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Paul Ryan: "Do You Want Barack Obama To Be Reelected? Then Don't Vote For Ron Paul"

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It took a while for the unspoken truth to be finally spoken, but sooner or later, it always is. Via The Hill:

Paul Ryan argued Monday that a vote for a third-party candidate would likely help President Obama win reelection.


Ryan was asked why voters should not vote for Ron Paul. The Republican vice presidential candidate responded that a vote for Paul, who ran for the 2012 GOP nomination, would effectively split the vote in a way that helps Obama.


"Do you want Barack Obama to be reelected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul," Ryan said during a campaign speech in Lima, Ohio, on Monday.


Ryan went on to say that Paul was a good friend.


"Actually, Ron's a friend of mine. I know Ron very well. I like Ron quite a bit. There are many things that Ron has championed that I'm a big believer in, especially liberty and sound money."


Although Paul is no longer campaigning for president, he has not endorsed Mitt Romney's campaign.

What if one wants Ron Paul to be elected? Can one vote for Ron Paul then?


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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:23 | 2829367 digitlman
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Fuck you, Paul Ryan.

I can write in whomever I wish.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:29 | 2829387 Precious
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Fuck it, I'm voting for whoever is named Paul, motherfuckers.  

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:29 | 2829414 Lohn Jocke
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Vote Gary Johnson, Bitches!


Even if one American wonders who this "Libertarian" is who won a fraction of a percent, and looks into Libertarianism, it would be a victory.


It's the statue of LIBERTY. Not equality, not democracy, LIBERTY.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:32 | 2829434 metastar
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Don't waste your vote on a democrat or republican.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:35 | 2829458 redpill
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Gaining the support of Ron Paul supporters is easy.  Just start supporting Ron Paul's policies.  It's about liberty, not a cult of personality.


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:37 | 2829471 ATG
Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:45 | 2829507 Precious
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Madonna promises sex with hoofed beast if Romney elected.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:46 | 2829522 Dalago
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Ron Paul write in, Bitchezzzzzzzz!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:51 | 2829551 strannick
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And if you dont want Barak Obama, that doesnt mean you will settle for Mitt Romney.

Ron Paul 2012.

Remember the Paulamo

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:58 | 2829590 clymer
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Yeah, this logic assumes that all democrats are blind obamanoids. There has to be at least few who have woken the fuck up. I mean, shit, how can you vote for a candidate because he promises transparency, and end to executive orders and signing statements, a return of habeas corpus and constituional law, ending fisa, gitmo and warrantless wiretaps, and then FUCKING ACCELERATES EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY KNOWN TO THIS PLANET, ..after getting a nobel peace prize.


You would have to be brain dead to vote for this guy

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:00 | 2829616 youngman
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Because he is black..and he is a Democrat..that is why they  vote for him..

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:07 | 2829657 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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and free food stamps

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:21 | 2829739 francis_sawyer
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What would Homer Simpson Do?


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:31 | 2830210 Max Hunter
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I swear to God i'm writing in Spongebob..

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:48 | 2830291 economics9698
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I want my free motorized wheelchair!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:56 | 2830496 nmewn
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Gimme my "free shit"

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:18 | 2830555 Bendromeda Strain
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It's Free - Swipe Yo EBT!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:26 | 2830582 nmewn
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I sure hope that was a bunch of fiscally conservative black chicks mocking the plantation style of governance by leftist whitey's & their Uncle Tom's ;-)

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:23 | 2830736 fourchan
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i will not vote for the lessor.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:30 | 2830750 jeff montanye
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vote for the lessee.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:33 | 2830755 markmotive
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Paul and Mitt are fucking jokes.

Ass clowns. And not in the good way.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:38 | 2830914 merizobeach
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What does Diebold say about writing in Ron Paul?  Maybe something like... CTRL-X?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:21 | 2831508 Sathington Willougby
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Wholly fuck check out this scumbaggery: 

look at this guy's background, world bank and imf.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:26 | 2830739 erkme73
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"The Sun Sentinel examined federal housing subsidy data from housing authorities in Broward and Palm Beach counties and found 230 homes commanding rents of $2,000 or more, up to $3,375 a month, from Section 8 families. Typically, tenants pay about one-third of their income toward the rent and the TAXPAYER pays the rest."


There, fixed the article.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:22 | 2831185 j0nx
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I shudder to think what these black folks are going to do when the section 8 vouchers disappear overnight. My ENTIRE neighborhood is filled with section 8 losers now. It's at least 50% section 8 rentals now and No, I am NOT exaggerating. I've tried to get some firm numbers as to how many of the 100 homes in my hood are S8 rentals but they make getting that kind of info intentionally difficult. Let's just say that there are quite a few able bodied young black men hanging around on the front stoop at 1PM every day drinking a Schlitz instead of out picking up trash on the side of the road working for that voucher.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:21 | 2829740 Pegasus Muse
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
--Thomas Jefferson

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:24 | 2829749 DaveyJones
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only the true candidate would deny he is the candidate

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:07 | 2829787 LMAOLORI
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The Road to Totalitarianism
Henry Hazlitt, The Ludwig von Mises Institute


Paul Ryan is right and I don't give a crap how many down arrows this receives. As adults you have to make a choice and not voting or writing in a vote that doesn't count is in itself a vote and a political tool. At least with Romney we slow the descent into a third world totalitarian existance.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:15 | 2829920 KIPPY KAPPSLOCK

"At least with Romney we slow the descent into a third world totalitarian existance."


