Guest Post: What Happened To Virtue?

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

In the midst of the Great Depression, Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon famously advised President Hoover to “liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate” instead of propping each industry up with tax dollars.  This liquidation doctrine would “purge the rottenness out of the system” and make certain that “people will work harder” and “live a more moral life.”  Contrary to popular belief, Hoover did not take Mellon’s advice and went forth with his own version of the New Deal that gave relief to farmers and supported wage rates in certain industries.  These efforts, which were exacerbated under the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt, effectively prevented the market from clearing.  The boom of the late 1920s that was driven by the Federal Reserve’s monetary inflation was not allowed to bust.  Instead of liquidating the debt and allowing the economy to reach a sound footing, both the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations attempted to manage it back to health.  The result was the longest period of unemployment ever recorded in American history.

Today, Mellon’s advice is still spurned by most of the economic profession.  The media establishment, not to be outdone, is also on the side of intervention.  Government is looked to as a savior while markets are seen as inadequate in providing for a satisfactory standard of living.  With their incessant need to fix what isn’t broke, the political class is praised for their courage to take the reins of society and direct it toward a meaningful and just way of life.  Liberty is seen as barbaric in comparison to state-sanctioned redistribution.  Fighters of war are looked to as glorious warriors who make a great sacrifice to their countrymen.  Public office itself is seen as an occupation of the righteous who give up the opportunity for profit.  Most notably, spending is regarded as the necessary elixir of economic growth.

The old fashioned ideas of hard work and self-reliance are made out to be anachronistic.  It is no longer a virtue to succeed.  What is now honorable is men with guns and badges taking from some and giving to others.

In this context, it must be asked where did the ideas of virtue originally come from and what role do they play in humanity.

Virtue is typically defined as an attribute that is regarded as good in a moral sense.  Donating one’s income to the less fortunate is normally seen as a virtue.  A propensity to steal is usually looked upon as a ruinous vice rather than a worthy trait.

In the modern era, it would seem as if classic virtues (basic ideas of right and wrong) have lost their appeal.  In their place has been a concentrated effort to promote those actions once thought of as deserving of moral condemnation.  To this writer, such a course of action is socially destructive will end up severing the cooperative ties that mankind has established within itself.  Market economies are based on the ideals of self-ownership and mutual effort.  It is only through reciprocity that material progress can be made to lighten the burden on human existence.   State interference creates distortions in favor of one party over another.

St. Thomas Aquinas famously defined the cardinal virtues of human life as being prudence, temperance, justice, and fortitude.  These virtues are revealed in nature and make up the foundations of natural law.  To Aquinas, humanity naturally strives to achieve ends through the use of reason.  Because of innate imperfection, these qualities aren’t always adhered to but are necessary for facilitating a rising standard of living.  Without temperance, the present is indulged to rather than the future.  In the absence of justice the incentive to carry forward with life is handicapped through uncertainty over whether collaboration with others will be successful.  And without fortitude to face certain obstacles, lofty goals will not be pursued.  The guiding force for all actions is prudence which enables men the capacity to decide whether an action will result in ends being achieved.  These virtues, it is held, stem from nature and are discoverable through reason alone; a spiritual authority is not needed for their confirmation.

Logically and practically, it is obvious that persistent rashness and thoughtlessness are not sustainable lifestyles in a world defined by scarcity.  To achieve that which is desired, man must act in way to best ensure his demand can be met.  Behaving discreetly and with respect toward others is often the best avenue for achieving happiness in the long run.  Government, with its slew of welfare benefits, attempts to supersede this truth by creating dependency.  In return for votes, politicians and bureaucrats instill a sense of infantilism while posing as givers of charity.  Combined with economic regulation which aids politically-favored firms and stifles the free action of entrepreneurs, the state creates conflict amongst society since it operates solely on funds plundered from the greater public.  As a monopoly of force, the state becomes a target for all those attempting to circumvent the laws of nature.

