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SocGen's Albert Edwards Lowers Equity Allocation To Minimum On Fears "Fed Will Destroy The World"

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It has been a while since we heard from SocGen's uber-soothsayer Albert "Ice Age" Edwards. He is now back, and with quite a bang, reiterating a line from Marc Faber that will prove 100% accurate in a few short years. The French bank's forecaster, who has proven more accurate than most (and certainly far better than Wall Street's permabull-by-default brigade which is trotted out every day there is a market uptick and promptly tucked in when reality returns) just made the call to cut equity allocation to the lowest possible 30% (from 35%), while hiking cash from 15% to 20%. Deja vu? "the last time I reduced my equity weighting to 30% was 8 May 2008 when the S&P was stlll standing at 1400."

From Albert Edwards:

Lowering equity weighting to minimum - "The Fed will destroy the world”


In 2005 when Alan Greenspan was being hailed as a “maestro” I wrote that his policies would ruin the world and history would judge him to be “an economic war criminal”. I now think Ben Bernanke’s policies will prove even more ruinous than Sir Alan’s (yes unbelievably he still retains his honorary knighthood). Hence we are lowering our equity weighting to 30%, the minimum possible. The last time I did this was 8 May 2008.

  • I'm reading some insanely stupid stuff at the moment. Okay, I know some of my writing is pretty insane, but when I read direct quotes and commentary about Bernanke's policy of driving up asset prices in general and equity prices in particular, I almost want to cry over the ludicrousness of this position. The Fed is pursuing the same road to ruin as it did between 2003-2007. I'm becoming more and more convinced that, Gloom, Boom, & Doom's Marc Faber is right when he says that "the Fed will destroy the world" - link. (Also keep your eyes open for Dylan's next Popular Delusions.)
  • I agree with Philadelphia Fed President Charles Prosser, who dared to suggest the Emperor had no clothes by saying that QE, including the bank's purchase of $40bn a month of mortgage bond purchases, was unlikely to do much to boost growth and decrease unemployment.
  • Regular readers will know that in the main, my market timing is unerringly inaccurate, normally months if not years too early. But for those who might write off this move down to 30% as the yet more rantings of a lunatic, the last time I reduced my equity weighting to 30% was 8 May 2008 when the S&P was stlll standing at 1400.

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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:45 | 2834790 Debtonation
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Good thing I've been stocking up on physical food lately.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:00 | 2834813 ratso
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Another load of BS from Bernanke bashing doom mongers.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:04 | 2834821 overmedicatedun...
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sam nunn ex dem senator on cnbc:" compramise push back the cliff for six months so we can think more.."(not that it pushes it far from the nov election, no no it's for thinking).LOL

looking very good there Sam, very rich, very in the know, very reptile like. he's touted as a rational pol out to do good for our kids..LOL this MSM stinks 2 -3 minutes and i gotta just shut it off.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:28 | 2835105 Thomas
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I picked a bad day to quit smoking crack.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:59 | 2835204 Stackers
Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:09 | 2834835 NewWorldOrange
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"Another load of BS from Bernanke bashing doom mongers."

You must be absolutely blissful;)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:11 | 2834839 LongSoupLine
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fuck you ratso bank troll sacksuck

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:42 | 2834924 JPM Hater001
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Take it easy.  He's doing the best he can with his limited intelligence.

Although a fuck you seems fair from time to time now that I think about it.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:43 | 2834923 MFLTucson
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How about you fill us in on what Greenspan and Bernanke have done right??  If this is doom mongering then I have to assume you know something more that the rest of us, so we will all wait in anticipation of your wisdom!


Of course I will expect nothing from you because you are undoughtedly a fucking idiot to write something so stupid.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:47 | 2834944 EscapeKey
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Yes, because all these GREEN SHOOTS in our STRONG RECOVERY which Bernanke, Geithner and Nobama promised us have all turned out exactly as your kind told us it would, and the Gini coefficient is on a stong rebound in favour of the middle class.