I'd prefer it being sped up.  Anything else is just eating a bag of dicks.  Lets get it on.  

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:37 | 2830768 jeff montanye
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not that there is anything wrong with eating a bag of dicks but how can anyone think, after obama, that electing either a "national" "party sanctioned" (whatever) republican or democrat will slow the slide to totalitarianism?  any halfway objective observer would conclude that the g.w.bush administration put in place the framework of a police state (that ever existed in the shadows, at least since the civil war, ww1 at the latest) and obama slapped in the utilities, doors and windows.  

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:46 | 2830034 spanish inquisition
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The road to Totalitarianism is paved with Red and Blue bricks. The control mechanism is getting people sucked into the belief that "If I don't vote Red or Blue, my vote is wasted". It is the same list of donors controlling both parties. I think half the voters would vote for a non red/blue if they could break out of the mindset.

America vote your conscience! You might surprise yourself.


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:48 | 2830042 Stormdancer
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You've got half of the story at least.  Getting Romney in won't slow anything down though.  It will just accelerate on a different front.

Choosing between Obamney and Rombama is like choosing between arsenic and strychnine.  Just two different ways to die a horrible death at about the same speed.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 01:48 | 2830959 Bay of Pigs
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Theres my guy Stormy. Hey brah...

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:50 | 2830053 lincolnsteffens
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One is for leftist totalitarianism and the other is for right wing totalitarianism. Romney and his bunch are just as much a bunch of liars and manipulators as is Obama. Romney is for the NDAA just like Obama. They are both sponsored by many of the same big spenders.

The MA State Republican Party along with the Romney Campaign denied me credentials as an alternate delegate and put someone in my place that lost the vote. Lying and cheating at the Rep. Convention and many State Caucuses as some of you know. The  Republican Party had an opportunity to bring reformers in to their party and pissed on us instead. Now they are crying "woe is me" because without the people that want to stop the totalitarian state from becoming a reality, they loose.

Republicrat or Democan, we all loose. The Republic has been boiled just like the frog in a slowly heating pot.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:04 | 2830111 DosZap
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One is for leftist totalitarianism and the other is for right wing totalitarianism. Romney and his bunch are just as much a bunch of liars and manipulators as is Obama. Romney is for the NDAA just like Obama. They are both sponsored by many of the same big spenders.


So, what else is new...........................

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:55 | 2830068 nmewn
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If the polls are correct (even though I suspect they may not be) and it is really this close with a known screw up like O'Barry, every vote will count.

This is about getting this arrogantly incompetent, ex-communist turned fascist out of power. One of his first important decisions while campaigning was to pick Crazy Uncle Joe Biden as his running mate...and this was a display of serious, deep thought on his part? Then he allows an avowed communist (Van Jones) anywhere near the levers of law & power? Has everyone forgot the 780 billion in "shovel ready jobs" and the outright lies of dollars per job they tried to foist on the public?

And then ObamaCare, where we had "to pass it to see what was in it" well now we know...its THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN OUR HISTORY. Has anyones insurance premiums gone down?, thay've fucking skyrocketed.  

Now, our embassies are attacked (which is an act of war in itself), one of our ambassodors is murdered and our CnC flies out to Nevada for a fund raiser? He openly mocks people who work and save, then invest their savings and time in building a business that if successful will employ others by saying "You didn't build that!"


However fucked up Mitt may or may not turn out to be, he will still be 1,000% better than this narcissistic pretender.

Ron Paul has a metaphysical certainty of NOT winning. I voted for him in the primary, that was my principled stance, my next one will be about the reality of what is possible. And I don't give a flying fuck how many junks I get either...get over it, he can't win, a vote for him is a vote stolen from (at least the potential) of Liberty.

When has O'Barry ever stood for our Liberty? Was it when he gave his legal opinion on Heller vs DC? Or was it more recently when POLLS showed he was on the wrong side of free speech concerning that stupid ass video? Was it when he signed NDAA or signed ObamaCare which both threaten to send the SS to our doors?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2830199 donsluck
donsluck's picture's better to vote for someone you don't want and get him, then vote for someone you do want and watch him lose?? Anyway you look at it you lose (Paul Simon). So vote your concience since you've already lost (Zen).

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:02 | 2830341 nmewn
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I've already stipulated, I voted for Ron Paul in the Florida primary...long ago and verifiable. I've also already told anyone who would listen (all the way through the primaries) that it would be Mitt vs Mr. Empty Chair...(Zen or prescience?) and I still cast my principled, conscientious vote for Paul.

We're now down to two and whether we believe either of these two men will respect the rule of law, their countrymen's liberties or will go with full bore nanny statism...One has shown he has no problem doing it and will lie his ass off to anyone & everyone (and be caught red handed lying) while doing it and think nothing of it.

It has nothing to do with has everything to do with character.

I'd have much more respect (though still deep loathing) for O'Barry if he just came right out and work for me not yourself, you WILL take public transportation and move to the cities and like it, you WILL gladly give half of your pay to .gov for my bureacracies to squander at their whim, you WILL support me flying all over the country belching Jet-A as I promote "green initiatives" and eating Kobe beef because I give you my food stamps...but he doesn't.

