For China Size, Not Quality, Matters As First Aircraft Carrier Launched

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In what is likely the biggest sabre being rattled this week in the war-of-words that is occurring in the Pacific, China announced today the launch of its first aircraft carrier. China bought the 300-meter Soviet-built vessel in 1998 from Ukraine and had it refitted at Dalian. It is named Liaoning (which looks almost too much like 'leaning') after China's northeast province where the port is located. The defense ministry said the aircraft carrier, is an important step in "raising the overall fighting capacity" of its naval forces.

Rear Admiral Yang Yi noted that "it is natural that China should have its own aircraft carrier," arguing that all major world powers already own similar vessels. Of course, the coincidental timing is no surprise as Reuters notes "China will never tolerate any bilateral actions by Japan that harm Chinese territorial sovereignty," Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun told his Japanese counterpart on Tuesday as the two met in a bid to ease tensions.

 

 

"Japan must banish illusions, undertake searching reflection and use concrete actions to amend its errors, returning to the consensus and understandings reached between our two countries' leaders."

 

Stratfor provides some more color on the current state-of-play (and some history)... as Taiwanese water-squirting was underway (no, seriously!!)

 

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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:34 | 2830223 CreditcalMass
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Too bad they don't have any planes to fly off of it.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:37 | 2830236 spinone
Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:11 | 2830362 Precious
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This modern Chinese ship can launch 100 water balloons per second.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:15 | 2830375 sunaJ
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Psychologist Steven Pinker contends that we have become a much less violent world society in the past several decades.  I was going to argue against that point but then I saw the video of opposing boats squirting each other with water and thought he might be on to something.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:22 | 2830394 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Chinese citizenism on the high seas.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:29 | 2830401 Pure Evil
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Well, my aircraft carrier is way bigger, and its capable of squirting millions of Sea Men onto the Vage Beaches with the purpose of fighting their way up through the Uteral Canal to ultimately claim victory at Egg Harbor.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:24 | 2830571 Ahmeexnal
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Chinese carrier has just scored its first sink: the NIKKEI.
Down 1.7% and in freefall.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:28 | 2830747 markmotive
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World War III Began as a Water Fight

 

 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:45 | 2830781 Cathartes Aura
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typical pissing contest. . .

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:09 | 2830812 akak
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Let's just hope the launch of the CS Chinese Citizenism is more successful than this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7muCkKTSyo

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 05:48 | 2831094 Haywood Jablowme
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Yes, the good ole' maiden voyage clip....was waiting for someone to post that lol

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:09 | 2831727 Boris Alatovkrap
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Russia is make crap boats - but is make good anchors... very very large anchors, is big to hold aircraft and crew!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:29 | 2830906 dugorama
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as my grandmother used to tell me: "never get in a pissing contest with a skunk"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:17 | 2831177 tonyw
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Don't get into an argument with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and thay've got years of practice.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:12 | 2831734 Boris Alatovkrap
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Bubba is tell Boris "never piss on skunk with red boots". Bubba is senile, so is no make sense, but is still good advice, no?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:06 | 2830685 Taint Boil
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LOL

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:26 | 2830743 fourchan
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they should work on conquring the world with dim sum, that shit is delishious.

is this that stupid fucking ramp boat they rolled out a while back?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:43 | 2830778 Spitzer
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These ramp jobs seem a hell of allot simpler then the catopalts. Russian shit is all about simplicity. That is why the world uses thair rockets to launch shit into space now. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:42 | 2831004 Urban Redneck
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The world uses Russian shit because no one can afford US shit w/o a handout from Uncle Sam to cover the bill, which is conveniently printed up by Uncle Ben at no cost.

The US MIC would be decimated in an open market by actual competition and the removal of corruption and monopolisitic barriers to market entry.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 03:59 | 2831047 peter4805
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Back when the US and the Soviet Union were engaged in the space race both countries discovered they had a small problem. It seems that pens will not write properly in a zero gravity environment. The US spent several years and many millions of dollars in research and developement. Eventually came up with a pen that worked properly in outer space. So what was the Russian solution? They used pencils instead.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:25 | 2831191 outofideas
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Incidentally, that is actually an urban story. Fisher invented the space pen all on his own, with no NASA money, and sent them to the space program to try them out. NASA was using pencils before that. A couple of years later the Russians ordered 100 pens themselves from Fisher.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 08:05 | 2831266 StandardDeviant
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Furthermore, it's not a great idea to allow electrically conductive particles of graphite to float around in zero gravity near your spacecraft's electronics...

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:04 | 2830511 mjcOH1
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I'm actually really impressed that they got it to sea, based on the description of its initial condition (no engines/electronics/weapon systems).

Lots of lessons learned there, no doubt.   Odds are it'll be a maintenance nightmare and never fit to fight.   But the mistakes made and indigenous engines and electronics that get beta tested on there will end up on a more useable domestically produced second carrier.

 

I''ll bet the crew overflows the toilets if they're ever told to bring this one into combat though.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:25 | 2830576 Ahmeexnal
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I''ll bet the crew overflows the toilets if they're ever told to bring this one into combat though.

They can always shart the deck.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:36 | 2830608 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I''ll bet the crew overflows the toilets if they're ever told to bring this one into combat though.

They can always shart the deck.

Frush toirets are unnecessariry comprex extravagance. To use the head, visuarize fright deck as 300 meter road.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:23 | 2830894 Schmuck Raker
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"What the fuck is a 'Frush'?"