Your clueless level = Keynesian economics student.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:00 | 2835215 exi1ed0ne
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There was a time, not long ago, when having a few months of food on hand was normal.  Then, supply chains got better and more efficient, warehouses and huge supermarkets were built to ensure there was endless supply available for consumers.  Now things have gotten so efficient that we are doing real time allocation in the supply chain.  Why have a huge warehouse with capital lying on pallets?  Lets just order what we need plus a day or to in order to have Just In Time delivery.  Makes total business sense, but it also makes the supply chain very fragile.

Nowadays you have people conditioned to believe the shelves will always be full in the store, and have MAYBE a week of food on hand.  I hope for the sake of your family there is never a disruption (weather, earthquake, tornado, flood, outbreak, Canadian invasion) longer than your food stores.  Having a store of food, water and first aid supplies isn't just about the zombie apocalypse.  Heck, at least you'll eat for a while if you get laid off.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:04 | 2834820 zilverreiger
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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:06 | 2834827 saturn
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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:48 | 2834954 EscapeKey
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Don't they call McDonalds and KFC "food" - in which case I tend to agree with you.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:08 | 2834833 stocktivity
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Chuck Shumer (Democrat) told the Bernanke to "get to work".  Romney (Republican) has already said he would fire Benny. Obama (Democrat) will keep him.  Benny just went all in.  HELLLLLOOOOO!!!! What part don't people understand???

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:50 | 2834960 EscapeKey
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Ooh yeah I can't wait for Obamney's Bernanke replacement who will do more of the same.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:38 | 2835141 ATM
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insuider info is Romney would pick John Taylor - Stanford. He of the Taylor Rule.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:10 | 2835252 metastar
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Its a small head for such a big suit.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:45 | 2834791 vinayjha
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I wished fed could simply deposit the money to people account rather then increase their balance sheet by trillion of dollar. Everyone could have easily got $50k by now

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:08 | 2834834 Urban Redneck
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If everyone received 50,000 sea shells with which to trade, why would someone be willing to exhange real goods or services for more worthless sea shells... Even the retarded Krugmanites will concede inflation would occur under such circumstances, as every seller would demand more sea shells for the same quantity of guns & butter or bread & circus.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:10 | 2834837 Antifaschistische
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Vinay! Your suggestion of distribution would benefit the 99.9% which means it will never happen....while POTUS pretends to believe in redistribution of wealth, its only as a kickback from the .1% who are enriched by current policy. tHATS how the mob works, thats how the DC/NY machine works

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:41 | 2834920 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Except it won't benefit the 99% either.  You think gas will stay at $4 a gallon if everyone got $50k?  Why not make everyone a millionaire?  Then you can buy your $10,000 loaf of bread.  Its called INFLATION moron.

I know, you thought inflation was what happened when you looked at the lingerie section of the Sears catalog.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:14 | 2834848 LongSoupLine
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vinay, that would suggest the Fed exists to support the people and not banks.  This simply is not the reality.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:09 | 2835040 KidHorn
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Finally, someone understands that the FEDs job is to support banks. The FED works for the banks, not the people. It's not even part of the US government.

There are way too many morons who post comments like 'The FED is bailing out the banks' as if it's some secret plan. They're supposed to bail out the banks. It's what they do.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:53 | 2834792 GetZeeGold
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"Fed Will Destroy The World"


Use it and abuse it.....rinse and repeat. Play with it...but don't kill it.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:55 | 2834805 pamriallc
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"fondle the cube"

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:58 | 2834810 GetZeeGold
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Be careful with that....we've only got the one.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:33 | 2835330 franzpick
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It'll work better if you add a little tonguesten.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:45 | 2834793 Meesohaawnee
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the 64k question is.. does the fed care? survey says....

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:12 | 2834842 trebuchet
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.... the fed? who's that??

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:15 | 2834852 LongSoupLine
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It's now the 64B question...inflation. (note: do not refer to CPI)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:41 | 2834922 CrimsonAvenger
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oh, they care - they care lots. Just not about the same stuff you do. Your interests and theirs are not the same.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:46 | 2834794 crito
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money aint got no owners, only spenders...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:55 | 2834803 GetZeeGold
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I hope the Printers have Secret Service protection.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:17 | 2834859 LongSoupLine
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only if the printers have hooker access...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:47 | 2834795 becky quick and...
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need to buy more propane tanks...looks like it will be cold at the end of the world this year.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:42 | 2835361 franzpick
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Don't forget the propane electric generators.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:48 | 2834796 Ralph Spoilsport
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We're on the same road to ruin because it worked so well last time. They have had the same map for a while and this "road to ruin" is clearly marked (except on the new iPhone Map App).

