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Paul Ryan: "Do You Want Barack Obama To Be Reelected? Then Don't Vote For Ron Paul"
It took a while for the unspoken truth to be finally spoken, but sooner or later, it always is. Via The Hill:
Paul Ryan argued Monday that a vote for a third-party candidate would likely help President Obama win reelection.
Ryan was asked why voters should not vote for Ron Paul. The Republican vice presidential candidate responded that a vote for Paul, who ran for the 2012 GOP nomination, would effectively split the vote in a way that helps Obama.
"Do you want Barack Obama to be reelected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul," Ryan said during a campaign speech in Lima, Ohio, on Monday.
Ryan went on to say that Paul was a good friend.
"Actually, Ron's a friend of mine. I know Ron very well. I like Ron quite a bit. There are many things that Ron has championed that I'm a big believer in, especially liberty and sound money."
Although Paul is no longer campaigning for president, he has not endorsed Mitt Romney's campaign.
What if one wants Ron Paul to be elected? Can one vote for Ron Paul then?
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I'm writing in Paul Ryan for President
Good one.
I hope there is someone from the R/R campaign here to read the part where I say :FUCK YOU Paul Ryan and the magic-pajamas-wearing horse you rode in on! The fraud and chicanery perpatrated by the RNC effectively removed any chance that they would get my vote. Fuck the establishment Neo-Con fascist douchebags in the ass with a plunger handle.
I'm writing in Ron Paul and convincing everybody I know to do the same. This slow motion trainwreck is about to go to warp-speed and I'm perfectly happy if O'bomb-a is at the helm when it does.
Dammit....double post.
with a WEATHERED SPLINTERY plunger handle
...with a jagged, rusty metal dildo
The depths of how "they just don't get it".
Romney and camp assume this simple plea will make sense to those who
just dont understand politics, when actually it is the understanding
of this circus that makes people want to vote for RP in the first place.
Bunch o' fucking clowns.
The fact remains: either the Republican or the Democrat will be the next president. You only have two choices, and Ron Paul is not one of them.
The fact remains: either the Republican or the Democrat will be the next president. You only have two choices, and Ron Paul is not one of them. A vote for anyone other than the Republican is tantamount to a vote for the Democrat.
What if your a democrat voting for Ron Paul? Is the BS that you just spouted still sound? Just wondering?
as bad as obummer has been, who could vote for the gop after that candidate nomination fiasco..
that was really, really bad.. a shameful and disgusting display indeed.. it was a travesty of the democratic process.
personnally, i can no longer vote for the red team.
those party officials should be ashamed of themselves..
the blame for the defeat of their party in the next election rests firmly on their shoulders.
i'm voting for Nobody.
Because Nobody cares. Nobody listens to the people. And Nobody when elected will defend our liberties in the face of tyranny.
I think I'll write in "Wall Street Crony". That should confuse the computers enough to take down the whole system.
Your Gravy is Wavy.
C'mon everyone. At least Ryan gets the idea that deficit budgets are not sustainable, nor is money printing. His point is more Ron Paul supporters lean more to the right than the left. In my humble opinion, Ryan should have ran in the primary election, as I am scared of Romney's lack of debating prowess. I like what both Perot and Ron Paul stand for, but their ideals are too much for the average American to comprehend. Hell, I think 10% of the Obama supporters voted for him solely because they thought he was serious about ending the BCS ranking system and replacing it with a playoff system. If you are a socialist-oriented person, Obama is your man. If you are conservative, vote for Romney. Otherwise, might as well make your vote count for something and write-in some dumb-ass name, (some suggestions for the less creative: Harold Beaver, Richard Everhard, or my personal favorite, Benjamin Dover--so appropriate for these times). Sophomoric, yes, but at least to the person tallying your ballet, it is a nice protest over the bullshit the two party political system.
How about Moe, Larry and Curly? At least you know what to expect.
Leave me out of it.
Is it my imagination, or are there an awful lot of voice of reason Ro-money supporters in on this one? Paid shills for the Ro-money campaign?
When not in power, republicans have always been fiscally conservative. Its only when they have the ability to reduce spending that they forget their campaign promises.
Look at the national debt under reagan, bush 1 and bush 2. Yes, I know its the democrats fault--even when bush 2 had the house, the senate and the presidency republican.
"Its only when they have the ability to reduce spending that they forget their campaign promises."
Hell yeah! Promise breaking fuckers on both sides.
Will Ron Paul start a militant revolution?? If so, I'll drop whatever I'm doing and join it. Fuck the GOP!!!
I have always stated that the republican campaign motto is really: "Not as bad as the democrats!"
