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Guest Post: Netanyahu’s Red Line
Submitted by John Aziz from Azizonomics
Netanyahu’s Red Line
Netanyahu wants a red line on nuclear proliferation in the Middle East:
Where exactly should we draw it?
As Justin Raimondo notes:
Here is a nation which refuses to even admit it acquired nukes long ago, and which disdains the Nonproliferation Treaty, making the case for war against a neighbor that has indeed signed the NPT and is abiding by its requirements.
That treaty gives Tehran the right to develop nuclear power. Furthermore, there is zero evidence Iran is embarked on a nuclear weapons program: our own intelligence community tells us they gave that up in 2003 and show no signs of resuming it. Their own religious and political leaders have denounced the possession of nuclear weapons as sinful: the Israelis, on the other hand, haven’t bothered reassuring us they would never use the nuke they won’t admit they have.
In a rational world, Israel would be in the dock, answering for its unwillingness to come out of the nuclear closet and admit what the whole world knows by now.
The West has sent out a message that the only way for unpopular regimes to avoid invasion is to obtain nuclear weapons. North Korea sought and obtained nuclear weapons and their vicious and economically-failed regime has stayed in power. Qaddafi gave up his nuclear ambitions, and was soon deposed by British, French and American airpower. If Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon — and the CIA and Mossad, as well as the IAEA agree they that they are not currently doing so — perhaps the fact that nuclear-armed Israel and the nuclear-armed United States keep threatening non-nuclear Iran with attack has something to do with it?
And even assuming that they are going for a nuclear weapon, how close is Iran to a nuclear weapon? According to former IAEA consultant Clinton Bastin, possibly as much as ten to fifteen years away:
Dear Prime Minister Netanyahu:
Iran may be in your red zone, but can not score.
Sure, Iran could divert a few tons of 3.5% or a ton of 20% enriched uranium hexaflouride gas for enrichment to 90+%. But what then?
No one has ever made a nuclear weapon from gas. It must be converted to metal and fabricated into components which are then assembled with high explosives.
Iran lacks experience with and facilities for these processes which are very dangerous because of potential for a criticality accident or nuclear explosion. Iran would not jeopardize its important, fully safeguarded nuclear programs by an attempt to have a deliverable, one kiloton yield nuclear weapon ten to fifteen years later.
IMPORTANT NOTE: North Korea was able to make and test a nuclear explosive soon after withdrawing from safeguards because plutonium for reactor recycle was in a form usable for a weapon.
So let’s be clear about who is threatening who:
How would Americans feel if Iran had stationed troops and aircraft on the Mexican and Canadian borders and conducted military excursions into American territory, including funding and training armed dissidents to overthrow the American government (as happened to Iran in 1953 when America overthrew a democratically-elected Iranian government and imposed a dictatorship there)? How would Americans feel if Iran, Russia and China were blowing up American scientists and using computer viruses to attack American infrastructure? How would Americans feel if Iran, Russia and China imposed sanctions on America that led to hyperinflation of the dollar? Under those circumstances, would America not seek the means to defend itself?
Iran is not blameless, and continues to provoke Israel through its support for Hamas and Hezbollah and through eliminationist rhetoric. But given the level of provocation from the Israeli and American side, it is astonishing that Iran remains free of nuclear weapons. Yet it is a fact that Iran is not armed with nuclear weapons, and it remains a fact that Iran has not attacked nor occupied any foreign lands since World War 2. Iran is not an expansionistic country.
As neocon provocateur Patrick Clawson essentially admitted in advocating for a false flag attack to get America to war, Iran is not likely to attack either the United States or Israel. So when it comes to drawing red lines, we in the West would do well to draw a red line around our behaviour — because right now, we in the West are the ones who are stirring up trouble by threatening to strike first.
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"I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. -Revelation 6:2"
Some interesting history and thoughts I found are here:
http://revelation2012.blogspot.com/2011/02/middle-east-chaos-what-to-learn-and.html
Snippet: "Middle East turbulence provides the perfect smokescreen for the inflationary destruction of the dollar."
Pass me the bread. The circus is about to begin.
Praise the Lord, pass the ammo, God wants us to go to war.
I know you are being sarcastic and far be it from me speak for God, but my guess is that war is the last thing he wants. That doesn't mean some crazy despots won't use his name to get what they want.
P.S. You're slipping. You forgat to stamp your name again ;->
iamnotpods
I couldn't sign that as that was the opening line from SOAD's song War from the demo video.
pods
iampods
:)
doesn't this all depend on which God we are speaking about, good dr.? if you have the patience for subtitles and can watch with a non-judgmental eye to his conclusions, you might find this interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4MXLB6SwPg
the talk is given by a man who translated the Leningrad Codex for the publishing house of the Vatican. filled with a bunch of historical tidbits seldom told about how our conception of the Abrahamic belief systems were formed.
