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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Market

Globalist Think Tank Suggests Using Engineered Event As Excuse For War With Iran

What is interesting about this discussion by the Washington Institute For Near East Policy, a Neocon (Globalist) think-tank, is that its primary purpose is not necessarily to debate the current political elements of the Iranian question.  They aren't contemplating the viability or morality of a war with Iran.  Instead, they are attempting to devise strtegies by which the government could CONVINCE the American public and the world that a war with Iran is the "right thing to do", even if it means fabricating their own justification.  For them, the war is a forgone conclusion, and they will do anything to make it a reality.

Think tanks like this not only construct policy framework, but they also write the subversive talking points used in the mainstream media that manipulate the masses into acceptance of that framework.  In the video below, there is no suggestion that Iran be left alone if the will of the public leans away from conflict.  Instead, Patrick Clawson (who works frequently with the Council On Foreign Relations) openly suggests that a Gulf Of Tonkin style event be ENGINEERED (he uses the phrase "covert means") in order to force a war into being.

Consider for a moment the kind of person that it takes to nonchalantly present such a scenario; a scenario which would use the unjust deaths of innocent people (likely Americans) in order to trick the masses into supporting yet another meaningless war which will undoubtedly cost hundreds of thousands if not millions more innocent lives.  Think about the moral relativism and dark-heartedness that is required to embrace this philosophy in the pithy and clinical way Clawson does.  Now realize that our government today is heavily populated by men and women who think in exactly this manner.  This is the rotten core of America's foreign policy on display for all to see.  Take note and remember what is suggested here the next time a sudden "attack" is blamed on a convenient scapegoat like Iran and used as a primer for invasion...

 

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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:30 | 2832152 forrestdweller
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se waw on tewwow still has not been won.

thewe awe still tewowists walking the suwface of the eawth.

we need to get sem.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:30 | 2832158 Banksters
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War is hell and those who promote it are evil.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:33 | 2832169 dwdollar
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This guy needs to be on that ship the Iranians "attack". Preferably strapped to the hidden explosives in the hull.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:33 | 2832177 Quinvarius
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More proof that our current system can never survive the internet.  Eventually enough people see enough of what is going on.  The information is out there and available to anyone who is curious.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:21 | 2832436 WarPony
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+1 - Certainly a "Turning Point"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:34 | 2832182 Catullus
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Nutbags. Including anyone who has ever donated to them. Nutbags. As in I don't want to associate with these people. I don't want to work with you. I don't want to do business with you. I don't want your kids near my kids. You people are fucking crazy. Take your murdering bloodlust to a room with pads and continue to smear your feces on the wall.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:36 | 2832195 Quinvarius
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Think tank = lawyers of logic.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:37 | 2832210 libertus
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Can somepost this e-mail and phone number so I can write him about how wrong this is. 

Keep it peaceful people. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:44 | 2832244 Vlad Tepid
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As close as I could get:

Patrick Clawson

Director of Research

Tel: 202-230-9550 (media inquiries only) 202-452-0650 (all other inquiries)
press@washingtoninstitute.org

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:47 | 2832258 Precious
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Tell him we don't want to play "Who's the Nazi now."

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:39 | 2832224 alien-IQ
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Sounds familiar.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:40 | 2832230 Vlad Tepid
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Nobody tell him that it was actually the Zimmerman Note, not the Lusitania, that pushed America to war in 1917. Might give the mealy-mouthed fuck a few ideas.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:06 | 2832311 helping_friendl...
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I thought it was the promise of the Balfour Declaration which pushed America into WWI.

The British promised the Joohs Palestine i.e. the Balfour Declaration as a reward for getting America to fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

America would have never gone against Max Warburg without the promise of Zion.

It is all part of the grand zionist plan. All wars benefit the Jooh. The Jooh starts all wars. The Jooh will sacrifice their own for profit. The Jooh is the enemy of Planet Earth.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:43 | 2832238 Shameful
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What I find most disheartening is not that evil men exist.  They always have, what is the real problem isthey can come out and publicly admit what they are doing and the barely sentient masses will plod along blissfully ignorant.  Those masses eager to devour and beleive any story given to them by their masters no matter how fanciful or innane.  The best argueemnt for evolution is how ape like in reasoning and perception our fellow men are.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:46 | 2832255 WhiteHose
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Because they love when someone does the thinking for them! Then they wont have to miss dancing with the stars or playing with their icrap!!!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:45 | 2832248 q99x2
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What do you get when you empty out a globalist think tank?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:47 | 2832257 The Count
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i think all those 'think tanks' do is smoke weed and come up with whatever result is expected from them.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:50 | 2832269 Bicycle Repairman
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I said it before: empty out all the think tanks and give them shovels.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:51 | 2832277 helping_friendl...
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Patrick Clawson, the Jooh Persian baiter, needs to be shanked asap. I would love to eat Patrick's heart cooked with jalepino peppers cooked Sichuan style. His kindeys too!!! Film it and mail it to his boyfriend. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:36 | 2833170 Darth Mul
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http://rense.com/general92/dsid.htm

