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Spanish Military Threatens Treason As Catalonia Seeks Secession Referendum

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"Do not play with the feelings of the Catalans" is the totally unveiled threat after Catalonia's beggars-can-be-choosers demand for an unconditional bailout fell on deaf ears. The traditionally separatist-minded province has decided, according to ANSAmed, has decided to pull a Greece - and escalate with a move to secession. A resolution, on the right of the Catalan people to cut off ties with the Spanish state, will be voted on Thursday by the regional parliament.



This statement of "the will of Catalan people to vote on the bond with the State of Spain" opens the way for forthcoming elections on November 25 to become a referendum on the sovereignty of Catalonia.


The Spanish military are not taking this lying down with the counter-threat that these 'separatists' and their 'inappropriate and unacceptable' threat to break-up Spain shall be, according to El Economista, charged with high treason. We are sure Draghi has a 'grand plan' for this.


Via ANSAmed: Spain: Catalan Parliament will vote on right of independence

(ANSAmed) - Madrid, September 24 - The parties which played a central role in the National Day of Catalonia on September 11, 2012 are now working on a statement on the right of the Catalan people to cut off the tie with the Spanish state.


The resolution will be voted on Thursday by the regional parliament, at the end of the general debate due to start tomorrow. To the writing of the resolution on sovereignty, which is not binding, are participating the following parties: Convergencia i Union (CiU), the ruling party in the Generalitat, with 62 deputies; Iniciativa (ICV-Euia), with 10 deputies; Esquerra Republicana (ERC), 10 deputies, the independents of Solidaritat, 3 deputies, and Joan Laporta.


The Popular Party (PP) (18 deputies) and Ciutadans (3) are against the initiative, while the Socialist Party (PSC, 28) proposes to move towards the construction of a federal state.


According to Spanish media, the statement won't be only a proposition, as others rated in the past by the Catalan room, but goes further, and expresses "the will of Catalan people to vote on the bond with the State of Spain".


In addition to this, it opens the way for forthcoming elections which may already take place on November 25, and a referendum on the sovereignity of Catalonia, claimed by parties supporting a national indipendence. A decision which, as indicated by the Catalan President Artur Mas, must be taken by the majority of the Parliament.


After the refusal of the government of Mariano Rajoy of a fiscal pact with Catalonia - a privileged system of financing, such as those in the Basque Country and in Navarre - Mas said that it was time to take a step forward, even with the a referendum for indipendence.


For his part, the Secretary General of Convergence (CDC), Oriol Pujol, declared to be "skeptical about a dialogue" suggested on Saturday by Prime Minister Rajoy, to check the possibility of an agreement on the financing of Catalonia. He also urged the Prime Minister to take initiative and "Do not play with the feelings of the Catalans".


According to La Vanguardia, the model for the new Catalonia would be Scotland. (ANSAmed).


Via El Economista: (Google Translate'd) But military warn of the consequences of promoting "fracture of Spain"

Spanish Military Association (SMA) has warned Monday that those who cooperate or allow "fracture" of Spain should "respond with all the utmost rigor" in the courts in the field of military courts by the "serious charge high treason. "


In a statement, the association warns that "the highest office" and "governments" should take "appropriate action immediately to remove any hint of secession without armed forces look serious and unpardonable in tessitura to comply scrupulously strictly with the mission and that the Constitution gives them to ensure the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of our country. "


"If it had unfortunately-warn-act, there must be no doubt that those who have allowed, participated or assisted in reaching this last time but repeated threat of fracture of Spain, by commission, omission or out of your constitutional positions shall be accountable to the fullest extent of all so serious charge of treason before the courts in the field of military jurisdiction. "


For this association, the attitude of the president of the Generalitat of Catalonia, Artur Mas, and members "separatists" of Parliament is "inappropriate and unacceptable" and "not consistent with any of the ways with the duty and responsibility as representatives of the state, are required to observe and exercise ".


According to AME, current events in Catalonia are the result of "a frightening economic crisis and other manifestly disastrous political management by the formations that incur a high treason to voluntarily maintain a system of electoral representation that encourages the emergence and establishment of separatist nationalism to give in to his blackmail votes to stay in power. "


This association, which is not registered in the Register of Professional Associations of members of the Armed Forces, created in light of the Bill of Rights and Duties of the military-is chaired by retired Colonel Leopoldo Munoz and is mainly composed of former members of hosts and Navy.


