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Guest Post: Blowback Works Both Ways
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics
Blowback Works Both Ways
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad knows how to inflame American and Israeli leaders.
He’s claimed 9/11 was an inside job:
Making reference to what he called the “mysterious September 11th incident” and the “slave masters and colonial powers” of the West, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad excoriated Western member nations in an address to the United Nations General Assembly in New York
Ahmadinejad said after the speech that as an engineer he’s sure the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center in New York were not brought down by jetliners.
Ahmadinejad, in an interview with The Associated Press, says it would have been impossible for two jetliners to bring down the towers simply by hitting them. He says some kind of planned explosion must have taken place.
(Amusingly, this sparked al-Qaeda to supposedly put out a counter-statement defiantly claiming responsibility and condemning Ahmadinejad, although such disputes have not prevented America from claiming that Iran and al-Qaeda were jointly responsible for 9/11).
He’s claimed that the holocaust may have never happened:
During an interview with CNN, which aired Monday on “Piers Morgan Tonight,”the Iranian president said he will not judge Nazi Germany’s extermination of the Jews during World War II.
“Whatever event has taken place throughout history, or hasn’t taken place, I cannot judge that. Why should I judge that? I say researchers and scholars must be free to conduct research and analysis about any historical event,” Ahmadinejad said.
And today, he claimed that Israel was a “nuclear armed fake regime”, and that Israel will be eliminated:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday Israel has no roots in the Middle East and would be “eliminated,” ignoring a U.N. warning to avoid incendiary rhetoric ahead of the annual General Assembly session.
Ahmadinejad also said he did not take seriously the threat that Israel could launch a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, denied sending arms to Syria, and alluded to Iran’s threats to the life of British author Salman Rushdie.
Ahmadinejad claims that Israel and America are bluffing in their threats to attack Iran:
In a series of combative interviews in New York on the eve of the UN General Assembly, Iran’s political leader said Israel was making a lot of ‘noise’ and encouraging the West to prevent legitimate scientific progress in his country.
Reiterating that he was open to dialogue with the United States on the nuclear issue he also said he was prepared to defend Iran from any external threat.
“Fundamentally, we do not take seriously threats of the Zionists,” he said. “We believe the Zionists see themselves at a dead end and they want to find an adventure to get out of this dead end. While we are fully ready to defend ourselves, we do not take these threats seriously.”
He may be right on that count, because America can ill afford another costly invasion, and nothing less than a full invasion and regime change is likely to in the long run prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.Yet while I believe that an American or Israeli attack on Iran is an entirely foolish policy that will only serve to weaken America and Israel in the long run, it is foolish and dangerous for Ahmadinejad to needlessly enrage the ferocious neoconservative beast.
Ahmadinejad may well be playing the same long game as Osama bin Laden:
We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy.
Osama bin Laden
And they may succeed (although those who believe that war is a stimulus that can end a depression will surely disagree — as Antal Fekete has noted, Western governments may look to a new hot war in the middle east as an opportunity to exit an economic depression that they cannot control). But for Ahmadinejad and Iran, it may come at a huge, huge cost — a long painful invasion, ending in death in the street or on the gallows. Neoconservatism — and Obama and Romney are both to lesser and greater degrees neoconservatives — is a violent utopian ideology that seeks to force the entire world — by whatever means and at any cost — to conform to American foreign policy imperatives. As America should have learned a long time ago — and as Ahmadinejad may well soon learn — needlessly pissing off violent utopian ideologues creates blowback.
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As an engineer with a little materials and metallurgy background, the heat from the fires could have easily weakened and softened the steel structures of the towers. That softening and the physical damage almost surely led to deformation of the remaing steel structure after the fires had burned a while. Eventually the softened and damaged steel could no longer support the heavy load overhead. Once deformation started and the load started shifting and moving out of alignment and changing the stress loadings that would quickly lead to structural failure.
The video evidence does seem to indicate that the collapses started in the areas weakened by physical damage and softening due to extreme heating. Once the weight shifted even just inches, cracks likely formed, breakages occurred, and the mass of the floors above started falling. The kinetic energy of all that mass accelerating downwards and pancaking each lower floor easily broke the structural members on lower floors. The weight of the falling mass grew with each pancake and was unstoppable.
Ignorance is Strength
9/11: A Conspiracy TheoryFantastic link
I'm assuming that you're unemployed because you're a terrible engineer. How exactly does the video evidence show the collapse accelerating, if floors are "pancaking" one on top of another? Doesn't that violate the basic laws of physics (2nd and 3rd Laws, to be exact)? Equal and opposite reaction...conservation of momentum...any of that ring a bell?