They have no concern for human life, these Zionist 5th Columnists  {and for the record, I include guys like Cheney and Bush and various Jewish and Evangelical Christian talking heads who keep trying to make us forget there's no evidence Iran has or is working on a weapon {though who could blame them at this stage}.

These pompous assholes sit in Washington and talk about lying us into war, AGAIN for fucking Eretz Israel.

 

I wish nothing but safety and prosperity for the Israelis - the regular peeps -  who are as victimized by their government as we are by ours - but not Zionism, which is nothing more than Ashkenazi ultra-nationalism which relies on mythology and mytho-history to justify the proposition they have a "right" to ethnically cleanse and take over Arabized Canaanite land with American goyim tax money and blood.

http://m.current.com/community/93907305_johns-hopkins-study-confirms-european-jews-are-khazars.htm

Fuck.

Them.

And fuck their tribalistic, criminal code of conduct.   http://holywar.org/jewishtr/14who.htm

 

They deserve merciless punishment for what they've done to our brothers.  And for what they plan to do to the last drop of American blood...

http://rense.com/general92/dsid.htm

 

But we have, despite what p.c. lies wikipedia may tell you - a Z.O.G.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:56 | 2832279 NRGIsFree
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Sent them a note.. corporate@cfr.org

 


Hello



,


I am deeply concerned with some language used by Patrick Clawson during a discussion by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. It's seems Mr. Clawson feels inconvenienced by is inability to explain the rational for war openly. It appears as though he is suggesting the use of an attack on America or American interests to persuade the American people into supporting war. Historically this is common and know as a false flag attack. Give the public response to Mr. Clawsons comments, (see link below and associated comments). I believe it is important for his to clarify his statements and denounce any such illegal and manipulative activity. This referenced statements might otherwise be used as evidence to identify the conspirators any future "attack".


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-26/guest-post-globalist-think-tank...

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:33 | 2832676 RockyRacoon
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Looks like your next plane flight will experience a slight delay... if you ever leave the ground at all.... or the airport.... or if your friends and family ever see you again.  You might wanna relocate.  I hear Kazinsky's old cabin is vacant.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:58 | 2834629 matrix2012
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it sounds to me NRGIsFree just sent a BIG WARNING to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy to behave themselves better and be more tactical, that they need to be more secretive and operate in high obscurity!

NRGIsFree implies that the troubling part is just a matter of their LANGUAGE inaptness, not their SUBSTANCES or REAL INTENT since its inception!!!

Warned them to be aware that ZH is currently highlighting this matter (with handy link pinpointing here)... that they should amend their APPEARANCES right immediately to be politically correct and appear nicer, cooler, and be more trustworthy!!!  :-)>  LoL

It's so kind of you and it surely explains yourself, NRGIsFree  THUMBSUP!!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:54 | 2832294 loveyajimbo
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An engineered event to justify a war for profit?!!?!?  No way!! 

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:59 | 2832321 DutchMadness
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The real " Warroom " is not in The White House or Pentagon but in the executive offices of the big military and defence contractors. They are not looking to a map of Iran, but a map of their balance-sheet. They are looking for a conventional " Iraq-type " war, where lots of equipment and ammunition is needed... I hope I'm wrong..

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:02 | 2832339 CosmicDebris
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I wonder how long this video will remain available.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:03 | 2832342 Keyser
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The asshats in Washington will do anything to perpetuate their strangle hold over military spending, even at the risk of starting WWIII. They have to get the war kicked off before the mandatory spending cuts take effect in Janurary. What a bunch of fucking idiots. They should all have their balls cut off and stuffed down their throats. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:04 | 2832345 ArrestBobRubin
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Even worse than being a "globalist" think tank (this is just a PC term for "Jewish"), it is very well known (and documented) that WINEP is wing of AIPAC.