Yep, and it seems from all the evidence that He probably wants Israel to kick it all off with a false-flag cyber attack on the American financial system.
three dipshits from hell thumbs up wwiii.
Three either understand it was sarcastic or understand the reference to a song that was decidedly anti-war.
pods
Or, at least in my case, understood both;)
Nice!
Sorry, there is no bread. But welcome to the circus anyway.
Justin Raimondo ? Hirohito O'toole ? Klaus Vargas ? Barry Saetoro ? Where do you find these NWO clowns ?
I'm disappointed how the red line was drawn on in red marker pen onto the cartoon bomb schematic. He should ask The Bernanke for a colour printer.
Even the Israelis are laughing at how former furniture salesman BibiNetanyahu looks like an idiot with his cartoon bomb
One of the funniest re-do photos of Bibi on the UN podium, from an Israeli news site ... as hilarious as if from WB7:
http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2012/09/27/4185015/41850030100098408316...
thanks for that, a laugh sorely needed here. . .
Every two or three weeks the MSM runs a story with the words "Nazi" in it.
This has been going on for as long as I can remember.
This week,
Buddhist statue found by Nazis made from meteorite.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49200089
Last week,
Germany launches Nazi war crimes probe against Philadelphia man
Published September 23, 2012
Associated Press
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/23/germany-launches-nazi-war-crimes-probe-against-philadelphia-man/#ixzz27g2FA400
Prior weeks,
February 29, 2012 9:27 AM
Are there neo-Nazis in Brooklyn? We interrupt our regular programming to bring you this dose of insanityBY Alexander Nazaryan
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pageviews/2012/02/are-there-neo-nazis-in-brooklyn-we-interrupt-our-regular-programming-to-bring-you-
Apparently someone does not like Philadelphia born Buddhists living in Brooklyn!!
I always find it weird that Pakistan has nukes; Pakistan has many Jidadists; Pakistan harboured Bin Laden; Pakistan provides haven for Taliban...
...yet the west gives billions in aid to Pakistan.
If a nuclear Iran scares people, the people should be absolutely terrified of a nuclear Pakistan, but yet no-one seems to be.
(not advocating that there should be military action against Pakistan, just that it's strange how nuclear Pakistan is "safe" while potential nuclear Iran is "dangerous")
Naaahhh,why should we be scared, we set them all up with nuclear know how.
The West gives aid to Pakistan so the High Commissioner visits key constituencies in those Western countries to urge his compatriots to vote for the party in power than showers Pakistani Government officials with foreign aid bribes
Perhaps it's because they have a central bank{ster}, and they play with U$D?
Pakistan and India built their nukes from Candu nuclear reactors that Canada built for them.
No, they built Uranium erichment plants and processed Unranium into Weapons grade U-235. Can't build bombs using Candu.
is that the only thing that seems strange here?
Surely not the only thing, but then we've just been watching a national leader addressing all the national leaders of the world with a picture of a cartoon bomb as an illustration of the need for another war...
Persia used to have quite an expansionist foreign policy under Darius and Xerxes.......then again so did Greece.......maybe the punishment is a little late....
It's getting pretty amusing now, US govt wants to invade and take over Iran because they don't sell oil in US dollars, just like Iraq, just like Lybia, but they're scared shitless of the consequences (drawing Russia, China, and India into the fight on Iran's side).
They've been doing the "Iran gonna get a nuke" song & dance three years now.
It didn't take three years to invade Iraq. Sure didn't take three years to invade Lybia.
They know Iran is the line in the sand where Asia won't permit any more US aggression, and those Asians have the biggest thermonuclear arsenal on the planet between them.
Will the US govt stop short of starting thermonuclear WWIII, where America would be wiped out?
Maybe not. Insane people might do anything.
History always repeats itself, everything is cyclical. Another War will break out, the pieces on the game board may be arranged differently this time but it's bound to happen.
Wasn't he basically saying the same thing back in the 90's (that Iran is "mere months away from developing a nuclear bomb")?
Listen Mr.Nut&Yahoo...incessantly repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
i don't know about you folks but i'm not too comfortable with a country like iran having nuclear weapons. they are a strong supporter of global terrorism and its a fact they financially and militarily support several terrorist organizations. how would you contain a nuclear armed iran who doesn't look at consequences in this world since they are driven by religious reasons? like pakistan we can bribe them but there's a big jump between today's relationship and sending billions a year in appeasement money. north korea is also bribed but that's more of a sponsored international coalition. every other nuclear armed country is at least halfway sane and realizes such arms are used as a deterrent unless a doomsday scenario unfolds. no i don't trust iran with a nuclear bomb and i support israel and the USA going in there with some surgical strikes to move their program back decades.
