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Chicago Fed Asks "What Are Asset Bubbles" As Its President Calls For Even More QE

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Readers may know the Chicago Fed best for its president: arguably the greatest dove in the history of central banking, Charles Evans, for whom QEternity is so insufficient, it is just the beginning, and he is already looking forward to QEternity. In fact, just today he reiterated his support for QE3 for the second time since the program's announcement on Thursday the 13th (a day which will live in infamy), saying the recovery has so far been so "disappointing" (which at least means one can safely ignore all those pundits who claimed over the past 3 years the economy was growing, so roughly 99% of them) that the Fed should do "even more."

"With the problems we face and the potential dangers lying ahead, it is essential to do as much as we can now to bolster the resiliency and vibrancy of the economy... We should not be resistant to policies that could move the unemployment rate closer its longer-run level, but run the risk of inflation running only a few tenths above our 2 percent goal."

Essentially, Evans, and the Chicago Fed, are explicitly stating that the Fed's actions instead of making the situation far more dire (which they have as we showed on Sunday when we demonstrated the ongoing massive deleveraging in the shadow banking system as a result of a total loss of confidence in a Fed-free economy, forcing the Fed to do ever more QE), are improving it.

So far so good. But where it gets scary is that just today, the same Fed, which is so sure about the affirmative impact of its actions, asks "what are asset price bubbles" (answer: always and without fail the direct effect of ultra loose monetary policy combined with unleashed animal spirits, but what do we know: we have no Econ PhD), confirming it has no clue what the adverse consequences of monetary policy are. And this is the Fed - one which does not grasp the very simple nature of asset bubbles in a fiat world - that is saying Bernanke should print until he literally runs out of toner cartridge. Why whatever can possibly go wrong?

It gets better.

The paper acknowledges that "For at least the past 25 years, the Federal Reserve has tended to follow an approach to asset bubble management in which there is little or no restrictive monetary policy action during the bubble’s formation and growth, but there is a prompt easing in the form of quick reductions in market interest rates once the bubble bursts." In other words the Fed is perfectly happy to have its policies result in something known as an asset bubble, which the same Fed admits it can't quantify, but not intervene until the entire economy is on the verge of collapse and then to literally throw the kitchen sink at the problem, an epic misconception which is at the basis of Bernanke's statement that he can cure inflation "in 15 minutes." We also learn something rather amusing about this Fed policy, subsequently known, appropriately enough as the Jackson Hole Consensus: "The intellectual foundation for this approach was the seminal piece by Ben Bernanke and Mark Gertler (originally published in 1999)." In other words, years before his infamous 'helicopter" paper, Bernanke was already espousing the free blowing of bubbles, consequences be damned.

Here is where it gets fun: the paper next admits: "The Jackson Hole Consensus appeared to work well until September 2008, when the financial system came close to a complete meltdown." Without say so directly, the Chicago Fed, which recall does not know what asset price bubbles are, implicitly admitted that it was the Chairman's own ideology which led to the epic crash that nearly wiped out the financial markets of the "developed" world, and has since pushed the world into the greater depression ever seen, one only offset so far courtesy of the ever greater risk, expected to hit $5 trillion by the end of 2014, that the Fed has onboarded on its own balance sheet. In essence the Fed has become the biohazard repository of only resort. It is this biohazard that is somehow expected to find willing buyers when the time to crash the market, i.e., tighten comes.

There are many more pearl of wisdom in the paper, some of which are the following:

  • History shows us that asset bubbles occur and that their bursting can be detrimental to the macroeconomy.
  • Evidence suggests that some bubbles can have a significant adverse impact on the macroeconomy when they burst.
  • [There is ]empirical evidence supporting the conjecture that stock market overvaluation—i.e., a bubble—can lead to overinvestment in the bubble sector.
  • Excess liquidity encourages lenders to be overaggressive and to underprice risk in hopes that proceeds from loan growth will more than offset any later losses stemming from the aggressive behavior.

And so on. But the punchline is this:

  • We still do not have a good definition of an asset bubble; and we still do not know how to identify them, what causes them to grow or burst, or what their welfare implications are. More research needs to be conducted to address these questions.

And this coming from the same Fed, whose president concurrently said more QE is needed, i.e., even bigger bubbles need to be blow.