So Caveat Emptor. All WINEP spews is what the Real Terrorists want you to think and know.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:08 | 2832371 petersantilli
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I covered this on my show last night   :   Episode #221 – Zionist Israeli AIPAC Lobbyist Calls For False Flag To Start Iran War

http://petersantilli.com/2012/09/26/episode-221-zionist-israeli-aipac-lo...

*** Go to the 2nd hour

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:08 | 2832373 q99x2
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Maybe the DHS and TSA and police and military and DC politicians aren't preparing to fucking kill us. Maybe they are preparing for a continuity of social emergency functions when the SHTF. And, draconian methods are necessary because of what is expected to happen once they begin taking down the banksters. How does anyone know for sure?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:10 | 2832377 Sandmann
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You mean a USS Liberty situation ?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:15 | 2832406 Sweet Chicken
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For what it's worth I just forwarded this on Facebook. :/

 

Hopefully at least some of my friends and family may open their eyes to this madness. Fuck I am mad.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:52 | 2833538 Darth Mul
Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:08 | 2834120 WhiteHose
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we are all pissed chicke! but they will never open their eyes. or they might when its way too late! they will only believe what theyre force fed by mainstream media. sad!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:56 | 2834598 matrix2012
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@ Sweet Chicken

Watch out! Some Skynet Drone may come over your residence!! You may entitle to be the "combatant enemy" of the US of A.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:18 | 2832421 stant
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iran hell !! i am pissed over ft sumter. we warned you yankes lie.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:32 | 2832495 Winston Churchill
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Neo con think tank.

An oxymoron if I ever heard one.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 14:54 | 2832521 earleflorida
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'a despotic diaspora'ation of a flamed out burning bush where a dozen illusionist chisel their hallucination upon ten black magic sticks, fashion'd upon dueling macabre dichotomous tablets--  coalescing annually into a satanic orgy of jeworexic narcissism... all ye yahwee xenophobic's gilded in fool's gold yarmulke goyskin... 

-oh, the horror of knowing no hell, and the tribulation of its manifestation on earth...'

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:42 | 2832541 Elmer Fudd
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That skinny lil pencil-necked bastard speaking can barely fill a suit, let alone pick up a rifle. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:11 | 2834123 WhiteHose
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bet one would fit nicely in his anal openning tho!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:44 | 2832547 knavechild
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These lunatics are going to think-tank us into annihilation. Someone tackle these psychopaths!

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:22 | 2833116 Darth Mul
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It would take some sort of A-Team of ex SF guys to just start eliminating some of these guys.  I mean the chickenhawk, warmongering neocons, be they Christian Zionist or Jewish Supremacist. 

 

Guys like Perle and Feith and Wurmser and Cohen and Wolfowitz are well fed fucks walking around like they didn't get lots and lots of americans killed and maimed.  And yeah, Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney deserve primary blame, but it was the neocons, mostly Jews, in the Office of Special Plans that cooked up evidence {or took it from the Mossad or their Iraqi pets} to lie us into Iraq, for the sake of Israel, and the PNAC/Neocon plan.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388

 

It just cries out for justice.

 

For punishment.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:45 | 2832556 Drachma
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"Think about the moral relativism and dark-heartedness that is required to embrace this philosophy in the pithy and clinical way Clawson does."

It's called psychopathy.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:50 | 2832578 knavechild
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I say we give this man hell:

Washington Institute

Patrick Clawson

202-452-0650
press@washingtoninstitute.org

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 12:56 | 2832605 Bastiat
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When listing manufactured incidents which triggered American wars, he forgot to include 9/11.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:14 | 2832686 GoodMorningMr.V...
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Give it time. It's still too soon. In another 20 years or so when all the perpetrators of 9/11 are dead, it will be openly and fondly discussed and remembered by the elites as another wildly successful false flag to add to list.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:40 | 2835138 mayavision2012
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I forwarded this piece to a couple of friends who have been on fhe fence about 9/11.  Both are now convinced they have been way too complacent and are finally doing real research.  So, this neo-con idiot has actually done something positive.  Who wodda thought!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:00 | 2832621 gnomon
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No turning back.  It is either them or us.  And if you think otherwise, you are a naive fool.  The Lesser Evil needs to decapitate the Greater Evil before he becomes nuke enabled.  

There are no men in White Hats anymore, only men in grey hats.  One wants to control you, the other wants to kill you.  Take your pick.  