Pakistan is far more unstable and dangerous than Iran. however Pakistan has majority Sunni and therefore poses no threat to Saudi oil fields (or so it's hoped).
Sunnis and Shias are jockeying for power in ME. Shias have always been underdogs. Therefore they want to show the Sunnis (read Saudi royal family) up for what they are i.e. Western lackeys. Hence all this posturing by Iran. Although a great supporter of Saudis, I doubt US will attack Iran. If they destroy Iran, Sunnis will become all powerful in the ME and US will lose control over them. After all by eliminating Saddam Hussein, US strengthened the shias of ME didn't they. That should tell us something.
Peak Peace!
How long has Iran been at 90%...since 1990.
Yep, these guys must have been working on a nuke since Jesus...I say they won't be finished before the year 3000. Unless of course someone does something stupid...
Oh hang on, it's a penis enlargment ad....
Is showing a Snidely Whiplash version of a bomb funnier than thinking your Messiah is going to come out of a well after the start of a war?
Yeah, and bear suits are funny.
I'm stockpiling sticks and stones in my bunker.
Gee, that bomb he's holding looks just like the one his grandpappy used to bomb the King David Hotel.
The rogue Terror State that has illegal nukes and hasn't signed the NPT actually wants me to worry about the non-expansionist nation without nukes that has signed the NPT. And their hasbara propaganda outlets (aka "the newsmedia") push the lies of psychotic warmongers line Nuttyahoo and Avigdor Liberman non-stop. As if repetition would make their sick bullshit true. Sorry fellas, it doesn't.
"Israel" in its current iteration is something foul one scrapes off the bottom of their shoe. Once the Light Unto the Nations, under these madmen it has devolved into the Blight ONTO the Nations.
It is high time to be done with this trash. Take out Tel Aviv, Tehran is way down the list.
i have acquired a chronic case of Severe Pathological Moron Fatigue.
BooYaah!
Agree or disagree - like it or not - this shit is coming off. The petro-dollar is in its death throws and TPTB will be throwing lots of "worthless feeder" bodies at the hole in the bubble until they have the population down where they want it. You need only look at the last two WW's/economies-of-the-time to see that. And don't think China and Russia aren't already "all in" for what is to follow. They'll all get what they want.
Popcorn and beer, bitchez!
I think the Israelis really believe those peaceful followers of Islam when they say they will blow Israel off the face of the map. How silly! How can anyone believe that people who strap bombs on to themselves just to kill Jews would actually try to use the biggest bomb available? Interesting, isn’t it, that Israelis aren’t threatening to blow Islam off the face of the earth. Oh, the hell with it! There is no hope! The mother of all holy wars is coming. Go ahead and implement the Masada Plan, Israel. Just nuke’em all. Let’s get it over with.
So how did Israel become Israel if it wasn't for blowing up the folks who already lived there?
Not blown up, speared and hacked...maybe even stomped, crushed and burned.
Canaanite's, ya know.
The Ark would shoot out lasers and shit.
The ancient conquest is another story. I'm talking about the Irgun and the Stern Gang.
Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine. It was described as a terrorist organization by the British authorities.[13] Lehi assassinated United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte and was banned by the Israeli government.[14] The United Nations Security Council called the assassins "a criminal group of terrorists,"[15] and Lehi was similarly condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche.[16] Lehi and Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin. Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, the Lehi ribbon.[17] Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Gang
Since we're talking massacres:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jisr_al-Shughour_massacre_(1980)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Aleppo_(1980)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadmor_Prison_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Hama_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Hama_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houla_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Buwaida_al-Sharqiya_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qubair_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daret_Azzeh_massacre
And this is just Syria. Maybe you should take your outrage there.
But we don't give billions of dollars to Syria every year so why should I be outraged? They aren't the one's mooching off me. If you want to give money to Israel so that they can kill innocent people then get a job and do it yourself.
The UN Created it. Go Fuck the UN.
The reality of the matter is this: The United Nations does not appropriate to itself the authority to create states. The United Nations only authorizes itself to recognize states for membership, states that are formed or proclaimed by the people of said state. The State of Israel was created by the Jewish leaders of the area that became Israel. Period. The United Nations recognized that creation and subsequently admitted Israel to UN membership. While this may seem to be a small distinction, it is salient.
Yes, it's true that prior to the formation of the state by the local Jewish leaders then living in Palestine that the United Nations had recommended that the former British Mandate of Palestine be bifurcated into two distinct areas, but this was only a recommendation, and did not carry the weight of international law, and certainly did not create the State of Israel.
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/wait-the-un-did-not-create-israel.html
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ!!!!!!
Israel seeks war on Iran to keep lid on 9/11
Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College, told Press TV: “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period. If Americans ever know that Israel did this, they are going to scrub them off the earth.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/20/262683/israel-seeks-iran-war-to-...