Further, what about the materials around the 30th floors, that hasn't been "heated and weakened"? This material was more than strong enough to support the entire weight of the towers (as it did before it was attacked), and during the collapse tons of material was ejected to the sides of the buildings - ergo, this material around the 30th floor collapsed as a result of LESS force? Seems unlikely.
I hope your former physics professor reads your statement above and either repossesses your degree or bitchslaps you.
Every falling object accelerates. Thats first year physics and in most cases high school physics.
From http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1dkin/u1l5b.cfm
It was learned in the previous part of this lesson that a free-falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. A free-falling object has an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s, downward (on Earth). This numerical value for the acceleration of a free-falling object is such an important value that it is given a special name. It is known as the acceleration of gravity - the acceleration for any object moving under the sole influence of gravity.
you might want to look up the definition of the word "falling"
From my knowledge of your intelligent comments on other things you should realize that the acceleration invoked is increasing the speed and kinetic energy with each second of time during the collapse.
Again, douchenozzle, give it up. Everyone knows that objects accelerate towards the earth at 9.81 m/s^2 - and they do that until what? Until acted upon by an outside force - like a floor or twelve below. This collision takes both time and energy, SLOWING THE FUCKING DESCENT. You can see this principle at work in any collision of bodies, football players, car crashes, bricks being dropped onto each other - they all fucking slow down, they don't accelerate. What should have happened is much like a car crash, or any other collision - the top section impacts the bottom section, it slows down, then it leans towards the side of most asymmetrical damage, and plummets to earth as a solid chunk. It does NOT go straight down through the path of greatest fucking resistance. Get your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up. Use some science.
To my second point, Energy is never destroyed or created, it is only transferred - ergo, if the bottom section of the building was capable of holding the upper section in a static state, then it is capable of holding all of that mass+gravitational energy in a transitive state. The only way that what you see happen is possible, is if the bottom section's "supporting force" was removed by an outside force - explosives are the most likely, but it could also be alien technology or maybe a fucking miracle. Either way, it's not possible in the universe that we live in. Spend some more time reading a book, and less time bragging about how terrible of an engineer you are. What the fuck do you do anyway? Hopefully you don't work on aircraft engines or anything important.
My code is in all commercial airlines. I fixed the famous mixed track bug in TCAS when others couldn't find it. Project hero almost everywhere I worked.
Think of it this way. A paper cup can support the weight of a bowling ball staticaly. Now try dropping the bowling ball from just one foot. The cup crushes and deforms.
The falling kinetic energy from the upper floors was huge and that material was effectively falling from several hundred feet up for most lower floors when that energy got there.
You above statements were so full of mistakes that commenting on them will most likely not help you at all. Any technical people will quickly see how off kilter your statements are and how your comments quickly ran to deragotry remarks which pigeonholed you for most readers into the appropriate slot of banality.
Note from this diagram how quickly steel softens at extreme temps.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html
Once deformation and bending started on any load bearing members, nothing would stop it, as the very heavy load above would be trying to deform those members even more. Just by having the above weight and stress no longer being transmitted directly down through the center of a softened beam but off to a side would try to bend a softened beam even more.
And the bowling ball doesn't deflect noticeably at all. It could flatten cups on cups on cups easily and keep heading pretty much straight down.
and we all know dixie was the towers' main contractor
Have a field trip with Richard Gage and get back to us
"A paper cup can support the weight of a bowling ball staticaly. Now try dropping the bowling ball from just one foot"
yes and we all know dropping a bowling ball one foot above a four inch a dixie cup is the perfect analogy to the relative mass and weight of a few floors collapsing within that massive skyscraper.
let's see to make that work, we would need the rest of manhattan compressed into the size of Wall Street then dropped from three towers above the buildings
Dup.
See http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/energy/u5l1c.cfm and http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1dkin/u1l5d.cfm
Good point. In fact tower 7's fall accellerated so fast that the BBC heard it hit the ground fifteen minutes before it started
The weight of the towers above was a static load before the upper floors started falling. Once it started falling the huge amounts of kinetic energy gained from falling easily could fracture the lower floors which were not designed to handle a dynamic load. The stresses from the fall could easily reach down several floors at a time through walls, girders, and through skin panels, deforming beams that could kick out materials before the pancaking got that far. Even the pancake effect would compress the air of each floor and an outrush of air, debris, and ejecta would be expected, especially for objects close to the windows. As the pancaking was hitting physical objects, breakage and spring loading of parts of those objects near the windows could propel them at speed out the windows before the pancaking could totally smash them.