Realize where we are at in this moment of History---bankrupt (morally and otherwise), resource short, and overpopulated.  

So we run the gauntlet until it all breaks down.  Do you want to live for more than a little while longer or do you just want to lie down for the Greater Evil and die? 

And if you think that we are the Greater Evil, then you prove my point on bankruptcy, (moral).  Mad mullahs yearning to embrace the Mahdi by destroying Israel are not sane and are a very GREAT EVIL.

Most of you have hated America long before 9/11, just like Obummer.  You Obummer/Ron Paul/Obummer retreads are ever so predictable.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:40 | 2833190 epwpixieq-1
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No worries.

At some point ( and it will be seen soon enough ), natural systems rebalance themselves for something called long term efficiency (or balanced symbioses with Nature). As of now, US ( and note US is NOT America, at least the last time I check on the geographic maps ) is probably the least efficient country from almost any point of view imaginable. The only reason, it still can sustain this waste of resources is the power of (still) a reserve world currency.

But, back again to my point. All natural systems ( being able to survive for long ) rebalance themselves at some point for long sustainable existence, and for sure, for the US this point is coming (fast).

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 17:02 | 2833574 gnomon
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So a snarky, pedantic comment about the use of "America" instead of "The United States" is the best you can do, (other than wandering off into the bushes to lecture me on sustainability)?

Hell, nothing is sustainable anywhere at this point unless you are looking at some undiscovered jungle tribe in the Amazon.  Hunting and gathering augmented by a little slash and burn agriculture with periodic population die-offs due to various natural calamities, now THAT is sustainable.

We ALL have been living on a bubble for a very long time.  Excess is the nature of Man.  And those excesses might as well be accompanied by a surfeit of Liberty for as long as it can be maintained.  

And I will damn well go down swinging before any Obummer would-be Chavez or Iranian Half-Pint Hitler or  Muslim Brotherhood Morsi  tells me which way to jump.  It ain't gonna happen.  I don't care what the rest of you do, whether you stick it up your nether regions or put it to the wind and sing Kumbaya. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:16 | 2834136 WhiteHose
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so instead of talking the talk, strap on your boots,grab your weapon and helmet and go ! you first!  someone needs to be first in line! id guess not you though.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:03 | 2832636 Blazed
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knavechild,

Someone tried to tackle these ethno-religious criminal psychopaths before by attempting to kick them out. However, by whipping the populations of the US and UK into irrational hysteria with pure lies via their wielding of mass media and financial power, the psychopaths won out. This is the result, remember the saying, history rhymes.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:05 | 2832646 Morrotzo
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You mean a triggered event like the Lavon Affair, U.S.S. Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin?How about Pearl Harbor, History's Original LIHOP, LET IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE propaganda?I cannot see the world going another 5 years without organized military crime in America or Israel trying to false flag us into Iran.

"By Way Of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:13 | 2832682 Its_the_economy...
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All bad, ver bad, i agree. The larger issue is that speakng thus is no longer relegated to dark, smoke-filled rooms. These discussions are now public domain. What doesthat say about where the larger politica lthought is on what constitutes "American" behavior.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:19 | 2832704 dtdsmh
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FYI - Call is in for CVN 65 to ship out to guess where.  That is going to be 4 Carrier Groups you know where.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:20 | 2832705 dtdsmh
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FYI - Call is in for CVN 65 to ship out to guess where.  That is going to be 4 Carrier Groups you know where.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:30 | 2832735 robobbob
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maybe its just me, but any article on what the government will or wouldn't do to get its ways should start or at least end with a scan of operation northwoods.

I know, what an old cliche, but it absolutely identifies the type of people and thinking that goes on behind the curtain. that time they were caught, and that was fifty years ago. has anything gotten better?

for those not familiar, right from the archives at that tin foil consortium George Washington University

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

and to state the obvious, one of the men most responsible for shutting them down and outing them ended up having a really, really bad headache.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:32 | 2832736 Mad Mad Woman
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AKA False Flag Event. War is coming whether we all want it or not. it's the military-industrial complex that is all for never-ending wars.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 13:40 | 2832763 Darth Mul
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Imagine my surprise when I saw that this "think tank" was at least half Jews - and that nearly all of their "experts" on 'Palestinians' are Jews.

 

I mean - are you fucking kidding me with this shit?