With central banking the concept of saving more than you consume is dismissed as a relic of the past and the era where planners didn’t have the economy in their firm grasp.  Through Keynesian economic policies, short time preferences are rewarded while looking toward the future is punished.  Retirees living on fixed income struggle to make ends meet in favor of debt accrual.  The state invariably uses easy access to the printing press to fund its activities.  Resources that could be used for productive efforts are siphoned off in favor of political interests.  More egregious is that fact that central banking itself is a client of the banking system and guarantees an unlimited supply of dollars should bad investment decisions come to fruition.  The rest of the public must pay with using depreciated currency.  Because of the allowance of fractional reserve banking, credit is created out of thin air.  In other words, titles of property are effectively created to a good which doesn’t necessary exist.  Modern banking isn’t just a cartel that operates at the expense of everyone else; it enjoys a government privilege that would otherwise not exist under a free market.  Yet many commentators have nothing but praise for central banking and its ability to manage the business cycle.

In the same vein, the conduct of war is applauded even as it extinguishes precious life from the planet.  President Obama personally makes the call for the extrajudicial killing of people without any evidence of their wrongdoing.  Women, children, and other innocents often meet the same fate just by being in the vicinity of a drone strike.  In a new study from the Stanford Law School and New York University’s School of Law, it was revealed that the number of “high-level targets killed as a percentage of total causalities” from the drone program is only 2%.  The study also accuses the administration of downplaying the number of civilians killed by strikes.

It’s unfathomable how someone could even begin to ponder over supporting a man who places the order for indiscriminate bombings that often result in the death of innocent bystanders.  But Obama still remains fairly popular to the American electorate.  He is seen as tough on terror while ordering for the assassination of targets in complete secrecy and from the comfort of another continent.  His policies are painted as being admirable when they are cowardly.  In the name of ensuring peace he creates chaos.  The media stands all too ready to lap it up and parrot the message.  These callous murders should bring despair to anyone who values their own life but seldom does.  Death has unfortunately become all too routine.

In his personal memoirs, the great anti-state thinker Albert Jay Nock once opined

All I ever asked of life was the freedom to think and say exactly what I pleased, when I pleased, and as I pleased.

I agree whole heartedly with Nock’s sentiment.  Not only do I seek the freedom to speak without the overarching menace of a faceless big brother but to do as I please as long as I bring no harm to others.  The “live and let live” existence is the only type that falls closest in line with the natural virtues laid out by Aquinas centuries ago.  Refraining from violence is not just an ethical choice, it allows for the productive capacity of men to blossom.  And without hard work and the putting off of immediate gratification, less becomes available for the future.

In the age of state welfare pandering, corporate subsidization, and Orwellian monitoring, a longing for true liberty remains totally unconventional.  To many, it is downright radical to take charge of one’s life and wish only to be left in peace.  How we have reached this point is demonstrative of how pervasive the state has become.

There isn’t a shred of decency in how governments or central banks operate.  Their functions run antithetical to the basic virtues of mankind.  If we as a species are to use our reason and free will to better our live, the institutionalized violence the state embodies must be rejected.

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Ahmeexnal's picture

TPTB want sheeple without historic memory.

Skateboarder's picture

A perpetual slave subspecies that only knows how to eat, sleep, shit, and work, but is incapable of overcoming the unnatural suppresion it is subject to. They're trying to fucking devolve us!

Anusocracy's picture

The main problem is that humans are monkeys that think they are human. Not anything to be proud of, especially our Monkey Warfare.

Humans and Monkeys share Machiavellian Intelligence

When it comes to their social behavior, people sometimes act like monkeys, or more specifically, like rhesus macaques, a type of monkey that shares with humans strong tendencies for nepotism and political maneuvering, according to research by Dario Maestripieri, an expert on primate behavior and an Associate Professor in Comparative Human Development and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Chicago.

“After humans, rhesus macaques are one of the most successful primate species on our planet; our Machiavellian intelligence may be one of the reasons for our success” wrote Maestripieri in his new book Macachiavellian Intelligence: How Rhesus Macaques and Humans Have Conquered the World.