Does this explain the third building going down?
It explains what it explains. It is what it is.
and it isn't what it isn't
And therefore we can conclude that since it is said that you are what you eat, then it follows that the corollary is then true too, and that we aren't what we don't eat.
true true, I am not genetically modified.
the most convincing part of your theory is the overwhelming number of high rise historical examples
It goes a long way to explaining why controlled demolition is such a sought after and unique expertise to bring those structures down in their own footprint (at the near speed of gravity - sans weakened metal, concrete, sectionals and secretaries). It also solves all questions on why the government had evidence of the worst crime in history immediately removed and prevented from analysis.
not symetrically, not in its own footprint, and not at near freefall speed.
Nor could it create nanothermite, or explosions reported in the basement, prior to the planes, in all 3 buildings owned by Lucky Larry.
Building 7 can't be explained as anything but a controlled demo - why not start there.
Your misunderstanding of the 2nd and 3rd laws indicate that you might be a lawyer.
Forgot for a moment that you are talking thru your arse.
What about the honeycombed concrete cores ?
How exactly did those pancake in compression loading ?
They should have been left standing in your scenario,
Name one way(with historical examples),only one, how they collapsed and disintregrated, without
being severed by demolition charges at multiple levels.
The floor is yours......
There would be a lot of shearing and lateral forces in that churning mass of material, some of which fell from around 1000 feet in height. As you add the mass of each floor the forces would be huge and could snap them easily. Explosions have higher speed blast waves of pressure that would have been seen exiting the building just fractions of a second after detonation, blowing windows and shards very far and very fast. . I only noticed a billowing whoosh of dust and debris and no very high rate ejecta. Plus those cores were structurally tied to other parts of the building that were being deformed in the pancaking and pulling on it from practically right angles and not in a compressive way.
Bollocks.
It you were an engineer.,you would know the cleats securing the free span floors.
would have sheared off long before enough force was applied to collapse the cores.
They are designed not to be too strong,the poured concrete of the
floors are semi floationg with perimeter expansion joints.
The walls on those cores had more rebar yhan you could count in it as well,so Im
not talking just conreted..
Ask for a refund on your tuition,sonny.Or go do the job.
A lot of book learning engineers on ZH.I am not one.
Got my degree a longtime ago ,and then went into manufacting structural steelwork.
Often erected it as well,Did it for a lot of years.
Tyler -- For a follow on article why don't you interview some engineers from high rise controlled demolition firms to see what they think?
The extreme amount of mass moving at high speed and possibly sticking on one side of the core every once in a while and trying to rotate and pivot at times when encountering the obstructions of the lower floors could lead to huge torques which could snap the cores.
Notice the extreme speed of the blast wave of this chemical explosion. It far outpaced the billowing effects and was very distinctly a separate effect.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=fukushima%20blast%20wave%20video&...
I agree with the metal softening, but the free fall of the collapse is not plausible .
Then you take the pentagon hole.... I would look at the holistic evidence, the pre planning of the iraq war, that Pennsylvania plane, building 7, nato stand down, bush, etc. Also the lack of other civilian film footage or credible footage.
The questions are:
If Israel plays whack-a-mullah, will the Iranians be crazy enough to mine Hormuz or attack the US/Allied fleet and will US respond offensively to the assured Iranian response to Israel?
Does the US even care about nukes or Israel or is it about trying to save the petro-dollar that is losing ground anyway? Desperation play?
I'd like to skip the agit-prop and see the real intel they're looking at.
More than likely, we'll get to see how good Russian air defense systems are.
Straits of Hormuz incident real or manufactured? Tick-tock.
Bullish for bodybags.
The real questions are:
If Iran actually uses a nuclear weapon against Israel, which nation, including Iran, would not blame the US for allowing it when we had the time and intel to stop it?
If Iran hits Tel Aviv with The Bomb, how many ZHers will be dancing in the streets, just as the Palestinians were the evening of 9-11-01 when NYC was attacked?
Frankly I think that Israel and the USA are playing the biggest brinksmanship game since the Gulf of Tonkin under Johnson. Who will blink first is all that the Pentagon and Israel are concerned with. They would dearly love it for Iran to attack the growing armada of ships steaming into the Hormuz region. Then they will all draw up a big banner on their ships and instead of "mission accomplished" they will all have "BRING IT ON!!!".
