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How The Fed Crushed China's Ability To Join The Ease-Fest

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It will not come as a surprise to anyone who has spent any time reading Zero Hedge (here, here, and here very recently) but now yet another one of our 'crazy fringe blog' non-consensus ideas - the fact that China is cornered by inflation concerns and unable to ease aggressively - has now been confirmed by none other than the Bank of China and Bank of Korea themselves. As the WSJ reports, "The rise in global liquidity could lead to rapid capital inflows into emerging markets including South Korea and China and push up global raw-material prices."

The latest round of easing by the U.S. will increase inflationary pressures for emerging-market economies, Mr. Chen said. "This contributes to a monetary-policy dilemma for Chinese authorities", he added. While markets have looked for signs of more forceful action by China's leaders to rekindle growth, some officials attribute the government's caution to fears of reigniting inflation.

This confirms previous comments by the PBoC that "A domestic policy may be optimal for the U.S. alone. However at the same time it is not necessarily optimal for the world," he said at the time. "There is a conflict between the U.S. dollar's domestic role and its international settlement role."

 

Via WSJ: Harsh Words From Beijing, Soeul

BEIJING--Chinese and South Korean central-bank officials criticized the U.S. Federal Reserve's latest easing efforts and advocated reducing Asia's dependence on the U.S. dollar.

 

The comments Thursday, at a joint seminar in Beijing by the two central banks, are the clearest indication yet of a rising backlash in Asia against U.S. monetary policy, suggesting it could speed up the search for alternatives to the dollar as the main global currency.

 

"The rise in global liquidity could lead to rapid capital inflows into emerging markets including South Korea and China and push up global raw-material prices," said Bank of Korea Gov. Kim Choong-soo. "Therefore, Korea and China need to make concerted efforts to minimize the negative spillover effect arising from the monetary policies of advanced nations."

 

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Asia needs a "regional core currency" to reduce its dependence on the dollar. China's ultimate goal is for the yuan to be as important as the euro or the dollar, he said.

 

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The latest round of easing by the U.S. will increase inflationary pressures for emerging-market economies, Mr. Chen said. This contributes to a monetary-policy dilemma for Chinese authorities, he added. While markets have looked for signs of more forceful action by China's leaders to rekindle growth, some officials attribute the government's caution to fears of reigniting inflation.

 

"On the one hand, China needs to stabilize growth, but on the other hand China is very worried about a property-price rebound," Mr. Chen said.

 

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The Korean and Chinese economies are also likely to be affected differently by the Fed's easing. The freer flow of South Korea's currency, the won, means sudden rushes of capital can destabilize the financial system quickly, while China's tighter controls means pressures build more slowly.

 

Mr. Kim of the Bank of Korea is already on the record fretting about the effects of QE3 on Korea. Earlier this month he said that the Bank of Korea may need to take steps to curb the potential influx of liquidity into South Korea.

 

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"A domestic policy may be optimal for the U.S. alone. However at the same time it is not necessarily optimal for the world," he said at the time. "There is a conflict between the U.S. dollar's domestic role and its international settlement role."

 

A year earlier, Mr. Zhou argued in an influential essay that the world should move to a multicurrency system, including an increased role for Special Drawing Rights, a synthetic international currency created by the International Monetary Fund.

 

Mr. Kim said Thursday that China and Korea should consider making the two countries' bilateral currency-swap agreement permanent.

 

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Both countries should also try to use the yuan and the won in bilateral trade, to cut costs and reduce their reliance on the dollar in transactions, Mr. Kim said. In the long-term, the two countries may consider setting up a won-yuan foreign-exchange market, he added.

 

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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:39 | 2837260 vast-dom
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China PLEASE dump ALL US PAPER ASAP! It is the ONLY way to right all of this Central Planning meddling madness. 

 

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:05 | 2837310 Muppet of the U...
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LOL.  That's the day the gold charts break forever...  the eur/usd breaks and returns to 1:1 plummet... & massive inflation of basic necessities and massive deflation of industrial products explodes.

