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Guest Post: Netanyahu’s Red Line

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Submitted by John Aziz from Azizonomics

Netanyahu’s Red Line

Netanyahu wants a red line on nuclear proliferation in the Middle East:

Where exactly should we draw it?

As Justin Raimondo notes:

Here is a nation which refuses to even admit it acquired nukes long ago, and which disdains the Nonproliferation Treaty, making the case for war against a neighbor that has indeed signed the NPT and is abiding by its requirements.

 

That treaty gives Tehran the right to develop nuclear power. Furthermore, there is zero evidence Iran is embarked on a nuclear weapons program: our own intelligence community tells us they gave that up in 2003 and show no signs of resuming it. Their own religious and political leaders have denounced the possession of nuclear weapons as sinful: the Israelis, on the other hand, haven’t bothered reassuring us they would never use the nuke they won’t admit they have.

 

In a rational world, Israel would be in the dock, answering for its unwillingness to come out of the nuclear closet and admit what the whole world knows by now.

The West has sent out a message that the only way for unpopular regimes to avoid invasion is to obtain nuclear weapons. North Korea sought and obtained nuclear weapons and their vicious and economically-failed regime has stayed in power. Qaddafi gave up his nuclear ambitions, and was soon deposed by British, French and American airpower. If Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon — and the CIA and Mossad, as well as the IAEA agree they that they are not currently doing so — perhaps the fact that nuclear-armed Israel and the nuclear-armed United States keep threatening non-nuclear Iran with attack has something to do with it?

And even assuming that they are going for a nuclear weapon, how close is Iran to a nuclear weapon? According to former IAEA consultant Clinton Bastin, possibly as much as ten to fifteen years away:

Dear Prime Minister Netanyahu:

 

Iran may be in your red zone, but can not score.

 

Sure, Iran could divert a few tons of 3.5% or a ton of 20% enriched uranium hexaflouride gas for enrichment to 90+%. But what then?

No one has ever made a nuclear weapon from gas. It must be converted to metal and fabricated into components which are then assembled with high explosives.

 

Iran lacks experience with and facilities for these processes which are very dangerous because of potential for a criticality accident or nuclear explosion. Iran would not jeopardize its important, fully safeguarded nuclear programs by an attempt to have a deliverable, one kiloton yield nuclear weapon ten to fifteen years later.

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: North Korea was able to make and test a nuclear explosive soon after withdrawing from safeguards because plutonium for reactor recycle was in a form usable for a weapon.

So let’s be clear about who is threatening who:

How would Americans feel if Iran had stationed troops and aircraft on the Mexican and Canadian borders and conducted military excursions into American territory, including funding and training armed dissidents to overthrow the American government (as happened to Iran in 1953 when America overthrew a democratically-elected Iranian government and imposed a dictatorship there)? How would Americans feel if Iran, Russia and China were blowing up American scientists and using computer viruses to attack American infrastructure? How would Americans feel if Iran, Russia and China imposed sanctions on America that led to hyperinflation of the dollar?  Under those circumstances, would America not seek the means to defend itself?

Iran is not blameless, and continues to provoke Israel through its support for Hamas and Hezbollah and through eliminationist rhetoric. But given the level of provocation from the Israeli and American side, it is astonishing that Iran remains free of nuclear weapons. Yet it is a fact that Iran is not armed with nuclear weapons, and it remains a fact that Iran has not attacked nor occupied any foreign lands since World War 2. Iran is not an expansionistic country.

As neocon provocateur Patrick Clawson essentially admitted in advocating for a false flag attack to get America to war, Iran is not likely to attack either the United States or Israel. So when it comes to drawing red lines, we in the West would do well to draw a red line around our behaviour — because right now, we in the West are the ones who are stirring up trouble by threatening to strike first.

 


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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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So many targets, so little time before the election.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Dalago
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These Zionist, Neoconservatives need to stop manipulating the American's into do their dirty work and actually fight their own fights.

This think tank below details Israel's plan.  Mitt Romney takes it deep from these people.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

 

ALSO Israel created the largest refugee camp in history.  The Nazi's would be delighted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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WMD-They have a cannonball!

We're in trouble now.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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we ned another holocaust movie to get everyone to feel pity for the jews. not enough holocaust movies out there.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Dalago
Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Iran is not blameless, and continues to provoke Israel through its
support for Hamas and Hezbollah and through eliminationist rhetoric.

Seriously, John?  Is this what your analysis leads you to conclude or is this what you heard on CNN?

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Obama 2012 Campaign slogan:

...

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'For War (d)'

That about sums it up in one word

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment mudduck
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Lol. I was also looking for the ACME label on that chart/cartoon bomb he is holding.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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What is everyone so upset about?  That's just a fundraising graphic...he's raising money for Iran's nuclear program.