Romney and Ryan chose to keep libertarians out of their convention, yet they expect libertarians to vote for them. Now that is entitlement thinking.
So, don't vote for somone you admire, someone who shares your beliefs, vote for a captive of the banking and defense industry, vote for somone who does not share your beliefs--someone you don't trust.
Yeah, that Ryan could sell ice cubes to eskimos--what a genius! Not as bad as the democrats--now that's a vision of leadership!
I like you.
OBAMA THANKS ALL THE RON PAUL FANS FOR SUPPORTING RON PAUL. Honestly, dont you realize it is about the lesser of two evils at this point?
The ron paul crazies are off their rocker. Just like their hero.
Mittens is a shill. Every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie. He has already said that there are portions of Obamacare he would keep. He supports FRN's and the status quo.
Though the Republican Convention had a gold panel, Mitt would NEVER bring back gold and silver money. The flushing of Amercia continues under him.
I supported Ron Paul all the way in hopes that his message might prevail. I wish he had won, but he didn't.
But, I can't imagine what Obama will do without being constrained by the electorate ... if you like abounding Federal regulations, control and tyranny vote for Obama ... if you love Liberty vote against the biggest threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in our lifetime.
If you think life will be better under Obama or don't really care about the 'fundamental transformation' of our country ... write-in Ron Paul and reduce Romney's chance
Supporting evil is supporting evil. If you just keep compromising and selling another little bit of your soul there will be nothing left. You'll end up with a president who orders assasinations and mass murders of civilians on a daily basis.
But that'll now be ok with you.
It is the very same evil. It is spelled CFR or REPUBLICRAT.
No, douche, it's about choosing a candidate that isn't evil at all! You keep ordering the evil plate special for dinner, and evil will always be the only option on the menu, because that is what sells. I'm having the chef whip me up something special, myself. I'm eating a big plate of liberty.
and where on the earth will you be enjoying your meal?
Wherever I choose...it is a plate of liberty, after all.
lol, enjoy!
The banksters run the show, the banksters are the problem. All politics including voting is the equivalent of a genuflect: spectacle (for the masses), testicle (where it hurts), heart (blind emotion), wallet (stolen).
No, Seriously Ryan, FUCK YOU! I'll vote for who I think will make the best president/VP. I have news for you, Romney/Ryan are no different then what we currently have. One more thing; you can't balance the budget and have positive GDP Growth on our Debt Based System. CMON, Americans are smarter than that.....
Disclaimer: Regestered Republican
I may vote for Obama as I think the bigger evil will have everyone begging for real liberty sooner. I'll won't vote for Romney under any circumstances as he is just Bush + Obama.
Most likely I'll vote for anyone other than Obama/Romney, I'm not a willing participant in the two party pony show.
Ok for all of you that don't exactly get why Ryan is saying this and why there have been numerous "Ron Paul voters must vote Romney" stories in that past month it is because everyone with a brain knows Mittens is a shit candidate and is going to lose and lose big.
They want to lay blame on Ron Paul supporters for their massive failure and they are paving the crash pad for their retreat rally. RP supporters will just be the latest scapegoat to raise the ire of a group of religious zealot hypocrites that make up the majority of Republicans these days and they will hate anyone that even mentions the name Dr. Ron Paul because he is apparently the bane of their pathetic existence (until someone decides that abortion, gays and gay marriage or Muslims are the chosen bogey to fear once again).
Agreed Temporalist. Having been part of both the 2008 and 2012 RP campaigns and having been elected a BPOU, Congressional and State delegate both times in the GOP, AND twice being elected to GOP executive committees, I can reasonably assert that I have a better idea of what the GOP really is than most republicans do. I know what the GOP really represents: A bunch of crooked plutocrats worried about how they can steal money.(Much like the DFL)
Exhibit A- MNGOP debt management skills
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/146748455.html?refer=y
Why would it be any different on the national level except in nominal terms?
Fail.
At the republican state convention, delegate candidates were booed and hissed
for using the words 'liberty' and 'constitution' as they were interpreted
as code for Ron Paul supporter.
Couldn't be more apparent, couldn't be any more blatant.
The r's want nothing to do with anything
but the same crap that the d's dish out.
I like how you told us who you were and where you are coming from. Refreshing honesty. Thanks. I will look for your posts with interest.
"abortion" is apparently hella fearful - in fact, no one else here even mentions it, despite the obvious. . .
liberty pom poms blazin' tho'. . .
+1 for "shit candidate"
Maybe they should have treated Ron Paul with a little more respect (versus none)... they might have even put some of his ideas into the platform, instead of crapping all over this good man and patriot... Obama is a dangerous asshole, true, and I will probably vote for Mitt because of that... But I am still a major Ron Paul fan.. it is an unpleasant FACT that a vote for Paul is a vote for the Kenyan.