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinians/all/all/1969-12-31/2012-09-26/25

 

Do Americans lack the subtlety of intellect to reject genuine anti-Jewish hate, and still hate the anti-Gentile right wing Likudnik chickenshit fucking pussy assholes that are parasites hijacking the apparatus of the Empire for 'Eretz Israel'?

 

Will the press cover this to any extent?

 

If I look into who owns/manages the major newspapers - will I find lots of Arab names like I do when I spent some time on wiki {the bits not wikiwashed by Zionistas} to look into who runs the Fed, fdic, sec, cftc, cbo, cea, and basically every fucking...

 

You know, the overwhelming over-representation of a minority {Likudniks} of a minority {American Jews as a whole} doesn't especially bug me.  Nor does the fact that they are a Zionist 5th column getting away with treason and spying out in the open.

 

What bugs me is shitheads like Jeff goldberg, who served in the IDF, will, with a straight face, call you an antisemite for suggesting that the Likudnik neocons who shuttle between DC and Jerusalem might, just might, be dually loyal treasonous cunts and are not-not treasonous cunts by dint of being Jews.

 

It's over.  I mean it's just over.  All criticism of a 5th column is suppressed and red herringed with claims of a general anti-semitism, and I don't see the rest of the semites struggling against AIPAC et al.

 

Its enough to make one turn from being what  the ADL would call an antisemite to a plain old fashioned actual antisemite.  That group was kicked out of country after country for doing the same shit - acting like a country within a country - but now, a minority of them {I genuinely appreciate it's a minority of Jews who are neocon shitfucks and some like Phil Weiss and Glenn Greenwald valiantly work against them} have a foreign country which, by the way, has a significant and growing minority who are Talmudic Fundamentalists.

 

Crazy racist fucks who aren't called that 'cuz they're Jews... and if you cant criticize Israel [not in California anymore!] you surely can't point out that they have a lot of inbred pasty Khazarian shitfucks who will soon control the nukes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr4C2BPLeM

http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm   {long but really well done....}

 

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 17:53 | 2833093 NuYawkFrankie
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re Imagine my surprise when I saw that this "think tank" was at least half Jews - and that nearly all of their "experts" on 'Palestinians' are Jews.

 

Yes - this isSHOCKING (thank you Captain Renault) revelation;  and I can sympathise that it must have given you quite a nasty jolt, as it did me.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:03 | 2832943 NuYawkFrankie
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What ARE those barely audible whispers that you're straining to hear?

 

That's the sound of hushed orders being given...  as the battle-lines - inside the USA - are drawn.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 14:33 | 2832966 Jake88
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Nobody made a fuss when they pulled off the weapons of mass destruction scam. Too bad that so many Iraqis had to die. Be the first to protest after the next false flag and you may just end up imprisoned under NDAA.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 14:38 | 2832970 Jake88
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Welcome to the EVIL EMPIRE.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 14:39 | 2832985 Treeplanter
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Let's nuke every country that follows the dirtbag Muhammad.  Then ask, "How's that Jihad working out for ya?"

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:53 | 2833263 gnomon
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Their women willingly submit to clitorodectomies and their men violate every journalist/ambassador that they can get their hands on (or their "members" into).  Who holds sway in such societies?  The WOLVES do, not the voices of moderation.  They may say one thing to the side, but they are out for our blood, our flesh, to humiliate us and to throw us into the dustbin of History.

The Christians in the Sixteenth Century and earlier knew what the stakes were.  And the stakes are still the SAME.

I have never been more certain that they view it as a clash of civilizations in which one or the other will prevail.  WE better get on board with that idea or there will be a lot of squealing, confused Obummer/Ron Paul hybrids going down wondering which end is up and what is going where. 

 

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:06 | 2833332 KIPPY KAPPSLOCK
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Yeeeeeeehawwwww.   Two greasy little neocon faggots just entered the fray.  With similar born on dates.  

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 17:44 | 2833750 Treeplanter
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You already have your tongue up the mullah's asshole.  How's that submission stuff workin out for ya?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:09 | 2833353 NuYawkFrankie
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Re I have never been more certain that they view it as a clash of civilizations

 

And I "have never been more certain" that you are a complete raving nincompoop.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:16 | 2833383 gnomon
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And the light of History will incinerate your line of reasoning, (if you can call it that).

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:50 | 2833523 Darth Mul
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Please to share with your fellow hasbara trolls:

NEW GENETIC RESEARCH CONFIRMS KOESTLER'S "KHAZAR" THEORY

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/GeneticResearchConfirmsKhazarTheory.html

 

here's the paper

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

 

Now go fuck yourself.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:19 | 2833107 Zwelgje
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No shame.