He's a fucking incompetent liar and a fraud.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:41 | 2830776 Likstane
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You took a principled stance in the where are your principles?    Admit it-you really had no principles you would stand for.  You are a capitulator. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:46 | 2830786 crusty curmudgeon
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What you say makes sense if you believe the following two premises, which I believe are false.

(1) A vote for D is considerably worse than R.  Yes, I grant you that everything negative you have to say about O is true.  But there is no real difference here.  Look at all the people who hated Bush with a passion.  And what did they get?  They are generally much happier, but don't ask them why.  For judging not by what they say or have said but major issues on which they act or acted, I see no real difference.  War, deficit spending, entitlement spending, war, war spending, patriot act, etc.  It is all the same.

(2) Your vote matters.  Your vote will not matter.  In order for your vote to matter in a presidential election, you would have to:  (1) live in a state where the number of electoral votes will make a difference, which means you must live in a relatively high population state; and (2) apart from your vote, it must be dead even in your state.  The chances of that happening, I submit, are worse than your being struck by lightning before the election.  If you live in a relatively small state, it matters not who you vote for.

Furthermore, once you participate in this corrupt scheme, you consent to the rules.  You give your assent to the rulers.  By refusing to vote, you refuse to grant your assent to the rulers.  You add to their fear.  They know they are only a few hundred power hungry despots in a country of 300+ million souls.  They must have our consent to rule over us.  The fewer people that vote, the more fear they have that they don't have our consent.  The more right you have to complain about the system because you didn't participate in it.

Yes.  He is a liar, an incompetent and a fraud.  But so is the lesser of two evils.  Only by voting for the LoTE, you grant legitimacy to the whole corrupt system.  And your vote won't make a difference.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:01 | 2831142 nmewn
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A man much wiser man than us once said, paraphrasing, those who refuse to participate in politics consent to be governed by their inferiors. I genuinely believe that in every sense it was intended. I will be voting for the elector who will be against O'Barry. The entire system is not corrupt just the parts of it corrupted by evil men. We all believe in the rule of least those of us who are not anarchists, which I am not.


And to Likstane above principles have never changed and will never change. Only my viable, available choices for getting what I consider one of the most egomaniacal, dangerous men removed from a position of power we have ever had. As crusty curmudgeon can see plainly, my vote is not for an elector for Mitt...its against one for Obama. One to ten electors is not going to get Paul elected but it could very well be enough to get Obama four more years.

Then you can come to me and speak about your principles that he wipes his feet on everyday.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 08:18 | 2831274 crusty curmudgeon
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I agree with you that those who refuse to participate--the apathetic--deserve to be ruled.  And I understand those who confuse the apathetic with those of us who refuse to play a rigged game--after all, the failure to cast a vote looks the same.  But we are not the same.  We are patriots and stand up for what we believe--they are apathetic and deserve what they get.  You cannot label me as one who refuses to participate simply because I refuse to play a rigged game.  I am participating by refusing to grant my permission to be ruled.  I would hope you can see the difference.

I believe the entire system is corrupt and it is a farce.  It is a rigged process that enriches those who are elected and the elections themselves are rigged (in several ways). 

But tell me, how is the lesser of two evils going to be better for us?  At most, I submit to you, it takes us down a longer path to the slaughterhouse.  And how does it feel to vote for the leser of two evils?  You have invited evil to rule you.  As for me, that is something that would not allow me to sleep well at night.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 19:00 | 2833950 nmewn
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Nicely put...

"I agree with you that those who refuse to participate--the apathetic--deserve to be ruled. And I understand those who confuse the apathetic with those of us who refuse to play a rigged game--after all, the failure to cast a vote looks the same. But we are not the same. We are patriots and stand up for what we believe--they are apathetic and deserve what they get."

I knew with all the love Paul gets around here (bordering on fanatical) that what I had to say would bring derision. But am I less of a patriot for still believing in the rule of law whether some parts of it have been rigged against us? I say again...why is it that a ward of the state cancels out my vote? Its taken a very long time for shit to get so fucked up. Popular election of senators is another infringement on the Constitution...this didn't happen overnight and won't be fixed overnight...peacefully anyways.

"You cannot label me as one who refuses to participate simply because I refuse to play a rigged game. I am participating by refusing to grant my permission to be ruled. I would hope you can see the difference."

I've labeled you know that. I've simply stated fact. A vote for Paul gives you Obama. Not voting at all gives you Obama more than likely. Anyone who would vote FOR Paul could never in good conscience vote FOR Obama.

"But tell me, how is the lesser of two evils going to be better for us? At most, I submit to you, it takes us down a longer path to the slaughterhouse."

There are times when its not prefferable or practical to stand on ones the pacifist who refuses to hurt another even in self defense and is murdered...or the starving vegan when presented with a hamburger...he stood for his principles. But now, he won't ever stand for them again.

"And how does it feel to vote for the lesser of two evils?"

Key word lesser...but doesn't (and won't) feel very good. But it is still the lesser of two evils by far, which is the nature of all politics. I would much rather vote for a confirmed asshole who can get things done than the touchy feely things presented to us.

It has always been very easy to promise people "stuff". Very hard to say no, we can't afford it, sorry. We have always been at a disadvantage is this regard and always will be because our base instinct comes from somewhere else.