Das Judaen wins then = NWO & permanent slavery and corruption.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:17 | 2837337 fnord88
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the petro-dollar is in its death throws. Countries are trading oil and goods outside of the US dollar more and more. When the point of inflexion comes, the tidal wave of US dollars returning home will be the catalyst for massive inflation, and the death of the dollar. Can't see it lasting more than another 18 months myself. Got Gold?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:29 | 2837365 Muppet of the U...
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Well.  That's why the U.S. will have to instate draft and launch LOL "freedom fighters" in oil producing nations.  XD.  As long as we control the majority of oil producing nations, China can't get oil...  So China can't drop the dollar until it cen be oil self-sufficient!  LOLOLOL.  It's hilarious we have muppets for voters and muppets for leaders and slopeheaded jews for masters.  This world turned out just fine...

This is why Iran is gonna get a foot up its ass if it doesn't stop supplying oil to india and china, i mean building nukes...  :D   & ftw, Iran probably will nuke das judaen if the U.S. invades.  Outside the muppets of the America, people really really really fucking hate jews.  Especially the people who have to live next to them.  XD

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:33 | 2837374 fonzannoon
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You know Russia and China are going to provide Iran with any support they can to make a war with Iran as difficult as possible. It's the US that is going to get a foot up it's ass. My grandfather used to say "we have been kicking the worlds ass for so long, it's about time they started kicking ours". I thought he was crazy. He wasn't

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:42 | 2837394 Muppet of the U...
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Remember when Libyas leader gaddafi told his people the U.S. was drugging a bnch of radical islamists and arming them with the latest combat techniques, training, and weapons?

Dude its happening in Syria in full force right now.  & the U.S. is just supplying arms, no troops yet. 

If Iran heads to Chinatown in the Big Apple (I have no idea what the means), you can damn well bet it will be done with the U.S. and Europe "supporting" (aka: drugging a bnch of radical islamists and arming them with the latest combat techniques, training, and weapons) Iranian Rebels...  Just like it did in Syria and Libya.  & China and Russia will respond with weapons and supplies to Iran.  The first to start losing this proxy war will have to actively start a military intervention (ie send troops or bombers.)  The first to have to deploy troops, will have an increased chance of losing the proxy war.  & at any time this economic/proxy war can erupt into full blown total war.  In which case, I heard South America is a nice place this time of year...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:51 | 2837401 fonzannoon
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I am not sure exactly where you are going with this (if Iran heads to chinatown in the big apple?) but I loosely agree with your thoughts. Especially about south america.

I think Jack handy summed up the currency plan (QE) well for the US....."Better not take a dog on the space shuttle, because if he sticks his head out when you're coming home his face might burn up."

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:54 | 2837499 strannick
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As the US ambassador said to De Gualle (or one of his lackeys) decades ago "the dollar is our currency, but your problem''. Only now we have Robert Rubin instead of Henry Kissinger.

The Chinese thought they could forever suppress their currency by buying Treasuries.

The Europeans thought they could have monetary union without fiscal union.

The Japs thought they could sell their bonds to their silly citizens forever.

They couldnt. Now when it all comes down, its still the US swinging the biggest stick.

To hear the Chinese whine about US money printing is to hear a chicken whine to the fox. Maybe the US will decide to discount foreign Treasury holdings by half in reply.

Well played Yankees.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:49 | 2837714 Solarman
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Absolutely correct.  It sucks being a mercantalist.  Wait until we close off imports like the Brits did during the Great Depression.  They were fine and recovered somewhat, we collapsed.  China today was America then.  Except, China can't feed their people or provide enough energy domestically like we could, and can

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 05:23 | 2837940 Half_A_Billion_...
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which means china & russia will NUKE the 9th fleet and whatever else gets on their way to oil, buddy

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 01:59 | 2837778 Darth Sidious
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Shmuel,

 

Have Yael at the international zionist conspiracy control center find out who this guy is and then have mossad take appropriate action. I'm tired of him exposing us.