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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2825075 Pladizow
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"Treason doth never prosper. Whats the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."  - Sir John Harrington 1561-1613

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:00 | 2825114 Stackers
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Welcome to the hotel Spain. You can check in but you can never leave.......

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:11 | 2825163 Richard Chesler
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Treason = messing with banksters' bonus.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:21 | 2825199 hedgeless_horseman
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Nobody expects the Spanish bifurcation!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:27 | 2825216 Oh regional Indian
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Pretty darn freaky people. Please take a look at the map in the post linked below. 

The line passes EXACTLy through Cataluniya.




Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:49 | 2825275 Surly Bear
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I know a Catalonian, and *I* wouldn't mess with her. You can do what you like.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:55 | 2825293 Sudden Debt
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Catalonia: Madrid...
Madrid: yes my little milk cow, whasssuuupp?!
Catalonia: I like you... but I think we should see other people....
Madrid: WHAT?!?!?! I just sold you my bonds!!!
Catalonia: It's just not working out... I slept with....Germany...
Madrid: NNNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:51 | 2825282 El Diablo Rojo
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Junked you for superstition and not reading the inards of frogs properly.  Everyone know you must first take the 33rd parallel and divide it by 3 to arrive at a prime number, then on the eleventh day of november (11th month) in the year 2011 (11+11+11) cut open a frog (frenchie) in Barcalona to find out if the bailout will be successful.  Come on Dude, links like that should also have a sublink to a Nigerian Prince who needs help. Your credibility was just shot down by a .33 caliber round.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:59 | 2825308 Oh regional Indian
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And yet, on 9th March 2011 (18 months ago) I drew a line on a map based on a certain Hypothesis, and it passes EXACTLY through Cataluniya.

So...yeah, whatever.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:31 | 2825443 magpie
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Congrats if you saw this coming

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:40 | 2826064 BigJim
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It's pretty clear you should stop drawing lines on maps - we don't want any more trouble, do we?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 22:52 | 2826799 Think for yourself
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post hoc, ergo procter hoc. Correlation is not causation. Unless You saw it and called it at that time, it's not an argument for your line. Moreover, anybody who knows a few catalans or who know the history of the region could have assigned a very high degree of probability of the situation like this decades ago.

Your "line" doesn't foresee it, nor does it explain it. It does not even qualify as a hypothesis; it doesn't even make falsifiable predictions. "Oh, here's a line, I claim it is the line of evil-doing, so at some time some events might happen at some points on this line..." 

That's very poor science, especially for someone who defines himself as an en-sign.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 11:48 | 2862767 lakecity55
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There is no such thing as a "33rd Degree" Freemason.

Third is as high as one goes, Master Mason.

If you can't figure out your own life, blame it on some vast conspiracy that explains everything.

Real life consists of numerous real conspirators, special interest factions, constantly competing against each other.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:33 | 2825668 Dcheeth2
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That line passes right over my house in Devon.


I am evil personified. Watch out world, Satan lives...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 23:46 | 2826912 Cathartes Aura
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hmmm. . .

dev-on. . . dev-ill. . .

yep, pure evil you are.

but excellent clotted cream teas, nonetheless. . .

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 03:32 | 2827085 Ar-Pharazôn
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well.... do you think there is any country in the west world that will allow one of his region to declare indipendence? ..............................

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:01 | 2825121 economics9698
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If we can convince Governor Perry of Texas to start the succession proceedings from the USA we can get the ball rolling.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:05 | 2825143 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:37 | 2825245 otto skorzeny
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I think that's a swell idea-invite the Jews to this cool "Redoubt" and tell them they are welcome and then-Voila!-free labor/gold fillings. I will need a ratline through the Vatican when the "Redoubt" collapses and I make my way to Argentina.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:27 | 2825425 N. B. Forrest
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Sweet.  I'm already here.  When does the party start?  When can I chase away the EPA, BIA, Dept of Ag. goons in all their stripes. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:44 | 2825261 TheInfoman
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There would be a stampede to Texas.  Me first, BTW.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:55 | 2825537 Grinder74
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Perhaps some U.S. States need to start succession referendums.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:12 | 2825793 They Tried to S...
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Lets get started!....