In closing, you're a good man, its easy to get digusted and throw up your hands...we just see the game differently...I still think we can beat them at their own game, if not now, with, it won't happen till we do the Greek/Spain/Portugal/Italy thing.

And I won't be sharing anythiing (in public) about that ;-)

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:30 | 2834465 Likstane
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Your "principles" are viably enforced.  HAHA

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:48 | 2834747 nmewn
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One of your principles seems to be acting like the spoiled little brat who didn't get what he wanted (Paul) at the store.

Do you have anymore?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:10 | 2834910 crusty curmudgeon
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I suspect this is just semantics but I think the distinction is important.

I don't believe there is EVER a time when it is okay not to stand on your principles.  One has many princicples and frequently they conflict (like your example of the hungry vegan presented with a juicy hambuger).  It is the rare and wise man who has no difficulty "racking and stacking" his principles--always aware of which are more fundamental than others.  He has spent a lifetime building these principles from the ground up.

So when it appears you are not standing on your principles, it only appears that way to a lesser man.  You are merely standing on a different principle.

A woman who sacrifices herself for her child is not abandoning her principles...she's merely standing on a principle even more fundamental than self preservation.

There are a lot of smart people who agree with you on this position of "the lesser of two evils" even if they wouldn't characterize it this way.  So I truly want to understand your thought process.  Thanks for taking the time to explain and respond.

Best wishes.  Peace,


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 18:48 | 2837015 nmewn
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"So when it appears you are not standing on your principles, it only appears that way to a lesser man. You are merely standing on a different principle."


I believe you have covered it just fine. My principled position was a best fit with Paul. The objective being, of course, by voting for Paul (and my conscience and my principles) was still to get rid of Obama. That is no longer a viable option, that is, voting for Paul to remove this shit stain called Obama.

My principles have not changed. I still believe in limited government. I still believe in individual liberty. I still believe the states should be on the same level as the federal government not subservient to it. I still believe in free speech. I still believe in my right of personal defense...basically everything in the Bill of Rights.

Nothing has changed...only the viable options available to me.

You know as well as I do that Paul drew what I call "limited-constitutionalists" to him as well as people like me & you. I can see it in them, I know who they are and what their purpose is. I'm not buying into it.

Peace my brother, good rap and see you round the hedge.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 08:17 | 2831299 kralizec
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Thanks nmewn for confirming what I feared was true.  The hardcore Paul-no-matter-what-hell-comes faction of the Libertarian wing are anarchists, period.  Somehow they think blood in the streets is a good thing and that descending into hellish chaos is something only they will survive.  I find this ironic given their typical stance of deploring violence done to others elsewhere around the globe.  Thinking you can control a hurricane once it unleashes its fury is utter foolishness.  I am no fan of either major party, but I especially loath the Left because it ALL started with them.  Capitulators on the Right allowed incremental tyranny make steady gains.  Regardless of how they rationalize it, regardless the epithets they hurl they cannot escape the undeniable truth that a vote for Paul at this point is a step closer to victory for Obama and the Left.  If there was ANYBODY with a realistic chance (Paul has NONE, pointless to argue with reality, reality is not optional!) to knock either clown to the ground I would jump on it in a heartbeat, but there isn', zero, nada!  I was set to stay home and say screw it.  Then I began to hear from my friends, and family, and their friends and so on...and they convinced me that there are some that need breathing space to have a chance for preparing for what may come no matter how futile it might be, if for no other reason than to be with their loved ones a bit longer and have a chance on having some say in their ultimate fate.  But these anarchists want blood, they crave destruction, and they foolishly believe only the guilty will perish and that their feudalistic future will usher in a new era for mankind.  I am going to cast a vote for Romney and give my friends and their families the time they need regardless my view that the crazies will hurl us into oblivion one way or another. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 19:13 | 2833987 nmewn
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The anarchists among Paul supporters are in for a rude awakening should they ever get their wish...when the water, electricity and gas to their cities is shut off. When raw sewage backs up into their bathtubs. 

Much like the democrats absorbing socialists & communists into their ranks without even giving it an afterthought. It devolved into fascism very quickly didn't it?, Buffet, Solyndra, Lightsquared, Beacon Power etc.

No one understands or appreciates history and the unintended consequences of peoples self interest when given unlimited access to power anymore it seems...ah well.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:50 | 2830242 LMAOLORI
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Damn straight nmewn I was a Ron Paul volunteer but I live in the real world and as a grown up and for future generations romney gets my vote.  Part of Liberty is freedom from debt. A lot of the folks on here claiming to be Ron Paul supporters don't even realize what he stood for anyway. It was more then just the legalization of drugs he stood for reduced spending he would cut anything he could. Complete opposite of obama so the closest thing we have is romney. People on here saying they want the collapse to happen faster will be singing a different tune when it does. It's one thing to talk smack on an internet forum and quite another to experience REAL hardship (ala Argentina on a grander scale)

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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:04 | 2830313 KIPPY KAPPSLOCK

Sorry chum.  You sound like a whipped slave, happy with scraps.  ROMNEY SUPPORTS THE PATRIOT ACT AND THE NDAA.  Shit, i think he also wrote OBAMA CARE.  You have been here over two years and are completely asleep.  

Please stop with your nonsense about being a grownup.  Ok? 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 01:51 | 2830966 Bay of Pigs
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+1 These guys are either paid trolls or fucking douchebags....beyond stupid

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:32 | 2830423 nmewn
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"A lot of the folks on here claiming to be Ron Paul supporters don't even realize what he stood for anyway."