 

But this is just desperate.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:44 | 2833211 Darth Mul
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http://rense.com/general92/dsid.htm

 

They key to this whole thing - all of it - is the control of fiat currency created with interest attached to it and controlled by bankers. 

 

Even oil and the petrodollar and the 'military industrial complex' are second to it.

 

The horrible, awful thing is that, for example, the average Palestinian Arab and the average Jewish Israeli have far more in common, far more shared interests, than they do with the sick and evil fucks manipulating the board.

 

I am hoping against hope that there are some pro-peace, pro-American folks in our government, military and intelligence services and know what's going on and can stop it relatively peacefully.

 

I'd also be looking for radiation signatures at Israeli owned or controlled sites in the US.  I would not put nuclear blackmail past them - they have a sick and twisted ethos which regards non-Jewish life as worthless compared to their own.

 

Not all - but the Likudniks and Orthodox/Haredim/Settlers.

 

And their own racism, which leads to one being called a racist if you point it out {Orwell would love that shit}, are going to get a lot of Americans killed unless we can destroy the parasite.

 

http://rense.com/general92/dsid.htm

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:49 | 2833235 papaya
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Wouldn't it be something if they threw a war, and nobody showed up?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 15:58 | 2833282 chebetts
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"I'm not advocating that.....I'm just suggesting...." priceless.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:17 | 2833376 dadichris
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They may be on to something because only a war can "save" the US economy at this point.

Plus, if Bernanke knows that war is certain it would explain why he's gone "all in".

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:36 | 2833462 Blazed
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Darth Mul,

Indeed, that ethno-religious tribe of criminal bankster parasites love to hijack and create terminology like "racist" and "anti-semite", turning it loose on everyone else. Yet if you simply observe their actions, they are the true "anti-semites", attacking(or enticing others to attack) the native semitic people of the region. This goes without even mentioning their attitudes toward or actions against other goyim cultures, crying foul and critiquing everyone else into submission, while simultaneously undermining cultures and nations, stabbing them in the back. No wonder they have been kicked out of over 100 nations.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:47 | 2833513 Darth Mul
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it's a tough line to walk in a sense.  I mean I have no doubt that abe Foxman would call me an antisemite, but I think he's a disgusting racist pig and know I don't dislike someone, a priori, based on what ancestors they have or think they had.  I think you can distinguish between simple Zionism {support Israel's right to exist in say '67 borders notwithstanding very valid arguments about the illegitimacy of its founding - we're here now...} and essentially Likudnik Zionism which goes hand in hand with Talmudic Fundamentalism.

This is my understanding anyway.

 

Basically, Perle Feith and Wolfowitz are ethnocentric likudnik 5th columnists who should have been tried for treason.  It is painfully obvious most of the 'neocons' were Jews, and anyone who cries 'antisemite' at the free and fair discussion of facts relevant to us foreign policy and whose influencing it {disproportionately} can go right ahead and fuck themselves.

 

Jews were kicked out of countries - sometimes twice - because of usury and tribalism... but the thing to bear in mind is they all got blamed for what a few jerkoffs did.  That sort of group punishment is why it is, I fully admit, important to reject the mouth-breathers who equate Likudnik-Zionism [bad] with "Jews"  [like any group contrains good and bad]

 

Anyway, in other news, the 13th tribe was basically right and the Euro Jews are Khazars.

 

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/GeneticResearchConfirmsKhazarTheory.html

 

Funny how it doesn't make the headlines, eh?  I guess science is antisemitic...

 

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:39 | 2833476 Darth Mul
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What's awesome is that the Rebbe in question, a certain shitbag racist cunt named Schnerson, held non-Jews as very low indeed.

 

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jracism/quotes-jew-fund.htm

 

prolly not the 'best' site, but its sort of fitting to just googlegrab the first muslim site I saw.

 

Anyway - he says all sorts of racist, I mean, not 'out of context' - just fucking racist, bizarre crazy shit... and when he dies there's an outpouring of grief from congress and the president.

 

David Duke can say eminently reasonable shit {for example} and immediately, it's gonna be disclaimed, however reasonable, as the rantings of a 'racist'.  This pasty wrinkled fuck could preach Jewish supremacy and ethnocentrism - and if you called him a racist you'd be called an antisemite.