Maestripieri has been studying monkeys for more than 20 years and has written extensively on their behavior. He has studied them in Europe, at a research center in Atlanta, and on an island in Puerto Rico, where researchers established a rhesus macaque colony for scientific and breeding purposes.

Rhesus macaques live in complex societies with strong dominance hierarchies and long-lasting social bonds between female relatives. Individuals constantly compete for high social status and the power that comes with it using ruthless aggression, nepotism, and complex political alliances. Sex, too, can be used for political purposes. The tactics used by monkeys to increase or maintain their power are not much different from those Machiavelli suggested political leaders use during the Renaissance.

Alpha males, who rule the 50 or so macaques in the troop, use threats and violence to hold on to the safest sleeping places, the best food, and access to the females in the group with whom they want to have sex. Like human dictators intent on holding power, dominant monkeys use frequent and unpredictable aggression as an effective form of intimidation. Less powerful members of the rhesus macaque group are marginalized and forced to live on the edges of the group’s area, where they are vulnerable to predator attacks. They must wait for the others to eat first and then have the leftovers; they have sex only when the dominant monkeys are not looking.

“In rhesus society, dominants always travel in business class and subordinates in economy, and if the flight is overbooked, it’s the subordinates who get bumped off the plane,” Maestripieri said. “Social status can make the difference between life and death in human societies too,” he pointed out. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, for instance, the poorer members of the community accounted for most of the hurricane’s death toll.

Male macaques form alliances with more powerful individuals, and take part in scapegoating on the lower end of the hierarchy, a Machiavellian strategy that a mid-ranking monkey can use when under attack from a higher-ranking one. Altruism is rare and, in most cases, only a form of nepotistic behavior. Mothers help their daughters achieve a status similar to their own and to maintain it throughout their lives. Females act in Machiavellian ways also when it comes to reproduction. They make sure they have lots of sex with the alpha male to increase the chances he will protect their newborn infant from other monkeys 6 months later.

“But while they have lots of sex with the alpha male and make him think he’s going to be the father of their baby, the females also have sex with all the other males in the group behind the alpha male’s back,” Maestripieri said. They do so just in case the alpha male is sterile or he dies or loses his power before the baby is born.

Struggles for power within a group sometimes culminate in a revolution, in which all members of the most dominant family are suddenly attacked by entire families of subordinates. These revolutions result in drastic changes in the structure of power within rhesus societies, not unlike those occurring following human revolutions. There is one situation, however, in which all of the well-established social structure evaporates: when a group of rhesus macaques confronts another one and monkey warfare begins. Rhesus macaques dislike strangers and will viciously attack their own image in a mirror, thinking it’s a stranger threatening them. When warfare begins, “Even a low-ranking rhesus loner becomes an instant patriot. Every drop of xenophobia in rhesus blood is transformed into fuel for battle,” Maestripieri wrote.

“What rhesus macaques and humans may have in common is that many of their psychological and behavioral dispositions have been shaped by intense competition between individuals and groups during the evolutionary history of these species” Maestripieri said. Rhesus groups can function like armies, and this may explain why these monkeys have been so successful in the competition with other primates.

Ahmeexnal's picture

Humans are far worse than Rhesus. At least Rhesus (and the rest of the animal kingdom) value what is REALLY important.

Humans...they'll sell their sons and grandsons (and yours too) for a phone:

Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone
Goatboy's picture


What you talk about is culture.. and chaos and incredible antagonisms within it.

AldousHuxley's picture

virtue is for small population societies in harsh climates where people depend on one another.


today's world is overpopulated and competition is fierce despite technological productivity improvements.


also, you can't eat virtue.



economics9698's picture

Watch a 1930's, 50's, 70, 90's 2010's movies or TV programs.  That’s all you need to know and who controls those mediums.  Funny how when you own the printing press your guys win all the time and you get to destroy nations.  Paybacks a bitch.

The Alarmist's picture

If we were all self-reliant, rational actors, we wouldn't need our protector-class political elite, so what would they do in such a world order? 

GetZeeGold's picture



What Happened To Virtue?