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 21:31 | 2826611 Buck Johnson
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So true, so true.  That quote is one that I never  heard of.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2825076 Schmuck Raker
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2825082 Jonas Parker
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If at first you don't secede, try, try again!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:58 | 2825104 Peter Pan
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Where is Zorro when you need him?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:59 | 2825110 ParkAveFlasher
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In Mexico, stacking tits!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:00 | 2825115 CPL
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It's like everyone and their cousin is going out of their way to make the mess bigger.



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:22 | 2825203 Oh regional Indian
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Church was not having any of it, so they started on separating state from state.



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:19 | 2825439 Jack Burton
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Yes CPL, now that things are really headed downhill those who see opportunity to stoke the flames are coming out of hiding. NAZI's in Greece? Check. Seperatists in Spain? Check.  Israel's bombers ready to fly? Check. China versus Japan over ocean rocks? Check.

Lots more where those came from. I think hsitory shows that when a system begins to collapse, the forces held in check by universal hope and prosperity begin to question their place in a system no longer able to deliver. This is also where the Texas succession talk came from. Once they saw the USA as a giant debt bomb, some thought why not get out.

There is so much more to play out. This is inning 1 of an extra innings ball game called  Bankers Capitalism Going Under!  I hope by inning 3 or 4 we start to see bankers swinging from lamp posts, they have brought so much of this onto us. Their new financial engineers seeking to harvest the world's wealth have collapsed the system. They should pay first!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 00:09 | 2826944 i-dog
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There's just one teeny-weeny flaw in your reading: their actual plan, often published, is to create Order from Chaos ('ordo ab chao'). It is they who are crashing the financial system, now that they have acquired title to most real and financial assets using counterfeit 'money'.

It's not an 'accident', nor a 'mistake', nor 'incompetence' ... since, in the US, European bankers had tried to impose a central bank over commerce and government borrowings from day one (in 1781, immediately after ratification of the Articles of Confederation) and finally succeeded on the fourth attempt in 1913.

You may indeed yet see bankers swinging from lamp posts, since they will be expendable once a global politburo is in place. But this will only occur after 'they' have further consolidated control over the political organs -- and dismantled most of them -- and any bankster hangings would be encouraged by the political masters behind the scenes (to thunderous applause and adulation by the dumb fucking sheep)!

The 'complex system' is about to go through a 'phase change' which TPTB think they can control to their sole benefit. We'll soon see.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:22 | 2825200 magpie
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Rebellious Catalonia left Spain in a state of Catatonia !

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:46 | 2825709's picture

Caledonia! Caledonia! What makes you think you're so hot?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:56 | 2825093 magpie
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"Let Freedom reign"

edit:in catalan please ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:00 | 2825117 CPL
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:03 | 2825328 Count de Money
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"Que regni la llibertat" courtesy of Google Translate.

As languages go, Catalan is more closely related to French than it is to Spanish.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:10 | 2825356 magpie
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Thank you, but it's langue d'Oc to be precise

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:55 | 2825095 Skateboarder
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Do it Catalonia, show the rest of the world that a fight can be fought and won, that people can live like people in communities where everyone is valued, that sustainability comes from within your turf and not shipped across the seven seas. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:10 | 2825158 Undecided
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This would only matter if they didn't want to Stay in the Euro and request a bailout, but alas they still want to stay in the Euro and get a bailout lol.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:05 | 2825570 Miss Expectations
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Which is the same as criticized by Nigel Farage here:

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:22 | 2826233 peter4805
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Nigel pretty much cuts her to pieces. Go Nigel!!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2827724 A Man without Q...
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Exactly - Brussels will tell them they cannot stay in Euro, hence access the ECB, so they would face a collapse of their banks.  Unfortunately, they are trapped, and Madrid knows it.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:56 | 2825099 Banksters
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Jon Corzine here.... I wanted to give a shout out to the peasants: Suck my DICK!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2825129 Skateboarder
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But good sir, how do you expect one to suck on anything that microscopic?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:17 | 2825180 Ying-Yang
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Here let me help... where are those tweezers?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:43 | 2826073 BigJim
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Make mine zircon-encrusted

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825150 CPL
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Thanks Jon,

Glad to hear you are doing alright.  Eat a bag of dicks.



Everyone that works for a living.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:19 | 2825181 Banksters
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Steal a candy bar in America and go to jail. Steal a billion and suffer a tarnished reputation..