Is there, thus, any wonder why nobody has any faith left in the US economy, and why everyone is convinced that the next epic market collapse, when the next bubble bursts, may very well be the final (hopefully this should go some way to explaining the age old question: why are there $2 trillion in cash on the sidelines and why do corporations have zero faith in the economy, and the market, and are unwilling to invest any cash in either capex or hiring).

Full Chicago Fed paper: "Asset price bubbles: What are the causes, consequences, and public policy options?"


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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:45 | 2834296 Abraxas
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I don't mind asset bubbles... gold is an asset, right?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:03 | 2834327 Richard Chesler
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Is Dove a buzzword for Corrupt?


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:17 | 2834351 Cult_of_Reason
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The entire Fed board is all Obama appointees consisting exclusively of left wing Keynesian money printing retards.

It is sad, but the Fed is a bunch of political assholes.

It is fucking scary how political and reckless the Fed assholes are.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:20 | 2834359 Dr Benway
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It's like an obese man, eating his way out of a bathtub full of beans, asking what flatulence is.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:41 | 2834367 Precious
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Their motto: "I read it once, therefore I am."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:23 | 2834444 Wraithlord
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I've posted this before, but it's more like "I print and therefore I am"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:31 | 2834466 Pinto Currency
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First Bernanke with QE III (hasn't worked well so far so we need to double down), then Plosser , and now this.

These clowns are igniting what is going to be one hell of a run into real assets.

They are executing their failed theory to destruction - our destruction.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:34 | 2834473 flacon
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We can wish, can't we?...


Charles Evans Jr. to Remain in Jail

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:38 | 2834484 flacon
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This one is not a joke - "the" Charles Evans says low rates my extend INTO TWO THOUSAND AND ELEVEN:


Chicago Fed's Evans Says Low Rates May Extend Into 2011

(Hey Charles... how's them 'low rates' working out for ya?! FUCKER!)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 03:26 | 2834663 Peter Pan
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As one famous American once said, "we live in an age of guided missles and misguided men." I guess that sums up the Fed, although their money printing doesn't seem to be hitting the target either.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 04:31 | 2834685 LikeClockwork
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To Quanfinity and Beyond!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:07 | 2834718 Sofa King
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When you see at least 5 morons in new Porsche Panemera turbos driving around, all in the course of one day, it's safe to assume the there is an asset bubble out there. Follow them to their place of business and there you will find the asset that is a bubbling.

Recently, that reasoning has failed me because each of those brain-dead ass- hats I followed went to some sort of medical lab or Community Health Action office. Strange, how can healthcare be a bubble?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:05 | 2834753 Spirit Of Truth
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Belief in "animal spirits" would first require admission that man is an animal.  Bernanke and the like see themselves as gods and money as our master.  Tis all about the false religion of homo economicus and an irrational faith in Mammon.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:17 | 2834518 dbomb12
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"We should not be resistant to policies that could move the unemployment rate closer its longer-run level"

That level being 0, by the time these masters of the universe get done the labor force participation rate will be non existent,

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:22 | 2834570 ebworthen
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"By the Castle of Gray Skull!  I deem more debt buying MBS's to improve career employment!"

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:59 | 2834642 pamriallc
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Simple reality remains that fiscal policy drives most of monetary policy. If you throw Bernanke at the head of the bus and politicians lean aggressively to one side and then to the other, the bus rocks......and Bernanke is asked to drive straight no matter what. His steering remains erratic, and we only blame the driver, yet the true back seat drivers here are the unchecked spenders who crush te future of America......our beloved politicians.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:24 | 2834571 ebworthen
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It's those damn cats and dogs, couldn't possibly be the obese human PhD tax bean eateing fiat fart factory Ben Bernanke!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:14 | 2834758 Caggge
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The Fed board and SCOTUS both should have term limits and both should be elected by the people. They are both positions that "the people" cannot afford to have sold to the highest banker...I mean bidder.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:32 | 2834377 LongSoupLine
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Dove is a buzzword for full fucking retard on meth.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:30 | 2834526 SafelyGraze
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it is just the beginning, and he is already looking forward to QEternity?.

infinity to the infinity and we're only just barely getting going

Georg Cantor for Fed Chair

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:03 | 2834328 max2205
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This shit is getting real.....fuckers are crazy. Was and are and will be

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:19 | 2834357 Xibalba
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subprime is contained....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:31 | 2834615 qmhedging
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(Reuters) - A landmark U.S. fine for excessive speculation in the benchmark cotton futures market has revealed a startling new dimension to last year's blistering winter price rally: the biggest bull was a Chinese trader with a $510 million punt.

