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Spanish Military Threatens Treason As Catalonia Seeks Secession Referendum

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"Do not play with the feelings of the Catalans" is the totally unveiled threat after Catalonia's beggars-can-be-choosers demand for an unconditional bailout fell on deaf ears. The traditionally separatist-minded province has decided, according to ANSAmed, has decided to pull a Greece - and escalate with a move to secession. A resolution, on the right of the Catalan people to cut off ties with the Spanish state, will be voted on Thursday by the regional parliament.

 

 

This statement of "the will of Catalan people to vote on the bond with the State of Spain" opens the way for forthcoming elections on November 25 to become a referendum on the sovereignty of Catalonia.

 

The Spanish military are not taking this lying down with the counter-threat that these 'separatists' and their 'inappropriate and unacceptable' threat to break-up Spain shall be, according to El Economista, charged with high treason. We are sure Draghi has a 'grand plan' for this.

 

Via ANSAmed: Spain: Catalan Parliament will vote on right of independence

(ANSAmed) - Madrid, September 24 - The parties which played a central role in the National Day of Catalonia on September 11, 2012 are now working on a statement on the right of the Catalan people to cut off the tie with the Spanish state.

 

The resolution will be voted on Thursday by the regional parliament, at the end of the general debate due to start tomorrow. To the writing of the resolution on sovereignty, which is not binding, are participating the following parties: Convergencia i Union (CiU), the ruling party in the Generalitat, with 62 deputies; Iniciativa (ICV-Euia), with 10 deputies; Esquerra Republicana (ERC), 10 deputies, the independents of Solidaritat, 3 deputies, and Joan Laporta.

 

The Popular Party (PP) (18 deputies) and Ciutadans (3) are against the initiative, while the Socialist Party (PSC, 28) proposes to move towards the construction of a federal state.

 

According to Spanish media, the statement won't be only a proposition, as others rated in the past by the Catalan room, but goes further, and expresses "the will of Catalan people to vote on the bond with the State of Spain".

 

In addition to this, it opens the way for forthcoming elections which may already take place on November 25, and a referendum on the sovereignity of Catalonia, claimed by parties supporting a national indipendence. A decision which, as indicated by the Catalan President Artur Mas, must be taken by the majority of the Parliament.

 

After the refusal of the government of Mariano Rajoy of a fiscal pact with Catalonia - a privileged system of financing, such as those in the Basque Country and in Navarre - Mas said that it was time to take a step forward, even with the a referendum for indipendence.

 

For his part, the Secretary General of Convergence (CDC), Oriol Pujol, declared to be "skeptical about a dialogue" suggested on Saturday by Prime Minister Rajoy, to check the possibility of an agreement on the financing of Catalonia. He also urged the Prime Minister to take initiative and "Do not play with the feelings of the Catalans".

 

According to La Vanguardia, the model for the new Catalonia would be Scotland. (ANSAmed).

 

Via El Economista: (Google Translate'd) But military warn of the consequences of promoting "fracture of Spain"

Spanish Military Association (SMA) has warned Monday that those who cooperate or allow "fracture" of Spain should "respond with all the utmost rigor" in the courts in the field of military courts by the "serious charge high treason. "

 

In a statement, the association warns that "the highest office" and "governments" should take "appropriate action immediately to remove any hint of secession without armed forces look serious and unpardonable in tessitura to comply scrupulously strictly with the mission and that the Constitution gives them to ensure the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of our country. "

 

"If it had unfortunately-warn-act, there must be no doubt that those who have allowed, participated or assisted in reaching this last time but repeated threat of fracture of Spain, by commission, omission or out of your constitutional positions shall be accountable to the fullest extent of all so serious charge of treason before the courts in the field of military jurisdiction. "

 

For this association, the attitude of the president of the Generalitat of Catalonia, Artur Mas, and members "separatists" of Parliament is "inappropriate and unacceptable" and "not consistent with any of the ways with the duty and responsibility as representatives of the state, are required to observe and exercise ".

 

According to AME, current events in Catalonia are the result of "a frightening economic crisis and other manifestly disastrous political management by the formations that incur a high treason to voluntarily maintain a system of electoral representation that encourages the emergence and establishment of separatist nationalism to give in to his blackmail votes to stay in power. "

 

This association, which is not registered in the Register of Professional Associations of members of the Armed Forces, created in light of the Bill of Rights and Duties of the military-is chaired by retired Colonel Leopoldo Munoz and is mainly composed of former members of hosts and Navy.