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:51 | 2825280 sushi
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Steal 500 billion and get a huge bonus and a promotion and glowing write ups in the trade press for your business acumen.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:15 | 2825611 Grinder74
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Steal trillions from multiple generations and be called the Greatest Firstest Black President Ever!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:39 | 2830847 Lin S
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This post has had me in STITCHES for TWO DAYS!!!




Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:57 | 2825103 Dr. Engali
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Spain has a military? Maybe the military should look for the real traitors. I think it's the bankers who should be charged with high treason.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:21 | 2825156 Negro Primero
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Ejército Español Se Prepara Para Eventual Invasión De Catalunya:

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:22 | 2825202 Dr. Engali
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LOL do you say "fuck that hurt" in Spanish?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:46 | 2825268 Negro Primero
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"ayayayyy...coño como duele!" hehehe...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:42 | 2825699 dogbreath
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:20 | 2825192 Banksters
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You are spot on!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:20 | 2825194 Banksters
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You are spot on!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:53 | 2825289 ebworthen
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This is why Jamie Dimon and J.P. Morgan Chase (Chase bank for those with low SAT scores) have an aggresive hiring campaign for U.S. Military veterans.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:20 | 2825827 MiltonFriedmans...
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Good doctor,

If ZH were to go viral there might be a chance, however slim.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:58 | 2825106 straightershooter
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HA! Watch out.


How about Illinois? Yeah, I can see Illinois warns Fed, bail out or else building my own press machine?


Unintended consequence (UC)? At the end of day, UC prevails!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:02 | 2825124 DUNTHAT
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WOW there goes obummers' election !!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:29 | 2825436 N. B. Forrest
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Only in my dreams.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:59 | 2825109 Vincent Vega
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So if they secede can they still play in the new lottery?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2825126 Dead Canary
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Yes, but they have to give back all their Spider Man towels.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:53 | 2825288 sushi
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They cannot give back the towels. The towels have already been posted as collateral with the ECB.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:18 | 2825815 MsCreant
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Have you ever heard of rehypothecation? It is a very important part of the vaporization/Corzining process.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 08:40 | 2827383 jerry_theking_lawler
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the actual towels...or a receipt for towels in a chinese warehouse.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:59 | 2825112 Zero Debt
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Bullish for Catalan bonds!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:04 | 2825133 magpie
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Them and Euskadi probably have their own Euro designs ready in the top drawer

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:00 | 2825118 Northeaster
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The Separatist States of America?

Sounds better than The United Banana Republic States of America we have now. Of course the wild card would be the military.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:12 | 2825358 N. B. Forrest
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We tried it once and Lincoln ruined the party. 


If BO is re-elected, we can try it again, he so incompetent and weak, it just might work this time. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:05 | 2825568 Urban Redneck
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Ports, forts, factories, firepower, infrastructure, energy- the balance seems to have shifted radically in the last century and a half.

The north has most of the banks and bankers though... perhaps a false flag strike on Charlotte to wipe out BoA and the southern banking industry would be a fitting commencement. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:17 | 2825618 Grinder74
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Just claim it for Islam and Mohammed (curses be upon him) and Obummer will let you do anything you want.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:02 | 2825122 Dead Canary
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How do you fight a civil war if you can't pay your troops?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:05 | 2825142 LawsofPhysics
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Yes!!!  Moreover, how do you fight such a war when the raw materials and troops themselves are in the state or region that is seceding?  How's that gonna work when Texas (with lots of gold, oil, natural gas and almost 1/3 of the existing miltary personell) says "fuck you" to the world government from New York?


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:14 | 2825175 Darth Sidious
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as i recall, that was tried about 150 years ago.  didn't work out so well for those seceding . . although it is a fact that one confederate dollar, with which the troops were paid, is now worth well more than one usd.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:25 | 2825213 LawsofPhysics
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Back then there was actually a fairly substantial system of contracts and laws in the Union states and the means to feed and provide for an Army.  Now fraud is the status quo and it is worldwide. In such a situation, possession becomes the law in a fucking hurry.  In this scenario, I'd say that states with a few more natural resources and infrastructure to deliver those resource will fair a bit better.  Sorry, I don't see Boston, New York, and Philly doing quite as well as they did 150 years ago.  In case you haven't been paying attention, weapons manufacturers have also moved back to the south and southwest in particular.  Some really stellar products coming out of companies in Texas and Arizona.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:31 | 2825228 Vincent Vega
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Be proud you're a Rebel 'cause the south's gonna do it again! ~CDB

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:42 | 2825477 lolmao500
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Texas just has to nuke NY or Washington DC if Obama or Romney tries anything.