They've already raised 90% of their goal!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment redpill
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In these topics I find it odd it is rarely mentioned that Pakistan already has nuclear weapons.  I understand Pakistan is not always included in a strict definition of the "Middle East" but then again neither is Libya or Turkey, and they somehow make the infographic.

Pakistan would be an interesting subject for several reasons:

- One would think they could much more rapidly become an immediate threat to "US interests" than Iran as they already have a nuclear arsenal, and a notoriously volatile body politic.

- It's shown that a self-described Islamic Republic (that was hiding Public Enemy #1 no less!) possessing nuclear weapons does not mean armageddon is imminent.

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal going unmentioned suggests the alarmism over Iran is overstated.  So I can see why the neo-cons that want Iran bombed wouldn't bring it up, but why doesn't anyone else?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Paul Bogdanich
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I read where a person in attendance when he used that chart tweeted, "Wiley E. Coyote wants his bomb back."  To me it reminded me of Mad Magazine and Captain Klutz.  Ether way that was the oddest graphic I think I have ever seen.  I personally found it laughable but that's just me.  Just packed woith information and no though to the propaganda value I suppose.  In my particular estimation the porblems with Iran should be taken seriously, Netanyahu should not. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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beware of politicians and charts

 

NathanYahoo.

 

Why US even gives a shit about zionists....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Mosul-Haifa_oil_pipeline.svg

 

ironic thing is once US invades Iran, US secured all of ME oil, so she is less dependent on Israel as an "ally"

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment V in PA
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Pakistan doesn't trade oil for gold. They are allowed to have all the nukes they want.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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yes, they only transfer 100,000 to folks accused of perpetrating 911

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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Pakistan and India got the bomb before anyone could do anything about it; or if they tried to stop them, they failed.  With Iran not quite having the bomb yet, the West is trying to prevent additional proliferation in an area that is a powderkeg of hostility.

And by the way, it would be more likely that Israel uses their nukes if Iran gets a nuke.  With Iran not yet having a nuke, Israel is not going to nuke Iran.   Convential weapons -- maybe, but not nukes.

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment redpill
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That seems a little bit backwards.  The only time nukes have ever been used in history was against an enemy that didn't have them, otherwise why would you nuke someone that had a nuke to respond with?  That's the entire point behind Mutually Assured Destruction.  That's why both India and Pakistan have a bomb.  That's why Iran wants a bomb.  That's why just about everyone wants a bomb that doesn't already have the de-facto protection of the US military.  If you want to get treated with respect, build a bomb and the US will talk to you and try to make you an ally.  If you don't build a bomb, they'll feel free to bully you and try to convince the UN that you're going to destroy the world.  

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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I appreciate that.  In this particular situation, I am suggesting there is an irony here in that I think Iran is "safer" (its citizens and property) if Iran does not have a nuclear arsenal, because in the hands of, in my opinion, a misguided leader, Iran may actually be willing to take that shot against Israel in a 1st strike.  Then of course Israel will respond in kind.  That's what I meant by Israel being more likely to use their nukes against Iran.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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if you want to take nukes out of the hands of "misguided" leaders, you'll need a lot of trucks 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 18:55 | Link to Comment snowlywhite
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it's not about Israel; really, if they'd get a bomb, the chances of it actually reaching Israel are nil.

 

But: get a bomb; few hundred miles away, on the other side, lies, what... a huge % of world oil. You can reach a couple of hundred miles(Saddam's canon, anyone?). Who'd dare to attack you anymore? Iran getting a bomb and the ability to trash oil exploatation on the other side of the gulf means they'd be invulnerable(not because they'd detonate - noone uses nukes - but because they could detonate).

 

That's why everyone's fretting about; it's not like there's any chance in hell Iran would attack Israel, bomb or no bomb. There're exactly 0 reasons why Iran would target Israel(and if you look at their policy post revolution, it's one of the most coherent external policies around - sure, with a bit of luck, given US stupidity to actually serve them Iraq for free, but hey... better be lucky than good).

 

A muslim state, invulnerable and with the ability to sell it's oil to whoever they want, in what currency they want. That's the whole issue...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"A Middle East war MAY be immanent"

Did you listen to Netanyahu's speech?  He folded until next year at the earliest.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Fuck you, Bibi.

And, get a real suit.  Looks like you shop at Goodwill ya cheapskate.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Precious
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Think that's bad?  Wait till you see his attack plan.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Advantage: Precious.+1

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment larz
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Hey Goodwill is an excellent shop!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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That may be so (4 junks) however if you are trying to sell mass genocide to world leaders, you'd want to look better than your Uncle Morty after 3 hours of wedding buffet.  Real slick, Bibi.

My final word: Iran is safe. At least Ahmadinnerjacket tries to look modern and European-slick (lmao at myself).

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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Reminds me of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCahPTDXgJY

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Life imitates art.