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:08 | 2834832 Mister Ponzi
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The quality of their maps is infamous - at least so the official story goes:


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:23 | 2834876 Urban Redneck
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Lets see-  the AF loses an F-117 stealth fighter over Yugoslavia, and 41 days later the CIA "accidentally" bombs the local HQ of the largest industrial espionage shop in town...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:00 | 2835009 XitSam
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Everyone assumes that an American was flying that F-117. Hmm. Haven't thought about that rumor in quite a while.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:48 | 2834797 NaiLib
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SocGen is one of the three IndexWatchDogs in Europe, Making sure there is no real pricing of the indices. As soon as volume is down a bit, they come in with full force driving up the indices seamingly with the only wish to pay as much as possible...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:52 | 2834799 orca
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If he is (correctly) assuming the FED is destroying the world, why is he at 70% cash? Were he to tell his investors that he returns the money and they are to buy physical stuff with it I would get it, but what I understand from his rant is that he plans to let all that money gather dust while hyperinflation is about to kick in.
What is left of my non-physical net worth is 130% in stock, for that very reason.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:41 | 2834918 NewWorldOrange
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I think he was speaking for the allocation of SocGen's accounts, not his own personal account. And it sounds like that 30% minimum (which he states twice is the minimum allowable) is mandated either by the corporate charter or in contracts with account holders, or perhaps even by the laws in Europe. Tylers?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:52 | 2834800 Landotfree
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The fed isn't going to destroy the world, all you lemmings are and the generations before you who wish to engage in a ponzi scheme.  ZH is apparently made up unfunded liabilities that do not wish to be liquidated, unfortunately or fortunately there is only one outcome from using the equation.... liquidation of the unfunded liabilities.

Blaming the Fed is for this is like blaming the Fed for the Sun rising in the East this morning.  There is nothing the Fed can do to stop the collapse.  Sorry.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:55 | 2834804 bigbwana
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You sound like Illuminati spawn.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:58 | 2834809 Landotfree
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No, I sound like somone that knows 8th grade Math.  Sorry, someone is going to have to go, matter of fact quite a few are going to have to go this time.


"The Oracle: Seems like every time we meet I've got nothing but bad news. I'm sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it's worth, you've made a believer out of me. Good luck, kiddo." - The Matrix Reloaded

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:03 | 2834819 GetZeeGold
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No, I sound like somone that knows 8th grade Math


You'll learn Algebra in the 9th will totally change your perspective.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:13 | 2834846 NewWorldOrange
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Perfect. Laughed out loud

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:04 | 2834822 bigbwana
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The Fed IS owned by the Illuminati. JFK knew it and tried to stop them, They assasinated him. Evil. Evil. Evil.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:07 | 2834828 Landotfree
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Irreleant, the system will collapse and it does not matter if there is or is not a Fed and whether or not it's owned by the Illuminati or Mickey Mouse.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:11 | 2834838 bigbwana
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Of course it matters! The Illuminati are also poisoning our skies with chemtrails.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:11 | 2834840 Bay of Pigs
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Irreleant? Your spelling is as good as your math. LOL.

Your knowlegde on the FED is sorely lacking as well.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:18 | 2834862 Landotfree
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You are just an unfunded liabilities that is scared of being liquidated, so instead you are looking for someone blame.  

Sorry buddy, nothing the Fed can do once max potential has been hit.   


"knowlegde"  LOL

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:22 | 2834872 Bay of Pigs
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You saw what I did there?

I guess you are paying attention.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:11 | 2835043 hapless
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Memo to Self:  If the Fed offers me a ride in open convertible, DON'T ACCEPT IT.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:00 | 2834812 pamriallc
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absolutely agree with you.  the epic battle is between "fiscal policy" and "monetary policy" where the drug addicted patient is going through DT's and needs to be on morphine in order to not die in the process of becoming healthy.  the FED in this case is nothing more than a doctor doing all they can due to a sick patient and the doctor has few remedies.  the patient in this case as per "fiscal policy" continues to abuse their privledge and the FED is forced to produce their own version of stability/medicine under the current system.  remove the FED and voila! we now have a direct-connect between politics and federal spendng with zero buffer.  PERFECT.'re now on your own and must take personal responsibility.  free lunch.....all gone.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:04 | 2834823 Landotfree
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What is the Fed's purpose?