Turns out it was worth we sold it.


Goatboy's picture

Much better than this shitty, whining Miser article. I like that :)

Its worth mentioning that most of our behavior is shaped by environment. Even domestic dogs who are well treated and fed become nice and incredibly playful unlike stray or wild dogs. All humans who suffer become shaped by that suffering, frequently for the worse, for themselves and for their community.

To be clear, I support Miser articles for their anti-warmongering attitude.. but find their economic and social shortsightedness disturbing. 

BigJim's picture

 To be clear, I support Miser articles for their anti-warmongering attitude.. but find their economic and social shortsightedness disturbing. 

LOL, I suppose you think government spending leading to a debt-to-GDP ratio of 120% (and rising) isn't 'shortsighted'.

KK Tipton's picture

Umm...that's exactly backwards.

"“What rhesus macaques and SUB-humans may have in common is that many of their psychological and behavioral dispositions have been shaped by intense competition between individuals and groups during the evolutionary history of these species”

The "supposed" humans are *acting* like the lesser species.

Don't believe me?
Why do they wear Monkey Suits then?  Memes don't lie.

Kick these base instinct fuckers out of power. Bitchez.

AnAnonymous's picture

“After humans, rhesus macaques are one of the most successful primate species on our planet; our Machiavellian intelligence may be one of the reasons for our success” wrote Maestripieri in his new book Macachiavellian Intelligence: How Rhesus Macaques and Humans Have Conquered the World.


Nice frameworking, american style.

The title reads and the comment reads.

Many plant species 'conquered' the world. And indeed, they also display that macchiavellian intelligence or bits of it as described by this 'american' scientist.

Any that goes when it comes to make money and 'americans' are involved.

akak's picture

Nice blameworking, Chinese Citizenism style.

The comment reads like roadside shit.

Many inferior species 'conquered' the world. And indeed, they also display that basic level of intelligence that impels them not to shit in their own nests.  All but Chinese Citizenism citizens.

Any that goes when it comes to taking a dump and Chinese Citizenism citizens are involved.

californiagirl's picture

In the U.S., most people have been effectively indoctrinated by the Cloward-and-Pivenites that have effectively taken over the education system.

ACP's picture

What happened to virtue? Simple. Virtue = one term. That's it. Plain & simple.

No one with the ability to make it to "President" is so concerned about the US that they would dare to do the right thing and sacrifice EVERYTHING in order for 4 short years to do the RIGHT THING.

Virtue is no longer a virtue.

Harbanger's picture

Virtue (Latin: virtus, Ancient Greek: ????? "arete") is moral excellence. A virtue is a positive trait or quality deemed to be morally good and thus is valued as a foundation of principle and good moral being. Personal virtues are characteristics valued as promoting collective and individual greatness. The opposite of virtue is vice.

zhandax's picture

A one-term limit is only the first step.  The most important parts are to divorce money from politics, and drive a stake through the heart of the lobbying industry.  I personally prefer public hanging for the lobbyist problem, but what do you guys think?

Dr. Sandi's picture

Do we start by hanging the lobbyists or the congresslime they operate?

BigJim's picture

 The most important parts are to divorce money from politics...

You'll only divorce money from politics if you separate politics and economics. Virtually every government on the planet is nose-deep in interfering with their countries' economies, and their electorates are too blinded by interventionist brainwashing to even consider voting for politicians who suggest allowing markets to get on with doing their own thing.

Acet's picture

I'm afraid Virtue has been replaced by a far more important characteristic: Having Good Hair

Especially in Politics but not only, in today's society it's all about appearances: the "book cover" is treated as far more important than the contents.