Reminds me of Star Trek when Capt Picard said (far more convincingly), "The line must be drawn here."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ&feature=related

Next up:  Resistance is futile.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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The Borgs speak Cantonese, English or Yiddish?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment mkhs
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English.  And you may have seen signs of your assimilation: coke cola, Mcdonald, Starbuck,...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment 10mm
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As long as Americans line up as cannon fodder,not gonna happen.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Precious
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Excerpt from "A Clean Break", authored by Pearl in 1996 for Netanyahu:

"To emphasize the point that Israel regards the actions of the PLO problematic, but not the Arab people ...

Sounds like the same distinction that Ahmadinejad makes about Israeli Zionists, in distinction to Jewish people.  


Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Good thing they replaced the PLO with Hamas, eh?

PROGRESS, baybee!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Blazed
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Yes, they are complete control freak thugs, not just bankster extraordinaires.

“Our armed forces are not the thirteenth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third…We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…We have the capability to take the world down with us, and I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

—Martin Van Creveld, professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's called the Samson option, named after the world's first recorded suicide terrorist.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Dalago
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If they can't control the world, no one can.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Looking at statements like that, and the map of US military bases surrounding them -- Iran WOULD BE STUPID not to be building nukes. 

What they should war game is something like this.  Buy a nuke from one of their friends or the break away former soviet countries.  (Or bluff that you have one).  Threaten to give it to a terrorist org who will launch it over the Persian Gulf fleet, if the US doesn't back the fuck off. Or launch it over the Saudi oil terminals.  Or any number of hugely damaging options.

My guess is Obama/Romney would talk tough but find a way to delay attacking forever.  Knowing they have no way of finding and stopping it, there would be no other choice.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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 Major banks hit with biggest cyberattacks in history

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/27/technology/bank-cyberattacks/

Should read - Major banks hit with biggest False Flag cyberattacks in history

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment CPL
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Anonymous and other groups have nothing scheduled.  Things are quiet.  Maybe OWS but they don't have the tech support to do that.  Their focus is staying warm, eating and writing some really corny political blogs  (It was a dark and stomry protest...I wept for lenin.).  Not sure if it's silly or serious half the time.

So no, nothing planned school has started and after school sports seasons started with kids and the younger crews are starting semester.  

Timing of it is wrong and it looks like a botnet if the other articles on the subject are right.  Too big for Anonymous and far too distributed.  Someone probably figured out a security hole for a remote execution call on something.  Too many bots for it not to be.

 

-- an example of Size and Scope

The I love you virus that ate my and every other engineer/techs two months in the 90's was a DDoS attack.  instead of using ping packets it used mail and the user's own lack of information.

"Shit!  I love you too hunny"  double click...boom.  Send email to everyone you've ever talked to and the Global address list.  Then the hard drive fill up with I love you a Bjillion times, you pull the network card, disable the MTA and you bring a sleeping bag to work and pray some fucker didn't grab his PST and bring it home on sixty floppies.  (God it was shitty, still is that shitty.)  For those that had email then, I'm positiive you can relate the sheer scale of annoyance it provided everyone for months because of logistics and the fact nobody seen anything like it or expected it.

 

I've been tracking somethign happening in the Apple universe that I've never seen in 25 years.  Rapid mutation and evolution of Apple computer viruses, every week there is something meaner than the last week.  It'll only be a matter of time until whoever is doing it figure out how to inject the kernel with something and everything on the Apple product is suspect.  For the older geeks, remember low level format instead of organising RAW with a file optimization format?  It's heading back that direction and I have no clue why anyone would do that for a couple of reasons.

It's very creepy because humans don't write, test and compile code that fast even in a team building useful apps with full permissions and a million dollars worth of lab equipment.  I think something is out of it's cage and mutating or it was built to do it.  This last point is my geek tin foil hat and can be completely disregarded, it's embarrasing even mentioning it.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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I love You... I was sitting in a NOC when this hit our servers. Our guys were busy racing to stop it before it wiped us clean. I spent my time looking for the employee that executed it. Funnier than hell, even with our company issuing a detailed security warning, a woman sitting 20 feet away from me was the one who did it.

After the dust settled I asked her if she had read the warning. She said YES. I asked then why did you open it?

She said she was curious.

Creepy indeed. Flame predates Stuxnet and Kapersky claims 100% that the teams who developed each colaborated at least once. To me the code is out there for whoever wants to pay and it is a Swiss Army knife in the right hands.

I hate when anyone opens Pandora's box.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment CPL
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It's like mustard gas, everyone swears to never touch them ever again or teach of their existence for a better future but an asshole always has something hidden away.  Or worse those batches of CD's sony send out with the root kit viruses on them.   God that was bad as well.  Secretaries playing their Garth Brooks and I think the Titanic soundtrack.  There was a hand full of them that ripped apart the systems.  Literally had to pull the drive and ship it for processing or destroy it to the platter to make sure you never accidentally used it.  Flame was awful, clever though.  Smart as a bug and grew fast considering it was supposed to be a measurement tool.