To prolong the coming collapse as long as possible.  The Fed's purpose has never been to stop the collapse as that is impossible.   Blaming the Fed serves no purpose, it's like blaming an ant on anthill for all their problems.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:07 | 2834831 overmedicatedun...
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landot, the fed is to enrich the banksters and thier tools..please at least get that right. I should not but I will:

the fed is a tool to enable the elite to pick up cheap assets from the fools like you.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:15 | 2834853 Landotfree
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Those assets would be hell of alot cheaper if not for the Fed.  Of course, I am in no way saying what the Fed is or isn't doing is going to help you.   

There simple is no way for the Fed to stop the collapse, their job is simple, prolong as much as possible.

The top always takes from the bottom, as you are typing on this board, I would suspect you are closer to the top then the bottom.   We all must look in the mirror.

Saying this or that about the Fed does not address the problem.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:34 | 2834900 GetZeeGold
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I remember being a freshmen in college taking Econ 101.


Do they still serve that green jello crap in the cafeteria?


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:39 | 2834915 Cosimo de Medici
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You ought to explain your argument, though I suspect you are having fun sticking it to the loons.  Introduce yourself.  Those of us who have been reading ZH since Day One know you and your argument, but the addled set suspects you of shilling for Bernanke.  How wrong they are.  Since yours is the Doomiest and Gloomiest opinion ever voiced in Zerohedge Comment history, bar none, all those now panning you would stand up and applaud if they understood your argument, especially those who think they'll survive your predicted culling of the "unfunded liabilities" (beautiful term, by the way).  Please, "LandotFree" (ahem), take them out of their misery.  Put the equation up there.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:49 | 2834955 Landotfree
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Use any interest rate equation you want... simple, compounded, etc.  Unsustainable long term, requires unlimited power.   Go look a graph of compound interest, that is the root of the system.   Generation after generation continue to want to lend/borrow at a rate of interest, the equation is unsustainable long-term or even medium term... usually around a generation then collapse.   

There really isn't much too it, certainly nothing the Fed can do about it.   The system will start, the system will rise, the system will be unable to continue to rise (peak), the system will decline and collapse.... then liquidation of the unfunded liabilities.   100+ million last time, my guess 1-3 billion this time.   

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:26 | 2835095 IndicaTive
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Pandemic. Nukes. 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:52 | 2835178 Liquid Courage
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Or Jubilee ... if you could enforce it, which you can't because Man's Laws are for sale to the highest bidder.

My, my ... what a conundrum.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:48 | 2835386 franzpick
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The journey of a 1000 miles starts with one step, from the USPS ForEver Stamps, to Benny's ForEver Bonds.  Uncle Sam Wants You again.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:28 | 2835108 kridkrid
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So a question for you 13-1-11-15... After the collapse, what then? If you were to start over with a form of exchange that doesn't have interest tied to it, no reason to have to cycle through it all over again, is there? Of course that assumes there is something left from which to start over.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:25 | 2835308 Greater Fool
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Thank you, Mr. Malthus.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:35 | 2835336 Overfed
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The proper term used by the 'elite' is useless eater.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:33 | 2834895 Pegasus Muse
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Equating the Fed to a doctor ignores the reality the Fed created today's disastrous economic circumstances by addicting a body politic and people to Easy Money.  The Fed is a fiat money Pusher Man. 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:50 | 2834968 Landotfree
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Irrelevant.  The Fed could stop everything they are doing to day, instant collapse, they could have been dissolved 20 years ago, eventually the system would collapse.   The Fed could have not been formed in 1913 and the system would have still collapsed.   

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:44 | 2835154 JimBowie1958
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The rise and collapse of markets is a natural cycle. The problem is that for the last 80 years or so we have artificially muffled corrections or collapses by spreading the consequences of inefficient businesses and bad investments around to everyone, thus allowing too many of these bad players to continue to participate in the markets when they should not have.