 

Regards,

 

You know who

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:01 | 2837430 yogibear
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All China and Russia has to do is support Iran and the rest of the middle countries with weapons and technology to grind the US down. The US cannot afford another VietNam.

Russia and China both have the ability to make the drones ineffective.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 08:30 | 2838133 neptunium
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Drones are really just decoys or recon in early SEAD missions, they're not yet ready for combat prime time although Boeing and LM look set to change that. Drones are most useful when deployed against an enemy with second rate sensory capability - it is telling that Iran has only been able to claim one kill (that might plausibly have been a system malfunction).

I don't think any war with Iran would have or require boots on the ground, Libya is the model for any action over their territory, degrade their AA capability, enforce a no-fly zone and pick off armour and C4I as required. It doesn't need to turn into Vietnam at all, once you control the skies you delaminate the OPFOR, hit the power networks, soon you control their ability to communicate, under that situation, while many suggest the Iranian population would rally around their Leaders, they might also rebel against them, after all, they've been told Iran is all-powerful, were that to be proven demonstrably false there'd be hell to pay.

Hopefully diplomacy will win out, a war is the last thing anyone needs and the Iranian population deserves a lot better than a clerical powerbase, hopefully they'll remove the Ayatollah in due course.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:39 | 2837386 vast-dom
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fuck yourself Muppet of the U... you POS hater.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:43 | 2837398 Muppet of the U...
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I didn't start it.  The jews did.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:49 | 2837404 vast-dom
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i can guarantee that you do not know what you are speaking of, nor do you know the start of what you reference. what you do know is hatred and bigotry and that was probably started at early age in your home and you never outgrew it. consider this a kind note in the hopes that you one day revisit your resentments. 

the WHITE man started most of it. Homo Sap worst animal out there.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:33 | 2837423 Muppet of the U...
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I am not a mean person.  I simply say what I see, and what I see is ugly.  Your interpretation of what I see, is like your, perspective, maaaan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dh_mfqxRv8&feature=BFa&list=FLb5msS4NzVA...

So do I do not preach the hatred of another people.  Do I actively refer to anyone who is not of my race, in a derogatory way?  No. 

Do I refuse to interact with or breed with 'inferior peoples' (gentiles and goyim) who not of my own race?  No.

^ & as far as being into eugenics?  I find this one quite odd b/c jews aren't known for enlarged cerebral lololols.  :/  tough break.

Do I exist in life to control power centers, so that I might create global banks and corporations, and enslave the population? Nope.

& yet you still pretend that the mentality of our leaders is not of one particular pursuasion?  Let me ask you, if you commit a crime in wall street, and/or business, and you get off scott free, what religion to you belong to?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 08:22 | 2838107 neptunium
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You're incredibly pretentious and desperate for attention, from the rabid/breathless nature of your posts and the laughter (at your own statements ~LOLOL) etc I would guess you have problems interacting with people in day to day life, possibly autistic, possibly just lonely : (

No, scratch that, I'm sure you have loads of friends right?  ; ) 

Anyway, I'm sure that too is the fault of the Jews.

Personally in my business dealings with Jewish clients I've yet to have been stung, not once, ever. That's a generalisation that might equally explain (other than generally stable families and an emphasis on education) why Jews tend to do quite well, and obviously that attracts the ire of bigots, loners (you) and those who need to find a simplistic explanation for complex systems that elude the intellect.

Think about that when you're sitting alone pondering why you find it hard to meet people IRL ; ) 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:31 | 2837588 FL_Conservative
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You think the Fed wouldn't ctrl-P to buy up the slack in the market?  China only owns $1.1TT.  Fucking Bernanke can ctrl-P that in about a week.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:20 | 2837677 Muppet of the U...
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Think of it more as like, the shtf button, where everyone who already knows dollar = shit, is just waiting for a reason to dump it.

