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Blackhawk Ben Down: Stocks Have Now Faded QEternity

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8 days after the rapturous calls of all-in 'Ben's got yer back' so buy-everything (coz retail will support you now and don't forget the beta chase?), the S&P futures have fully retraced the 40 points of S&P spikeworthiness that Ben's FOMC QEternity statement provided. Treasury yields are already notably below pre-FOMC levels, as is Oil; and the USD is higher - as Gold holds gains too but is fading.



We can only assume that with all pretense of surprise factor gone now Bernanke has shot his wad, fundamentals (earnings) do matter once again...


and where to from here... 1417.75 then 1398.25 next in ES Dec12...


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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:58 | 2831642 idea_hamster
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   "Blackhawk Ben Down"

Have I said lately how much I love you guys?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831666 SilverTree
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Diminishing Fibonacci returns Bitchez!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:02 | 2831676 Precious
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Helicopters don't fly in outer space.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:05 | 2831697 JPM Hater001
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"We're going to need more agents."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:13 | 2831745 Popo
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I'm trying to calculate the difference between infinity and 8 days.  Can anyone help?   :D

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:43 | 2832774 12ToothAssassin
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How does S&P correlate with M2? There may be a lesson here...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831796 AnonymousCitizen
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Simple really. Rotate 90 degrees.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:25 | 2831822 LULZBank
Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:28 | 2831839 JPM Hater001
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:43 | 2833493 robertocarlos
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Already posted by AC.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:17 | 2831764 indygo55
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But I thought he had "other tools"? We're gonna need more tools.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:26 | 2831832 LULZBank
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Everyone in the Fed is a tool.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 03:45 | 2834670 Colonel Klink
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My dad has a bitchin set of tools.  We can fix it!

-Jeff Spicoli

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:05 | 2831699 flacon
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Silver is having a rough time too.... 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:17 | 2831767 GetZeeGold
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It's called just looks that way.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:18 | 2831774 TheSilverJournal
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Sell equities and buy what?...bonds?

The market's not rolling over here and neither is silver. It's much more likely we'll see a nice rally. 10 year yields have fallen pretty steep relative to the very small sell off in equities. This shows how much pressure there is for the markets to move higher.

If the sell off is to continue, that means equities will be sold in exchange for bonds, driving yields even lower. Bonds are simply priced too high and the bond bubble will support the stock market.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:02 | 2831678 Dr. Richard Head
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This, according to the Urban Dictionary, is known as a bang-over or post-coital remorse.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:06 | 2831706 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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...... does this happen often?  Never heard of it.  ?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:14 | 2831750 Dr. Richard Head
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Back in my whaling days it did. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:03 | 2831682 idea_hamster
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:04 | 2831688 SWRichmond
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Get ready for the final sag, going into taxmageddon.  Watch for Congressional lame-duck craziness.  Brace brace brace.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:13 | 2831739 DeadFred
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and he killed the Bernanke Put to get that much...

If the put is truly gone what will be the better trades when the market realizes that 'down' is once again in the playbook?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:35 | 2831874 RSloane
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I will never ever understand why he destroyed the Bernanke put. It was serving his purposes so well. Did he shoot himeslf in the foot for a fungal infection?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:35 | 2831875 Bicycle Repairman
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Ben better up his game.  Taxmageddon is coming, he will have to act decisively and failure is not an option.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:00 | 2834500 hedgehog9999
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Taxmaggedon compounded by a worldwide recession and for sure a government gridlock no matter who wins. And this is already baked in,,,,,,, I haven't  listed the 10 or so possiible black or pink swans on the near horizon....................................... 

As some would say, reality is fast approaching bitchezz!!!!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:09 | 2831703 Mercury
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More like: que the scramble for hard assets as capital preservation becomes the new black.



Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:35 | 2831877 Muddy1
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"Blackhawk Ben Down: Stocks Have Now Faded QEternity",  as have gold and silver, look at the charts.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:58 | 2831648 GetZeeGold
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My hot printed no good?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:09 | 2831722 LongSoupLine
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:40 | 2831897 XitSam
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Time-release vaporization

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:59 | 2831650 Fist full of CDOs
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We just lost the initiative

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831658 GetZeeGold
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Tim's trophy is a lot bigger than mine.....and he didn't have to do a damn thing to get it.