Sure, it is all crazy. However, might I remind everyone that when Khrushchev said that he'd "bury" the west when he banged his shoes on the podium at the UN, the USA and their allies took this at face value. They believed that the USSR might be crazy enough to do exactly that. And, we all came within a few seconds of WW3 with Cuba as the lives of maybe a billion people danced in the air.....who would blink first? Thank GOD that someone reigned in old Nikita and we all survived. Were you in Israel's place and you listened to years of that nattering monkey brained ass wipe in Iran promising to erase you, I think it most probable that you would take it face value, just like in 1961. Iran doesn't have to do much other than unleash Hezbollah. Why should Israel be sanguine to this threat? They pose no existential threat to Iran and have only been drawn into threatening them because of the widely believed nuclear adventures that Iran has denied and will go on denying until they have the bomb. Why should Israel just sit back and do nothing? I say that instead of accusing Israel of being adventurist Zionists it is fairer to say that they are reflecting the open hostility towards their existence from a large military power that has promised to kill them all. But, fairness is not given to Israel; no matter what they do, they are always wrong. That has to stop.
The innocence of Israel is no longer credible. They have a massive storehouse of nuclear weapons, the latest technology in air power and intelligence and an ally in the largest military-equipped nation in history, pledging unfettered support in this newest crisis.
Israel keeps the former occupants of Palestine prisoner in their own land while expanding its own footprint with settlements and, as anyone knows, it has been instrumental in causing the Middle Eastern wars such as Iraq and Syria, aimed at its enemies.
The plea for innocence and “what can Israel do when threatened” is nothing more than a plea for yet another war against Israel’s enemy. And this time this action promises to bring Russia, China, Pakistan and more to the battlefield created by the Zionists.
Here are the words of the real Israel:
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” – David ben Gurion, head of the terror group Haganah and Israel’s first prime minister to his General Staff in May 1948
One wonders whether Ben Gurion, if he had appeared at the U.N., would have been warned not to issue inflammatory remarks.
I think of myself as a supporter of the state of Isreal. Isreaal has a history of using war for stratigic gain, some would call that a survival policy, some would call it a suicide policy. If I was running Isreal I would move to consolidate my gains, and force peace on the Palistinians.
How does one "force peace" on anybody unless through war?
The Palestineans know who butters their bread - Israel the top side, the Arab states the bottom.
You set your borders, facts on the ground. I think one of the reasons Lukid does not want peace is that at the moment no way to secure all of Jeruslam. Forget about a landbridge between the two palistines, let them be two countries. Inform these new nations that any heavy weapons will be destroyed, any missle attacks will result in an instantous response of carpet bombing 1 sq Km. On the other hand we will take the 3 Billion the USA give Eypt and give it to you if we can have a real peace.
On March 28, 2001, at the Arab League meeting in Beirut, twenty-two nations endorsed a resolution introduced by Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. It offered Israel normal relations with all Arab states if Israel complied with UN Resolutions 194 and 242, the latter requiring Israel to withdraw its armed forces from its illegally occupied territories, including the Golan Heights, Gaza, the Sinai, and the West Bank, including Jerusalem.
The next day, a massive Israeli military force surrounded and destroyed the Yasir Arafat compound in Ramallah…
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it
I'll tell you that the Mossad and elements of the CIA and Neocon Jews in the Pentagon and the DoD ran 9/11 to create this shitty dystopia we're fast approaching.
Talmudism is essentially egregious ethnocentrism mixed with megalomania. Assuredly, this isn't what most American or even Israeli Jews think, but strains of it run through Judaism, and what you find in the Orthodox and the Settlers is Talmudic Zionism unfettered by the niceties of post-Enlightenment "universalit" ethics.
Please, please don't tell me it's 'antisemitic' to point out the deep well of xenophobia and racism and ethnocentrism in the Talmud {and Torah for that matter - read Joshua and Deuteronomy and try to claim it's as 'moral' as the NT} - it will make you look like a silly, silly full of shit goose.
http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm
Judeocentrism, not human universalism, is the core of traditional Jewish understanding of the Old Testament. The influential medieval Jewish theologian, Maimonides, advised that “It is incumbent on everyone to love each individual Israelite as himself as it is said, ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’” [MANKIN, p. 37] Although there were some Jewish apologetics with this notion as early as Philo, it was Christian and Enlightenment influences that universalized the Ten Commandments, and liberalizing Jews, mainly since the eighteenth century, began to follow suit, bending and broadening the tenets of Judaism (carefully selecting from contradictory religious references) to encompass a humanistic concern for non-Jews in step with modern universalist-oriented values.