 

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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:43 | 2825481 Atoyota
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Well the end of the trilogy was... The good    The bad    The ugly

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:32 | 2825447 lolmao500
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I'm afraid the same thing will happen with Quebec in Canada down the line.

Civil war in Canada? Yes we can.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:41 | 2825468 Floodmaster
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Quebec without alberta's oil sands and the Canadian dollar ??? It's a near socialist state ...

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:31 | 2825650 Lore
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Péquistes are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Québécois "sovereignty" and "national identity" are red herrings, dangled to ensure continued flow of Ottawa dole. Québec would likely collapse within weeks or months of achieving real "independence" even in Kondratiev Spring. Consider the handouts to that province's big employers. Welfare statism is the essential fabric of that "distinct society." Try to free them -- REALLY free them -- and debt slaves will fight tooth and nail.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:53 | 2825528 toomanyfakecons...
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History has proven the South right... and Quebec isn't wrong.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:56 | 2825506 BlackholeDivestment
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P.S. All you military personnel, oh yes you are a Suicide Vampire Squid's Gun Toting Whore. You do not stand for life liberty freedom and independence, you stand in contempt ...bitchez. 

If you are still dumb enough to be in the military, and you are still under the strong delusion that you represent anything beyond the contempt of the Banks Mark of Debt upon you ...just shoot yourself now, you dumb shit.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 13:24 | 2828565 dadichris
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wow - usually i just say, "don't be fooled into joining the military ...bitchez"

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:53 | 2825529 robertocarlos
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My Danish cousin lives in Catalonia. I should visit him.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:00 | 2825554 Lore
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CATALAN = NEXT IN LINE FOR REGIME CHANGE. SEND IN THE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.

Seriously, this isn't treason, it's the people exercising their right NOT to be part of the bankster debt pathocracy.

The military should weigh its priorities carefully, as its paycheque may soon be in doubt. 

"All of this has happpened before, and will happen again..."

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:12 | 2825596 toomanyfakecons...
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Not sure about Spain's form of government, but "secession" would indicate that it's a "voluntary union of states" or something like that. Better to die standing with a rifle in your hands that to live on your knees as a slave.

 

The MASS ARRESTS are coming... sure as the sun will cross the sky, they are coming... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:13 | 2825602 dwdollar
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That's a hoot. The Spanish military should be charged with Dereliction of Duty (or whatever the Spanish equivalent is) for allowing foreign interests to invade and control Spain.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:40 | 2825896 lolmao500
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Same goes for every western countries militaries.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:38 | 2825685 chemystical
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See Ft Sumpter South Carolina  April `0, 1861.  "Thank you very much, but we'll be taking possession of OUR property now.  I'm sorry that you've refused to surrender back OUR property simply because your flag happens to be flying over it at the moment.  By the way, you'll notice that you're significantly outnumbered and far away from home."

Still didn't turn out too well (and 150 yrs later they still have not recovered).  Pity.  Force people into a union at the point of a gun and then expect them to smile.

Nothing in the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution precluded a State from leaving the Union.  In fact, language in both (albeit explicitly stated in the prior contact but incorporated by reference  i.e. the A of C) expressly permits it.  THe drafters had ample opportunity to include such language and it was in fact discussed.  That is is NOT included in the "contract" is the salient point.  Lincoln was a murdering war criminal.    Alas, history is not only written by the victors but judged by them.  

Moral high ground: those secessionists and today's would-be secessionists.  A "high ground" that's too often viewed from 6 ft under.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:39 | 2825687 chemystical
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See Ft Sumpter South Carolina  April `0, 1861.  "Thank you very much, but we'll be taking possession of OUR property now.  I'm sorry that you've refused to surrender back OUR property simply because your flag happens to be flying over it at the moment.  By the way, you'll notice that you're significantly outnumbered and far away from home."

Still didn't turn out too well (and 150 yrs later they still have not recovered).  Pity.  Force people into a union at the point of a gun and then expect them to smile.

Nothing in the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution precluded a State from leaving the Union.  In fact, language in both (albeit explicitly stated in the prior contact but incorporated by reference  i.e. the A of C) expressly permits it.  THe drafters had ample opportunity to include such language and it was in fact discussed.  That is is NOT included in the "contract" is the salient point.  Lincoln was a murdering war criminal.    Alas, history is not only written by the victors but judged by them.  