So we have been kicking the can down the road in one form or another until now we have the entire Treasury of the US and the developed world trying to backstop an exponentially growing global financial debt that now NO ONE can pay off.

So it will be one HUGE collapse or correction, and then new technologies will create new opportunities for investment and we will recover as WE ALWAYS HAVE EVENTUALY.

Cheer up; it's only half as bad as you think as we will carry on one way or another.

Money properly understood is a store of labor and resources. Nothing more. The labor and resources will not just disappear, so real wealth will not end or disappear either. It will simply re-emerge in another form or format. Probably Thorium commodity based currency that also represents an energy storage of value, lol.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:49 | 2835375 Pegasus Muse
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The most vibrant and dynamic periods of economic growth in America -- periods in which the working class generally improved their lot -- were those in which the parasitic central banksters and their european masters were given the boot.

If men of character and backbone -- guys like Andrew Jackson -- can muster the resources to again exterminate the Central Bank and put an end to (or place tight control over) Fractional Reserve Lending we will regain prosperity.  It is a matter of purging the parasitic vermin from our economic system so the nation can heal itself. 

This is all laid out clearly in The Money Masters: 


Congressman McFadden understood the bankster scam:

“We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has even known.  I refer to the Federal Reserve Board … This evil institution has impoverished … the People of the United States …. And has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through …. The corrupt practices of the Moneyed Vultures who control it.”

Louis T. McFadden

Remarks in Congress, 1934  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:04 | 2834814 Dr. Engali
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You forgot your sarc tag... But your bold typing is nice.
The fed and their ZIRP policy is the problem. If we had a free floating market rate the government could never spend what they are now. And there is no way we should be paying interest to print our own money.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:16 | 2834857 NewWorldOrange
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Don't confuse the 8th grader with facts.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:16 | 2835068 hapless
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Guns don't kill people - it's the fuckin' bullets.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 12:54 | 2835835 JimBowie1958
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The fed and their ZIRP policy is the problem. If we had a free floating market rate the government could never spend what they are now.

That is the ideal solution, but these theives have stolen so much money and built our national debt so high that the only thing keeping the interst payments on the debt manageable is ZIRP.

What is a pratical and plausible solution that does not require the complete devaluation of the USD to trash on one hand or bankruptcy of the US on the other?

I dont see it.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:05 | 2834824 zilverreiger
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I agree , but they sure as hell shouldnt worsen the collapse!!!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:10 | 2834836 Landotfree
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The system is based on the idea of convincing the lemmings that the system is sustainable.  How do I know the lemmings believe the system is sustainable... as the system would instantly collapse as soon as the didn't believe.   The Fed is not worsening the collapse, they are doing their purpose which the lemmings have programmed them to do.   

I figure 1-3 billion unfunded liabilities will have to go this time, only 100+ million went last time.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:12 | 2834843 overmedicatedun...
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too may words to say nothing why waste your time here Landot? what the heck the fed is programmed by the lemmings?? off your meds is my best guess.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:19 | 2834866 Landotfree
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Yeah, I am nuts because I know the Fed does not have unlimited power.   Sorry I don't worship your God.... I know, I know... the helicopters are coming to save you.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:35 | 2834902 NewWorldOrange
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Their power to destroy the currency (and hence pretty much everything else) is essentially unlimited. See, it's like this:

Prices are proportional to the quantity of money divided by the quantity of all goods and services. Since you like to describe it as (merely) "simple 8th grade math", let me phrase it in another way.

Let P = the general price level

Let M = the quantity of money

Let G = the quantity of goods and services

Let a = a constant

Then P = aM/G

Understand now? If not, don't give up. Like GetZeeGold said above, you'll get to algebra in the 9th grade.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:44 | 2834914 Landotfree
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Irrelevant.   Attach interest to your medium of exchange, you'll be lucky to get a generation or so use out of it before the need for exponential growth blows it up.

Well, I am out of here for today.   You guys have fun discussing how the helicopters are coming to save everyone.   I will sit back and laugh during the liquidation.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:02 | 2835016 NewWorldOrange
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I think I'm beginning to understand. LandotFree is one of those people incapable of detecting sarcasm. He thinks (a lot of) ZH posters actually think helicopters can "save us." In fact, the opposite is true, as most all of us here know.