What gives?


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831651 Debtonation
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Where's Obama, he needs to hold a press conference and threaten an SPR buyback to keep oil prices from going too low.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:02 | 2831674 GetZeeGold
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Where's Obama, he needs to hold a press conference


He just needs to kill Osama.......again.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:08 | 2831713 krispkritter
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I just hope they don't hire the director from that 'Innocence...' movie to film it this time. I doubt there's any money in the budget to hire better though. What? We don't have a budget? Awesome! Someone call James Cameron and get a bank from China on the phone!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:37 | 2831885 RSloane
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This is no lie. The US killed Osama four times. I would not take a fifth-time play off the books.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:59 | 2831655 slaughterer
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"...with all pretense of surprise factor gone now Bernanke has shot his wad, fundamentals (earnings) do matter once again..."

"Other tools" will be hinted for further future  "accomodative measures" by a Hilsenroomer soon enough. ie. unsterilized Treasury purchases.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:06 | 2831702 LawsofPhysics
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with ZIRP and soon to be NIRP they are already monetizing everything in the paper world.  Please, wake the fuck up.  All paper promises are burning, period.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:59 | 2831656 realtick
Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831659 achmachat
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that was fast!

my educated guess would have been 4 to 5 weeks!

does this count as some kind of keynesian black swan?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:51 | 2831959 Midas
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Must still be early in the morning.  I read that as "kenyan black swan."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831660 CosmicDebris
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:04 | 2831689 GetZeeGold
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Sure.....what the hell?


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831723 CosmicDebris
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Ben praying? too small?

Gonna change avatar again. Original post above was supposed to have arrows pointing to pic of Ben praying (or at least it looked like it). My bad.  It was too small to see his eyes closed with hands in prayer position.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:41 | 2831907 RSloane
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I like your avatar. I think people were junking Ben, not you.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:24 | 2832123 CosmicDebris
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Oh.  lol.  Still getting used to commenting here. Thanks for the heads up!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:04 | 2831691 idea_hamster
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Junked: I refuse to do as I'm told.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:07 | 2831709 JPM Hater001
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*Drop food


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:08 | 2831711 GetZeeGold
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 I refuse to do as I'm told.


....a rebel without a clause.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831668 Jason T
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yet they succeeded in killing Bob Jenua?  lol 's stop loss at 1450.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:08 | 2831721 kaa1016
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That's the problem with specific targets. A lot of times, it causes you to make the wrong move at the wrong time. I respect his discipline though. I think he will be proven very right with his downside target.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:01 | 2831669 HD
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Coming Soon:

QEinfinity 2

This time it's personal

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:07 | 2831712 idea_hamster
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Or, as Gregor Cantor would say:

QEfinity 2: This time, it's Aleph 1!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:13 | 2831742 HD
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I was going to go with QEinfinity 2: Ben's Revenge  but wanted to keep it simple.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:19 | 2831776 slaughterer
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I like QETOTAL.  Figure if we have time locked, we also need size and extent.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:00 | 2831670 Conman
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Cue deerinheadlights.jpg

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:01 | 2831672 LawsofPhysics
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Paper-pushing fucknuts, meet reality.  Know the real value of your labor?  Time to find out, fucking bring it.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:03 | 2831681 Dr. Engali
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You better turn the printer dial up to eleven Ben.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:21 | 2831791 tocointhephrase
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warp speed in 5...4...3...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:05 | 2831694 ekm
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When are people going to understand that if there is only one buyer, The Fed + Primary Dealers, the market does NOT exist; nobody else is buying. Exactly like the JPM's whale that owned 70% of that specific market; no trading.


Why is this so difficult to understand?

QE = Security Buying = Less securities available for trading= Lower liquidity

Conclusion: QE = Lower Liquidity


Again, why is this so difficult to understand?


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:25 | 2831820 Bastiat
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But what about the money that purchased the securities?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:30 | 2831849 ekm
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It's going to USTs, crude oil and gold. Mainly USTs though.

Mutual Funds are selling, primary dealers are buying. Mutual Funds former members are cashing out and paying down debt or needing the money for survival.