Ahmadinejad Embraces the Jews! Rejects Rothschild Zionism!
Did you know that a very large Jewish community lives in Iran?..and has done so for hundreds of years in total peace?….Here we see the president of Iran meeting with Jewish leaders in New York,? 24th of September 2007, who go on to DENOUNCE the state of ISRAEL as having a ZIONIST government and agenda…The claim they stand for the REAL Jews of the world and present the president with an award for HELPING JEWS AROUND THE WORLD…..It will be a terrible crime if we let ISRAEL and the UNITED STATES start this war against IRAN. PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_Kp8t0fz3cE
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's Psychiatrist Committed Suicide; Says Netanyahu Is a Reason
Moshe Yatom, a prominent Israeli psychiatrist who successfully cured the most extreme forms of mental illness throughout a distinguished career, was found dead at his home in Tel Aviv yesterday from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. A suicide note at his side explained that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been his patient for the last nine years, had “sucked the life right out of me.”
“I can’t take it anymore,” wrote Yatom. “Robbery is redemption, apartheid is freedom, peace activists are terrorists, murder is self-defense, piracy is legality, Palestinians are Jordanians, annexation is liberation, there’s no end to his contradictions. Freud promised rationality would reign in the instinctual passions, but he never met Bibi Netanyahu. This guy would say Gandhi invented brass knuckles.”
http://stay-human.tumblr.com/post/17797213084/israeli-prime-minister-net...
More Evidence Mossad Killed JFK Over Israeli Nukes
http://rense.com/general42/enemies.htm
Somebody should come up with a new board game for quality family entertainment with elements of Monopoly and Risk and put it in the context of todays Middle East.
Justin Raimondo!!! Yes.
Gotta love anti-war.com -- one of the original truth telling blogs out there.
Thanks for this all inclusive report, John. In WWI more than 37 million people were killed. In WWII, 60 million people were killed, more than 2.5% of the world population. I say we draw the red line before WWIII and tell Mr. Netanyahu he is a hopeless madman and association with him will get a lot of people killed.
The U.S. was pretending to be the peace broker of the world up to the past 20 years and when we started taking sides publicly the wars came. We’re in this heavily now. We are not a peace broker; we are a player. And because we are a player we are in wars up to our necks all around the Middle East.
The plight of the Palestinians is one of the biggest news items in the world in recent years, and although not mentioned much in the U.S., it is huge story for the Arab countries. It’s a prison camp run by Israel and backed by the US.
The US has lost so much credibility it is incredible. The U.S. government is a sellout and it proves it every day. Just check the daily news headlines and you’ll find increasing evidence of U.S. sellout to Israel.
This is, IMO, one of the reasons Romney is having trouble gaining traction in this presidential election: Zionist radio programs such as Sean Hannity’s just keep pounding away at Obama for not doing enough for Israel, to the point that the American people are seeing Romney as a war figure. I personally believe that’s the cause of the drop in Romney’s popularity.
We shouldn’t forget that Obama beat Hillary because of the war. He wouldn’t even had been a presidential candidate except for his vote against the Iraq War; Hillary lost out because she voted for it. And Obama used it against her because the majority of Americans didn’t want the war.
Even Diane Feinstein in this election season has come out against the Iraq War and the Iran War. Why?: Because opposition to war is a vote getter for Obama and the Democrats. I really believe that “Israel” in this presidential campaign is becoming synonymous with war in the Middle East and in the minds of the public one candidate is more likely to produce a ME war because of his comments on Israel. Romney.
He's a Jew. Jews don't care about externalities.
Pure and simple, the nuclear capability is basically a "Get Out of US Crosshairs" card.
The US lately, has only invaded countries that DON'T have nuclear capability. They have basically done the equivalent of putting creampuffs on the schedule to pad wins and confiscate resources. The Iraq Wars were like watching Florida State take on Savannah State earlier this year.
That's why these Muslim countries are rushing to get nukes. It's a deterrent, more than a precursor to launch an attack.
There is NO WAY Iran strikes first on Israel. It's suicide, both for their country's health, and politically, bacause THEY know if its the other way around, that those around the world will be WITH Iran (despite hating the way they run things over there).
The problem:
Iran funds terrorists.
American Govt. hates competition.
Iran has to go.
The end.
Iran seems to be taking this stance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmSFRJBLtNg
Good for them! Israel can go piss up a rainpipe...
fuck this dude
As usual, to understand what is going on with the rhetoric against Iran all one needs to do is follow the money. Iran is the last in a list of countries General Wesley Clark gave, that were going to have their governments overthrown. The reason seems to be to give the US control over middle east oil but also to give the criminal private banking cartel that controls most of the world control over more of the handful of central banks they do not own. Why not start exposing these criminals rather than reporting some unbelievable story about Iran being a threat to an Israel that can destroy it many times over.
