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Guest Post: A Few Remarks On Elections

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Submitted by Pater Tenenbrarum of Acting-Man

A Few Remarks On Elections

There Is No Choice

We have previously pointed out that there is actually no choice at all for the US electorate at the upcoming presidential election. This is because in terms of the policies they support, it is nigh impossible to differentiate between the two candidates. We were not just making an unsupported assertion – we offered proof, by showing a video in which they speak for themselves. If one cannot rely on their own words to represent what they stand for, what should one rely on?

Of course it has often been that way in the past too, but usually one only finds out for sure after the election, not already before it. However, the Obamney – clones are so glaringly similar that this time there can be no doubt about it from the very outset. Anyone who actually votes in this election (except if they log a protest vote for a write-in candidate) is basically wasting his time. Not only that, they are announcing that they are gullible and that they meekly support the status quo. As George Carlin once said, 'they lose the right to complain'.

Carlin suggested that if as an alternative to voting on election day, he were to stay at home and masturbate, he 'would at least have something to show for it at the end'. And that was actually quite a few years ago, we wonder what he would have to say about the 'choice' voters are presented with today. Evidently though, Carlin had come to the conclusion that democracy was for Old Greeks.

Allen Keyes on Obama/Romney

What prompted us to write this post was that a friend pointed us to the following video in which Allan Keyes discusses the very same problem. He says a number of interesting things:

Just to make that clear: we were hitherto only aware of Alan Keyes in passing and are not saying that we would endorse his political views in toto. In fact, a cursory examination of some other material we have come across suggests that we would have a number of differences with him. However, what he says in the video above is in  our opinion both true and important.

He makes inter alia the point that if one can no longer differentiate between candidates based on their political program, one is theoretically reduced to judging them on the basis of personal sympathy or antipathy. However, unless one actually knows them personally, such a judgment is necessarily based on nothing but superficial impressions – in fact it is not possible to come to an informed decision.

To our mind the most interesting and important observation is however the following: Keyes suggests that if e.g. Mitt Romney were to be elected,  he would have it very easy to pursue the very agenda currently associated with Obama – there would be little push-back from conservatives. They would likely cheer on the very policies they hated when Obama proposed or implemented them, if Romney were to propose them if he comes to power. At the very least their protest would probably be extremely muted.

Think back in this context to Bush the Second and the PATRIOT act, the warrant-less wiretapping scandal, the torture allegations and his wars. Left-liberals were manning the barricades against many of these policies when Bush introduced them. Many of them were convinced that if they voted for Obama, many, or even all of these policies would be repealed (that was certainly part of the whole 'hope and change' shtick). They have for the most part mutely watched for four years while there was not only no repeal, but an intensification of every Bush era rape of the Bill of Rights. Occasionally one of Obama's supporters took notice, such as Rachel Maddow e.g. did when the president talked about instituting presidential powers that sound like something from a dystopian science fiction novel (essentially he argued in favor of the president becoming the nation's personal 'pre-crime' division):

We are merely astonished that she seems so surprised by this. This is precisely how the ruling elites operate. In order to cement unpopular policies, they use the guy who is officially widely thought to be against them. Keyes has essentially hit on the establishment's very modus operandi in directing history in modern times.

The NDAA's provisions for military detention of mere 'suspects' were e.g. an Obama administration brainchild. Most Republicans were fine with it. There were only a few exceptions, such as Rand Paul, who delivered a notable and excellent speech against them (to no avail of course).

Our point is, regardless of who you vote for, you can firmly depend on being disappointed in the areas that actually count. The whole idea that the democratic system such as it is allows voters to alter a nation's course by simply voting for a different  batch of politicians is profoundly mistaken. In reality, the ruling elites use the apparent differences as a slick political ploy: namely to implement whatever agenda they have already decided upon without arousing the anger of the hoi-polloi too much.

One must very carefully parse everything one sees or hears on the 'approved' news media these days. More often than not things are not what they seem, and it only becomes clear after some time in what direction they are about to be taken. Often we are confronted with seemingly diametrically opposed opinions on how to tackle a burning problem. Later a 'compromise' will suddenly and 'unexpectedly' make its entrance, consisting of the very policies the elites wanted to introduce in the first place. Upon hearing of the 'compromise', everybody nods sagely and agrees that this is what should be done, not realizing that they were duped from the very beginning.

A good recent example is actually provided by the euro area crisis. Although it appears at times as though the eurocracy's control over events may be lost, it evidently hasn't happened yet.

Consider though what has happened: decisive steps have been taken to protect the banks on the backs of tax payers and to take the EU closer to the point where it becomes a giant socialistic superstate/transfer union. Which as it were is precisely what Romano Prodi predicted back in 2001 already – namely that the EU's political elite would just wait for a sufficiently dire crisis to implement all the measures it couldn't yet put into place at the time the euro was introduced.

When looking at the countries making up the euro area, one quickly notices that voters in them are likewise faced with the 'no choice' dilemma.  It matters not one whit who they vote for, the centralization agenda continues exactly as before every time.