Some of the funniest shit I seen on here is "Progessives for Paul"...ROTFL!!!... a "progressive" is a socialist...Paul is not a socialist...bah bye DC central authority. Ham handed divide & conquer leftist foolishness is all it ever was.

"It was more then just the legalization of drugs he stood for reduced spending he would cut anything he could."

They never thought cutting government might mean no subsidized buds for themselves in their bong...tsk

"Complete opposite of obama so the closest thing we have is romney. People on here saying they want the collapse to happen faster will be singing a different tune when it does."

He is a blue blooded north easterner (my bias) but he's definitely no ex-communist, which is close enough for me at this point.

And these turds on here saying bring on the apocalypse have no idea what it will look like...some of them I've grown to like but the majority of them will be the first ones consumed by it...they ain't even close to being ready, I can food except at the corner grocery store, no water (dependent on a public water supply), some have never had their life threatened or been stabbed and never shot a gun n their life...I have scars and proud of every one of them, well, most of them ;-)

Keep on truckin...fuck em.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:43 | 2830853 jwoop66
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well said on all posts, nmewn.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:10 | 2830876 CompassionateFascist
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Another well-deserved junk for nmewn. We'll get the Republic back only thru Civil War II. More polarization needed, and Obama's the man for it.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 19:21 | 2834010 nmewn
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Thanks would seem we are in the minority for the day...and yet, no one lost their heads on the chopping block or got an extra tax applied to them for doing something the rest deemed "ünpopular" bout that ;-)

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 01:52 | 2830962 Bay of Pigs
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get the fuck out

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:51 | 2830302 psychobilly
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An establishment hand-licker announces he's going to vote for Romney. 

Alert the media!!!!!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:37 | 2830439 Harbanger
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Even Ron Paul will vote for Romney.   Why? because defeating Obama is more important.  He will come out and say it before the election. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:30 | 2830594 nmewn
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Paul understands...ABO...we rebuild from that point...instead of "You didn't build that!"

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:41 | 2830443 nmewn
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A 911 hysteric announces he's going make an ass out of himself again...alert Rosie O'Donnel!!!


LOL!!!...OMG!!!...I've crossed the rubicon of 911 truthers (or Rosie O'Donell fucking fatwa upon me!!!...ROTFL!

Tell me truthers, if a YouTube video (that no one ever saw for months) can incite so much violence in the ME...what's really so hard to understand afterall?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:04 | 2830675 Nikao7
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"LOL!!!...OMG!!!...I've crossed the rubicon of 911 truthers "

You are such a fucking Douche Nozzle nmewn

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:02 | 2833816 nmewn
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You zealots are really easy to fuck with ;-)

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:59 | 2830329 Shell Game
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Door #1:  the staircase to hell 

Door #2:  the elevator shaft to hell


I suppose your logic is unquestionable.  Still, at some point, staring straight into the face of what seems to be sure defeat, we Americans will have to say 'No'.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:54 | 2830479 nmewn
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Its a delaying tactic Shell Game.

Do I like the idea that we have this "progessive" slide toward what statists want for themselves at our expense? Of course not.

The position needs to be negotiated from one of strength, not weakness...and we'll all have our say. The slide toward fascism/socialism has to be stopped at all costs but it won't (as you have seen) be stopped by O' has accelerated under him and et al.

This is serious shit now, we need to keep our eyes on the real ball...another four years of O'Barry issuing forth edicts from on high?

Proud member of the Party of No from its bitter clinger inception.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:12 | 2830979 Shell Game
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We all remember how Bush greased the skids on the expansion of socialism in this once great country.  Thus, acceleration was inevitable.  Romney has shown no past action that suggests he will slow our descent, but he has show past action that suggests he will only make it worse. 

I salute every man who refuses to sit at the crooked table and accept the hand dealt by the house.  Besides, there is a tactical advantage to the system collapsing on Obummer's watch.  A very real advantage. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:12 | 2831150 nmewn
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I don't think an implosion gives anyone any real advantage...unless we're gonna go all Final Solution on "progressives"...then we've become the monsters haven't we?

There may yet come a time for raising the black flag and to begin slitting throats but its really not what I want or anyone should want or promote...although I do understand the frustration.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 16:28 | 2839984 Shell Game
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Made it back to the thread eh?  ;)  thanks for the effort, if you happen to catch this...

The advantage I refer to is not via a shtf societal meltdown, though I do believe that may be on its way.  I'm talking more the monetary system change that will preceed it.

In any case, I'm very torn between a tactical vote that you describe and my protest vote that I believe is the MORALLY right thing to do.  Very f*cking hard call....



Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:10 | 2830879 devnickle
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Are you fucking kidding me???

I refuse to vote for EITHER piece of SHIT candidate offered-up by the establishment!

Have some moral gonads, and reject by abstaining, or write-in whoever the fuck you want!

EVEN if it's Spongebob or Homer Simpson. Frankly, BOTH are better choices in my opinion!

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" N. Peart

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:32 | 2830421 Cabreado
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"At least with Romney we slow the descent into a third world totalitarian existance."

You are trying to be pragmatic, and I understand your point.

But where you wildly miss is that We will not allow such a thing to happen.