"Iran is not an expansionistic country."
Stopped reading right there as the writer is ignorant of the deadly effect of Iranian influence on a wide range of global events that are decidedly "expanionistic".
Just keep your head in the sand and everything will be OK.
Fuck you Netanyahu let China have the oil.
Wasn't Iran at war with Iraq through most of the 80's
Yes. Iran was invaded by Iraq in 1980 with the support of the United States.
courtesy of Williambanzai7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/8030549166/
I think Iran is provoking the US by placing it's country close to US military bases <8^)
Didn't Iran hold 52 embassy personell hostage for 444 days in 1979
Yes. It was an unfortunate act of revenge for the US overthrow of Iran in 1953 and the installation of the Shah and his murderous Savik secret police, I imagine that if the US government was overthrown and replaced with a police state by a foreign power patriotic Americans would try to get even. But not you.
Remember when those horrible Jews tried to blow up the World Trade Center back in 1993? Oh, that's right, it was those peaceful followers of Islam. I got confused for a second.
The 1993 WTC bomb was planted at the request of the FBI according to their own informant:
I got a yellow line for Netanyahoo. Piss on all these warhawks. Obungler's contempt for Israel and showing them the hand is the only thing he has done in his 4 years that I actually agree with.
How about when the Jews hijacked the Achille Lauro and murdered a little old man? Oh, that was those peaceful followers of Islam again. And, they murdered a Jew -- Leon Klinghoffer. Righit, Israel has nothing to fear from the murderers, I mean Muslims.
And when Israel attacked the USS Liberty they killed a fellow who went to parochial school with my Mom as well as 33 other American sailors.
Accidents happen - take your birth for example.
How nice for you to be able to have a laugh over the deaths of the Liberty's crew members.
Remember on 9-11 when those 19 Jews hijackeda couple of planes and flew them into the World Trade Center. Those dirty Jews kill 3000 Americans. Oh yeah, that was those peaceful followers of Islam again. Sure, they'd never nuke Israel.
Israel, do on to others before they do on to you.
The only people dancing in the streets of America on 9/11 were a dozen Israeli "students." You're probably sorry you missed that, you could have made some new friends.
I'm sure it was the Jews who raped and murdered the American Ambassador to Libya. What, that was the peaceful followers of Islam again! Who could have guessed that?
The US ambassador to Libya was a US intelligence operative who assisted Al Qaeda in the overthrow of Gaddafi and then was killed by Al Qaeda. I can see why he's your hero.
I'm sure it was the Jews who raped and murdered the American Ambassador to Libya. What, that was the peaceful followers of Islam again! Who could have guessed that?
Isreal is reluctant to discount Irans eliminatjonist rhetoric, because it has the eyes to see Islamist murder and genocide around the world. ie. Indonesia, Egypt, Nigeria. How about 1 000 000 mufdered in South Darfur? Western Progressive Academic Idiots can maintain their opinions because they are western progressive academic idiots
I got no problem with Netanyahoo's wanting to stop Iran in order to save his country from what he considers a clear and present danger. My problem is with him trying to get US to do his damn dirty work for him. We are not sending American boys, equipment or taxpayer funds in any sort of fashion to fight another war for him and his people. They chose that land. They knew the pitfalls and dangers when they did it. Time to sleep in your own bed.
I was LMAO when i saw this. UNBELIEVABLE !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZW83VH6tA
"And even assuming that they are going for a nuclear weapon, how close is Iran to a nuclear weapon? According to former IAEA consultant Clinton Bastin, possibly as much as ten to fifteen years away:"
That would be a false assumption. The Intelligence community is aware the Iran already posses one to two warheads acquired during the collaspe of the Soviet Union. Also consider that Pakistan and North Korea development bombs with much few resources than Iran has. NK is a nation in extereme poverty. There have been numerous exchanges between NK and Iran over the past years. Its extemely unlikely that Iran does already posse the equipment and knowlegde to mass produce bombs.
In addition, over the years there have been mysterious research labs that are systematically leveled when weapon inspectors made inquiries about them. Russia has also made lots of attempts to defuse this issue and has Israel to standdown several times. Should Israel attack Iran its almost certain nuclear weapons will be exchanged. This would be a diaster since the entire world relies of oil exports from the middle east. It might very will end the world as we know it, if not lead to a full scale nuclear war.
I am hoping that some one in the intelligence agency comes forward and properly informs the public, before its too late.
Do you lie just for the sake of lying or because you like to see American boys killed?
Pat Buchanan: Let Congress decide on war with IranIn short, the Pentagon does not believe Iran has made a decision to build atomic weapons, and the department is confident that, should it do so, the United States would have ample warning.