I'm voting for Smith and Wesson.
Where did you find that disturbing avatar, someone else had it...
Ya, can't remember who it is, but yes, I have a twin. Someone on my co-ed softball team emailed it to me a long time ago suggesting I recruit this "female" ringer.
I first saw that avatar on MW circa 2008. I wonder what ever happened to the MW poster who pasted a vagina over Bernanke's face and then airbrushed it so it looked like Bernanke had a vagina for a mouth? That was a good one! Hopefully someone saved that avatar and can repost it. Well, I know what happened to that poster...account deleted because MW is lame.
At this point a "jury duty" type selection of U.S. Reps and Senators would be much much better.
I h8 these Paulista-bait posts. But I guess it gives them something to do.
They are so ineffective otherwise.
Are you "RoadsnBridges" because you think you need government to solve all your fucking problems, like building roads and bridges? Just wondering since you seem to have a real "h8" on for sound money and monetary policy, economic liberty and personal freedoms (accountability). And just so we're clear, the government is the least reliable agent at providing any kind of stewardship over roads and bridges. The market can and does do an infinitely better job of that. ex. Cross Harbor Tunnel - Hong Kong.
Like it or not, the votes cast for Ralph Nader and Pat Buchannan in Florida in 2000 were the votes that decided the election, not the hanging chads.
No, all those wasted votes for Bush and Kerry cheated Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan out of the presidency.
Two (or more!) can play that idiotic game.
Holy shit the trolls are swarming, every where. Quick akak, here comes more. I got your back.
The republican party elites WANT Obama re-elected.
Why else would they work so hard to disrespect Ron Paul, his ideas and his supporters AND otherwise nominate the most fake disingenuous (billionaire?) central casting politician in recent memory - Romney?
As far as I am concerned the democrats are the republicans and I say fuck them all.
Ef Paul Ryan. Watch this guy, under Obama next term, implement the "Liverpool Protocol" under Obama-care with a smile on his face.
The Repubes and the Demons are merely just wings of the same Big Gummit Party.
I hope the GOP and RNC will one day realize the great disservice they have done to America and the World by cheating this amazing person out of a well deserved victory. May they all burn in hell for their corruption, arrogance, thievery and moral turpitude.
Go fuck yourself Paul "I'm a wolf in a sheepskin" Ryan.
Have fun paying tax on the air you breathe.
Not choosing Ron Paul as VP was a massive mistake.
The bigger mistake was voting for ODummer.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America.
I give you Moochele as proof. Go Google her fat ass.
Last vote, I wrote in Ron Paul, and I've maxed out my contributions to RP for both '08 and '12.
My state doesn't count write-ins unless it's clear one of the main candidates isn't going to win, and also won't count write-ins if they're not "certified" by the secretary of state.
This go-round, since RP didn't get the nomination, I'm voting Johnson, primarily because I want the results to show my "fuck you" message to the demopublicans to the whole world, and because most of the policies Johnson is fronting for coincide for the most part with RP's ideals.
Since it's a forgone conclusion the red team or blue team will win (seriously, Johnson could get 80% of the vote and you know there'd still be a (D) or (R) in the white house after the sumpreme court settled the lawsuits) the next best thing is to have as large of a third-party showing as possible in the results, and that's going to require statistcs that get reported. Ideally, if a third party can have results big enough to more than cover the spread between the winning and second place candidate, it will help elevate them as a segment to be courted.
Of course there's a really high liklihood the 2016 election will be over the smouldering ruins of the US, or take place during the steep part of the exponential curve on so many charts, so it's all kind of moot.
This so-called 2 party sytem will not last much longer; I would suggest that you simply withhold your vote, as the national Libertarian group is suggesting. See my previous posts.
In the real world, the grown-up world, it's Romney vs. Obama -- not Romney vs. Obama vs. Paul.
You might as well waste your vote writing yourself in..
Of course, some of you more petulant types will vote for Paul, even though Paul says not to.
It's more like Romsky vs. Stupidity. Amazing how these Paulistas think they vote in all States.
It's a process, MORONS!
Um, "process." Riiight. Processes have rules and a sequence of events that gets followed.
Paul followed the alleged process to the "T," only to find the rules changed at the whim of the pre-selected candidate, to the point where even letting Paul speak couldn't be tolerated, nor would certified state results be counted.
The "process" you speak of is a fucking paid-for politburo pretending a single candidate was the only one who ran, with an indirect token acknoledgement of the competitor made by sending the TSA out to harrass his private departing flight in the name of annointed one's security, after changing the "process" rules to give Paul a reason to leave.