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:06 | 2830522 Cabreado
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ps.  to clarify... that is not a vote for Romney.

It is a vote for Ron Paul, any which way you do it.

But don't vote for the man -- vote for the Principles.

We will be going through a point of contention on Principles, no matter what happens.
Go the efficient, most effective route.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:51 | 2830647 nmewn
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Fortunately, your vote will count.

None of that has gone unnoticed.



Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:33 | 2830909 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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who junked that? It's common knowledge that B.H.O. owns the welfare vote. Fuck off.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:22 | 2829940 q99x2
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I say he is white. His mother was white and at least we know who she was. He might be wearing make-up. Whatever the thing is it is not black although it might be a democrat.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:56 | 2830805 Hi Ho Silver
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One drop rule.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:29 | 2829772 DaveyJones
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true, but if they've "woken the fuck up" they would not be a "democrat" or a "republican"

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:42 | 2830268 clymer
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agreed. I am steering clear of the diebold machines all together this year. I give up and choose to ignore this paradigm. Eventually, if enough people choose to opt out and start alternative systems.. Who knows. We have no way to force change by playing along; the rules will only change mid-stream as they always do anytime the power brokers feel a threat. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:15 | 2829891 Future Jim
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"... how can you vote for a candidate because he promises transparency, and end to executive orders and signing statements, a return of habeas corpus and constituional law, ending fisa, gitmo and warrantless wiretaps, and then FUCKING ACCELERATES EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY KNOWN TO THIS PLANET, ..after getting a nobel peace prize."

It is true. Obama is a Reneger.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:33 | 2829995 akak
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It's spelled "renigger".

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:06 | 2830121 Raymond Reason
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That's the russian spelling, akak. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:39 | 2830250 Harbanger
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Prepare to have your PM's reniggered under his second term..  The MSM will cover for him as usual and blame the liberty movement "hoarders" for the collapse of the dollar.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:48 | 2830859 jwoop66
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Yes!  we should all vote for Romney just so the news media can go back to work!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:55 | 2830071 Gazooks
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..failed to note that the hypocritical doobie-tokin mufuh-potus hasn't pulled the plug on the mafia DEA from fuckin-over non-cartel medicinal growers, too.

Romney walks like a fuckin 13 year old girl on the rag, Ryan's a lyin sack of Yankee shit, so fuck all of these cock-sucking two-faced media ass-kissin prima-donna motherfuckers.


Fuck y'all, hear!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:30 | 2830206 donsluck
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+1 Indeed sir!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:29 | 2830198 tjaxcity
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Essentially, there are 2 major issues at hand.


1) Our freedoms and liberty

2) The global financial collapse is irreversible and it doesnt matter who is at bat, they're going to strike out.

So,  Obama clearly hates freedom and liberty and has done irreversible damage while 'showing his cards' in regards to his future plans for our FEMA camps with bill HR 645... Obama also does not stand over Ben Bernankes should telling him what policies to enact nor do I suspect does he have any real clue about the intricacies of macro economics in this worrld, country, a state or even a city for that matter. Now... having taken into account all of these facts, what if we just want to see this bitch go up in flames as quickly as possible??? Obama should be able to secure that for us but I wonder if Romney could actually fcuk it up faster and more efficiently while pissing people off a lot more with austerity measures....

So who do you vote for when you want this bitch to burn down ASAP????


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:19 | 2830300 New World Chaos
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Gary Johnson.

Because apparently a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama, and (IMHO) Obama will bring a more thorough collapse than Romney.  He will lead to NY and DC being sacked by barbarians.  The more corrupt institutions that burn during the chaos, the more freedom we will have afterwards. 

Obama is also the best candidate to wake people out of their Matrix-pods.  I want to see the look on the left's smug faces when their own false Messiah sends them to the camps.  It is better for a Marxist to crash the economy than a (perceived) capitalist.  Plus Obama keeps the right righteously pissed off.  Remember how quiet they were during the Bush years?

I would write in Ron Paul but write-ins don't get tallied anywhere.  They might actually count a Gary Johnson vote.  It would call out for more liberty candidates.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:48 | 2831010 Caggge
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No, all the brain dead votes went for GW. For anyone to comment about a candidates transparency after GW and Cheney is beyond belief. With that being said, it doesn't matter who you vote for because it's the system that is broken.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:51 | 2829555 bobnoxy
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Is that new for her?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:09 | 2829664 ShrNfr
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If she does, I am reporting her the ASPCA.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:09 | 2829665 ShrNfr
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If she does, I am reporting her the ASPCA.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:09 | 2829666 ShrNfr
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If she does, I am reporting her the ASPCA.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:55 | 2830070 silverserfer
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If she does, you're doing what!?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:10 | 2830698 Nikao7
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:47 | 2830925 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I'm just sayin', if it were me, I'd report her to the ASPCA.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:31 | 2830209 donsluck
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Too much coffee, eh?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:17 | 2829712 rustymason
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Wow, she must really be sick of Obanana.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:38 | 2829807 Uncle Remus
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What? Again?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:46 | 2829837 10mm
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Poor beast.Wheres PETA.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:00 | 2829881 LMAOLORI
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Madonna is a hoofed beast

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2830163 akak
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I'm not sure if she is a "hoofed beast", but she does have one well-worn camel toe.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:02 | 2830811 Hi Ho Silver
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Tore up from the floor up. Skank, bitchez.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:56 | 2831234 Gavrikon
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"Madonna has had more bones buried in her than Forest Lawn!"