Little's definitive statement, “We have no indication that the Iranians have made a decision to develop a nuclear weapon,” coincides with the consensus of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency, in December 2007.
In that report, the entire U.S. intelligence community stated unanimously, with “high confidence,” that Iran had given up its drive for an atom bomb back in 2003.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111227/OPINION02/712279995
Someone needs to 86 that rabid Jew!!!
What a hater!!!!
Canada's Harper did not publicly support Benny on bombing Iran. Who knows what was said privately.
It's amazing how the trolls come out every time anything at all is mentioned which might be interpreted as anti-Israel. It is also depressing that so many ignorant people inhabit this generally intelligent site, as it tends to destroy its effectiveness (probably one of the reasons the trolls are here). I for one am truly grateful for the many, many articles giving insight into the behind the scenes activities that go on in the financial world.
Regarding the Middle East, if you actually do your own unprejudiced research, it's obvious that fanatics on both sides are clamoring for war, just because they can, and the banker and arm manufacturer whore cheerleaders are egging them on. God save all of the innocent children on all sides if the psychopaths continue to get their way. We should use all our energies to eliminate the crazies currently in the driving seats of most nations on earth, rather than wasting time playing the political bs game.
John,
Are you ignorant, or are you a lying propagandist for the Iranian regime?
"it remains a fact that Iran has not attacked nor occupied any foreign lands since World War 2."
Perhaps you have never heard of Abu Musa, or are unfamiliar with either its strategic signifigance or the Iranian invasion and occupation just as soon as they were sure the Brits were actually pulling out the Trucial States. Regardless, when you pedal such garbage notions that Iran has not attacked or occupied foreign lands recently, you discredit the rest of your argument.
The sovereignty of Iran on Abumusa has been disputed by UAE.[7] [8] [9] The dispute between Iran and UAE started in 1974, three years after the latter's establishment. The island had been under Persian control until the early 20th century.[10] In 1906, Iran awarded a concession for the iron oxide deposits of Abumusa to Wonckhaus, a German enterprise. However, the concession was canceled in 1907 because of British opposition, resulting in an international incident.[11] After 1908, the UK controlled the island along with the other British-held islands in the Persian Gulf, including what is today the UAE. In the late 1960s, Britain transferred administration of the island to the British-appointed Sharjah, one of the seven sheikdoms that would later form the UAE
After Britain announced in 1968 that it would end its administrative and military positions in the Persian Gulf, Iran moved to reattach the island politically to the mainland. On November 30, 1971 (two days before the official establishment of UAE), Iran and Sharjah signed a Memorandum of Understanding. They agreed to allow Sharjah to have a local police station and Iran to station troops on the island according to the map attached to the Memorandum of Understanding.[10] The agreement also divided the island's energy resources between the two signatories. "By agreeing to the pact, the tiny emirate prevented an invasion by Iran, which two days earlier had taken two other disputed islands, Greater and Lesser Tunb, which were even smaller and uninhabited." [12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abumusa
Wikipedia is a tool of convenience on a good day, and if you actually knew anything surrounding the events of the British withdrawal and Abu Musa specifically you wouldn't be quoting it.
Go to the International Court of Justice in the Hague and ask the Registrar to read the deposition of the late Northcutt Ely in the matter. There also might be a copy of the deposition among the Ely papers collection at Stanford University
There is also one other person (still alive) who could provide somewhere near the same level of insight the deposition does. However, since he currently operates the oil concession for Abu Musa, and as such, is neck deep with both the Iranian and UAE regimes, and profits from the current situation, his interest is most certainly in preserving the status quo and the oil production it affords.
If several volumes of legal testimony streching a thousand pages and delving into excruciating detail is beyond your level interest in the matter, you can read a short social paper written on the matter at http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/persgulf.htm
Can you be specific as to what your complaint is? That's the nice thing about Wikipedia -- it's concise.
The statement, "it remains a fact that Iran has not attacked nor occupied any foreign lands since World War 2." is WRONG.
As Abu Musa was Persian until the British eased them out in 1908 I'm not sure that you could call it a foreign occupation. In any case, the Iranian return to Abu Musa as well as the Iranian nuclear program were both promoted according to US policy. If you have a problem with those things perhaps you should request less US involvement in the region.
Some nutball propagandist on a conspiracy website writing, "Abu Musa and the Greater and Lesser Tunb Islands – that historically belonged to Iran" and "the shah wanted them back under Iran's sovereignty" doesn't make it so.
As long we're using Wikipedia for lazy sourcing (as opposed to his Huffo bio)
Muhammad Sahimi (born 22 January 1954) is a Professor of Chemical Engineering and Materials Science, and holds the NIOC Chair in petroleum engineering at the University of Southern California (USC) in Los Angeles.[1] He is also active in journalism, writing frequently on Iranian politics.