Hence celebrity culture, photogenic politicians and loud, self-promoting people being celebrated above and beyond those that actually produce results (for example: studies have shown that companies managed by quiet CEO types in average have better results than those managed by loud, self-promoting ones). Also note how in some societies, bookworm, thoughtfull types are shunned and brashful sports types are celebrated (which goes a long way to explain why most scientists in the US are actually foreigners).

dolce vita's picture

"its unfathomable"


indeed it is when common sense is not in your venacular or reason...

jekyll island's picture

Mellon was part of the inner circle that constituted the ruling elite of the US.  Along with Rockefeller, Morgan, Warburg they somehow pulled their money out of the stock market before it crashed and then bought high quality equities at a fraction of their real value.  They fleeced the sheeple who did not have inside information like they did and were devastated by the stock market crash.  His advice to Hoover although correct, was self serving in that he would benefit personally from that course of action.  Here we are 100 years later, things haven't changed much, have they?  

Withdrawn Sanction's picture

Mellon...somehow pulled their money out of the stock market before it crashed and then bought high quality equities at a fraction of their real value.

Citation, please?   At his income tax evasion trial (orchestrated behind the scenes by FDR and for which Mellon was eventually acquitted) it came out that his fortune diminished considerably in the 1930s precisely b/c he did NOT sell his holding as others like Joe Kennedy, Warburg, etc. are alleged to have done.

As for being part of a "shadow" govt, that's a good one.  He was Treasury Secretary from the early 1920s until the early 1930s.  He was PART of the government not its shadow.

It is true, however, that he would have benefitted from his call to liquidate labor, fams, etc.  But the point is, so would have everyone else.  Had we pursued a liquidationist policy instead of intervention, the Great Depression would have been more of the length of the post-war 1920/21 depression.  Sharp, painful, but quick.  A lesson we have "somehow" failed to grasp even today.

jekyll island's picture

The Creature from Jekyll Island, pp495-497

ReactionToClosedMinds's picture


Read on ..... never rely on one text or author .... everyone has an agenda & narrative ... a story to tell ... including your seeming worship in all things for an otherwise relevant book "Creature from Jekyll Island".

Try reading David Cannadine's excellent biography of Mellon ....which dispels many many false narratives about Mellon put in circulation by FDR et al.  And note, Cannadine is no kool-aid drinker of all things Mellon, as he prefaces the book with the admission that he, the biographer, would have likely been a New Dealer and natural 'despiser' of Mellon according to the New Deal propaganda ..... until he did his thorough research. 

Mellon was not a likeable person (as his unfortunate relationship with his wife &  children attests), but he was precocious.   Now forgotten, Mellon and Lord Montagu almost singelhandedly saved the West fom post -WW1 folly by extending out the German war reparation payments consistent with some form of natural GDP growth one could expect of a devastated post-W1! Germany.  Mellon also almost singehandedly dealt with the fiscal fiasco of post-WW1 inflation in the USA under the arguably disastrous Wilson Administration.  Mellon wanted a simple reformed tax code where the middle class on up (with some progressivity but balanced/connected/tied to econ growth) everyone paid with minimal deductions.  Mellon was ardently against the muni bond exemption which he though idle wealth used to protect their fortunes on a semi-political corrupt bond financing scheme/market that benefited the elite, wealthy families and 'political decision-makers' versus the rest of the populace.

Mellon had many faults (see his personal life --- almost a tragedy), but he was clear headed about finance, risk etc.  He thought prohibition was asking too much of human nature.  Last. while he started out as Treasury Secretary under Hoover, Hoover disliked Mellon and felt overshadowed by him so politically 'iced' Mellon.  Effectively Mellon had no role in the Hoover Administration and stayed on in part because of his developing desire to build a great national art gallery for the USA in Washington DC to rival that of Brittian, France, Russia, etc.




ReactionToClosedMinds's picture

sorry ... forgot to mention ..... Cannadine revelaed that privately Mellon was no fan of the Federal Reserve.  Mellon thought that it was a 'grand construct' that had the appearance of monetary merit ... but cynically, as an outsider to New York (so many Mellon haters/critics forget this or lose sight of it) Mellon as an outsider from lowly Pittsburgh who made good on (almost) pure merit versus crony capitalism.  In other words, Mellon viewed (in my estimation correctly) that the Federal Reserve was nothing more than an extension of the 'New York' banking cartel into the national economy.  There was more 'populism' to Mellom than the 'populists' ever saw or perceived .. because Mellon was constantly having to overcome the checkmates NY financiers put on him.  You doubt?    Only one of Mellon's companies (maybe two at most I cannot recall) ever went 'public'.   Private equity today could learn alot about how Mellon made the most of being a privately financed firm.