"But I keed!  I keed!"

-- Triumph, the insult comic dog

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:37 | 2830006 Stoploss
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Did Ryan not get the memo??

Ron Paul is being written in because he is the only candidate currently qualified to halt the runaway govt spending.

So, it's Ron Paul, OR Obama, that's the deal.

I don't recall R&R even being on it.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:56 | 2830075 TheFantasticMonkey
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I thought she already did that?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:19 | 2830173 Offthebeach
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I would of thought that flabby turkey arm scrote bag had already been done, or had done, by a horse, or at least a pony. Maybe she's stepping up to a mule.

Poor thing. Disgusting. I hope the PCA rescues it first.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:34 | 2830993 CompassionateFascist
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@Precious" not surprised. The former "Madonna", now calling herself Esra, has recently converted to Kabbalistic Judaism. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:21 | 2832109 Overfed
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She's gonna get back together with Dennis Rodman?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:46 | 2829517 Troll Magnet
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Don't worry.

DIEBOLD will vote for whomever it wants, Bitchez!!!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:58 | 2829595 toady
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I must be in an alternate universe. Everyone I know that says they are Ron Paul supporters is an ex-democrat hippy who likes Rons position on marijuana.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:09 | 2829659 Temporalist
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No you are just a druggie douche who has douchey friends.  It is liberty that is the basis behind the Ron Paul marijuana platform not partying.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:23 | 2829744 toady
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Whoa there pal... you're a real big man! Talking shit on the internet.

Keep living in your monmas basement talking shit. I'm not a 'druggie' and you don't know a damn thing about me.


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:38 | 2829795 Al Gorerhythm
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We know more about you now after that. The mj freeloadrs are riding the coattails of the Libertarian movement. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:54 | 2830066 stacking12321
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what exactly is a "freeloader", in libertarian terms?

please define.

maybe you have some non-libertarian notion that people who benefit from your political views have an obligation to support you.



oh, and i'll leave you with a quote:

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 23:31 | 2830409 Al Gorerhythm
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A freeloader in this instance is a single-issue activist who only has a drive to fulfil selfish goals. My point of view has been established by listening to these guys calling in to radio shows, hosting people such as Ron Paul with his message of (broad reaching) Liberty, having his message hijacked by mj-ers with a gripe that they can't legally partake in the drug of their choice. I could't care less what they do for recreation but to hijack the broad message with personal gripes is not so philosophical. It is either them(mj-ers) or others with other agendas who want to discredit RP by linking him to drug trafficking or some such nonsense.

There is a world of distinction between freedom of choice and Liberty. It's (mj freedom of choice) part of it but not all of it. Further, disecting your post from "(M)aybe you have some non-libertarian .... etc, excluding your quote, wtf? 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:22 | 2832716 stacking12321
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why are you hating on people who have a drive to fulfill selfish goals, as you put it?

if they are not infringing on your rights, then what's the problem?

fighting for freedom is always good, whether it's the freedom to smoke pot, the freedom to protest, the freedom from stealth taxation by the fed, or anything else.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:49 | 2833240 Al Gorerhythm
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I hate no man. The thing that pisses me off is the distraction provided. Even the hosts shut them off. Good luck to them and more liberty to them but do you reckon that the MJ movement will ever change the system on their own? Riiiight. I can see it now; Rise Up America. Fight for thr right to smoke pot! That's the idiocy of their message. It rests a little short of Liberty and all that it entails.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:25 | 2830190 Harbanger
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No one can stop the coming financial collapse, not even Ron Paul.  So the question is, whom would you rather be in charge when it happens.   A commie or a capitalist.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:33 | 2830219 donsluck
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Stupid choice. A politician with mechanical engineering experience.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:58 | 2830328 Harbanger
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Did you say something?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:35 | 2829798 fwiw imho
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Expand your horizons.  Your alternate universe is limited by the view you get when your head is up your ass.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:36 | 2829799 Red Heeler
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"Everyone I know . . . . likes . . . . marijuana."

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:46 | 2829841 lilika
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You're the one who jumps to conclusions about people. It's about LIBERTY, not marijuana. Liberty people see marijuana as another prohibition so the corrupt can abuse their power by creating a sinister industry pf crime and punishment surrounding the prohibition. If you read Zero, methinks you will grasp this if you give it half a critical thought.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:17 | 2830167 Raymond Reason
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One used to be able to purchase narcotic pain reliever over the counter in this country.  Now in the US, and about 7 or 8 other countries a bribe to the md is required.  Ordering one's own blood test has now been outlawed in 6 or 7 states.  Soon they will be requiring physical examinations to join a fitness center.  Yes, they hate us for our freedoms. 

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:44 | 2830026 Jake88
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Apparently you only hang out with imbeciles

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:36 | 2830763 toady
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Wow, you people can really go off on tangents!

I was simply saying Ron Paul will probably pull more voters from Obama than Romney. Most Paul supporters I've seen at the rallies and picking up signs for their yards are young, and most of them were first drawn to Paul because of his stance on marijuana. Both groups that usually vote D.

You have the basic idea wrong. Paul will pull votes from Obama. I hope I can find stats to prove it after the election.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:52 | 2830783 akak
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Most Paul supporters I've seen at the rallies and picking up signs for their yards are young, and most of them were first drawn to Paul because of his stance on marijuana.