 

anyway, I'm sure he's in hell boiling in Christ's semen now.  Maybe he can still see when Chabad lights their giant 'we own you all' menorah across from the White House as we get a nice, sanitized pagan symbol called a 'christmas tree'.

 

Man, I hope someone hooks that menorah to their 4x4 and drags it through the streets, and has on them a list of schneerson's quotes when he gets shot by the cops 787 times.

 

p.s. The Talmud is really, really fucked up.  So it most of the Koran.  I don't get why we can't admit that and note that most reasonable people basically claim to believe their god wrote it but choose to "ignore" the more outlandish parts.

 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

 

Of course, no offense to any Jewish peeps who read this - genuinely have zero problem with anyone because of their ethnic or tribal background - its the believing in crazy racist bullshit then calling me a crazy racist for calling it out as such that I can't respect.

 

And here's a 'how to respond' to people like me who say, while most people ignore the crappy hateful parts, fundamentalists by definition don't, and the Talmud is full of hate:  http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/538,2462901/How-should-I-respond-to-claims-of-the-Talmud-being-racist.html

 

enjoy!

 

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:56 | 2833553 jplotinus
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Is it hubris, indifference or is it ignorance? Hard to tell. However, open acknowledgement of false flag operations, of pretextual war and of intent to engage in aggression on false pretenses are all war crimes.

I'm thinking it's all the possibilities I listed.

Public display of the intention to commit war crimes is a very sad commentary on the American psyche. At a minimum, a public rebuke is essential. Surely the data collection apparatus used by tptb have highlighted that 1min37sec video and passed it on to someone with some responsibility to abide in lawful action.

Surely... :-/

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 17:31 | 2833697 fukidontknow
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Sweet, let's parachute you into Tehran today and you can start your covert actions right away you evil little ginger!!!

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 17:40 | 2833737 blindman
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an imbecile on parade, it has been done
before. ask carl rove

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:13 | 2833784 Blazed
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Darth,

"Jews were kicked out of countries - sometimes twice - because of usury and tribalism... but the thing to bear in mind is they all got blamed for what a few jerkoffs did.  That sort of group punishment is why it is, I fully admit, important to reject the mouth-breathers who equate Likudnik-Zionism [bad] with "Jews"  [like any group contrains good and bad]"

Yet almost none of them are willing to reciprocate on the group punishment concept. Only around 5% of whites in North America owned slaves and the nation was eventually wrecked out in a war involving that issue and states' rights, yet they continue to push group punishment and guilt in that regard, ignoring the large percentage of jewish slave traders, their ships, captains, and profiteers throughout history. European nations were some of the first to make universal laws against slavery, yet you never hear that trumpeted. How about that contemporary white sex slave trade that is centered largely in Israel, don't even mention that or their organ trafficking rings centered there and elsewhere. They sure like to push eternal group punishment and the never ending milking of ALL Germans for the 300K(ICRC) or so jews that died of typhus, illness, or starvation after being rounded up in work camps on route to being shipped out before the war broke out. Nope, you will never hear the end of their incessant whining and critiquing of others. I don't buy the "few bad apples", they work largely as a whole for group ethnic interests, yet no one else is allowed to do the same, even in their own countries, in fact it is always divide and conquer, false dichotomies and duopolies.

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-...

Since you like Rense.

http://rense.com/general69/factua.htm

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:52 | 2834399 Precious
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What a few did?  Give me a fucking break.  

What a few did for their bed fellows you mean?  It's not a pyramid. It's a fucking circle. 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:42 | 2833901 mayavision2012
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This has got to go viral if it hasn't already.   We need massive public pressure to take this neo-intellectual, void-of-humanity imbecile down off that pedestal and into a criminal investigation along with his handlers - and we know who they are.

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:04 | 2834105 fukidontknow
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Wait for Tonkin??? That's not what happened!!!

 

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:08 | 2834116 Shigure
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Crisis initiation?! Clawson wants to initiate a crisis? Bad, mad and dangerous. It's not his life on the line. Would be interesting to see if he scores 30/30 in the psychopath test.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 20:19 | 2834142 tony bonn
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this type of thinking has been part and parcel of the joint chiefs of staff since operation northwoods was signed by general lyman lemnitzer in 1962...it was a plan which disgusted kennedy to no end but the trogladytes of the jcs, cia, and mic in general were all gaga over it as a means of taking back cuba and starting a nuclear war with the ussr.....

these cretins are sponsored by the plutocrats of wall street with ring leaders of the rockefeller axis of evil dispatching the bush crime syndicate to carry out all of the details....

these "people" are pure shit - evil is too nice of a word for them....