 

This sort of behaves like that, not sure what it is exactly but it's definately not a phishing scheme.  Just noticing a lot of Apple users asking how to fix things on Linux forums that are strange.  I know the Apple geniuses aren't that useless, but it becomes a trend when when seeing them asking for assistance on browser redirectors, files vanishing, passwords changing, and banks getting stepped on...smells like the spring is curling back for something big. 

 

The DDoS attack could just as well be on the webserver.  Not uncommon either.  Something creeps in, co-ops it and uses the Akaimai routing to xcopy itself around the planet.  Good place to hide because the AV in them is non-existant.  It's a big box of ram, why would you need to protect it?  Or maybe something with iScsi, there a piece of shit standard if there ever was one.  Hope layer 6 and 7 catch the problem before shipping it around a distributed SAN environment.  Bank use it because they have branches everywhere and it's multicast ready/cheap to use.

 

Clobbering a bank means you have bandwidth out the wazoo as well.  Banks invented OC96 standards to ship information the size of the entire contents of the library of congress from east to left coast in twelve seconds.  So that's the measuring stick.  The articles are stating the ATM's went tits up which means either some sort of iScsi because bank machine transactions are airgap based.  The Host drops file in folder X and the IScsi disk acts as the intermediary to act as transport layer 2.  Very common, but requires someon inside the shop to drop the file.  Banks aren't called banks for nothing, they are the standard by how CISSP certification is based.

 

Means they have an internal person problem.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment CPL
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Next time he'll use sock puppets to turn up the heat on his big presentation.

 

So stupid.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment pods
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That sure looks like a presentation to equals, no?

Sheds a little light on what Bebe really thinks.

pods

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment CPL
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I suppose it beats watching some dumbass fumble for an HDMI cable to hook up to their smart phone for the big meeting, then remember the presentation was on their laptop.  

 

He was smart enough to bring in the Maccaroni card board art with some scribbles on them of the cartoon bomb picture.  No need for HDMI ports there.  He may have to look around for a while to find his pride...might be on his laptop next to the real presentation.

 

They are all true and consumate civil servants aren't they, and the value they provide the public in recycling oxygen is unparalleled as a value add. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"That sure looks like a presentation to equals, no?

Sheds a little light on what Bebe really thinks."

 

That in 90 of the 180 or so countries represented, per capita GDP is below $9000 and the delegates made it to NYC by being most effective at ripping off their citizens, or at least for being closely related to someone with that skill?   If I were in the Congolese (GDP/cap $375) or the Liberian delegation (GDP/cap $577), I would be offended.

When does the shrimp bar open, and is the US or Japan buying?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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He needs pictures for the idiots in the general assembly of the UN.....anything more complicated than 2 + 2 is over the head of that crowd...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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Netanyahu's sock puppets are none other than the talking heads of America's MSM. They never turn off the "heat."

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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"Iran close to bomb.  Hmmmm...haven't I heard that one before?"  --Rip Van Winkle

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment monogratis
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What a lazy ass couldn't even put it into a PowerPoint presentation...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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He drew the picture simple enough even congress can understand it is a cartoon.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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Best laugh of the day so far.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:10 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Spy vs Spy cartoonery lifted from Mad Magazine. Did he pass out the chosen special glasses that begin working after the first punch?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment SilverTree
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Bom-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Catchy tune.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Budd: I don't dodge guilt, and I don't Jew out of paying my comeuppance.

Bill: Can't we just forget the past?

Budd: That woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die, but then again, so does she.  So, I guess we'll just see.  Won't we?

 

The governments of Israel, Iran, and America are ALL murdering bastards.  

There is no innocence among them.

We are all living in an Tarantino action movie...don't be suprised when there is blood.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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         "The governments of Israel, Iran, and America are ALL murdering bastards.  There is no innocence among them."

Name 1 government that does not have blood on its hands. Lets not forget the Palestinians, Egyptians, Russians, Chinese, Armenia, Turkey etc etc.....Less government is better

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment larz
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Where exactly IS a government that are NOT murdering bastards?? Throughout history even??

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment larz
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Where exactly IS a government that are NOT murdering bastards?? Throughout history even??

 

oops sorry for redundancy knight too late to stop

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment falak pema
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That Nutty guy looks like Groucho in Duck soup. All he needs is the mustache and the cigar.

"I'll have one of that and two of the other, waiter! And make em come pronto, I'm famished."

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment CH1
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Someone got inside his head and is pulling strings... wildly.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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Many have copied this presentation style since '92, but no one has done it quite as well as Ross Perot.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Perot was my first opportunity to vote in any election and I took it.  It's amazing, as apathetic and ignorant I was to monetary and fiscal policy, the the constant bombardment of media brainwashing and higher education I was absorbed in during that time didn't have the elite's desired effect upon me. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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The same evil fucks that have been manipulating the goyim for thousands of years are still in power.  "Shocker".