Sahimi received his B.S. degree in Chemical Engineering from the University of Tehran in 1977. After briefly working for the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC), he received a scholarship from the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran and travelled to the USA in 1978[2] (where he has since remained), completing his PhD at the University of Minnesota in 1984. He then moved to the University of Southern California, becoming Chairman of his department from 1999–2005. Since then he has held the NIOC Chair, which was formerly known as the "Shah Chair", having been endowed by Shah Reza Pahlavi.[citation needed] He has also been a visiting professor in Australia and Europe, and a consultant to many industrial corporations.
Well, there's nothing ad hominem about that!
So what? Your are the one trying to pass off Sahimi as a valid source, and I contend he isn't, hence the ad hominem attack.
But if you want to drag the Tunbs islands into the discussion, then you are proving my point that Aziz if full of shit. The Iranians had to invade and conquer the islands, whereas in the case of Abu Musa there was all the political intrigue, conspiracy, and mission creep that is de rigeur for politics in the bathtub, and even your source doesn't contradict this.
The fact remains that Abu Musa was populated by Arabs, not Persians, and was histroically administered by Sharjah, not Iran. As the British withdrew from the Gulf, the Iranians both OCCUPIED and ATTACKED foreign lands, and seized them for their own.
NothingYahoo would be an outstanding target for a drone strike. Since Iran brought down one of our CIA drones last year they should have working prototypes by now!!! Send a missle up his ass!
I've had it up to here with Benny. Where's my red marker so I can show you.
Truly those with the most power are insane and purely stupid. But I repeat myself.
I never hear soldiers advocating war.
Except Israeli ones.
But hey, with them it is either a set outcome or Americans will be called in.
Counterpunch had a interesting piece a while ago about how the Yom Kippur War of '73 was set up:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/what-really-happened-in-the-yom-kippur-war/
As Smedley Butler succinctly said in his book "War is a Racket", if the US military was strictly defensive and could not extend past it's borders or sea, there would be no war.
Ultimately any more of Hilary and Obama's peace-loving so-called democracy in the Middle East is surely one step closer to the the annihilation of Israel and the Jews. Doing Hitler's work.
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Anti Zionist Jews meet with Ahmadinejad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RddrpL3UWVU
After reading the comments posted here on Zero Hedge, in response to this post, there is no doubt most of you will perish. The coming events will do nothing to awaken your pathetic dusty asses. You are sealed in agreement with contempt and you are no different than Bibi or Ahmadinejad in that respect.
Look real close at these two people. Here's Bibi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsu2jI1WdUE
Here's Ahmad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYKy4dfSF-o
...OK, now consider ''it's not what you believe or think, it's what they do believe and think''.
What exactly is that? Well, they defined it in their speeches. The majority of the comments here on Zero Hedge do not attempt to go deep enough to even consider the two points of order and the real foundation of them. LMAO. Some people went a bit deep, when they mentioned something along the lines of realizing two people in a fight might both be assholes. Lol. Who would doubt this is the case before us? lol, but noooo, most of the offers are just ''hey, it's Team Elijah and The Messiah and Team Mahdi and Jewish Christ is now a Muslim''. You shallow bitchez did not even mention the Messiah claims of dominion.
I wonder how Jews will react to the prophet Elijah (anyone) hanging out in Jerusalem for a few years and him trying to witness to them about Yahshua coming again? Lol. If you asked an idiot Jew, ''what does their Messiah look like?'' does anyone really think they will describe the image of God risen on Earth as the Son of Man in perfect agareement, born from the womb of a woman, and who will be killed proving that (like Christ, lol) defining confirmation and revelation, of the full sustaining law, which is Mercy? LMAO.These are a seperated people, these two brothers are the same double headed eagle of Lagash, declaring the mirror image of their claim and ''The Law'' as ''The Accuser''. LMAO. They are equally yoked, of the same flesh, as their brother they killed in the field. LMAO. There is no need to wonder, lol, the Muslims will react to the ''question'', lol, the same way.
These two assholes are looking for judgment to come, upon all flesh, as with this generation. Lol., they are not looking for the offer of Mercy. LMAO. How can we know this? ...because they have always sacrificed the the risen image of Mercy as an attempt to prolong their own claim of dominion. They defined this in these two speeches. This is the mark of the Beast. If you take down that pathetic Dome of the Rock, or try to blow up the Jews of Israel, lol, they both claim their Messiah is to come and do as they both are now defining, destroy their enemy etc..., which is equal in the fact that they both require the same sacrifice of Christ in order to sustain their claim of dominion. LMAO. Their Messiah is not coming to offer salvation for everyone, defining the Mercy of God in Christ. LMAO. They have no such foundation for the Word of God risen in the flesh, as his own image, as a man standing in agreement, risen in the flesh and Spirit, required to prove Mercy. by drinking the bitter cup of suffering and death as a perfectly (sealed in agreement) innocent being etc... LMAO. These two jerks, upon our 2012 U.N. generation, lol, mean to continue to kill the host of the Holy Spirit, LMAO, as the usual suspects do and always have.