"Attach interest to your medium of exchange, you'll be lucky to get a generation or so use out of it before the need for exponential growth blows it up."

Exactly! If the Fed doesn't CNTRL-P, the interest the gov is paying on treasuries will soar...and of course exponential growth in the real economy is not possible to finance that via taxes. So the system will collapse...but the degree of the collapse will be infinitely worse than if we just take the hit now. People/markets are much more able to move on without a big black cloud hanging over them, and an economy can finally move on and grow once all its malinvestment is shaken out rather than propped up/bailed out.

You can subscribe to the "in the long run we're all dead" mindset if you wish, but the long run always comes, and Keynes's long run is already here.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:19 | 2834865 bigbwana
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landotfree, you are most assuredly the spawn of the Illuminati.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:25 | 2834869 Landotfree
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I have no idea what that is suppose to mean.  You apparently don't know basic Math and wish to blame me for your problems or problems in the near future.

If you are lucky, you never know, maybe you can escape liquidation.   If nukes are used, well, good luck with that and all.  If nukes are used, my estimate of 1-3 billion goes to 6-7 billion unfunded liabilities being liquidated.  Either way someone is going to have to go.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:09 | 2835037 XitSam
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Extra shot of 5 hour energy in your double espresso this morning?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:28 | 2834877 NewWorldOrange
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"The Fed is not worsening the collapse, they are doing their purpose which the lemmings have programmed them to do."

Sophistry. They are prolonging the collapse, which is already underway. It's not an event, it's a process. And they're greatly "worsening" the effects of that process. language really this hard for you? Shilling for Ben? Ben Dover?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:32 | 2834894 Landotfree
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The Fed is just a program, the system has generated the Fed.  You are a lemming.   The lemmings are all connected to the system.  I am a lemming who stopped marching and certainly knows the Fed or whoever else you want to blame is not the blame.  The lemmings are.  

"(if by "lemmings" you mean the out-of-control politicos who created the creature at Jekyl Island."

None of this is possible without the lemmings, that is the 7 billion people walking this floating rock.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:38 | 2834913 Bay of Pigs
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WTF are you babbling about? Haha...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:49 | 2834958 NewWorldOrange
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LandotFree, that is some of the most simple-minded sophistry I've ever heard.Allow me to paraphrase:

"MF Global is just a business, the system has generated MF Global...None of what MF Global did was possible without it's lemming customers."

If you prefer to cast blame on the victims, go for it. I would have thought you had learned the absurdity of that by the 8th grade. Heh.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:53 | 2834982 Landotfree
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"If you prefer to cast blame on the victims"

Investing in a known ponzi scheme is not a victim.   Either way the unfunded liabilities will have to be liquidated whether they know or don't know.   

Zion was destroyed 5 times previously, so what?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:57 | 2835000 EscapeKey
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It is, when the alternative is going to prison.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 12:25 | 2835720 Pareto
Pareto's picture the fuck..........are you talking about?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:57 | 2838517 Boozer
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Lando -

Please be so kind and return to the yahoo finance blogs.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:22 | 2834873 Pumpkin
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Apparently you have a cause and effect problem.  Hell, just read the mandate (yeah go ahead and pretends it is real) and judge the fed by that.  The lies don't support the lies.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:54 | 2834991 Landotfree
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Of course not, that is why 7 billion people are running from the Truth.  7 billion people are ignoring the obvious, why?  Instant collapse and liquidation of the unfunded liabilities.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:37 | 2834912 yogibear
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Ah, a bankster or his lap dog has shown up. Banksters get viscous when you attempt to reveal their schemes.

Like cornered rats. 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:54 | 2834801 bigbwana
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Why does the Fed continously adopt policies that everybody knows are destroying the global economy? Because they are owned by the Illuminati and, in their evil quest for a NWO, it is but one tactic. Their evil tyranny will soon be over.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:12 | 2834841 Landotfree
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"Why does the Fed continously adopt policies that everybody knows are destroying the global economy?"