Look at the map, half of the countries in that area already have nuclear weapons you dumb fucks.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Has the MSM ever uttered the word/term "PetroDollar"????????

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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You are starting to sound like a conspiracy loony.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Jake88
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the only loonies are the idiots who think there are no conspiracies. the petrodollar is exactly what this is all about for the US.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment pods
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That sounded like sarcasm, you know, for the LULZ.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Petrodollar? What's that? ...never heard of it. Is that like gift money for petsmart?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment pods
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No, it is what they call the cash back for the Exxon Mobil credit cards.

pods

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Obama gas cards? Where can I sign up for those???

Same place as my Obama phone and Obama food card?????

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The three photo's  with their captions in this post says everything we need to know. Everything else is just noise.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment P.T.Bull
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Iran a victim? Not buying it. But I do have the libertarian opinion that we should get the US out of the middle east.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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May I suggest a quick Googling of the words "Mossadegh", "Privatization" and "Coup".

You can also add CIA to the mix. "WIld Bill" Donovan will take you even deeper.

It's quite the rabbit hole, this UK/US Vs. Iran story.

I'd say Iranians are victims. 

ori

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment digalert
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Iran signed the non-nuclear-proliferation treaty, Israel has not. Iran allows IAEA inspections, while Israel doesn't even admit having nuclear weapons.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Gashole
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Almost right.

 

Israel has never signed the nonproliferation treaty

 

Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea all signed and broke it.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment mkkby
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The US signed the ABM treaty and dozens of treaties with native american nations.  Not even worth a green cotton bennie buck.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Zen Bernanke
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You're an idiot for attempting to assign any blame on Israel.  so what if they have nuclear weapons.  they have never blown up innocent civilians in any other country in the name of a prophet or their infantile Jihad.  they have never sponsored and funded terrorists that lob rockets into their neighbors countries.  they have never threatend to wipe their neighbors off the face of the earth or turn their country into sheets of glass, when they obviously have the technology to do so.    If Ahmedenjihad wasn't such a holocaust denying, terrorist sponsoring provocateur,  Netanyahu wouldn't need to be drawing any redlines.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment BlowsAgainstthe...
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" . . . they have never blown up innocent civilians in any other country in the name of a prophet . . ."

You're right - there is a big difference. The Israelis only use conventional means such as bombs, shells, bullets and bulldozers to kill and dispossess innocent civilians.  All in the name of the Promised Land. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment kralizec
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What innocent civilians?  You referring to those wretches of humanity that were kicked out of every other Muslim nation in the area and dumped into Israel & Jordan?  If fellow Muslims don't want them why would anybody?  And innocent civilians don't lob grenades at people, strap bombs to women and retards and other such crap.  Get a clue.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Excuse me there Mr/Mrs. Get a Clue, I think it's you no one wants.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment BlowsAgainstthe...
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Asymmetric warfare is a bitch.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment BlowsAgainstthe...
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Asymmetric warfare is a bitch.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Jake88
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You are exactly right. Innocent civilians don't do those crimes, nonetheless Israel kills the defensless innocent children of their neighbors.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment armagediontimes
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So all refugees automatically lose their innocence and civilian status purely because they are are refugees - outstanding logic, well done!

There is a long list of people who by any normal usage of the English language would qualify as innocent civilians but who have nonetheless been killed or maimed by US manufactured weaponry operated by Israeli personnel. Given the existence of such a long and undisputed list it is surprising that you feel the need to expand upon that list by introducing obviously bogus candidates such as those who "lob grenades" or strap bombs either to themselves or to others. 

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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Israel gets hit with missiles daily from Gaza, suicide bombers, they have been attacked many times by their neighbors. Hamas which controls Gaza does not recognize Israel's right to exist, nor does Hezbollah in Lebanon....Both of those groups are armed and funded by Iran.....

If Mexico had lobbed half as many missiles into Southern California, as Hamas has into Israel, I think Mexico would be glass.....

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Any recollection of why Hezbollah declared war on Israel?

(Just curious how effective the propaganda is these days...)

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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Whose propaganda? You seem to believe that they are justified in attacking Israel. So who have you been listening to?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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You don't know, do you?

Psst: you're on the INTERNET.  You could LEARN SOMETHING.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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I read a lot, and have learned a lot over the years.....

From Wiki..."Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.[7] Its leaders were inspired by Ayatollah Khomeini, and its forces were trained and organized by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards"

Yea they look completely rational to me

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Bravo!

Yes, Hezbollah was an organization FOUNDED with the goal of driving the Israeli occupation out of Lebanon.

"Rationality" isn't so much of an issue.  You could just as well ask how "rational" it is to invade and occupy a country during a civil war. But why bother?  You might even wonder how "rational" it is to annex a large swath of territory without killing or cleansing the inhabitants somehow?

History *starts* at whichever point is most convenient to support the argument you're trying to make.  Which argument is that, exactly?