Process my ass.
Seek is correct. I was at this "convention" as a delegate unfortunately. Pretty much sums it up. No different now.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer174.html
And your experience level in the process is? Please enlighten us "Paulistas"? Do you live in a caucus state or a primary state?
Hey, the Roads/bridges poster is a newbie troll.
Ignore the baiter.
Appreciated sentiment DollarMenu but I enjoy trolling the trolls when I can and this thread is an area in which I have experience. I should get to have some fun once in while just so long as it doesn't get out of hand. The difference is that most trolls go away and only the "good" ones survive such as MDB on this site. MDB is hilarious imho.
Amateur hour GOP apparatchiks such as are on this thread; not funny at all. Especially, not funny when you consider that I have given my money, my time, my skills, my mileage, my computers, my phones, my stationary, et al to the GOP in the hopes that they would come to their senses. Clearly that effort was in vain. Therefore I reserve the right to call out trolls who want to talk about the process as it were. Fair enough?
This is fight club.
Go get em! Its a troll infestation.
And hey, thanks for trying. It is not wasted effort, it is history, building towards something. Don't forget it.
Thank You MsCreant.
You understand that the choice you see in front of you is a false one? It's put there to keep your attention away from the real power brokers.
"In the real world, the grown-up world, it's Romney vs. Obama..."
Ahh yes, grown-ups. That's what they call those people that are responsible for bankrupting the nation. Not crooks, grown-ups.
I had forgot what they were called. Thanks for reminding me.
wait a min, is Ron Paul running as an independent now???
that would make my day!!!
I've rethunk my position. I'm casting my vote for whoever promises everyone a free pony.
Daddy! Daddy! I want a pony!!!!
A new car in every garage and a free pony in every pot ... Bears love pony meat
It's not like you get a pony if you pick the winner. It's more like you get a despot, which is the opposite of a nice prize.
Yes. Better to start sooner rather than later voting third party candidates (or writing in Ron Paul) or nothing will ever change. Not buying into the 'lesser of the two evils' argument anymore but can't not vote either..
You are contradicting yourself, BS9. Think again, and a bit more profoundly.
What has the lesser of two evils strategy accomplished? It has incentivized the parties to do two things:
1. Select candidates that are less distinguishable from their opponent every four years, and
2. Select candidates that are progressively "more evil".
I propose the best way to break the lesser of two evils cycle is to vote for the greater of two evils.
If you want a global fascist CFR plutocrat for president vote for either of the Obamney twins. If you would like a president who will stand up for the constitution, your freedom, your rights, peace and the economy vote for RON PAUL. If either of the CFR twins wins we lose. If you want to play along with the plutocracy you can vote for your favorite flavor of CFR puppet. If you vote for RON PAUL at least you will spit in the face of the war mongering plutocracy that is taking away our rights, destroying our economy and leading us to endless wars.
REMEMBER RYAN VOTED YEA ON NDAA WHICH GIVES THE PRESIDENT THE AUTHORITY TO IMPRISON YOU INDEFINITELY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.
Don't vote for any of the "official" candidates. Gary Johnson is the "official" Libertarian candi See above.date; don't vote for him either. See above.
Please keep in mind, the President never has the authority to imprison anyone indefinitely without due process.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Ron Paul AND a vote against Romney/Ryan. (Doubly satisfying)
It's the only way my vote will count (vs. not voting at all).
Ryan can curse us on election night. Here's hoping we tilt the scales. Payback's a bitch.
Pay attention to your local elections, that's where these assholes come from.
"Pay attention to your local elections, that's where these assholes come from."
True. I am happy to report that as a current MNGOP Senate District officer, I have not done any of the following to promote the GOP: I have not made any phone calls on behalf of the GOP, not sent any e-mails on behalf of the GOP, not sent any mail on behalf of the GOP, not posted on FacePlant on behalf of the GOP, not doorknocked on behalf of the GOP, not done any parades on behalf of the GOP, not done any fundraising on behalf of the GOP, not spent any of the GOP's money, not lied on behalf of the GOP, not donated to the GOP, not replied to e-mails or phone calls from other GOP officers.
In 2016, I plan on running for a DFL executive committee position, winning it and then not doing anything. Then again...why bother?
Why the hell did you bother to officiate in the first place? You make no sense.
OK Puckles, I just wrote a more detailed response but it is about six paragraphs. How to proceed?
I have no idea in which state you are voting, but this calculation does not work generally in the Mid-Atlantic area; indeed, it actually works nowhere (see my previous post), if one is at all honest. Withdraw your vote.