The problem for primary dealers: LACK OF SUCKERS.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:12 | 2831859 Precious
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Bernanke to Banks:

You take our paper which will become shit, and we'll take your morgages which are shit. That way it looks like we're at least doing something.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:44 | 2831920 RSloane
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Its sane, correct, and based in reality. Of course people will reject it. They were promised wiggle room, your statements don't give any.

Plus 1 to you Sir.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:54 | 2831968 ekm
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Thx a lot, sir.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:05 | 2831700 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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People bought the rumer not knowing the program didn't start on day one.  From what I can tell the QEX MBS buying program will begin on Oct 10th, as the white paper states that the bulk of purchases will occur on the 8th business day of every month.

The paper also says they will buy $40B, or more if need be and purchases will go until the end of the month.

If you are not out of paper by Oct 10th, you should have been, because you were warned.

The Most Vague White Paper in Modern History:

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:15 | 2831754 LawsofPhysics
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Correct, and have absolutely no effect on the real economy.  Simply make banks "appear" solvent again so bonuses can be maintained.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:06 | 2831704 slaughterer
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We will close GREEN today and tomorrow.

QE4 is a 'coming.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:08 | 2831719 JPM Hater001
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I have an ounce says both are red.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:16 | 2831762 LawsofPhysics
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Wake the fuck up, there is no "market".  Don't risk any physical.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:20 | 2831784 GetZeeGold
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Since you're pointed it out......we decided to put you in charge.


Have fun!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:29 | 2831845 JPM Hater001
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"Don't risk any physical."

I was talking pot.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:45 | 2831925 XitSam
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Pot: more physical than fiat.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:22 | 2832117 markar
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What's the difference? They both go up in smoke eventually.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:49 | 2831946 LawsofPhysics
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That is still a very real physical asset that one might not want to risk.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:20 | 2831782 slaughterer
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:23 | 2831804 Dr. Engali
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Witness that a gold or silver ounce?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:30 | 2831848 JPM Hater001
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See above.


You guys really need to get over everything being about metal.  Other things do get weighed in ounces you know.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:42 | 2831913 Dr. Engali
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It's been 25 years since I smoked a mind doesn't work that way any more. Now when I see or hear the word ounce my mind naturally drifts to PMs.:)

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:52 | 2831955 LULZBank
Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:32 | 2831858 Pure Evil
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Tungsten bitchezes!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:35 | 2831873 fuu
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:35 | 2831880 Terminus C
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:06 | 2831705 GolfHatesMe
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Looks like a day filled with Rowing at PPT today, better order lunch in

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:07 | 2831708 orangedrinkandchips
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NEVER again will earnings or fundies matter....

PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN....I liked what someone said yesterday about Ben shooting his wad. We all know he's not "dumb" and has access to unadulterated stats from here to QEternity, but HE SEES THE TRUTH....and is scared shitless.


Now all of a sudden Ben is bigger than the Pope or any other leader in the

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:08 | 2831717 Arnold Ziffel
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Home prices may not return to peak until 2023


U.S. home prices dropped by a third from the start of 2007 to the start of 2012, according to Fiserv, an analytics firm.

Fiserv forecasts prices will bounce back an average of 3.7% a year for the next five years -- a rate that would still leave prices 20% below the peak. At that forecasted growth rate, the national average high of $238,000 would not be hit again until 2023.


I think they are bing overly optimistic.....2023...too much supply and still building like crazy....

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831795 Dr. Engali
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Japan is still waiting for home prices to bottom 23 years after the peak.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:11 | 2831731 Mitch Comestein
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Lady market is ready for round two, but Ben is sleeping.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:11 | 2831733 LULZBank
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8 days after the rapturous calls of all-in 'Ben's got yer back' so buy-everything (coz retail will support you now and don't forget the beta chase?), the S&P futures have fully retraced the 40 points

... and on the 10th day, the markets rose mysteriously and there was great rejoicing on the Wall Street...

The elders said "surely it cant be happening, this is unsustainable..."