A little-known Shanghai firm called Sheenson Investments Ltd and its founder Weidong Ge, a former trader at China's vast state-owned agriculture trading company COFCO, have agreed to return $1 million in ill-gotten gains and pay a $500,000 civil penalty for exceeding federal limits on speculative bets in soybean oil and cotton futures, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission said on Tuesday.

It is the agency's biggest-ever "disgorgement" agreement associated with position limits and among the biggest civil fines, according to a review of a dozen such enforcement measures since 1995. It is the first against a Chinese firm.

The action is the latest sign that the CFTC is cracking down on excessive speculation harder than ever following years of political uproar over soaring grain and energy prices. Even tougher limits on commodity markets come into force next month amid the first big wave of Dodd-Frank financial reforms imposed following the 2008 financial crisis.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:04 | 2834752 Offthebeach
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So political appointees fluffers, bootlicks, hacks, without productive skills, agree that boatloading politicos and their dependents with printed money is some umba-gumba, 50 pages of palaver thing to do. Who would of thought?
PhD, econ. Just another title for akneepad wearing, cum guzzler.

I miss Boss Tweed and his gang. They were honest enough to know they were thieves.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:25 | 2834769 markmotive
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"Economics is hard"

-- Richmond Fed.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:16 | 2834858 WonderDawg
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Yes, gold is an asset. If you own any, how are you going to feel if it's in a bubble, and the bubble pops? Still won't mind?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 14:50 | 2836286 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Well, WD, the question is relative. In holding gold, (physical, as all else is at best questionable), you are actually betting that the gold bubble will outlast the dollar bubble. Methinks I'll see the dollar bubble burst,(devaluation), before the gold one does. As a contemporary said to me the other day, "A Mercury dime will always buy a loaf of bread."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:24 | 2834303 HelluvaEngineer
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:47 | 2834304 jcaz
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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:50 | 2834640 BoNeSxxx
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I still prefer Fuck-Shites...

(does anyone happen to have a link to that clip?  That was one of my ZH favorites)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:24 | 2835305 Citxmech
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Here are both:

PS  My translation of the Fed's policy:  "The beatings will continue until moral improves."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:47 | 2834305 km4
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David Stockman: "The Capital Markets Are Simply A Branch Casino Of The Central Bank"

Thank you David....nuff said !

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:50 | 2834309 stant
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i wish i didnt have children, the panic is so fun to watch, when i look at from a just me stand point

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:22 | 2834442 Vooter
Vooter's picture're right. Luckily, I have no children...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 03:30 | 2834666 Colonel Klink
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Ditto!  Only thing I have is a dog.  She listens better, costs less, and is actually useful without a bunch of back talk.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:07 | 2834755 spentCartridge
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Same deal with my cat.


I love my cat :)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:19 | 2834864 WonderDawg
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Pound for pound, cats are the badasses of the domesticated animal world.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:36 | 2834478 aphlaque_duck
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"Revolutionaries should have as many children as possible." -- Ted Kaczynsky

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:46 | 2834746 mckee
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Miniature revolutionaries bubble!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:55 | 2834313 HedgeAccordingly
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Asset bubbles lead to this... or could just be political posturing... 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:58 | 2834315 chump666
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The man is clinically insane.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:44 | 2834393 Cabreado
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You are in fact correct, but unfortunately (and "coincidentally") the DSM has been recently modified to the point where proving it becomes difficult.

It is a festering case in point -- one in which the definition of insane and all its variants (just call it "antisocial") has been declared out of bounds, by the perpetrators themselves, while the fallout of their self-absorption is on full display, ever more so... and while they are terrified (of simply being exposed), they have not a clue what has gone wrong or where the onus might lie.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:55 | 2834596 chump666
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Yes he is nuts, but it's contagious which is very, very dangerous.  Check your Shanghai chart, China is starting to print...large.  Another huge wave of inflation is about to smash across the world ala China's print madness. 

 markets are now choking on liquidity.  May do the opposite and send stock south next few days.



Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:56 | 2834317 BrigstockBoy
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Okay Chuck, your turn in the barrel again!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:55 | 2834318 lailapa
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People should start getting ready for great trials ...for International Courts, where the current loan sharks shall give account.

Rothschild, Rockefeller, Greenspan, Bernanke, Trichet, Soros, Buffett –and other “kids” of the loan sharking- should not sleep calmly from this point on.

The world is getting “awake” from “narcosis” and pity to the one who shall be found to have made the wrong at the wrong time ...pity to the who “sedated” them to “rape” them ...pity to the one who shall be found holding the criminal “tube” ...pity to the one who threatened the future of the human kind.


Global Debt Crisis


Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:06 | 2834330 max2205
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Again. What the fuck are they afraid of. Must be real fucking bad

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:28 | 2834460 Go Tribe
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"With the problems we face and the potential dangers lying ahead..."

Yeah, that little morsel caught my eye, too. Either there's a wall of shit coming our way, or they are simply lying through their teeth to strip Americans of all they hold dear.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:13 | 2834343 sgorem
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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:14 | 2834347 Atlas Shrugging
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At what point does the term "Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction" get coined and seriously considered for the great threat to society that these people/ideologies actually are?

Some people just need to die due to the threat they pose to innocent people ...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:26 | 2834524 Overfed
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You know what they say: some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:18 | 2834355 prains
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there is a MAJOR MALFUNCTION at the cerebral junction and requires a great deal of sunction

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:21 | 2834362 devo
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End the FED, hang the Bernake.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:59 | 2834408 yogibear
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And plenty of free rope provided by patriots of the republic. Enough for all the criminals.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:18 | 2834567 ebworthen
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Roll the rope in glue and broken glass first please.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:25 | 2834366 buzzsaw99
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The fed will buy FB stock next. [/no joke]

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:44 | 2834394 The Shootist
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Is it wrong that Facefucks follies bring me so much joy??

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:30 | 2834372 bnbdnb
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Just answer like all my friends...why don't we just print more money?

I'm beginning to think I'm the schmuck.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:32 | 2834375 Jlmadyson
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Hooked like crack.

Crack-smoking QE hooked markets.

Stephen S Roach


Oh yea expect QE3.5 by year end says marketwatch. Got to buy those bloody T's because primaries can't take it anymore.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:46 | 2834388 Miles Kendig
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Milton Friedman advocated the proposition that all that matters is the quality of the theory, rendering outcomes moot. Chicago hasn't changed much.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:42 | 2834389 Dr.Vannostrand
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Mind officially fucking blown

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:44 | 2834392 blindman
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Fleetwood Mac - Landslide

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:48 | 2834396 kevinearick
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Can't you just see the idiot now- bricks without straw, the first born of egypt, blood in the nile, blah, blah, blah...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:55 | 2834403 Coldfire
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The Chicago Fed's Charles Evans is a festering gobutit.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:05 | 2834419 yogibear
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They pump out these Keysian tards all at the same places. PhDs of wealth thievery. 

Evans takes the lead is currency debasement.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:08 | 2834422 rp1
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Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:10 | 2834427 rlouis
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Yesterday someone in our area jumped off a freeway overpass at rush hour.  That's a statement - made everyone going to work part of a very slow parade. How f'n depressed is that?  Yellow-tarp-wrapped body lying on the freeway for hours. Financing both sides of wars has been the banksters MO for a long time, they're probably close to pulling the trigger, the tension sure seems to be rising. The people in Greece are only leading the way.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:11 | 2834430 DavosSherman
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Pay a lot now, or pay more than everything later. pain or PAIN

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:15 | 2834436 blindman
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NRBQ IN FULL HD "Magnet" Live from Falls Church, Virginia 1-15-2012

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:25 | 2834452 Go Tribe
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"The intellectual foundation for this approach was the seminal piece by Ben Bernanke and Mark Gertler (originally published in 1999)."

"Intellectual foundation," eh? The guy's dumber than a box of rocks.