It was a long time ago that I realized that just because one of the guys in a fistfight is an asshole, it does not follow that the OTHER guy isn't one, too.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment pods
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Wow, you better copyright that quick.

History *starts* at whichever point is most convenient to support the argument you're trying to make.

That is a fantastic point!

pods

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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as is this gem,

It was a long time ago that I realized that just because one of the guys in a fistfight is an asshole, it does not follow that the OTHER guy isn't one, too.

 threads be whippin' the crowds to a frenzy today, I see. 

braying (m)asses. . .

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment gaf12
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You're right - history starts at a convenient place for your argument.  You've started at the 1982 invasion of Lebanon but that may be a wee bit too far to the right to fully explain your original question (why did the terror organization Hezbollah declare war on Israel?).   Because of the invasion into Lebanon... go ahead, you can say it... because the PLO tried to assassinate their UK ambassador and because they had encamped 15,000 soldiers in various locations in southern Lebanon.  The PLO also staged hundreds of T34's and Syria not only allowed this, but sent SAM's as well.

Ding, ding, ding - you get a prize!

So yes, my point starts a year earlier.  And a follow up point could go further back still.  And in a thousand years, we'd still be going backward, I get it.  My issue with this article is that it's written by a well-documented apologist for all things anti-American (various points from various articles he's written): 

We're stirring up the hornets’ nest. 

We get what we deserve. 

Our ambassador was killed because of a crappy YouTube video that no one watched until the terrorist attack.  

Iran wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many pesky Jews around. 

What a bunch of lazy arguments.  I don't want to have to say "I told you so".  That's too expensive a price.  But when Iran develops an atomic weapon, that's what I'll say to this author - because they'll use it.  That's not propaganda speaking, that's watching, listening, and reading their words and actions.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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      But when Iran develops an atomic weapon, that's what I'll say to this author - because they'll use it. 

Lazy arguments, yeah, hate 'em.

There's not a single piece of evidence to suggest your claim is true, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment onebir
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Yes, Hezbollah was an organization FOUNDED with the goal of driving the Israeli occupation out of Lebanon.

So why pray are they still going, 12 years after withdrawal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_conflict_(1982%E2%80%932000)#2000:_Israeli_withdrawal

That's serious mission creep.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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That's a good question, you'd have to really dig into it to get a thorough answer.  But briefly: it's because Hezbollah is a more effective government these days than those tokens in Beirut.

There's a significant group of folks so poorly represented that they're supporting "amateur" governance.

Consider that the same alternative exists for folks unhappy with the Feds in the US.  We're just too well-fed to have reached that level of frustration (or desperation?) so far.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment niccolo and donkey
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Both Meir Dagan, ex-Mossad chief, and Gabi Ashkenazi, ex-IDF head have publicly stated that the Iranian regime is rational.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Let's assume for the sake of argument you're right about all of that (you're not, but let's assume you are).

It's still a freaking goddamn awful and dangerous idea for Israel to attack Iran. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Less dangerous than letting 12th Imam yearning Persians acquiring nuclear weapons?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Remember Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Anyway, even if Iran do get nukes, Pakistan are arguably crazier and loonier and I don't see them destroying Tel Aviv. Israel's nuclear submarines might have something to do with that....

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Iran getting nukes is OK and they are less loony than the Pak's...

OK then, I for one am not looking forward to a mushroom cloud proving that idea is wrong.

At least India is a check on Pak's eastern flank...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Fuckin' warmongering chickenhawk.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment resurger
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Aziz, thank you for that nuclear graph.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment CH1
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Get a grip. The Iranian bosses are wack-jobs, but the Iranian people are not. (Save for a few exceptions.) They are VERY secular and don't want the religious crazies.

Reality matters.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Reality seems to indicate the whack-jobs are going full speed ahead on nuclear processing and the people are not in open rebellion trying to throw the crazies out, so...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment adamas
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USS Liberty

operation cast lead

lebanon invasion

deliberate starvation of Gaza

settlement of west bank

clearing of palestinian villages 

illegal possession of nuclear weapons

manipulation of US internal politics via use of sayanim in media / law /hollywood etc

your comment is fuckin naive at best

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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illegal possession of nuclear weapons  ?????????????? Really...A sovereign nation can possess what it wants...Iran could too if they weren't run by fanatics hoping to bring back the 12th Imam. Dumb

 

settlement of west bank  ????? Seriously??? To the victors go the spoils....Should we give back the SW to Mexico? The rest of the country to the Indians? Should the Norman descendants all leave England and give it back to the native Saxons? Apparently only Israelis have to give back what they win.....

 

manipulation of US internal politics via use of sayanim in media / law /hollywood etc??????? Again seriously??? Name a country that does not do this, and that we do not try to influence as well? But again to an Anti-Semite, only the Joooos are guilty of it

 

Your hatred is palpable

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"A sovereign nation"

 

I lol'd.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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They have never blown up innocent civillians ... WTF? 