And a voice on the CNBC said "Fear not... we will keep you happy, entertained and optimistic all the way down... into the gutter..."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:12 | 2831736 mendigo
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When I was a kid in grade school I had to attend some geek conference were some precosious nerd presented a boring-ass disertation on the nature of a non-orthagnal coordinate system and the implications thereof. I did not pay attention and my only take away was that the kid was a geek.
I now believe that kid went on to become fed chairman and is experimenting on us with a skewed monetary system.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:13 | 2831741 Dan Conway
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Great Title!   "Blackhawk Ben Down"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:17 | 2831753 francis_sawyer
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Yom Kippur (Sept 25/26, 2012)

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:16 | 2831759 Lost Wages
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It took me so long to figure out what to do with this QE3 bizniz in regard to our 401K... I thought so long about it, everything went back to normal and I didn't change a thing.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:16 | 2831761 TideFighter
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I'm not an electrician, but it seems the presses have gone from 110 to 220, 220 to 440, 440 to 880...

Is there a machine geared to run on that much juice?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:30 | 2834265 jerry_theking_lawler
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you've got it all wrong...presses just run faster (feet per minute) not more voltage. its pretty simple, variable speed drive or higher speed motor and that baby will roll....up to a physical limit with roll speed(revolutions per minute) that will make any bearing known to man 'give up the ghost'.....

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:17 | 2831769 Abraxas
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My instincts are telling me to buy more junior shares... must... resist...the urge...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:25 | 2831817 tocointhephrase
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Mind sharing which ones your trying to resist???

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:15 | 2831965 Abraxas
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:19 | 2831779 PTDBDucks
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831799 Grand Supercycle
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Due to recent central bank intervention and short covering spikes, these daily charts are extremely overextended and significant correction expected very soon:


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:26 | 2831825 tocointhephrase
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You forgot to write double post!!!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:30 | 2831850 Non Passaran
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This supercycle extends into the future. It may even outlive the euro. Or at least Draghi.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831800 marcusfenix
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:22 | 2831801 Hedgetard55
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Well, the Bernanke Bounce wasn't all that great to start with so...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:24 | 2831808 Dan Conway
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That didn't take long for this QE to stop working (not that it ever intended to work).  Now those idiots at the Fed will apply the adage by many of history's worst business minds:  Make it up in volume! 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:24 | 2831809 XtraBullish
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I give it another ten minutes until we get the Phoenix Capital "See? We told you so..."


Stocks wll rally 50 S&P points by November 2nd.


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:26 | 2831828 Jethro
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I wonder what the odds are that the government will mandate that 401Ks will have to purchase some amount of treasury swaps to try to bail them out?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:26 | 2831829 slightlyskeptical
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That's because the market is realizing that QE3 is causing more leverage to be pulled out the markets than the Fed is putting in.  That is not a recipe for inflation and rising asset prices.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:38 | 2831888 williambanzai7
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:42 | 2831909 GetZeeGold
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Cat's been working out....he looks good!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:50 | 2831953 tradewithdave
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True.  But the bacon market is heading up.  One man's trash is another man's Little Smokie.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:09 | 2832031 Zadok
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Isn't this just a redux of 2008? It seems like at about this time stocks rolled over and after a suitable period of pain and fear, threats of various forms of catastrophic financial mutually assured destruction ensued. Apparently we need to change the presidential laundry as a distraction from the real problem of currency debasement and to keep the opposition hopping against the dominant media meme of the two party muppets.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:13 | 2832066 Zadok
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If so, than we can anticipate some useful pain and trumpeted fear followed by some financial farce given a platform to claim finanxial Armageddon if we don't do what the bankers want, give away sovereignty, etc, etc.

Wow, I am so impressed the second time around...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:29 | 2832144 Jethro
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I'll just put this here....

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:40 | 2832229 Bicycle Repairman
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QE3 is so small, it is essentially not much more than jawboning.  I think the Bernank hoped that the open-ended nature of QE3 would be enough.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:57 | 2832306 the producers
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Does this mean Ben doesn't get to work for BAC next year as  "co-chair of special consultants" at $10 Million a year if O'Bummer gets ousted?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:21 | 2832435 GFORCE
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An October rout would be a classic going into elections but then it's a choice of two Wall St patsys anyway.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:04 | 2832640 TruthBeforeAll
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This is all my fault. I bought those 700 shares of GY and the fact that I'm a real person threw the whole market out of balance. I'm sorry.

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