Moreover, Printing more money, will only increase the supply of dollars.  It will not do what the Fed would need, increase the demand for the dollar.  In fact the direct response to China dumping the dollar should be to reduce the monetary supply, b/c price is based on a supply versus demand scale.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:38 | 2837594 pavman
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China PLEASE dump ALL US PAPER ASAP!

While I do like the thinking, in the end foreign dollar holdings are only a mere $4.5 - $5T, peanuts to the Bernanke.  This statement assumes transparency.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:38 | 2837262 Ahmeexnal
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They ain't gonna take it. They will dump the dollah before having their sand castles/malls/skyrises crumble before their very own eyes.
Things are unraveling faster than anyone expected.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:38 | 2837263 fonzannoon
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How about they break the peg to the dollar and float the remnimbi? Would it not soar against the dollar? Would that inflation tsunami come racing back to the US? I get that their exports to the US would drop substantially. So maybe they export to other countries and to their own growing middle class? What is so wrong with this train of thought?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:00 | 2837300 Dr. Engali
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I always wondered if that's part of the Fed's strategy .... Export so much inflation to them and influct so much pain that it would force them to break the dollar peg.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:06 | 2837315 Muppet of the U...
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& imagine the speculation behind a free floating currency that would likely end up being backed by trillions of dollars of gold.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:01 | 2837302 the iD
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strengthening currency = debts harder to pay = insolvents go default.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:07 | 2837317 fonzannoon
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Exactly. China is the creditor. They get deflation. We are the debtor, we get to pay off our debts with funny money.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:22 | 2837344 fnord88
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China does not care about the money the US owes. They always knew they were never getting it back. It was the cost of building their manufacturing base, and their gold reserves. The end game has always been the death of the dollar. "Pay off our debts with funny money"..... don't make me laugh. When this plays out there will not be a US left. China does not care about the debt, only replacing the US dollar.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:33 | 2837373 Dr. Engali
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Agreed. When this plays out the U.S is going to rip itself apart. It will be a Balkanized region like Europe.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:40 | 2837389 fonzannoon
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well dammit we should still pay it off with funny money. It's the right thing to do. If you don't have principles what do you have?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:52 | 2837415 Dr. Engali
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"If you don't have principles what do you have?"

Fun in school :-> Seriously though this country through principles out the door a long time ago. After everything I've witnessed over the last few years I wonder if it ever had any.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:59 | 2837427 fonzannoon
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I hear you Doc. I know people on an individual level still have level still have principles. Some people anyway. It's what keeps me going. Too bad they are so freakin clueless to understand the principles this country was founded on, but still, people give me hope. What is amazing is I am a cyinic (you are 100% correct) and a total sap at the same time, because I believe that people will eventually accept reality and do what is right. I may be incredibly wrong but I am going to do my best to prepare for both.

That Jack Handy quote above nails it, no?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:09 | 2837439 Dr. Engali
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I'm the same way. I know people whose integrity I would never question. They would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it. It makes me wonder how we continue to get these corrupt leaders elected. But then I see videos like the one I saw today with the voter who is voting for Ibama because he gave her a phone and I understand how. But even people like that I feel are descent people, but they are just misguided and taken advantage of instead if built up.
Like you I feel that when the shit gets deep people will finally get off their asses and do what needs to be done.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:31 | 2838726 Jethro
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I wish I shared your optimism Doc.  The lady in the video you referenced is a prime example of a multi-generational welfare state.  She neither possesses dignity, compassion nor ambition.  She cares only about what she's entitled to, and she is far from being an extremely vocal minority.  Indeed, she's fairly representative of most inner city inhabitants. Ordinarily, my initial instinct would be to show people like her compassion, but I'm weary and jaded of this behavior like her's,  and so my time and compassion would be wasted. They fail to see the connection that they have merely become pawns to be controlled by the government, because they rely entirely upon the government (food, shelter, clothing---and now, communication).  The surest way to destroy someone is to give them everything they need, or want.  I view welfare as little more than a reservation scheme without the sovereignty, or physical borders.  If the time ever comes where the government stops providing for these folks, there will be no boundary on their depravity to obtain what they think it "rightfully theirs".