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:17 | 2834187 spooz
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In addition to lives that would be lost, another war would increase our deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.  The total cost of war since 2001 is almost 1.4 trillion dollars. The military industrial complex is demanding their payback as  campaign sponsors.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:41 | 2834552 matrix2012
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THE BRIEF BIO OF RICHARD PERLE

Washington Institute for Near East Policy - Project for the New American Century (PNAC) 

Here are some very impressive track records of this devilish guy of the Synagogue of Satan!

 

1970: While working for Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson, Ashkenazi Jew, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.

1978: Ashkenazi Jew, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a Washington D.C. hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials.

Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.

2004: Two years into an investigation of AIPAC’s (The American Israel Public Affairs Committee – the largest political lobbying group in the USA with over 65,000 members whose only purpose is to use the USA for the purposes of Israel) possible role as a spy front for Israel, Ashkenazi Jew, Larry Franklin, a mid-level Pentagon Analyst is observed by the FBI giving classified information to two officials of AIPAC suspected of being Israeli spies.

AIPAC hires lawyer Nathan Lewin to handle their legal defense, the same lawyer who defended suspected Israeli spy Stephen Bryen in 1978. Larry Franklin worked in the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, run by Richard Perle, at the time Perle (who was caught giving classified information to Israel back in 1970) was insisting that Iraq was crawling with weapons of mass destruction requiring the United States to invade and conquer Iraq.

There were no WMDs, of course, and Perle has dumped the blame for the, "bad intelligence," on George Tenet. But what is known is that the Pentagon Office of Special Plans was coordinating with a similar group in Israel, in Ariel Sharon’s office.

http://bit.ly/MhkwoV

 

In one giant chart of Bilderberg ( check this superb chart here: http://bit.ly/L1pTZZ ), Richard Perle is regarded as the "Prince of Darkness" with links to the following institutions:

 

-PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC)

-HUDSON INSTITUTE

-US Defense Department

-Institute Policy Board

-Henry Jackson Society

-Foundation for the Defense of Democracies

-Committee on the Present Danger

-Center for Security Policy

-American Enterprise Institute (AEI)

-American Center for Democracy

-The Jerusalem Post

-Autonomy Corporation

-Congressional Staff

-Washington Institute for Near East Policy

-US Committee on NATO

-United States Committee for a Free Lebanon

-Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs

 

More here: http://bit.ly/KHpJGw

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:36 | 2834581 matrix2012
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If one wanna know more in-depth stories about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), following sites and names are arguably the best sources:

 

GlobalResearch.ca - Centre for Research on Globalization

http://www.globalresearch.ca/

* in particular those works of Prof Michel Chossudovsky

 

Geopolitics - Geoeconomics - F William Engdahl

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/

 

Land Destroyer - Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:39 | 2834741 Radical Marijuana
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The majority of Americans would never watch this, and not understand it if they did, despite it explicitly mentioning how the American civil war was actually started. Anyone who studies history knows that all of the other events mentioned in this video were either extremely probable, or undeniably proven to be false flag attacks. While most Americans will be watching the football game, or some other such entertainment, other actors are setting them up to start, or participate in, a world war, that seriously risks going out of control!!! It is so tragic that the runaway triumph of huge lies, backed up by violence, has led to the majority of Americans acting like brain dead sheep being fleeced, and being set up to be slaughtered. The next puppet show elections practically provide only a "choice" between a proven war criminal President, or someone who would probably become an even worse war criminal. We ARE looking at a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, that is going to turn most of us into road kill ... However, I can not think of anything that is realistically possible to stop that. We could not stop somebody from arranging another false flag attack, and we could not stop the mass media from misinforming people about what that meant. Therefore, the tragic conclusion is that we are headed towards another insane war, based on deceits. I agree with historians that say that the American Civil War was the first modern war. I believe that the war against Iran shall be the first postmodern war. Of course, that means that everybody who talks about that is automatically saying something that is already obsolete before they have finished saying it.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:24 | 2834767 The Pop In
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When I see that Patrick Clawson and his family are willing to straddle the first few bunker busters dropped on Iran, like Major T. J. "King" Kong in Dr. Strange Love, I will then know that this patriot has the courage of his convictions.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 18:35 | 2840332 One World Mafia
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