I've been thinking about what you said. I'm in North Carolina, so my calculation may pay off. Further, this place is crawling with Marines (no such thing as ex Marine as I understand it) and I'm thinking I have a better chance against all those hollow point bullets if Obama yells fire (they won't do it). Besides, I don't want Obama scurring off to his ocean front Hawaiian Island retirement and leaving this mess behind.
I agree with this assesment....he's lazy.
Though after watching his behavior the last few years and reading all I could on his background, I believe that the motivation behind Barack Obama is that he has no ambition, and what drives him is a life of leisure with wealth and no responsibility.
Rather than a lifetime of achievements and years of toil at anything, the evidence points to a person who enjoys all the fruits given him. Some have reported that he doesn't really like being president. According to Investors Business Daily, he skips over half the daily intel meetings, he has more time on the golf course than attending economy meetings, and we also know he takes more vacations than any previous president has taken. During the most recent crisis, he spent his time in Las Vegas, on talk shows, and rubbing elbows with celebrities.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/obamas_ambition.html#ixzz27X2fpSiYHas he really taken more vacation than Bush? Now that's a serious accomplishment!
I will never vote for any candidates from dumb and retarded parties!!
All allowed parties are dumb and retarded, often at once!
Don't vote.
Indeed. This is the wisest strategy of all. It removes from the duopoly any degree of legitimacy: Do not vote.
The approved clowns are bonnet blanc/blanc bonnet offerings; the Won got his plan for O'Care from the Mittens, and both are sponsored by the banks (and Mittens got invited to the recent Globalist event in VA): enough said. Incidentally, this is the strategy offered by the Mises.org bunch, who normally front for Ron Paul (and have their reservations, understandably, about his son)...
My vote for Ron Paul is not wasted. I am proud to exercise my right to vote.
I'ma rather afraid that your sobriquet/alias is well earned.
if you apply Ryan's logic, however, there may be no reason to vote at all if you don't live in a "swing state". im voting RP cuz he's the only one who has any actionable plan to change the status quo IMO.
Republicans, especially in the House, would be much better off if Obama 'wins', since the next President (and his party) will be blamed for the coming mess regardless of who is at fault. Obama was great for Republicans in 2010 and will be even better in 2014. By contrast, if Romney 'wins', House Republicans will tend to follow his 'lead' no matter which direction it takes them and Romney will not be able to turn things around. Even if he does the right thing (cut spending), there will be severe economic pain and Republicans would lose the House in 2014. And it is Congress, not the WH, that has the power to tax, spend, borrow and regulate. The President's powers are in foreign policy - not in things affecting the US economy. So for the sake of Republicans, especially in the House, I will not be voting for Romney.
Well thought out. However, a complicit media will just as they have blamed the republican house (tea party) for everything that they can muster up will continue doing so at every turn in the future. Obama is already a failure by any well reasoned measure so what makes you think they can't spin the next four years?
paul ryan, the obmey vice presidential candidate, can go fuck himself everywhich way it hurts.....
i despise that effeminate argument that i must vote for 1 of 2 in order to get the better of 2 evils....if i consider ron paul the best candidate then i will vote for him....same for the constitution party candidate.....
there is no choice in the election if all we have is obamney - just like a soviet election....ron paul is a vastly superior candidate to obamney and deserves a vote.....
fuck you ryan and obamney....
Don't piss your vote away by voting for a candidate that cannot win.
If you want a good reason to get Obama out of there here it is--
If Obama is re-elected, the next Supreme Court Justice will be Eric Holder. Ponder that!
I happen to like Ron Paul and what he stands for a lot but it's more important to deal with the immediate threat and that is the incumbent.
As opposed to Romney Bush appointing ROBERTS ? You fail again and insult the intelligence of ZH
Holder over Roberts ... Liberty loving people say no
YOU piss your vote away by voting for evil. Romney will govern just like Bush/Clinton/Oblabla, as he has already proven. We know Romney is a typical big-government liberal by his voting record. You guys who think there is a difference between the left and right wings on this bird of prey are the ones who need to get a clue. Haven't you noticed that the government has gotten bigger and more powerful and more corrupt with every single administration? That of the hundreds of thousands of new laws and policies enacted every year that practically none are ever repealed? Romeny's administration, like those before him, will continue the police state build-up, the banksterism, the Marxist/UN school programs, the gun grabbing attempts, the foreign wars, and everything else. Stop voting for evil and expecting good results.
Don't waste your vote by voting for the demon who can beat the other demon. Vote for the good guy.
Ooooh. Scary. Thank God we had all those Republican Presidents to give us the likes of:
Souter. O'Connor. Kennedy. Rehenquist. And of course, Roberts.
Mittens defended his nominations for the Massachusetts Courts by pointing out that the Senate was run by Democrats and he had to get his picks to pass. Who do you think Willard would nominate to get approved by Harry Reid's Senate?