I have known dozens of Ron Paul supporters over a span of more than 20 years, and not ONE of them was attracted to him solely or even primarily due to his stance on the legalization of marijuana. In fact, I dare to venture that the drug issue was not even in the top five political stances which drew each of those supporters to Ron Paul, to the extent that those in his camp even think in such narrow terms --- it was, and is, overwhelmingly his consistent defense of liberty in ALL of its manifestations which attracted, and attracts, supporters to Ron Paul.  Your attempt to cast Ron Paul supporters in the mold of the typical logically conflicted, single-issue mainstream voter reeks of ignorance of both him, his many political fans, and his unique (in terms of the contemporary USA) political message.

Epic troll failure.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 02:00 | 2830974 Bay of Pigs
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Its 30 years plus to be accurate, but who`s counting. LOL.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 08:00 | 2831249 Gavrikon
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Hell, I WISH everyone who likes to smoke pot would have registered Republican so that they could have come out strongly for Ron in hte primaries.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831662 toady
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OK, I tried to have a conversation saying Ron Paul would pull more votes from Obama than Romney, refuting Ryans premise.

Remind me to NEVER bring up marijuana here again. Ya'll are obsessed about it!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:55 | 2830933 Libertarian777
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u mean the gary johson who supports 'limited' interventions in foreign lands... like Iraq and Afghanistan?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:58 | 2829594 JuliaS
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Vote Ron Paul by staying out of debt, saving for a raniny day in anything other than Federal Reserve Notes (or other fiat), bartering and using non-institutional transaction services (Craigslist). Vote by growing your own food, producing energy and consuming less of it. Vote Ron Paul not by driving a Mini or Chevy Volt, but by fucking walking! Oil reliance - zero (apart from byproducts it took to make you a pair of shoes).

Vote Ron Paul by getting to know your neighbours, their needs and addressing them directly, not through some vulture charity. Want to help someone? Go face to face and help'em.

I'd recommend turning off the TV, but I won't. Sometimes it's best to know the enemy and to know where the sheep heard still loyal to the old regime is headed.

Vote Ron Paul by knowing your rights and standing up for them.

Vote by rejecting bullshit that pours down on you every single day of your life - an effort that requires much more than lifting a pencil and marking a box once every 4 years.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:04 | 2829633 MsCreant
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Great comment!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:34 | 2829791 Husk-Erzulie
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I agree, pretty tight. 

If you must vote, vote for change by never voting D or R.  Always write in, or tick, the idealistic outsiders with whom you agree; it's not wasted.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:15 | 2829921 MonsterBox
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Question Authority, in public.


Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:46 | 2830285 clymer
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she hit the nail on the head. It's the only way

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:11 | 2829680 Temporalist
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What if your neighbors are major Mittrack Obamney bots?  I don't really want to get to know them.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:19 | 2829727 cougar_w
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Damn. FTW.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 17:31 | 2829785 DaveyJones
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a pencil may not be they only thing you'll have to lift with lead in it.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:48 | 2830041 IndicaTive
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"Vote Ron Paul by getting to know your neighbours, their needs and addressing them directly, not through some vulture charity. Want to help someone? Go face to face and help'em."


Thanks. I needed that.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:58 | 2830081 silverserfer
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Just ask yourself WWRPD?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:26 | 2830742 Reven
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One more thing I would add...


Vote for Ron Paul by going GALT.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:35 | 2830762 j-dub
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I have passed along your post to the Department of Homeland Security, TSA HQ and have sent an e-mail to NSA's new freedom fighting data collection building in the Utah desert.  This new facility will hopefully be a benchmark for all US forces occupied nations to emulate in the near future.

Your comments are dangerous and your future actions/writings must, in the name of liberty, be monitored.

And to anyone who disagrees with my actions, I am simply following directions-I saw something, I said something.  The new American way. 

And yeah, my WWII vet grandfather would be damn proud.


May G-D continue to bless the United States of America



Tue, 09/25/2012 - 16:59 | 2829600 lasvegaspersona
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best comment on ZH of the year...perfect!!!!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 18:23 | 2829953 FreedomGuy
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Very well said, redpill. Many people do not get that. They think it's really a Ron Paul personal following. While I actually do admire the guy, it is what he believes that makes the difference. He. himself is really the least inspiring of all the candidates in personal appearance, voice, mannerisms, etc., but what he believes is the most inspiring. If you took his core beliefs and put them in most anyone who was credible, they would get the same enthusiastic support.

It's the ideas, stupid!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 19:04 | 2830103 fuu
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Ron Paul Bitches!

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 20:44 | 2830455 Cole Younger
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"Gaining the support of Ron Paul supporters is easy.  Just start supporting Ron Paul's policies.  It's about liberty, not a cult of personality."




Wed, 09/26/2012 - 00:57 | 2830934 Libertarian777
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aah, but its one thing to SAY you support RP's policies, it's another when the rubber meets the road.

Rand Paul and Justin Amash being examples of supposedly following RP's policies, but falling way short.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:23 | 2830737 RSBriggs
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Ha.  Most Rob Paul cultists are nothing more than libs that have latched onto a different colored messiah.  No amount of logic or number of facts are going to get in THEIR way.  No sir.

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