Always be careful of the initial storyline any of us are presented.  Before you 'believe' the content ... ask whosourced it and what their agenda was ... then go back for the 'information' content.  An old successful public relations person taught me that valuable nugget

Slim's picture

Timeline on this is wrong. They very much embraced Mellon's stance at first. His tenure as Sec of Treasury ended in 1932. New Deal #1 was 1933 along with revaluation on the gold standard. 1929-1933 saw major unemployment and an accelerating deflationary spiral (think real deflation with real big prints getting bigger every year and compounding mercilessly). This was the reason for going fast/hard in the opposite direction and why Bernanke is doing what he's doing today.

Now let me say that ultimately I don't know which is better. I'm not convinced we really got out of the Depression until WWII obliterated half the world. Not sure if will be better this time but honestly 2009-2012 seems tremendously better than 1929-1932. Is it sustainable? Will the global economy "muddle through" in a few more years? How long can central planning (which can be blamed for much of this) hold it together with duct tape? No idea. Merely the original article has the timeline and actions very wrong and is utilizing this distortion to support its theory. Theory may be correct but historical support via real timeline and policy is incorrect.

ReactionToClosedMinds's picture

Hoover kept Mellon on for pure political optics .... Hoover felt plitically overshadowed by Mellon.  Mellon was effectively 'iced' under Hoover, had zero policy role nor sought one really (he had been Treasury Secretary for 3 terms already and was clearly worn out)  and only stayed on to initiate the USA National Gallery of Art.  Mellon was secretive to a fault ...even when he was doing 'good deeds' ...his own worst enemy.

Ironically, you seem to be falling into the same trap you are emphatically arguing about ... timeline ...... yes .... but you are espousing the FDR/New Deal propaganda line hook, line and sinker about Mellon , his policies, etc.

Slim's picture

I don't think I mentioned anything about New Deal other than timeline and events up until 1933 when it started along with revaluation.  Pretty unequivocal deflation ahead of that although we can debate cause and what Bernanke specifically is doing.  I don't really have any interest in such debate but despite the merits of the story the timeline is incorrect. 

To add some have said Congress and US government was on verge of litigating Mellon for his role in the Great Depression and that the National Gallery and subsequent exit was a payoff.  Something to ponder.

ReactionToClosedMinds's picture

pure insinuation, sir, on your part.   No payoff>>>>> FDR, & more his team/coalition hated everything Mellon represented of the old GOP order post Civl War (and guess what ... i can understand where they came from to some extent .... Mellon or more relevantly the 'Mellon Family interests' were not angels ..).  The FDR coalition hated Mellon like hates General Betrayus

you have no proof other than the obviously ginned up political tax trial of Mellon which was even then considred a travesty of justice.  If you dared to read Cannadine ... you will see the true fault lines of Mellon ... which hilarioulsy you miss in your lefty populist 'insinuations".

Go read then come back to debate ...otherwise go back to MediaMatters where I bet you came from ...

Slim's picture

Really here, you are reading way too much into this and what my thoughts are.  I largely don't care and you certainly seem to have read quite a bit on this that I haven't.  That doesn't necessarily make you right as who is to say your sources are better/worse although obviously you do feel very strongly about them so I'm willing to at least listen (I have a pretty good personal source so mine is beyond book but hell I'm open minded).  And I'm going to do you the honor of ignoring the classless comments/name calling/accusatory crap which may be a stretch but we'll see how it goes.

Anyway - there seems a very obvious policy change post 1929-1932 versus beyond.  I am interested in how you account for that?  Spiraling debt deflation to effective default on the gold standard and all kinds of fiscal programs down the road to generate more money and specific goal of inflation.  Who was the driver early on if not Mellon?  If the driver and direction was constant from 1929 and beyond what caused a vastly different policy or if not different why does it appear different in both policy and effect on economy (not overwhelmingly postive but not death spiral after '32)?