Harry Reid isn't going to have a Senate.
Three words: Ross Perot.
forgot the last word..."lost"
A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote or Obama. Only retards can't ee it!
Diebold votes for you. No need to worry.
Man. I've never seen so many defeatists. I know things are awful but after WWII the US had just as bad of an economy and just as bad of a debt to gdp. With proper leadership we can grow our way out of this mess. It's not impossible but ya'all have to man up and make some tough decisions. Take the opportunity to make historic change.
I don't hit the red button so it wasn't me but aren't you being trivial here? What about Bretton-Woods? Discuss.
End the Fed. Is that historic? Yes. We are Americans. Believe in the impossible.
We all love what Mr. Paul has to say. But for some with thick skulls....he is not a candidate, period. Writing in for him accomplishes nothing. you may feel better, you might as well vote for Mickey Mouse. Even if he were elected how does he get anything through Congress...remember this other part of our government ?
If you idiots persist we will wake up with a massive headache called Emperor Owe on wednesday November 4. Everything in the "progressive arsenal" will be passed by "executive order". You can kiss this country, its economy and culture good bye. It will all be as he promised "fundamentally transformed" (not the toys for you young boys). Get real....we have all had to hold our collective noses and vote in a way that was not ideal or closest to our inclinations or proclivities. This republican democracy is really built on compromise. I too do not care for Mittens, he is not my first choice. RP is not a candidate, not on the ballot...Mr. Johnson who was my governor here in NM did a great job. But he has lost it over the years...too much high altitude, too many pokes maybe. He has alot to say but his message is not getting out. The one weakness of Libertarians is foreign policy. When the monster ends up at our door you will know why....a libertarian president was playing his fiddle (Nero). For a change see the real picture in this country and choose wisely...do not waste your vote because of an ideal...Emperor Owe is dangerous for this country especially so in a second term, where he has nothing to lose and a progressive agenda that will make Wilson, FDR and LBJ look like conservatives. Please make sure I have lots of down arrows...I thrive on rejection.
"Writing in for him accomplishes nothing."
As someone above pointed out, since Mitt is going to lose it sends a message to the Republican party about their thuggish treatment of Dr. Paul and his supporters. That alone could sway the party to take a look at their positions. That sounds like a very good outcome for the so-called wasted vote.
Two sides same puppet.
If Ron Paul isn't going to be able to get anything through Congress, then how is Mitt Romney.
I submit that Ron Paul is the only candidate that could motivate Congress to act. A Ron Paul presidency would scare the living $h!t out of every sitting congressman; for if Paul could be elected, then the electorate might just indeed be waking up...
Hey Diamond Jim-Caught you in your bullshit
First you say that Ron Paul would'nt get anything done w/out congressional support.
Next paragraph starts out insulting RP supporters and then stating that O will just write Executive Orders.
I believe RP is capable of writing his own Executive Orders.
FAIL!
You should be ashamed of your support of a party that would deny RP support and leave it to voters to decide their fate.
Now this country truly has no choice.
A damn fine observation.
Paul Ryan, what are you afraid of???
Sorry, you are just the wrong kind of Paul. Blame your daddy.
So should I write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson?
I wrote in Ron Paul in 2008 and was planning on doing it again but am now considering voting for Gary Johnson. Ron Paul will probably not run again and Gary Johnson looks like his best replacement. Any votes Gary Johnson gets now will help him in 2016. I need to read more about him but I like most of what I have heard so far.
Only Idiots, and Obama supporters (idiots) would advocate that non Obama supporters vote for someone who is not even running.
This place is crawling with braindead idiots of both varieties.
Please reply and I'll tell you which of the two you are, if not bofe um.....
Old: " Praise the Lord but pass the ammunition."
New: "Write in Paul, but please sign the petition" (to get Paul's ideas into the debatse via Johnson) - http://libertarianpetition.com/peticion.html
Fuck Paul Ryan, Decepti-Con, how does TARP make sound money?
He claims to be a Ayn Rand fan as well. Biggest. Liar. Evah.
Vote for any slimeball statist and you too are part of the problem... a big part of the problem. The best choice is... don't vote. Don't accept, sanction or support the system.
Man, did my earlier post get "dogged". Too many people are hinged on political parties. The sad fucking fact is BOTH parties are FUBAR. Dudes and dudettes, it's a societal and cultural decay the Western countries are going through. You can data mine to make any point, but we as a society have living beyond our means since the 60's. Pull a chart of nominal total debtl (govt, municiipal, corporate and household debt) total nominal GDP. We have been widening the gap consistently since then. Declines in one area (e.g. fed debt during the Clinton years was offset by debt in the other areas). Point is, no major political party is going tell the American public that we are in a heap of shit and it will be pain to correct our path. I used to be proud to vote, no not so much. I love what Ron Paul stands for, but America's average voter is beyond appreciating his logic. The will need to be uprisings and wars before we get to that state again. See the post on Catalonia. Maybe like another commenter, I'll write Smith & Wesson on my ballot.