You need to go back to school grasshoppa'

Everyone knows by now that killing innocents is what the IDF specializes in.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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OK I have to call bullshit when I see it and this article is bullshit. It was probably written by Ahmedenjihad to try and justify his actions. Mr Zen Bernanke, appearently all these people giving you down votes have never heard of Hezbollah, which recieves it money and weapons from Iran, and Syria.  Oh and the fact that Iran currently has its military in Syria to assist that government in the slaughter of its own people.  The fact is the little monkey face asshole is not even liked by his own people becuase they too realize he will only lead them to destruction with his missguided polices that can only be compared to Adolf Hitler. I suppose these negitive voting people also forget the last Iranian election that the Iranian people protested becuase Ahmedenjihad suppressed oposition votes, which then led to massive street protest. How did he treat his own population then?  These people either don't follow the news much or have an extremely short attention span.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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they have never blown up innocent civilians in any other country

 

Sure they have:

 

The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on 22 July 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization the Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.[1][2][3] 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.[4]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Hey Bibi, Colin Powell called.

He wants his graphics back.

Fucker.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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Coming soon: Bibi at the UN, holding up a "nucular" device a la Colin Powell's vial-of-anthrax stunt.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment CheapPanderingCrony
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The Author is WRONG. Iran regulary attacks both Israel and killed numerous American soldiers, in Lebanon, and in Iraq. It does this through its proxies. Iran arms, funds and trains both Hizbulla and Hamas. It is iranian missles that were fired from Lebanon. Much like Iranian soldiers today participate in the massacres taking place in Syria.

The author is throwing sand in everyone's eyes. Iran will never directly use its own army or launch attack from its own land unless absolutely necessary. Its uses its fanatic proxies and trained mercenaries to attack others in other locations.

And that's another reason that Iran needs to be stopped. Iran is already involved in fighting across the middle east. Providing arms and training. Sending its soldeirs to manage the wars on other territory. And If Iran got the bomb, it would give it leverage as its never before had. Being able to threaten Arab sunni states which today they are at an undeclared war with, such as Saudi Arabia.

Iran attacks Israel on a regular basis, just because its not doing so from its own territory doesn't contractic this fact.

And the author is lying to readers by not acknoledging this fact.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Seorse Gorog fr...
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Maybe Iran can get their fanatic proxy Amerika to pre-emptively strike Israel for weapons they DO have.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Aziz
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"Iran is not blameless, and continues to provoke Israel through its support for Hamas and Hezbollah and through eliminationist rhetoric."

Supporting terror groups that attack Israel does not equal attacking Israel. If it did, then the USA and Israel are attacking Iran through their support of MEK (Marxist-Islamists now embraced by a variety of American politicians such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton)

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment CheapPanderingCrony
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Yes, supporting terror groups with Weapons and soldiers that are attacking Israel is equal to attacking Israel. Thanks for playing.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Okay then so the USA and Israel are directly attacking Iran too?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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It's a little more than MEK.

lsrael has been murdering scientists and b.owing up busses in Iran for some time now.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment kralizec
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"nuclear" scientists to be specific.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Are all nuclear scientists targets for assassination? The US and Israel have plenty.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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yep we are already in a low scale war, using proxies....

Much like most of the cold war...Russia and the USA didn't attack directly, but used proxies....Russia invades Afghanistan, we arm and train mujahadeen....

The difference is that Russia never advocated wiping the USA off the map....Only the leaders of Iran have argued that Israel must be destroyed. Israel is only talking about destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, not carpet bombing cities.

Israel has done the same thing with Iraq and Syria in the past.......

I do not want another war in the Middle East, but if there is one, the USA should NOT play.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment V in PA
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+1 for your last sentence.

Fuck the Eastern Hemisphere. Bring all our troops back to the Western Hemisphere and let the other side of the planet beat the shit out of each other. And sell arms to both sides.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Except that black gold powers our entire way of life, mostly our war machines.

 

As long as their oil is available from that region, USA will be in the middle of it. 

 

Once that oil is no longer available under any circumstance, then USA will be gone. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment CheapPanderingCrony
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Really dipshit? Has Israel ever threatened to annihilate Iran, or any other country for that matter? I know you conspiracy theory freaks the "zionists" are responsible for all the ills of the world. Hell, you probably believe the Jooz are controlling Iran and want to launch a war to take over Europe or some crap like that. Get a life.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment Desp
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Can you provide a source for your "Annihilate Israel" comment you're alluding too? See the thing is I used to believe similiarily to you, that well... Iran was a rogue batshit crazy country that just wanted to kill kill kill!! But then I started doing some research, and instead of listening to what the media TELLS people, find and read the stories for yourself, actually go and READ the speech the media twists to fit their agenda... This is how the media does it...

"Iran said they are going to ANNIHILATE ISRAEL!!!!"

Iran actually says "The Zionist extremism must be eliminated".