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:07 | 2837437 yogibear
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China is very, very patient, whereas the US is not. China can wait for the US to destroy it's currency.

China should announce clearly that it will unpegg from the US dollar. It should get other countries to go along with it as well.

It's the only way to put an end to Bernanke and his fellow money printers.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 04:40 | 2837912 SoundMoney45
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It is not if, it is when China unpegs.  China has the strong hand, and time is on their side.  Bringing things to a head sooner is favorable to the US position.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:29 | 2837363 the iD
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i dont disagree, yet see the recent ZH article on china muni defaults. there is indebtedness w/i solvent entities as well. if they would be willing to let the insolvent fail and those chips fall where they may, then strengthening their currency while simultaneously turning their economy inwards w/ consumer based protectionist agenda would be the correct choice imo. let their burgeoning middle-class buy the products they produce, use the strong currency to buy up the remaining world natural resources at relatively cheap prices, increase military industrial expenditures because war is coming, raise the birth limit to 2 (one boy, one girl) and fill those ghost cities and absorb twice the debt. a stong currency promotes a strong populace. a strong populace promotes a strong government. oh, and best of all they would stick it to the us/west imperialist hegemony.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:06 | 2839545 thefedisscam
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70%+ of U.S. total debt are owned by the U.S. Fed. and U.S. companies//U.S. Pension/U.S. people, for God sake!

Whatever the consequency for the U.S. bankruptcy will be felt by BOTH U.S. and China and other big holders of the U.S. funny money!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:11 | 2837324 Yen Cross
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 Fonz, as early as last late spring( Northern Hemisphere), China was discussing 'offshore' clearing aka exchange' houses with Japan and Australia.

 China is incapable of "maintaining" the trading band range, with either partner. The band was meant to be a " Pan Pacific" exchange for the YUAN! 

 Japan exports & Australia exports, so it was a win /win idea for the PBoC. NO?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:14 | 2837328 kito
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spot on fonz.......china has hundreds and hundreds of millions yet to urbanize.....they dream of internal consumption demand....not too far off now.....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:35 | 2837380 fonzannoon
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Why don't they start by giving those foxconn workers a big ass raise? Watch these sheep over here have to pay $1,500 for an ipad, see how that works out for us?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:53 | 2837717 DCFusor
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AAPL has insane gross profit on their ibling.  A big pay raise wouldn't make much difference, actually.

It might cut their margin back to only a couple times what everyone else gets.  iBling costs you 4-5 times what it costs them to make.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 04:03 | 2837882 Yen Cross
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Lot's of GHOST Cities to populate Kito? Keep Chasing yield! Been there done that!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:40 | 2837265 Yen Cross
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  "" SYMBIOSIS""

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:40 | 2837266 Bluntly Put
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"There is a conflict between the U.S. dollar's domestic role and its international settlement role."

^^ Understatement of the century.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:23 | 2837347 fnord88
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Triffins dilemma anybody?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:48 | 2837402 RafterManFMJ
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I think Kirk simply stopped feeding them, then they died.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:44 | 2837274 buzzsaw99
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China and South Korea? South Korea? I guess I had no idea that the two were such great buddies. Silly me I thought it was China and North Korea that were so crazy, er, cozy. I hope they enjoy their new best-budship. Can we pull out of South Korea now?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:50 | 2837288 Yen Cross
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Lexus/Hyundai   "\ fuck no/.   bitchez

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:54 | 2837292 zippy_uk
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So Benankes medicine is working - we were all just looking in the wrong country.

The plan is clear now - push up Chinese wages and currency or make the country implode via food riots.

Sort of a "I can print you country into economic destruction with my currency printing before I crash my countries economy" policy.