Moral high ground: those secessionists and today's would-be secessionists.  A "high ground" that's too often viewed from 6 ft under.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 16:52 | 2825738 NoWayJose
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Checklist - 1930's versus 2010's - scary:

1.  Global depression - check

2.  Runaway money printing - check

3.  Germany trying to control Europe - check

4.  Runaway inflation - coming

5.  Spanish Civil War - coming

6.  Austrian Paper Hanger - coming... 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:00 | 2825763 Uncle Remus
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"My political aspirations are bigger den dis birth certificate."

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:19 | 2825824 Tango in the Blight
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7. Sino-Japanese war - coming

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:16 | 2825810 Tango in the Blight
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Second Spanish Civil War imminent?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:20 | 2825828 rsnoble
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But I thought all the problems were solved why would they want to do that? I mean that's what they keep saying. LMAO.  People are staight fed the fuck up with elites and their governments fucking them every which way.  

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:55 | 2826525 MiltonFriedmans...
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I think you're underestimating the sheeple's willingness to be fucked.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:21 | 2825902 Reptil
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Umm yes, that's what was to be expected (and predicted ;-).

Once there's a push for more centralisation, there's a counterforce that will inevitably form in the smaller unities of culture, business, ethnicity.
That's why the NWO will fail, at the moment they succeed in undermining and corrupting the larger nation states (that took CENTURIES to reach some sort of balance), they'll have a world that's more divided and out of their control.
And then? Play province against province? Or crush Al Qua... eehm El Catalunia?

They're treating people, and human organisations as a simple machine. It's possible to corrupt all the facets that make up a human organisation (all prestent western society), then destroy it, using avarice and hate as tools. But these power clowns know NOTHING about BUILDING human civilisation. They're spiritual MIDGETS.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious and the direct consequences weren't as sad.

What's the army going to do? And the Guardia Civil? Are they going to report to Van Rompuy? That's their boss now. Or is it Draghi. Or just skip the whole circus and telegraph Blankfein? Fools. Idiotas. OBSOLETE and CONFUSED

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:31 | 2826028 asierguti
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Most people fail to see what all this is about. This is not about the independence, it is about money.

 

Now, think carefully, how can a default region say that the independence is the solution? Their balance sheets and current account are manipulated to show that they give more to Spain than what they receive from it. If they are so rich, why do they need to ask for liquidity funds, they increased taxes on gas to finance healthcare, and they launch "patriotic" bonds? It's all bullshit.

 

So, most people do not know how nationalists play politics in Spain. Politicians in Catalonia are always after Spanish money, and they will use any excuse and any strategy to get it. They realized that PM Rajoy is rather weak, and therefore, threatening with an independence will force Rajoy to give them more money to calm them down.

 

Actually, this is what happened. Rajoy already agreed in giving them more money.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:03 | 2826369 New_Meat
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and when they run out of other peoples' money?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:52 | 2826337 boiltherich
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Muggles, they never learn.  Can't remember if that was Voldamort or Mario Draghi but it is still true.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:18 | 2826406 shutdown
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Where's Franco when you need him? 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:20 | 2829355 boiltherich
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James Franco?  The hot guy of questionable breeder credentials? 

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 21:20 | 2826582 Tum
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When economic insanity becomes the norm, revolution becomes the solution.

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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:21 | 2829736 Jstanley011
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Sat, 10/06/2012 - 10:44 | 2862638 lakecity55
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Oh, no! Trolling by the PLA!

Begone, Chicoms!

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 23:10 | 2826839 skepsis101
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Methinks appropriate here. . . 

an old Catalan expression.  Sr. Mas to Sr. Rajoy - "Nos han futut y no nos han pagat!"

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 00:57 | 2826993 Dabale arroz a ...
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This Spanish Military Association represents a small far-right minority inside the Spanish military, according to this piece of news: http://www.ara.cat/politica/Associacio-militars-espanyols-amenaca-tancs_...

Here is the original note: http://www.ame1.org/noticia.asp?idReg=1929

So I don't take this especially seriously (I am Catalan, it might be my wish, though...). However, if things go wrong, Spain could use Catalunya as a scapegoat. But I am sure that world elites wouldn't let Spanish or Catalans manage this subject by themseleves without intervening to their interest.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:40 | 2830849 Jeffrey Lebowski
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The Train of Pain leaves for Spain...or something like that

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:29 | 2836658 auric1234
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Catalonia is not "pulling a Greece". It is bailing out the rest of Spain with 9% of its GDP every year due to non-sense fiscal policy in Spain.

Spanish fiscal policy is basically a keynesian drain: Tax everywhere, invest only in some.

Catalans are idiots, they've allowed this for decades but now are getting increasingly tired.

Kinda reminds of something doesn't it? Spain is a lot like a mirror of Europe in some ways.

 

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