"I love what Ron Paul stands for, but America's average voter is beyond appreciating his logic."
What we need to do is fix the American voter. Problem is, you can't fix stupid. But you can kill stupid. That creates a new problem. I'm going to guess that our of the 300,000,000 people in the country, we could probably do without about 200,000,000 of them. But systemically killing 200,000,000 people creates a number of problems, logistically, but more important, politically. You can't just give a government the power to go kill 200,000,000 people and once they're done be all like "Okay! Thanks! Time to stop killing people now!" and then expect them to do so. I'm no historian, but if my count is correct, the number of times that has successfully worked in history is about zero.
So, what to do? Well, we still have these 200,000,000 ass-clowns that have no business breathing. Instead of an orderly extermination, I propose a chaotic termination. Have them kill themselves. That way, once they're dead we won't have to worry about having given them too much power.
How to instigate a mass-slaughter? Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm gonna say that a second Obama term is probably one hell of a good start.
"I love what Ron Paul stands for, but America's average voter is beyond appreciating his logic."
What we need to do is fix the American voter. Problem is, you can't fix stupid. But you can kill stupid. That creates a new problem. I'm going to guess that our of the 300,000,000 people in the country, we could probably do with about 200,000,000 of them. But systemically killing 200,000,000 people creates a number of problems, logistically, but more important, politically. You can't just give a government the power to go kill 200,000,000 people and once they're done be all like "Okay! Thanks! Time to stop killing people now!" and then expect them to do so. I'm no historian, but if my count is correct, the number of times that has successfully worked in history is about zero.
So, what to do? Well, we still have these 200,000,000 ass-clowns that have no business breathing. Instead of an orderly extermination, I propose a chaotic termination. Have them kill themselves. That way, once they're dead we won't have to worry about having given them too much power.
How to instigate a mass-slaughter? Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm gonna say that a second Obama term is probably one hell of a good start.
Ron Paul is a has been. If he was really serious he would have made a name 10 years ago.
A lot of people weren't ready to believe what he had to say ten years ago.
Blood on the water.
“What if one wants Ron Paul to be elected? Can one vote for Ron Paul then?” – Tyler Durden
What a wonderful, what a great, thing to say.
Tyler, that's why we're here.
Actually, in most states, you have to register to be an official write-in candidate. And to my knowledge, Ron Paul hasn't done that. So the answer to the question is yes, you can vote for Ron Paul, but your vote won't count, and perhaps won't even be counted.
Follow your heart--vote for the person you want to be president.
However, if that person is not Romney, please keep your mouth shut for any and all complaints about Obama or his administration for the next four years.
A non-Romney vote is a vote for Obama, PBS, NPR, the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, Newsweek, Time, AP, McClatchy, and Reuters.
"sound money" , from a guy who voted for the bailout(s) and requested stimulus funds for his state. a man of principle. truly.
Ron Paul was a bit naive to run as a republican, which is a party dominated by neocons thinking he could somehow turn it into a liberty party or something. He also seems like a extremist to people who are not familar with his view as well. A neocon that hears "gold standard" thinks we are all going to die. With that said, Paul Ryan is a joke. Paul Ryan's own budget is fantasy land. He claims to be a Ayn Rand fan, but really his voting record screams neocon. Mitt Romney's economic advisor is Gregory Mankiw, a New Keynesian? The same guy who try to say that making burgers is a manufactured good under the G.W. administration. Paul Ryan is basically saying don't vote for Ron Paul, vote for the status quo.
but see, and I realise this is hard for most here, Ron Paul is a career Republican, he's been a Republican all this time, despite all the hoping he'd be something or some one else. . .
Thing is being a republican, he is basically confusing the voter, or unintentionally marginalizing himself. Ron Paul ain't the best debater, or person who can articulate his views the best. I would advocate trying to start a libertarian party, or in the case of Dr. Paul, Austro-Libertarian party. I have don't have much faith in Mitt Romney, or Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is a crisis opportunity politician. All Mitt Romney has really is repeal what Obama has done, but the economy has a fundamental structural problem. He doesn't address that, or I have not heard the details of his economic plan. Then you have Paul Ryan claiming to be a deficit hawk, but he blasts Obama for cutting Medicare, and advocates billions more in spending for Medicare. You can't be serious.... It's pretty funny watching the presidential fiasco.
but see, he IS a republican, and so is his son Rand - even though it's hard for the fans here to acknowledge this 'cause "Libertarian" is a much cooler T-shirt.
