a homosexual, no doubt a leftist advocate of criminal invasion too.

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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 05:48 | 2827164 MyKillK
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I would like to see this graphed along with levels of hispanic immigration. I bet there is an obvious correlation. I tutored low income kids for a year, of which 95% or so were Hispanic. They could barely read, and couldn't even add or subtract properly...in the sixth grade...

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 08:43 | 2827369 drchris
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I would hedge by buying low-income birth rates.  

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 19:15 | 2842287 JPB3
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