Nice work if you can get it.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 20:58 | 2837298 Big Ben
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Bwook bwook bwook bwook the US bwock bwak bad bwock bwock! Bwock bwock US bwock bwock selfish bwook! Bwook bwook bwook!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:06 | 2837312 Cabreado
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All the idiots come scurrying out of the cracks when their personal illusion is interrupted... interrupted in fact by the end-game of their own collective neglect of reality all the way to their lofty places.

And imagine the expectations of the masses they have bred and nurtured along the way...

This is what it looks like... when the Self-Absorbed in leadership and influence finally steer the world into a corner.

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:07 | 2837316 The big unzip
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Ben is known in china as Dum Fuk

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:11 | 2837323 Go Tribe
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How do you say "Squeal like a pig!" in Mandarin (cross-eyed, holding a banjo)?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:17 | 2837332 Yen Cross
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 Here is a piece for Aud traders. Sydney Morning Herald ,http://www.smh.com.au/business/down-down-or-status-quo-rba-to-decide-201...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:21 | 2837341 Manipuflation
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Slightly OT.  Possible long term mental effects of Bank of Japan's ZIRP/NIRP?  How the hell did doing any of this get to be a "good idea"?  Inflate everything?  I lose a little more of my already very minimal level of faith in humanity every day but this takes it down ten-fold all at once.

  http://entertainment.ie/wtf/Fancy-a-bagel-shaped-forehead-anyone-Apparently-its-all-the-rage-in-Japan/142344.htm

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:31 | 2837352 toomanyfakecons...
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Meanwhile, the Romney campaign is telling everyone China is the cheaters. I wonder if the NFL will continue to crush politics in the ratings and maybe even top Dec 21st and WWIII.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:30 | 2837354 RiverRoad
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Conspiratory theorists take note:  Could we be doing this to China accidently on purpose?  Might be a method in all this madness.  Maybe payback time for pegging the yuan to the dollar.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:26 | 2837355 tony bonn
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"...There is a conflict between the U.S. dollar's domestic role and its international settlement role."

jim willie gives considerable attention to this topic in his latest newsletter.....the role of the usd as a settlement currency is coming to an end SWIFTly......the usa and its wicked bush crime syndicate and rockefeller axis of evil have earned international enmity with war being waged against the usd.....doom and gloom is ahead - except for the 1%....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:35 | 2837377 alfred b.
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      All that China needs to do to retalliate is to disclose their Gold and Silver Holdings!

      Just make sure you buy physical gold and silver before the release of those numbers.

 

 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:41 | 2837391 vast-dom
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not yet alfie burger, not yet...... they will first triple their holdings, then give it to us good & proper.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:54 | 2837419 Stuck on Zero
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So obviously the world needs a new currency: A trade dollar.  It expires in 365 days.  It can only be used to trade goods between nations and cannot be exchanged for local currencies.  No one can hoard it.  The value is set by an aggregate of traded products.  The trade dollar would eliminate wars, global interests toppling sovereign states and all manner of unsavory dealings.  It would keep our government from printing and filling the globe with bogus paper.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:01 | 2837643 RSBriggs
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What, it's like "hot potato"?  The country holding them when they expire is out of luck?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 06:50 | 2837983 Ying-Yang
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And all the world's countries would agree to use this NWO currency? Sounds like the EU on steroids. It begs the question... can you have a reserve currency for all nations without first giving up fiscal sovernity to some sort of NWO council? Maybe that is the final result of dollar destruction?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:04 | 2837434 Seize Mars
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So wait a minute. This economy is expected to have high inflation, but it's possible to earn nontrivial amounts of interest on deposits?

Uh...what's the problem?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:53 | 2837516 Dungeness
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I think this could definitely accelerate the US dollar losing its status as world reserve currency. An escalation of the currency wars.

If/when this happens, it would most likely be a big problem for US consumers. Imagine, all imported products (food, electronics, cars, etc.) to the US would have to be traded for something the US produces. Actual goods or services, instead of just printing more dollars or IOUs.