Go read Amadinejad's speech from last year and then this year at the UN assembly. If you recall in the news some things were said:

"Amadinejad says America did 9/11!"

Amadinejad actually says a lot of the facts remain a mystery and more comprehensive investigation should be performed.

Stop listening to the media, stop letting them implant their thoughts into your mind, use some critical thinking to see what is ACTUALLY happening. Every country uses it's state sponsored propaganda machine to control the people. No one is going to "TELL" you the truth, you have to find that for yourself, any media/news/company is going to TELL you what profits them or their owners.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Iwanttoknow
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The source is MEMRI.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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" I know you conspiracy theory freaks the "zionists" are responsible for all the ills of the world. Hell, you probably believe the Jooz are controlling Iran and want to launch a war to take over Europe or some crap like that."

No, we understand that there's a huge difference between zionists and "Jooz."

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Really dipshit? Has Israel ever threatened to annihilate Iran, or any other country for that matter?

 

Israel wouldn't exist if  Zionists hadn't carried out numerous terrorist attacks in Transjordan. The nation of Israel was built upon terrorism. Read some history.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Desp
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Like how America is funding the terrorist, or wait, are they allies now, Al-Qaeda to overthrow Libya government and how they helped put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt? Or how about the MILLIONS of civilians have been killed from drone strikes to "Kill Terrorist" which happen to be standing next to pipelines they want to blow up.

You're not acknowledging the fact of Israel assassinating Iran scientist or America sending them computer viruses. The whole thing is fucked and THEY ALL are to blame.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Overfed
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The US supports various fanatical terror groups all over the world when it suit US "interests". None of you warmongering chickenhawks have a problem with US proxies killing innocents, but gawd forbid Iran take a que from our playbook and use it.

All of you warmongering chickenhawks fail to take into account that it's entirely the fault of the US that Iran has the gov't that it has today.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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The chickenhawks are just a bunch of moochers who want others to pay and to die for their irrational fears.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Everything Aziz writes is correct.

What worries me is;

Why is I'madiinerjacket so cocky ?

A lot of assuming going on here,and we all know what that makes

the commentators.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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He's a religious zealot.

And religious zealots tend to be fucking stupid.

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Prove that.Not with MSM translations either please.

Sure he's a politician and every word spoken is a default lie,

but what else do you have ?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Israel doesn't have the hardware to attack Iran effectively.

It's that simple.

The only way Israel can attack Iran is with the direct aid of the US, which is not forthcoming.

What's Ahmadinnerguy have to worry about?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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What else? ... let's see

How 'bout he's a Jew?

For some reason no one wants to talk about it, but appearently, he was born a Jew.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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What else? ... let's see

How 'bout he's a Jew?

For some reason no one wants to talk about it, but appearently, he was born a Jew.

google telegraph mahmoud born jewish

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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hahaha, you just can't make this shit up!

it is all so fucking absurd.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment Madeira
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"Yet it is a fact that Iran is not armed with nuclear weapons, and it remains a fact that Iran has not attacked nor occupied any foreign lands since World War 2. Iran is not an expansionistic country."

 

Agree... We in the West are the terorrists and attackers. It's goes back to the romans, colonialists, Columbus etc etc...

This is a very good time to stop the insanity :)

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Kayman
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" It's goes back to the romans, colonialists, Columbus etc etc..."

And Mohamed spread the word through love and preaching ?  I think a few million heads were sliced off.  No ?

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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O.T.

Here you go Florida the Posse Comitatus Act is dead:

"F.S. 2011 Ch790 Weapons and Firearms

790.001 Definitions (8) "Law enforcement officer" means:

(c) Members of the Armed Forces of the (The Corporation of the) United States, the organized reserves, state militia, or Florida National Guard,

when on duty, when preparing themselves for, or going to or from, military duty, or under orders."

Have a great day!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"Members of the Armed Forces of the (The Corporation of the) United States"

 

discuss. 

(when the credits of yer "Tarantino movie" finally roll on yer screens. . .)

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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(The Corporation of the)

evl, is that in the actual Definition or did you make that edit?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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from the document I've found online - each word preceding is a "qualification" - he apparently made that edit. . .

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FSS_790_776_2012.pdf

page 3,

(8) “Law enforcement officer” means:
(a) All officers or employees of the United States or the
State of Florida, or any agency, commission, department,
board, division, municipality, or subdivision thereof, who
have authority to make arrests;

( I am sooo on the list now, right?  hahahahhhh)

oh, and just to make sure, pork.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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evl, in that case, well played

aura, in that case, fuck em

bugs bunny!

http://www.anyothername.de/space/cp/19echln/trigger.html

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Imagine Israel with control of oil.  You think Muslims are bad?

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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consider the possibility that those who control the modern political construct called Israel also control the pricing of the oil, thus effectively controlling the oil itself and that they are not divided along neatly drawn "religious" boundaries.

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