Mosaic law or not, the only time-- till the modern state of Israel -- that Jews have had the opportunity to practice Moses' commandments and the rest of their beliefs (towards themselves or anybody) from a position of complete empowerment was, even by their own ancient religious standards, a disaster. The pinnacle of ancient Jewish history was a series of monarchial regimes that represented a turbulent time of failures in living up to Covenantal laws, incessant quarreling, fratricide, genocide, wars of conquest with non-Jewish neighbors, repeated intra-Jewish civil wars, and other struggles for power and control, rife with continuous bloodletting, as violent as any in human history. Most of this is codified as part of the Jewish religious faith/history in the Torah. The well-known historian, Will Durrant, describes the Israelites' seizure (after the Mosaic moral code was accepted) of the Holy Land from the Canaanites who lived there, like this: "The conquest of Canaan was but one more instance of a hungry nomad horde falling upon a settled community. The conquerors killed as many as they could find, and married the rest. Slaughter was unconfined, and (to follow the text) was divinely ordained and enjoyed. Gideon, in capturing two cities, slew 120,000 men; only in the annals of the Assyrians do we meet again with such hearty killing. [DURRANT, p. 302] Even in the Book of Exodus, when Moses (deliverer of the admonition "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and all the rest of it) discovered his own people weakening, "out of control” with idolatrous dancing, naked, before a "Golden Calf," he directed the Levites, the priest caste, to slay three thousand of them. [EXODUS 33:27-28] Considerable portions of the Bible revolve around violent struggles amongst Israelites for power. Both King David and Solomon -- among the most beloved of the Israelite ancients in the myths of modern Jewry -- had half-brothers with rival claims to the Israelite monarchy murdered. Solomon, for example, arranged for Adonijah to be slain as well as another threat to the throne, Joab, who was even murdered in the Holy Tabernacle. (Both David and Solomon even had forced labor gangs of their own Israelite people). Likewise, Ambimelich, the son of Gideon, (who like most powerful Israelite rulers had a harem of wives and concubines) murdered 70 of his brothers to guarantee the throne for himself. Jeru too, in a fit of ruthlessness, killed the King of Israel, Joram, and then murdered Ahaziah, of the Israelite kingdom of Judah, as well as his two brothers. Then he had all 70 sons of King Ahab decapitated, clearing the way for his own leadership.Israel is is the biggest bullshitter out there.
I think it is the entitlement factor that pisses me off the most.
They invented the victim card to get their grubby mitts on land that was not theirs and they continue to steal more.
They are very good at what they do, but people need to take the blinders off on at least 2 facts, 1. they have nukes 2. an illegal wall.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84
Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979.Breathless predictions that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability, or – worse – acquire an actual nuclear bomb, are not new.
For more than quarter of a century Western officials have claimed repeatedly that Iran is close to joining the nuclear club. Such a result is always declared "unacceptable" and a possible reason for military action, with "all options on the table" to prevent upsetting the Mideast strategic balance dominated by the US and Israel.
And yet, those predictions have time and again come and gone. This chronicle of past predictions lends historical perspective to today’s rhetoric about Iran.
Thanks for this incredible source from the Christian Science Monitor. This is the detailed evidence of propaganda urging an attack on Iran because of its alleged development of a nuclear weapon within a short time; the trouble is, the short time has come and gone but the hopeful lie to put fear in the hearts of the American public rolls on. Again, incredible!
American foreign policy imperatives correction: global banking cartel policy imperatives
the talking heads in Washington aren't doing what the average American wants, so their marching orders must be coming from elsewhere.
Two unfunded wars have helped create the fiscal cliff. Why should i give a fuck about Iran having a nuke? Maybe it would be used to maintain detente. Assured mutual destruction can be a powerful peace maker.
I don't see anything profoundly wrong with what Ahmadinejad says. Iran also said it will target our bases in event of Israel attacking them. Maybe the best we can do is stop supporting Israel and step back. I'm happy to see Obama appears to be downgrading the alliance that has cost us so much in dollars and lives. I don't agree with Ed Koch and others, who are not happy about it, saying:
"A top priority is that Obama tell Iran that any attack on Israel would be seen as an attack on the United States. That way, Koch says, the red lines Netanyahu wants aren’t necessary.”