I'm interested.  The Mellon thing makes a lot of sense and squares very well historically by most accounts and but if it is completely wrong with no credit possible there must be another theory that fits as well or better.

Slim's picture


So let's just wrap up that we can leave it that either Mellon or some other precisely contemporaneous force/person/spirit etc...had a direct change of policy right at 1932-1933.  Spiraling deflation to major monetary/fiscal expansion to try to hold the line (which is about as good as it got before WWII).  Not a stretch to assume that the about face was as a result of lack of progress and rapidly deteriorating conditions. 

The policy change and impacts on verifiable data cannot really be debated although we can assume whatever source you want.  At the end of the day argument still stands that there is a timeline issue and the author is incorrect here in that only one policy was applied the entire time.  Whether we ultimately would have been better off staying the more conservative route is another discussion.

Might give the Cannadine biography a read at some point despite the overly aggressive and immature posting. In the past it's been associated with someone who has a whole lot of free time and is likely to reside in mom's basement.  Hopefully that's not the case here so I'm open to other ideas but without reading it I'd venture my source is as good and likely significantly better than whatever he may have referenced on the matter of the art (preemptive measure on the family's part).

The Shootist's picture

Obama can't build that.

Yen Cross's picture

 What happened  to " Kinship" and teaching? What happened to understanding, and the betterment of people?

  Why in the HELL do you think I'm partially expatriated?

Ahmeexnal's picture




  Why in the HELL do you think I'm partially expatriated?

You left your heart in San Francisco?

Yen Cross's picture

  A Tribute to " Tony Bennett" . I'm not from S.F. Ahmeexnal. Much too liberal,for me.  A great place to visit though!

Manthong's picture

At least our government schools are producing young men with the compassion to give each other a leg up.

Yen Cross's picture

 Makes ya wonder who the originating " chromosomes" were?

youngman's picture

I was in a fraternity in the 70´s......we drank a lot of beer...a lot of beer....we had beer bongs...shot beers...had it for breakfast on football days....but we never...ever..shot it up our butts.....what is it with this world today..

StychoKiller's picture

'Tis the Age of Kali-Yuga!


AUD's picture

If virtue is a positive quality, then I'd say it went with the dollar. Government & central bank credit is junk, the opposite of the quality required for the most precious of things - money.

The continuation of government & central bank credit as money will only promote ever more spurious behaviour.

mademesmile's picture

The local St. Louis news top story was on the 40 animals that were rescued from an animal hoarder. So sad.

Meanwhile, the East St. Louis Mayor announced basically house arrest for all teenagers.

1. Minors on the street during school hours will be arrested on sight.

2. Minors are to be off the streets at ten o’clock on both weeknights and weekend nights, or will be arrested. 

3. Police will also perform I.D. checks on street corners and conduct gun searches.

There's more, like a new citywide dress code. “No royal blue, no bright red to be worn by our men or our boys in this community,” Parks said. “Why is that? Those colors have long been affiliated with gang kinds of affiliations”

“Vehicles that are moving will be stopped and searched for guns, weapons, drugs, and open alcohol and any other violations that are taking place,” Parks later told KMOX’s Mark Reardon. “People who are walking, people who are bicycling, can be stopped and searched for the same and, when it comes to state IDs, we’re going to be confirming that state IDs are in place for everyone involved.”

Parks says he won’t hesitate to call in the National Guard if the spike in violence continues.

You can read about the stampede of liberty here.

There is a terrible culture of violence in East St. Louis. Not sure how this is going to help.



El's picture

They tried the minor curfew thing in the city closest to me and the courts ruled it was unconstitutional.



Dr. Sandi's picture

Time to buy some fresh judges.

Offthebeach's picture

Free range prison yard. Call it, Non Work Release Pre/Post Incarnation. Gov food, gov housing, gov security, conjucal visits.

Yo, sup?