And last time Perry even TALKED in joking of secession, there were military units in alert ready to invade Texas. So yeah the banksters and Washington DC are really afraid of that black swan happening for real.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:50 | 2825518 LawsofPhysics
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I have been in business for 20+ years and one thing you learn real quick is that all eCONomies are local at the end of the day.  Take a look at where America's volunteer military force comes from dipshit.  If you think these folks are going to turn on their own, you are ignoring 6,000+ years history.  let me guess, you don't think gold is a safe store of value either.  Good luck with that.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:35 | 2825460 Heyoka Bianco
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How long can Texas hold out against 100 million hungry Mexicans? I also seem to recall a  map right here on ZH showing Yexas as one of those broke-dick states full of non-income tax paying, government-teat-sucking losers, not surprising when all their job growth is minimum wage. In fact, Texas, please leave, and take Florida with you. Fucking yahoos!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:27 | 2825644 LawsofPhysics
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If you mean, hungry for work, then you would be correct.  Hungry people also seem to be quite willing to sacrafice themselves in military endeavors too.  Ignore history at you own peril.  In order to do anything you need resources.  A motivated population and resources is the only thing that sustains an army.  But I digress.  Texas really doesn't have to do anything.  Just turn off the flow of natural gas and oil.  Go ahead, walk into the mess of "100 million hungry Mexicans" defending there turf and try to take it.  Don't think you'll get far.

Secession doesn't mean you go to war dipshit.  It means you simply say "fuck off".  Texas could easily do that and they would be just fine.  If only the likes of New York would fuck off.  The point is, in a game of "fuck off", resources matter.  Please, wake the fuck up.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:30 | 2825227 Dr. Engali
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How did Lincoln? He issued non debt based greenbacks for currency.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:40 | 2825253 tenpanhandle
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rape, loot and plunder has always been the coin of warriors.  There, problem solved.  (More whiskey and fresh whores for my men)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:36 | 2825666 Dead Canary
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Rape and pillage

Rape and pillage

Burn that town

And sack that village

~ Attila the Hun

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2825127 dolph9
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The sheeple will quiet down when it's time for the next Barcelona - Real Madrid clasico.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:04 | 2825134 kito
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coming to texas soon.......................................

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825139 americanspirit
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A few days ago on ZH I wondered when the Spanish military were going to make an appearance. Imagine how popular the military would be if instead of threatening Catalonia with treason they started holding very public tribunals charging bankers and politicians with treason and hanging them. Hello Guardia Civil - anyone home under those stylish little black plastic hats?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:14 | 2825173 Cthonic
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Guardia Civil response: too busy chasing down Andorran cigarette smugglers supplying broke Catalonians with cheap smokes.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825145 ChacoFunFact
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i read a cool book where the federal government of the US secedes from the United States of America.  it was based on the premise that the feds own enough land, ports, military, etc. to pull it off.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:43 | 2825260 tenpanhandle
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Short book?  Goodbye and good riddance.  The end

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:19 | 2825394 N. B. Forrest
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Have you ever heard of the saying that possession is 9/10ths of the law.


The feds may own 90% of Nevada, Idaho and Wyoming, but if they secede, and declare that land the property of the new government, it wont do the goons in the DC/NYC axis much good. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:07 | 2825147 Kaiser Sousa
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:09 | 2825153 akak
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Great, so now we are going to have Catalonian Citizenism!

Hagame reir!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:10 | 2825157 BigDeuceLittleToilet
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Definitely Bullish

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:28 | 2825223 JuliaS
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:38 | 2825248 Oh regional Indian
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Blood and Gore-ish?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:01 | 2825319 JuliaS
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You can't spell "Spain" without "pain".

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:44 | 2825710 CynicLaureate
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:09 | 2825773 JuliaS
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...and Spanish word for pain is "dolor". How ironic! That's our word for pain as well!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:35 | 2825883 Ignorance is bliss
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Dolor sounds alot like...dollar..especailly after hyperinflation

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:14 | 2825171 laomei
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So, can we call this the "War of the Spanish Secession" this time round?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:46 | 2825269 tenpanhandle
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Which side would be considered the Hispanics?  Thats the side US will be on.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:17 | 2825185 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Maybe if all of the States of the world go to war with themselves we will achieve some growth?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:23 | 2825205 insanelysane
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war or plague will work

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:48 | 2825273 tenpanhandle
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cut population in half - everyone become twice as wealthy (all your stuff are belong to us).