Here are the developments that are not being reported in main stream media very much.

- China, Iran, India, Russia, others have already developed and implemented a duplicate wire transfer system that essentially replaces SWIFT. This was implemented in response to the sanctions on Iran, so that oil could be purchased from Iran.

- China announced early September that it would buy and even sell oil in yuan, not dollars, to any country in the world.

- Russia announced early September that it would sell as much oil as possible or needed to China to meet all demand for oil that China would sell.

- China is Saudi Arabia's #1 customer for oil, US is now #2, and China is building a huge refinery there.

- China and Germany are now beginning to trade in euro and yuan. China trades in non-dollar and yuan with many other Asian countries incuding countries in South America and Africa.
 
I think the situation is serious enough that the middle east wars could escalate. If it's the US/UK/Israel against Iran/China/India/Russia/Germany/South America/Africa/(rest of world?), I am not sure how that would turn out.

In any case, I dont think anything will happen until after the elections, or early 2013. But, things are definitely heating up.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:25 | 2837670 Schmuck Raker
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I think China and Korea should use the yuan and the won in bilateral trade, that just makes sense to me. Much the same as Germany and the US NOT bothering to use the Yuan, or SDRs, or Thai Baht in their direct trade. Big deal.

What I really can't get my head around is the apparent fear of the Yuan becoming the next global "Reserve" currency. There's just no way that will come to pass. Some say that without military supremacy a nation's currency can't maintain that role. That makes sense, I guess, looking at previous regimes. But I think the most critical factor is (though rarely mentioned in this context by Tyler or even the peanut gallery here): A Fiat Currency Will Only Remain The Dominant/Reserve Currency As Long As It's Users Have Faith In The Issuing Government. Why doesn't anyone consider this when thinking of the Yuan supplanting the Dollar as the international reserve currency.

The essential question becomes: Do You Trust The Chinese Government Enough To Use The Yuan? You can tell me one point something billion people use it every day, but they don't have much choice...

Are Africans governments all over the Yuan?...Maybe, a few. That doesn't mean they can turn around and buy European, or American, or even Asian(ex China) products with those funds.

No, the Yuan isn't freely convertible. But I don't think that if it were the world will begin to use it as "THE" reserve currency.

Spanish depositors are not pulling their Euros out of the local bank and buying Yuan. Nor will they, EVER.

I don't trust my government(US) any further than I could throw Newt Gingrinch. But I trust theirs even less.

 

Just my 2(am) cents.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:14 | 2839576 thefedisscam
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2012/09/27/46/0503000000AEN2012...

"BOK chief stresses need to upgrade Korea-China currency swap line

SEOUL, Sept. 27 (Yonhap) -- South Korea and China need to make their existing currency swap line a permanent facility as part of efforts to prevent the repeat of another financial crisis, Seoul's top central banker said Thursday.

   In October last year, South Korea and China agreed to double their won-yuan swap line to 360 billion yuan (US$57 billion) in a bid to secure foreign exchange liquidity. The swap facility will be effective until 2014, subject to be extended upon agreement.

   Bank of Korea (BOK) Gov. Kim Choong-soo said that there is a need to build up a strong financial safety net to prevent offshore financial turmoil like the eurozone debt crisis from spreading into Asia."

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:33 | 2837699 bankruptcylawyer
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gold bitches. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:57 | 2837700 tahoebumsmith
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Sooner or later 0.25 % interest turns into .000 nothing. That's right, completely vaporized. 20  trillion pilfered  right out from your comatose noggins. Tarp, stimulus, zirp. hamp, hemp, QE1, QE2, QE3 , TALF, LTRO to Infinity and beyond Bitchez. Playing hot potato with synthetic promissory notes. They have sucessfully transfered all the toxic crap onto the balance sheets of the tax payer,the serfs the sheep, via the Pimp FED and its little banking whore bitchez. It's like a big sucking machine...whooosh Gone Bitchez  Anybody but a milksop could read the writing on the wall. Keep the sucking sound going as long as we can and then let them destroy themselves once total chaos has developed.