Ask, your dumb and pathetic dusty asses that did not think to even consider foundation for any claim, lol, what do these two offers , from these two jerks, have in common? Anyone? Bueller?
OK, if you found that they both require Great Tribulation, before their Messiah Prophet combo shows, you have done well.
Are their offers, defining this ''coming'' of their Messiah Prophet Combo, ''happening anytime soon''?, and. would that be cause for consideration for anyone (on either side of the double headed coin, lol) if the answer is ''yes''? Lol.
I mean really, lol, anyone cheering for either idiot must also agree with the foundation for their claims right? You don't get to just say ''bla bla bla, go team go''' and ''but their Messiah offer is crazy''. Well do yuh? Lol. So please, if you are not a Muslim or a Jew, yer just a secular suicide vampire squid 666 sucker etc... or something, lol, and you shallow bitchez are going to stand with Iran or Israel, I have news for you.
It does not matter if you are a Jew or a Muslim for one or the other, you are on the side of their ''call to slaughter''. They have sacrificed, and are required by their claim, the law, to slaughter every human host, as an attempt to sustain their claim of dominion, and that is not going to ''change'' but in ''death''. LMAO.
The old ''those who seek to save their life shall lose it'' zinger, lol, is beyond your consideration, if you stand in agreement with these two freaks. So, stick to building and worshipping the Golden Calf that Chairsatan and the 911 Jets built for you, you at least sound smart in agreement with math. Blaa haa haa haa haa. You have the right to remain silent on the subject of the geopolitical reality of the Antichrist U.N. ...bitchez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeW0PVGMcI
And us atheists are stuck on this out of control religion trainride.
Ain't no motherfuckin' magical afterlife nor magical creator nor magical bullshit spewed by any religion.
doG is God in my book.
Eat drink and be marry because some stupid fucking religion is going to start ANOTHER war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUCvgKQD08
...Almost Solvent, LMAO, what an emotional offer, blaa haa haa haa, ''us atheists are stuck'' ''ain't no'' ''afterlife''.
Right off the bat, hee hee hee, The Truth, math, meaning, life, etc... has no foundation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHTpoqYsaE Your offer lacks Cause, idiot. All you did was express the impossibility for ''care''. That was great comedy there bud. LMAO. You rebel teenage bitchez you. LMAO. Umm, not even ''don't grow up'' matters, in response to the revelation of perfect stupidity. The double headed Eagle of Lagash ritual slaughter has your emotion upon the alter, sealed in agreement with your own judgment, baa haa haa, and you rolled over and asked for more first. LMAO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT7FSzdIDno
P.S. Umm, why ''do'' practicing atheists comment, as you were magically risen in breach of Cause? Being compelled to prove you are an idiot does not provide an escape from the black hole, you Brilliant Light Bearer you.
You certainly shall perish upon the fullness of revelation, as with the dark offer under the Sun, without Cause, LMAO. There is no doubt your literal and proverbial knee shall bow in agreement first, but you have no need to sweat the emotional pain of death, without Cause for meaning, and the Truth (that portion of) sealed to math, blaa haa haa, as you were.
''President Not Possible'', LMAO, now that could be worked into the ''Idiocracy'' sequal, LMAO, just get everyone into the (Earth Sinema. lol) theater and turn out the light. blaa haa haa, or better yet, pull an Andy ''Coffin''-man and just leave The Light on and nothing on the screen, no sound too, lol. Tilte for the movie, under the ''Earth SINema'' sign, of course ''must'' be ''No Cause For Sequal''. LMAO. Well, you could show this ''coming attraction'' >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yZP4tmYWI << advertisement first. Pfffttt haa haaa.
P.S.S. (<<pun intended,lol) Wonder how long it would take in today's Tweeting Cell Phone Instant Messaging World ...before the news (people escaped the theater) got out, that people paid (the ultimate price) to see that advertisement and then they sat in The Light (burnt offering) until they got pissed off enough to leave? LMAO. Do you think people that show up, having not heard The Word out about people paying the price http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOlh-g2dxrI for this, they will be pissed at people they told, that knew about this and knew the person was going to this ''Light Show''? Awe, what do you care about loss or gain, Almost Solvent? LMAO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM4jJc8w4H0
RRRuff.., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gswv_NODHa0 what a dark night at your theater.
...mirror mirror, magic, she said, journey to the black hole, it just doesn't matter, bark at the Moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UksgTSj9AaE&feature=fvwrel