Guess I'm not surprised, this being the Chicago Obama Fed: Run the presses and fuck the Americans.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:59 | 2834496 Ropingdown
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The Fed isn't dumb.  It is simply a slave to the banks.  In Andrew Mellon's day most loans were heavily collateralized, and so Mellon could say, as a bank owner, "let the deflation run it's course."  Mellon loans would break, the collateral would be brought in, and eventually a secure profit would be made, perhaps a very large one, once the economy reflated.  Today we have witnessed the staggering growth of uncollateralized or poorly secured debt.  The bankers cannot afford to see that sort of asset collapse.  I note that the "second mandate" of the Fed, to set policy in a way which encourages full employment, is nothing but a clever ruse put in place to save the bankers: If the bankers and Congress desparately need unstable prices, inflation in the presence of artificially low policy rates, the employment exception is there to cover them, a PR screen for their self-interest.  I doubt the public reflects on such realities.  They are apparently, despite their under-employment, busy.  I would have wished that Bernanke were an expert on the Roaring Twenties and Loose Money, not the Depression and how to desperately print money.  Then I reflected that his skipping to the money printing era was not an oversight on his part but rather a preference.  There's profit in a bubble and bust and reflate....if your of the banker class.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:09 | 2834509 Bernankenstein
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My mommy taught me a poem. I have no idea what it means...but it is like the "Three Little Fishes" poem. Don't forget to say the chorus after each verse. God I love my job. She always made me part of the story. It inspired me to become what I am today.



Down at the Fed in a little bitty room

Was a cabal of seven board governors, and Benny, too.

Print! Said the seven to Benny, Print if you can! Print if you wish.

So they printed and printed and printed, right over the fiscal cliff.


Chorus: Krugy Krugy Lloyd, Dimon Dimon Timmy Boob


Stop! Said the middle class (whatever that is), you’ll cause us great loss!

But the seven guvs and Ben didn’t want to be bossed

So those seven retarded knuckleheads set off on a printing spree

And they printed and printed, right on to eternity.


Whee! yelled the 7 stooges, oh this is a lot of fun!

Print all through the days, we’ll never be done!

So they printed and printed and printed, it was all moneterrorist recreation

‘Till all of a sudden they noticed some hyperinflation.


Whoa! Cried the guvs, oh look at the prices!

Who’d have known our fun could have caused such a crisis?

Back to the Fed they convened and conspired,

To ensure the economy is eternally mired.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:15 | 2834513 Precious
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LOL.  This is great.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:36 | 2834531 Bernankenstein
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Me speaking now, not my pseudonym...


I figured that maybe children's songs may be the best medium for educating the economists at the Fed as nothing else has worked.

Thanks for enjoying it. I just wrote it on the fly after reading a few articles tonight. Creativity born out of depression.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:15 | 2834538 Precious
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Mother was a smart doctor.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:03 | 2834548 resurger
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Does that mean that gold/silver are in a bubble due to lose monetay policies?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:07 | 2834554 Dr. Engali
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No it means we have a dollar bubble. Gold and silver are a constant.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:14 | 2834555 sasebo
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Has anybody looked at a basic circular flow chart lately? I think this is where the real answers to when will all this crazyness end are to be found. A basic flow chart shows the mechanism that makes the economy run. No govmunt & no finance. The real economy needs neither.

What it shows is that when you add finance, the leakage to savings removes money for consumption without adding an injection for investment. It also adds an injection from the fed (part of finance, not a part of guvmunt) to finance.

So what does this mean? It means that money is confiscated from workers by corporate profits, taxes, to purchase imports & debt payments to finance. So guvmont has to borrow money from finance (the fed) to transfer to laid off consumers to finance corporate profits, imports, taxes & bank loans, etc.

And where does this fed, financial, guvmont insanity end? Simple. And it can only be seen from a look at a simple circular flow diagram. When the worker-consumer is removed from the flow diagram who's going to provide corporate profits, repay bank loans, pay govmunt taxes & pay for the trade deficit? The fed printing presses? Yeah, right.

And this is a first pass -- just think what a phd grad student (Austrian not Keynesian) can do with this.   

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:58 | 2834600 Bobportlandor
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Too many people have their fingers on your dollars trying to survive.

Dollars will continue up the food chain until all are brought down.

At the end people caste position will be determined by the holding of physicial assets and the means to keep it.