Great, more saber rattling that could end with us in another pointless war that we can't pay for.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/24/ed-koch-furious-at-obama-over-israel-so-why-is-still-supporting-him/
Maybe the best we can do is stop supporting Israel and step back.
I'm genuinely puzzeled by what you mean with this statement.
All behavior is motivated. Most behavior is either matching to standard or distancing from standard. In this context, the standard (or goal) is all-important. When you say the best we can do, the best we can do against what standard or goal? If the standard is to ensure Israel's survival, the best we can do would be to make certain they survive - using whatever means necessary. If we stop supporting Israel, that would mean we are distancing from standard. And at the moment, this country has not yet made the decision to do that. It is probable that we never will choose to do that.
Answering your now deleted post above,
If Israel chooses to do stupid things that create war, why should we have to stand behind them?
So, because the "country has not made the decision" we are forced to go to war at Israel's command?
I guess I can expect nothing better from the crony capitalistic military industrial complex that controls our legislature.
Because we have a Zionist Occupation Government, which is obvious as soon as you look at who donates the money, runs the fed and sec/fdic, owns runs most of the top 6 or 7 papers, major banks, weapons companies etc etc and how much ink is devoted to Israel and the 'jewish vote' which is no more than 3.5% of the electorate.
Also, people are so well trained and the truth so whitewashed - under ZOG at wikipedia, you learn that it's nothing but an antisemitic canard - as if being anti Likudnik-Zionist means one must hate people who aren't.
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it
It seems a simpler explanation would be that the defense industry has every reason to keep the ties with Israel and lets their cronies in congress know it.
spooz - the deleted post was identical to the post you responded to. It was just in the wrong spot so I moved it.
Edit: Oops. Should have kept reading.
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Okay, you moved your answer down, so I did mine.
Being a neo con means never considering blowback.
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2011/05/never-consider-blowback.html
Except maybe to deliberately count on it to happen?
Last Friday, during question time at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” the director of research at the pro-Israel think tank hinted that a Pearl Harbor-type attack might be necessary to get the United States to go to war against the Islamic Republic.
http://thepassionateattachment.com/2012/09/25/israel-lobbyist-hints-that-pearl-harbor-may-be-needed-to-get-us-into-war-with-iran/
Wow I hope they did not sign on to PNAC
For sure!
However, unless the vast majority of people were to understand that, it will still work. As long as even one quarter of American still believe the biggest bullies' lies, then we are still doomed. There will be whatever it takes to get world war going ... and I do not see the vast majority of Americans, nor most of the rest of the world's people, suddenly stop being anything else than brain dead sheeple, that continue to be fleeced to pay for their own destruction.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE WHO ARE THE BEST AT BEING DISHONEST, AND VIOLENT, IN THE SHORT-TERM, CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS! WHILE THE LONGER TERM CONSEQUENCES OF THEM DOING THAT ARE IRRELEVANT TO WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN THE SHORT-TERM.
Human beings are now too stupid to do anything collectively, except commit suicide together.
Please do some research on Shia eschatological beliefs.
These idiots expect the 12th imam to reveal himself soon and engage in an apocalyptic war....Serious...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36c4Kcr8jwQ
http://www.mahdiwatch.org/
and so? I know some wiccans with some crazy beliefs. You post to some random website, why? What's your point? Flat out propaganda?
Just like that other popular religion..... with that that guy is going to come back...... starts with a J......
This is great news we will have "Won" when the returnee is recognized as Jesus, not some Islamic fellow, it is not only the islamics who are waiting for someone!
Yeah, inside every organized crime gang, the scum rises to the surface. Thus every country, corporation, and church ends up controlled by the people inside of it that were the best at being dishonest, and those who are the best of the best at being dishonest to others are also the best at lying to themselves too!
Welcome to the real world: THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS. All of our leaders, everywhere, are insane, and all of their followers tricked into believing in their bullshit.
Funny thing is, he is bang on correct about everything.
But he should take more care, for the protection of his people and not poke the tiger so much.
It would be better if he could out democracy or out market the USA, in a series of events or articles about Iran.
Iran has better healthcare, education, more manufacturing etc, trot out those numbers.
Oh stop pussy footing around Tyler - you know what you want to say.
"Let's just nuke the bastards"
There you must be feeling better now.
On the plus side it gives us something a bit different to talk about instead of all this "Global economy in the toilet" stuff which is becoming a bit of a downer.