-Booger

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:38 | 2830614 YouAreBliss
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The second one in 2030.  In time to meet our PGS, and swarmbot fighter-bomber groups.

Good luck Commies.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:13 | 2830709 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The second one in 2030.  In time to meet our PGS, and swarmbot fighter-bomber groups.

I believe those will all be occupied protecting the homeland's Purity Of Essence from indigenous terrist threats.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:55 | 2830803 Zap Powerz
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Its cute you think the USA will be a super power in 2030.  Where are we going to get the money in 18 years after trillion dollar plus per year deficits?  Dude, the chinese will just buy OUR air craft carriers and swarmbot figther-bomber groups.

Good luck bankrupt stupid fucking retarded crony capitalists.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:37 | 2830911 RafterManFMJ
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Our interest payments to the Red Chinese on our debt they hold just about pay for their entire military budget;  So we send them our jobs, our IP, and sweet cash.  Golly, what the FUCK could ever go wrong with this plan? If I understand it correctly, it's brilliant.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:32 | 2831556 Apocalicious
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Actually, the solution is brilliant, albeit likely elusive to our either too ignorant or not ruthless enough dear leaders. Simply refuse to allow any foreign entity to buy domestic real assets. Print like mad, get all pensions out of treasuries, then renege on our debts. Fuck foreign holders of treasuries and dollars. Result, market enforced austerity as we're closed out of debt capital markets and newly lemon freshened national balanced sheet. Strategic default! All the cool guys are doing it!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 13:51 | 2836072 mkkby
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Are you retarded or what?  They already have the manufacturing plants of every fortune 500 company.  What do they need our paper for?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 04:18 | 2831058 toothpicker
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Same owners different flags

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:47 | 2830641 potlatch
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See, there are bad wisecracks and off the cuff comments, and then there is this: a simple desciption of what China just hung around its neck.  One gigantic liability.

 

And if anyone responds, "yeah, so what does that make the US Navy?" someone needs to understand the difference between a military liability and a military asset.

 

This is one huge floating liability.  Suckers.  We arm race you long time!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:45 | 2830784 Spitzer
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as if the complex US carriers are not a liability. China can afford to pay for it, the US is in debt to run its shit

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 01:26 | 2830954 vato poco
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A country whose entire social and political stsus depends on the concept of 'face' (second only to 'family' and 'bribes') most certainly **cannot** afford to admit the loss of something so huge as an aircraft carrier. No China pol will ever risk his career/bank accounts/life by allowing it into _actual_ harm's way - as opposed to the current water fights.

That thing will never see combat.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 08:25 | 2831316 kralizec
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"That thing will never see combat."

Truth.  You called it right, it is just a pretty girl on the arm of an ugly rich dude, pure window dressing, overcompensating for an obvious lack...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:09 | 2830976 uff the fluff
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For the absolute last time people!

 

China is not some sort of debt-free Shangri-La of economic awesomeness heretofore never embodied on the planet Earth.

 

Yes, economic "growth" has required the creation of ever more fake-debt-money in America and Europe, but such is the case in China as well. Get a grip!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:17 | 2830985 The Navigator
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Spitzer

It's worse than that - we use the Bank of China credit card to fuel up our ships.

Sure we could take over Iranian oil fields or just fuel up at the Iraqi docks - but if we have to pay for anything, it's done with the BOC credit card or Uncle Bens free money printing press.

it's all such a fucking farce.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:00 | 2831988 toady
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Nuclear powered ships require oil- based fuel? That argument is REAL old. Eisenhower figured that one out in 50's. The navy has enough nuclear powered ships to do what needs to be done.

Sure, a lot of the non-nuclear fleet would be out of luck in an oil-less environment, but I'm sure they have enough on hand to get the job done at any given moment. If anybody tried to cut the oil off they have enough fire power to take the oil.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 13:56 | 2836089 mkkby
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Hey dipshit, did Ike invent nuclear powered planes as well?  And... take the oil?  So a few thousand sailors can surround a field, all the pipes, the terminals and the refineries too.  And if the enemy blows it up, they can just carry it away in their pockets.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:13 | 2831746 Boris Alatovkrap
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For QE3, America is borrow from self to fly flag!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:31 | 2830908 dugorama
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all your destroyers are belong to us

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:37 | 2830912 Lore
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Maybe this is the next toy the Chinese Navy will show off in San Diego Harbour.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:02 | 2830669 palmereldritch
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Statistics of late would suggest considerable caution if they are retaining that boat to transport recent massive gold bullion purchases.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:28 | 2830990 agNau
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SS Chitanic?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 03:55 | 2831046 ebworthen
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That carrier will serve as a hunk of metal that is considered Chinese territory that can be sent to various locations.

Carriers are obsolete anyway, the Chinese are spenidng real money on subs and space weapons.

Carrier makes a good sacrificial lamb to justify hostilities, or weak foreign leaders.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:36 | 2834380 thefedisscam
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You will be even more surprised in <2 years from now. China will have the FIRST aircraft carrier completely made by themselves!

The West can laugh all they want. Yet, I bet NO one wants to engage a fight with China!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:26 | 2830408 chump666
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He said that? Pinker smokes too much dope.

Type beheading into Google (ala Mexico insanity)

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:35 | 2830431 NachoLiebor
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I'd be concerned when they brought out the shit-flinging catapults.

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