Keeping it! Thats the next segment of the circle where the poor screwed hungry guy is going to have something to say about that.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:13 | 2834558 ebworthen
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Asset bubbles mean that if the government and GM and AIG and J.P. Morgan and Citi and Wells Fargo and GE and Fannie/Freddie don't need to pay their bills or taxes I don't either mother fuckers!  Rot in HELL!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:22 | 2834560 Dr. Engali
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Can we please move on to the intrinsic value of the dollar... zero..and get it over with? For cripes sakes its obvious they want to torch the damn thing why are you zombies hanging on? I am so fucking tired of the slow fucking bleed. .... Just torch the damn thing will you?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:31 | 2834572 Better_late_tha...
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The crazy stuff I read on here is getting crazier by the day and the comments are getting way more agressive too. I remember about a year ago when someone typed something like "They should throw these guys in a woodchipper feet first!" Several people laughed and warned about the "black helicopters coming." Now almost every reply is violent. I'm expecting this site to suddenly get the plug pulled, but I hope that never happens. I want all the data I can get from this place. Keep up the good work, Thanks!


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:37 | 2834911 RSBriggs
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Not to worry, it's an entertainment site, now owned by ABC....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:36 | 2834582 adr
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A bubble is anything that can not be bought with the currently held assets available.

Yes, it is that simple to spot. Credit in all forms leads to bubbles because it allows inflation to surpass the value of held currency.

This is also why increasing insurance coverage leads to higher medical costs. If there is an ability to raise prices, without causing the same percentage of assets to be removed from the patient, the person will not care how much the treatment costs. Just that they receive it.

Same goes for the education bubble.

Credit is always borrowing from the future, in order to pay for goods today. The problem is that it will always take ever increasing levels of assets to pay for what was borrowed. The only way to keep the system going is to continually increase inflation and the money supply. The debt exponentially grows.

The answer is simple. No more credit and no more leverage. No more futures trading and no more stock market.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:50 | 2834593 formadesika3
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Greatest dove in the history of central banking.

Even greater than Gideon Gono? Yikes! Let me out of here.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:49 | 2834748 proLiberty
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The far better question to ask is; what causes a large enough proportion of economic participants to get the wrong idea about the real time value of money and the future trajectory of the economy so that they make investments that are not "sustainable" (a concept the left loves to scold everyone else about)?   In other words, what triggers 'mal-investment'?  

Followup question for Keynes; do 'animal spirits' vary over time?  Is there an 'animal spirit' index?  Do government officials ever suffer from (or enjoy) 'animal spirits'?  Do government officials ever 'mal-invest'?  Who is more likely to mal-invest, a government official spending money freshly printed out of thin electrons or a private person with his after-tax life savings?  Solyndra?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:16 | 2834856 Catullus
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We still do not have a good definition of an asset bubble; and we still do not know how to identify them, what causes them to grow or burst, or what their welfare implications are. More research needs to be conducted to address these questions.

This is why the math jocks in economics are so wrong: they only know an asset bubble after it has popped. They're reduced to looking a price chart over some time period and guessing at what's going on. All that fancy math amounts to nothing more than economic price historian.

Sucks not having any concept of capital development.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:35 | 2834904 Apocalicious
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No, good math jocks saw it. Bad math jocks are dumb, and hence missed it. So the problem is NOT all math jocks versus smart, qualitative analysts. The argument is about smart people versus dumb people, people able to think on their own versus people stuck in dogma.


Smart math jocks added in shadow money suppley because they realized money center banks create money just as surely as the Fed does. Dumbasses, like Charles Evan, were stuck with M2.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:29 | 2834889 Apocalicious
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I've sat at a Chicago CFA event while this idiot pontificated. He is dumb. I'm talking seriously unimpressive IQ level, easily in the bottom half in that room (generously).


What made me nearly laugh out loud was his assurance that the Fed was monitoring inflation, and will see it coming. Why? Because they track M2!!


We're fucked, people. There's no stopping it. Protect yourselves, and your loved ones...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:35 | 2834903 RSBriggs
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You can't really blame him - the more the FED prints, the more money he sees come his way.  He just doesn't realize that it doesn't work like that for everyone else....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:55 | 2835189 Cthonic
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To the Bubble Sector, and Beyond!

This propaganda piece from the Chicago Fed will be but one of many academically abstruse mea culpas issued to pad the confessionary history books.

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