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:34 | 2825207 gojam
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Catalan independence is the best thing that could happen for Europe and the the world.

Democracy's greatest fault is that the more centralised the government the further it is from the people and the less power the people have over those they elect.

The balkanisation of Europe necessarily increases the power of the electorate and weakens the power of the elected. '

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, but for God's sake keep your politicians even closer still (all the better to hold them to account if/when they betray you)

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:51 | 2825281 tenpanhandle
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keep your politicians on a gibbit.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:26 | 2825215 shovelhead
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Hyuk hyuk,

The retired military wants Catalonians to shut up and keep paying their pensions.

There will be blood in the streets for treason...right after this round of golf.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:27 | 2825219 davidsmith
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Catalonia is the Germany of Spain, except that it has no ties to Spain except to be milked by the rest of Spain.  In this case, the military is not acting as the Francoists, it is acting as the Republicans acted in the 1930s.  However, the Spanish military is spineless.  


What will be interesting is to see if Catalan nationalism spreads to France.  Perhaps we are seeing a realignment of Europe based on ethnicity.


The REAL military has yet to speak--I mean the Francoists.  They dare not raise their heads yet, but they are waiting for civil war to begin, and then the cry of the bourgeoisie for "law and order."  Then the coup will take place.


Same in Greece.  The fascists are FAR in the background (despite the resurgent neo-Nazi movement in Greece) and are pulling the strings with their Goldman Sachs handlers.  


If you ever wonder how anti-semitism persists, this is how.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:44 | 2825262 magpie
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uh Free Occitania ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:27 | 2825220 Gimp
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Calling General Franco

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2825226 Threeggg
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Quick, How fast can they get a GS empoyee to resign and fly to Spain and take his duly elected place in the Catalonia regional parliament ?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2825230 magpie
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You need at least one more to staff their new central bank

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2825231 TheEmperor
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We will not allow these separtists to tear assunder this Union that has been so beneficial to all Europeans.

My apprentice Darth Draghi will rectify this matter....Commander Coty, prepare to execute order 66!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2825232 docj
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Evidently Fraud Street thinks this is wonderful news as it's been straight freaking up for the last 30-minutes or so.

Seriously, under what alternative reality is a "Green" close justified today? #NoFreeMarketsAnymore

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:36 | 2825244 Threeggg
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No, I think thats because of the massive options expiry in Metals and Energy tomorrow.

Massive manipulation !

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:34 | 2825234 debtor of last ...
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ETA will have more support from mainstreet in the near future

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:35 | 2825237 Dead Canary
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:41 | 2825254 Joebloinvestor
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Forget the EU "fracturing".



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:44 | 2825263 darteaus
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Does Catalan have a nuclear program?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:05 | 2825338 ParkAveFlasher
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They do now.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:47 | 2825271 Diesel Seven
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I wonder if Texas is watching???

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:50 | 2825274 Money 4 Nothing
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Senate votes 90-1 to go to war with Iran. Rand Paul the only hold out.

You can also find a copy of this story in the LA Times.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:58 | 2825304 JR
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Not to accept containment as an option is a declaration of war.

Israel Already Is Making War on Iran

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff (retired economics professor) on September 24, 2012 

Israel is making and supporting 4th generation war on Iran. It's using several of the tactics of such warfare. In addition to Stuxnet and the assassination of scientists, there is support for terrorists within Iran that are anti-government.

Power lines to Fordo were cut by explosives. I suspect Israel's hand in that. Iran reports that it discovered explosives planted in equipment it imports through a distributor from Siemans in Germany. Siemans denies planting explosives. I suspect Israel's hand in that too. Israeli agents could have reached the distributor or introduced explosives during the transportation. There is evidently a concerted and systematic campaign against anything Iran does related to nuclear energy. Yet another report is of a monitoring device camouflaged as a rock that blew up when moved. The British intelligence service MI6 is sometimes accused of being behind some of this.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:28 | 2825434 Tenshin Headache
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"By a vote of 90-1 early Saturday, the Senate backed the nonbinding measure that specifically states that it should not be interpreted as an authorization for the use of military force or a declaration of war"


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:49 | 2825276 JR
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Finally, the next step, banker aggression has become military aggression.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:00 | 2825278 Floodmaster
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Catalonia has prospered enormously from the housing bubble, The average Barcelona property costs € 598K while Spanish property costs onaverage € 229K !!! They are like Canadians, they are living in a lalaland.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:51 | 2825279 TheInfoman
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Give me a bailout, or give me independence!