Sorry buddy, your ATM card would have stopped years ago if not for the Fed.   Of course, one day your ATM card will stop working anyway as the Fed does not have unlimited power to hold off the collapse.  The unfunded liabilities will have to be liquidated.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:29 | 2834888 bigbwana
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The Fed has been printing your money, and lending it to your government and charging  interest! That is the reason for debt. The Fed should be abolished. They soon will.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:36 | 2834896 Landotfree
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It's not my money nor my government.   Sorry.

You can get rid of the Fed, instant collapse.   These systems have been collapsing the same way before there were things called banks or central banks.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:30 | 2834891 LongSoupLine
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you're about as trolltarded as I've this Steve Liesman?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:35 | 2834901 Landotfree
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Sorry buddy, I do not worship the same God as you and Stevie.... Stevie believes the Fed has unlimited power to, he believes the helicopters are coming to save.   Sorry but you apparently haven't read a word I have written.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:18 | 2839239 andrewp111
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When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:57 | 2834807 lolmao500
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Short gold, silver, long ammo and food.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:03 | 2834818 Quinvarius
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Wait for gold to get back to the mid 1900's before you think about putting on a short term short trade.  This is way too early to be looking for a trade there.  Silver is not to be messed with on the short side by retail ever.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:57 | 2834808 Quinvarius
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Meh.  Going higher.  Stop seeing every problem as a problem.  See every problem as an excuse to print money.  They are not letting the banking system go down.  And that means they have to print trillions.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:35 | 2834905 Landotfree
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Sorry, nobody has the unlimited power you would need to stop the collapsing of the system.  The equation always wins.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:51 | 2835170 samcontrol
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your 1 to 3 billon equation is fucking pathetic.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:51 | 2835171 samcontrol
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your 1 to 3 billon equation is fucking pathetic.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:59 | 2834811 overmedicatedun...
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pork belly.. buy, the bottem is in..duke and duke.. has spoken.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:01 | 2834815 orangegeek
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Not a fan of the Fed, but this nimrod from SocGen.  That's just too much. 


Socialist France is out of rope and so the blame game continues.


France can join the PIIGS - now rebranded as IFPIGS

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 11:52 | 2835592 supafuckinmingster
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orangegeek: "France can join the PIIGS - now rebranded as IFPIGS"


I think SPIFIG works better myself.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 18:47 | 2837013 Shigure
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Now include the UK and Netherlands in the mix...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:01 | 2834816 booboo
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The Federal Reserve, by buying up all of the toxic mortgage paper the market sold to the rubes along with other legislation making it's way through congress will allow foriegn and American investor groups to buy large blocks of homes through government channels.

Ben thinks just the right amount of wage deflation and asset inflation is the cure as long as he and his ilk do not have to experience this lifestyle. Again, he will lose control as the middle shrinks after being consumed by the burning wicks at each end of this candle. 

Welcome to Pottersville on a grand scale.


Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:13 | 2834847 rsnoble
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What??? But futures are up this am! China recovered again overnight! Buy! Buy! Buy!  

LMAO. This entire planet needs a circus tent drapped over it.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:16 | 2834855 proLiberty
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In my opinion, it is not just the Fed, but all the major central banks because all their executives and officials had the same professors at the London School of Economics and all pal around with each other at the Davos and Jackson Hole confabs.  They all are following the same script and all talk with each other on a daily basis.  


We are preparing for the failure of fiat money in general, even though when it happens the world will blame the US and its Federal Reserve Corporation.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:48 | 2834950 oldschool
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Is it really the destruction of fiat that is being prepared, or just of this (national, mostly) fiat system -- to be replaced by a new and improved international fiat?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:20 | 2834867 LawsofPhysics
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Had the savers and responsible behavior been rewarded and had there been real consequences for bad behavior at all levels of society we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess to begin with.  Where the fuck is John Corzine?