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 01:09 | 2837735 Manipuflation
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You are on the correct path.  0% would flush some stacked pallets of cash into circulation but what about a -.25% diktat?  That would change the world very quickly methinks.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 03:30 | 2837845 luckylongshot
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The QE approach is only one way of issuing money. The other way can only be done by countries that own their central bank and it is done by funding capital works projects with government issued money that is interest free. This latter option keeps supply and demand in balance and is not inflationary and China still has this option available because it owns its central bank. This means there is basically very little chance of a major recession ever occurring in China. Depressions only occur when private banks are controlloing the money supply and decide to rape the public by restricting money supply.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 05:08 | 2837929 Offthebeach
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No, you mean government approved, crony banks. Chartered banks. Money and credit is too important to be under government control. Credit is a commercial/philosophical discussion over time about personal and group desires. It is speach with a side bet. Free speech. Finance is in state hands for the same reason propaganda is. State power. Free people no more need state controlled finance then they need a government press.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 03:33 | 2837851 AnAnonymous
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I wonder who was the chinese who stated the obvious. Was he an 'american' or was she not?

If she is an 'american', bad news. If not, it will have no consequences.

Whatsoever, it shows that Ben Bernanke is doing his best to preserve the US, sacrifying part of the rest of the world in the doing.

Ben is fighting hard to make sure that the US remains the ultimate consumption sink in the world, meeting the demand of the US american middle class who want to be maintained or extended in their extravaganza consumption levels.

Bits in the article also destroys the decoupling 'american' thesis. China, nor any other places in the world can decouple and turn into a growth engine, without developing their self centered consumption patterns. Patterns that would eat on US american consumption and endangers the US position as the ultimate consumption sink in the world.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 04:00 | 2837860 akak
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I wonder who was the first chinese troll who logged-in under the name of "AnAnonymous".

Was he the same as this one or was she not?

If she was not sufficiently American-hating, bad news (for her). If just another Chinese roadside crapper, it will have no consequences, as it is her eternal nature after all.

Whatsoever, it shows that The Chinese People's Ministry of Propaganda is doing its best to preserve the 'US Citizenism' meme, sacrifying the sanity of the rest of the members of ZeroHedge in the doing.

AnAnnoyingMouse is fighting hard to make sure that his self-created fantasy, his so-called 'US Citizenism', remains the ultimate boogeyman in the world that exists only inside his own pointed head, meeting the blobbing-up demand of the Chinese Citizenism troll class who want to be maintained or extended in their extravaganza insanitation levels.

Shits on the roadside also destroy the 'Chinese progress' thesis. China, nor any other places in the world can encourage roadside defecation and not turn into a growth engine for E. coli, without developing their self centered defecation patterns. Patterns that would eat on US american flush toiletism and solidify the Chinese Citizenism position as the ultimate roadside stink in the world.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 04:06 | 2837888 Yen Cross
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 Why in the hell is everyone writing a "novel"?  Your trades should have been put in hours ago!

  God Damd\it Medillia! I want my Bacon!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:42 | 2838428 Grand Supercycle
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IMPENDING SELL OFF...

Longs please be careful.

Due to recent central bank intervention and short covering spikes, these daily charts are extremely overextended and significant correction expected very soon:

SPX, DOW, NASDAQ, NZDUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD, COPPER, CRUDE, GOLD, SILVER. [USD strength will return]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis

http://trader618.com

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:09 | 3031158 WallowaMountainMan
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" Asia needs a regional core currency" to reduce its dependence on the dollar. China's ultimate goal is for the yuan to be as important as the euro or the dollar, he said. "

 

back from the future, as is my want, to add a misc note to this chorus of at the time sanity, 'as important as the euro'. that now looks to be the same as asking to be as important as a ggb.

smiles to all you historians of the future, whom are the only ones to ever read this comment.   :)

 

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