Nah!  Not very catchy.  Catelonia's slogan needs a little tooling.



Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:10 | 2825587 Miss Expectations
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Give me liberty and give me debt.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:52 | 2825283 darteaus
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To be taken seriously, the should warn Spain and China to respect their soveignty over Menorca - or else!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:52 | 2825287 falak pema
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The grapes of wrath; for whom the bell tolls; the ideological divide of the Spanish civil war now resurges under the chilling chimes of Oligarchy imposed austerity.

Is this just a knee jerk of regressive desperation or a cry to arms from a Catalonian nation that will not accept the corrupt premises of despotic law, to which it is not party but whose consequences it must assume like obedients serfdom?

Its now the second domino to fall after Greece and the whole of Europe, nay the western world, holds its breath.


Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:41 | 2825665 tip e. canoe
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as much as i hate to say it falak, looks like (a) regressive desperation on the surface:

via economic-undertow:

The ruling parties of Catalonia have sought guidance from Brussels on the legality of secession from Spain, requesting a “route map” for membership of the European Union and the euro as an independent state.

the Catalans appealing to Brussels for relief from the chains would be high comedy if it wasn't so tragic in its ignorance.   of course the key phrase in this sentence is "ruling parties".   hope the Catalonian people will get wise right quick on the fractal nature of despotic law, both above and below.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:55 | 2825294 CvlDobd
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I, for one, am looking forward to the Vuelta A Catalonia. Is Lance banned there? USA! USA!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:07 | 2825295 kevinearick
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northern ca, mendocino, ...

disintegration, martial law...spin the wheel again vanna...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:56 | 2825296 Vince Clortho
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Coming next:  The Rebirth of the Conch Republic.

Long Live the Mayor of Key West.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:00 | 2825301 Future Jim
Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:24 | 2825638 Urban Redneck
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Some fascist federalist republicunt named Lincoln thought differently.

His press lapdogs largely overlooked such things as suspension of the protections of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th ammendments, as well as whatever clauses in Articles 1-4 or 6 of the Constitution impaired his ability to impose his will on others.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 14:59 | 2825311 Joe A
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They really don't like Madrid in Catalunya. It was very harshly oppressed by the Franco regime, just like the Basque country and any other region with its own culture and language for that matter. What they also don't like is that Catalunya along with the Basque country had to support the poor regions. These sentiments for independence have been simmering for some time now. That the army does not like Catalunya to succeed is obvious. The army sees itself as the saviour of the State. And there are many with sympathies for Franco in the army. And since the verdict on the call for independence by Kosovo, everybody can take this verdict as a precedent and call for independence.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:14 | 2825370 Count de Money
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True, while Franco was alive, it was illegal to speak Basque or Catalan in public.

Catalan is closer to French than it is to Spanish and Basque is in a category all its own.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:02 | 2825322 Uncle Remus
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Wait - does the Spanish Air Force still have Stukas with sirens?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:05 | 2825334 magpie
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Fun Fact:

Angry Catalans conquered Greece once

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:05 | 2825337 corndog
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I wish North Carolina would try again! Bring it!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:12 | 2825359 Benito
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Headline is misleading. The Spanish military has not threatened with anything. It's the AME, an association of retired military with an ultra-right wing ideology.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:25 | 2825417 Floodmaster
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Standard & Poor's cuts Catalonia debt rating to junk status... Catalonians aren't Germans, they're just pompous.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:28 | 2825430 balolalo
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As economies of scale collapse so does the scale of their economies which must include territorial soverignty.   History is rhyming for us here.   Listen to the beat and you can figure out where the song is headed. 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:27 | 2825431 Atoyota
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I wonder if Banzai can come up with a Clint Eastwood style theme on this spahgetti western... fistful of dollars, few dollars more?

Just throw in an empty chair to make it current.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:36 | 2825462 Skateboarder
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For a wheelbarrow piled with fiat?

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