Nothing changes until the issue of moral hazard is addressed.  My guess is that ultimately supply lines will start breaking down long before this happens, then people start dying in some significant numbers.  Know history, same as it ever was.  Apparently humans are no smarter than yeast after all. 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:36 | 2834908 Bicycle Repairman
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Have to agree about "responsible behavior" and society.  I just wonder if "responsible behavior" will be enough to save one's skin going forward.  It's clear the rules have changed.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:23 | 2834874 el-greco
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And of course they know full well they are in the process of destroying the world. There is no possible resolution to the US debt that the government is willing to face by itself, so bringing down the rest of the world together with them is the only chance they have to preserve supremacy. Ditto the very clear sign that they are looking to start a war, anywhere and with doesnt matter to them.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:22 | 2834875 mrktwtch2
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y boys we are not going to see spx 600 again..the fed learend how to keep the market up form 2009 on..we all know that the fundamentals dont justify thiese levels but you will go broke fighting it..short of europe totally imploding (which will happen but god know when.)..the march to spx 1600 continues..good luck..

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:39 | 2834917 Bicycle Repairman
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Can the FED buy the entire stock market?  If so, then the stock market will be at whatever level the FED wants.  Fundamentals would mean nothing.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 12:20 | 2835695 Pareto
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Agree.  Don't fight the FED, regardless of how fucked up it is.  One caveat, however.  Transports flirting with the June low.  If broken, then this will call out the usefulness of a  "Don't fight the FED" axiom, when all the wildebeasts are stampeding the exits.  That said, I think you would also need to see a serious break in the $USD - the kind of break that signals a loss of confidence in Larry (the nut job) Kudlow's king dollarama.....IMO.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:37 | 2834909 YHC-FTSE
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He really ought to go a bit further and state that the Fed has already destroyed the world. The water is already hot enough to kill those around the edges, yet the rest of the frogs are just sitting there waiting for someone to miraculously turn off the heat and basking in the non-stop bullshit of the markets. Unfortunately there's enough tinder and fuel in terms of the $600 Trillion+ worth of derivatives to ensure that we're all going to be burnt to a crisp, unless you hop the fuck out now and stop participating in the illusion of safety in government platitudes. Buy physicals. Grow food. Secure your home. 

I've considered it carefully and with some reservations I think we're already in the throes of a major systemic collapse. A collapse that tptb are desperately trying to hide in another big war. The Fed may indeed have the best datasets available on the planet, but they are constantly reacting to one disaster after another of their own making instead of converting that raw data to information and knowledge for the general public, as individuals are doing already on ZH and other places. The ultimate wisdom in all of this may be to do nothing: To allow insolvent institutions to collapse however big they are, to allow off-book liabilities to be visible, and allow price discoveries of assets, including currency. But they are neither wise nor honest - you can bet the government will pauperise every family on the planet before they will allow the squid institutions to collapse, or make the monopoly money they print at will worthless.

We still have a choice - trust in paper signed by criminals, or trust in yourself to do the right thing for the security of your family. 

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:10 | 2835046 Levadiakos
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Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:47 | 2835158 Arnold Ziffel
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"lowest possible" is not 30%.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:08 | 2835245 mktsrmanipulated
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The market has become the ultimate ponzi scheme promoted by dollar cost averaging....CNBC....IA's etc...last one holding the bag is going to be screwed

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:10 | 2835253 rufusbird
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What is with all the hypervigelance this morning?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:12 | 2835262 Remington IV
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vote Ron Paul ... it's not too late

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:38 | 2835345 El_Puerco
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RON PAUL!...Hey!, where are you?....




Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:14 | 2835267 mmanvil74
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Anyone else puzzled as to why hoarding cash is the best prescription for too much money printing?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:22 | 2835294 silver surfer 2112
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Because one hopes that opportunity will present itself before cash becomes worthless. Actually, money printing is being replaced by rehypothicated derivatives so anything "real" will be very valuable once they implode. Rumor has it that global currency collapse is the goal and that one gold backed currency will then be issued.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:33 | 2835327 El_Puerco
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Do you REALLY want to know who someone is? ... The reason you came here is because your sick of it and you want to get to them, am I right?..



Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2835393 slightlyskeptical
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The FED can only destroy the current financial system, they can't destroy the world.  The labor pool and the neccesary resources will still exist. A new system will emerge which will be of greater benefit to mankind.

So basically Bernanke is doing the right thing by destroying the current financial system.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 13:13 | 2835921 sink critically
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The problem isn't the printing of fiat currency, the problem is accepting it in trade for tangible goods and services. Stop the madness!

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