Ron Paul has made some home truths more accessible to more voters, but still they remain voters - which is in denial of some serious truths. . . sadly, I think this serves it's purpose, it keeps people in the system, even if they think it's only ONE (cool) foot in there - it's still accomplishing a re-direct of attention spans, because they're still believing "one man" could make a difference, even after all that is in front of them. . .
no, it's effectively a mind-trap, and a lazy-mind trap at that - either you realise what is happening in this nationstate, or you deny it - it's really all or nothing at this stage. . . if you're STILL registering your name with the .gov to vote, then your mind is on *pause* at best. . .
voting. it's the least you can do.
roll on December, let's get the party started. . .
Precisely Cathartes Aura. I see that we still have some critical minds here on ZH. Personally, the whole experience I have been through over the last five years was not so much about parroting Ron Paul but learning how the system works. What I learned was disconcerting at best. Try telling that to your neighbor though much less a newbie Paulian. No one really talks about how things have (d)evolved in the RP meme at the state levels and what it has turned into what appears to be more of the same that we already despise.
I am still in it but I am backing away. The process is all loaded with CIA and such types anymore. Caucuses will got the way of the primary.
Liberty is a great concept and we should strive to achieve as much of it as we can but the simple fact is that we have a central bank, likely soon to be a global central bank, which we cannot overcome just yet.
appreciate your reply, particularly as most here won't. . .
as to the "Liberty is a great concept. . ." - indeed it is, and no "central bank" is weighing in on Paul's Sanctity of Life proposed constitutional amendments. . . which would curtail the liberty of a female's body sovereignty, giving the State the right of prosecution should she exercise her right to make a choice only she should have.
this subject is often called a "single issue" - but if any politician called themselves a Libertarian, called for "ending the Fed" and de-criminalising marijuana, etc. - BUT then also proposed a constitutional amendment limiting, say, gun ownership. . . yeah, suddenly THAT single issue would be front and center.
which is why "voting" sucks, it causes dissonance in the mind when offered a cool peer group, or consistency in one's principles.
"Liberty" with exceptions. . .
but in the end, it matters not at all, because the whole situation, the whole story, is a myth. and no amount of "principled voting" will ever change that fact.
best wishes to you.
I would like to continue this conversation Cathartes Aura; just not here.
here's a link to a thread back in January of this year, when this conversation was discussed pretty thoroughly with regards the main points I feel are important. . . there are many others, of course, but this one sums things up, for me at least.
if you'd like to continue *there* after you've read the jist of my stance, just say. . .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gop-primary-race-goes-production-here-are-...
edit: annoyingly, the link doesn't go to the comment, just the thread - second page, halfway down, beginning with Zola are the core posts. . .)
Ahh, yes, Cathartes Aura. Nicely stated.
There needs to be a box on the ballot that says ' None of the above' so that we can all register a protest vote. I suspect a majority would tick that, and then elections should be re-run with new candidates/policies ... It would be a better option than the only current option of defacing the ballot paper.
Standard RepubliCON (tell ya one thing, then do the same as the DemonRATs) reverse-speak.
The lead bulls in the elephant herd know that Ron Paul is their ONLY candidate that could have easily defeated the Kenyan Usurper in 2008 and could landslide his @$$ again in 2012. McLame/Same and Mitt Zombie are just paid loser far left statists wearing elephant costumes. The party bosses know Dr. Paul would get the votes of (1) all CONs (they ain't gonna vote KU), (2) all libertarians/constitutionalists & most other independent non-CON/RATs, and (3) a whole lot of RATs who dislike the KU for a wide variety of reasons (cullerd, guns, abortion).
Accept that the CON party leaders are perfectly comfortable with the KU. What's there not to like? Central bank-enabled trillion dollar deficits & exponentially-increasing debt, bankster handouts, perpetual war with 350 military bases in 150 countries, expanding totalitarian surveillance police state, capital controls & manipulation of financial markets, failure to prosecute multi-trillion dollar securities fraud, etc., etc... Their bankster cartel masters would much prefer the current jackass sock puppet to a constitutionalist who might shut down their rackets.
Since the CON Party squashed their best candidate like a bug and humiliated his delegates at their choreographed CONvention, that leaves the Libertarian Party nominee, GARY JOHNSON, as the best candidate on the ballot.
For those who decline to participate in the charade of voting for your choice of the anointed establishment statists, rest assured that our ruling elite have an insurance policy anyway - votes are "counted" by their computers...and in secret!