Occasionally a referendum is held to decide whether there is sufficient popular support for things like e.g. the Lisbon treaty. In cases where the vote is unfavorable for the centralization agenda, the  referendum is simply repeated until the desired outcome has been obtained. Of course it's all just a coincidence, right?

Right,  and we have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

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Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:35 | 2841541 CH1
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The lesser of evils remains evil.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:55 | 2841567 kaiserhoff
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Sure, there's no difference between the parties.

One party wants to enslave you and yours in a Stalinist gulag forever.

The other party wants to fart around the County Club on weekends with someone else's Betty.

Gotcha, no difference.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:14 | 2841590 Precious
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It's not an election.  It's a fucking bribe.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:53 | 2841637 bank guy in Brussels
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Famous true words on elections:

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

- Emma Goldman (1889-1940)

"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this - who will count the votes, and how."

- Joseph Stalin, quoted in 'Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary' (1992), by Boris Bazhanov

 

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:30 | 2841810 lesterbegood
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"American Presidents are selected, not elected."  Franklin D. Rooseveldt

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 16:01 | 2841976 macholatte
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

 

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.
Aldous Huxley

 


The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.
Edward Bernays

 

 


It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.
Joseph Goebbels

 

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler

 

 

Now that I look back, I realize that a life predicated on being obedient and taking orders is a very comfortable life indeed. Living in such a way reduces to a minimum one's need to think.
Adolf Eichmann

 

 

When I sell liquor, it's called bootlegging; when my patrons serve it on Lake Shore Drive, it's called hospitality.
Al Capone

 

 

We're not children here. The law is-how should I put it? A convenience. Or a convenience for some people, and an inconvenience for other people.
Paul Castellano

 

 

 

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 17:55 | 2842174 Ghordius
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Nevertheless Congress is elected. And that is where the rot sets in, specifically in two parties that don't fear failure or competition.

And why should they? Nobody remembers the fate of the great US Whig Party.

In the economy, if two entities corner the market you call this...

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 18:02 | 2842190 Ghordius
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Sure, the EU to became a "giant socialistic superstate/transfer union" like... like... Wait a moment, what is the problem here? The Superstate or the socialism? You write a bit like the EU owes you money and not paying back! Ever compared the social spending levels with others?

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:53 | 2841639 Abitdodgie
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Obama is a liar , Romney is an idiot, but most of America will vote for one of them. They should be tried for treason.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:31 | 2841699 A Nanny Moose
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Who should be tried for treason? O'Bamneybot, or the people? I don't blame the people, they were merely victimized by government run indoctrination factories.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:43 | 2841728 PiratePawpaw
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"..which teaches them to not blame themselves or others as we are all victims."

There, fixed it for ya.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 20:19 | 2842375 juangrande
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We are all victims. Its just we don't know who the victimizers are. ( Hint: Look between your ears!)

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:15 | 2841592 PiratePawpaw
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Wrong, both parties want both. The only difference is the color of kool-aid they feed you to get your vote.

Will you be standing in the gulag with red lips or blue while they party at the CC?

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:30 | 2841612 Roger O. Thornhill
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"Don't blame me - I voted for Kodos."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJ0qYR6YFo

Unreal - we are played for fools (as usual). But I don't blame the American people anymore - the newsmedia is the lie machine that makes this possible. Media news organs are neither investigative - nor are they journalists. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX all carry the water for these liars.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:41 | 2841624 Oh regional Indian
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Too true. The press is implicitly complicit and shameless to boot...

 

/meet-the-press/

ori

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:48 | 2841633 r101958
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by r101958
on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 11:24
#1132500

I'll say it once (posted last year before the elections) and I'll say it again now:

"Current politics is best represented by a two headed dragon. Politicians pay lip service to opposing ideologies but both the Republican and Democratic parties are part of the same big government dragon body. The body is moving in one direction; bigger and more powerful government. More control over the electorate. Having the two parties serves a greater purpose though....it divides the populace (sheeple?) into two camps that are always at each others' throat. I think this tactic is called divide and conquer. Until we wake up and get away from the 'Repubs this....' or 'Dems that....' blame game then we will be slowly boiled...just like the frog in the frying pan...all while the dragon stands by watching and laughing."

And .....the sheep continue bleeting.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:04 | 2841656 kill switch
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Alex Jones Show,

 

On today's program, Alex welcomes three-time Emmy award-winning journalist, photographer, and former CNN reporter Amber Lyon to discuss the brazenly false stories CNN forced her to report.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 20:49 | 2842426 Cathartes Aura
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oh my,

the brazenly false stories CNN forced her to report.

as in, gun-to-head?  can't wait to hear all the juicy details. . .

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 17:58 | 2843553 kill switch
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Amber has discarded a $150,000 salary and is now on a whistleblower tour for the sheep to expose CNN as a captured prestitute colony, I think it's a gallant move,, what have you done lately?? Aura fucktard.

Or should I say intellectually degrading comment prowler..Your like the person who falls on a bruise..Over and over..

Your comments flow like a bubble off an old clay pipe with rainbow colors only to burst into the abyss,,,nothing,,,, nothing..... EW BR

 

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:21 | 2841598 CH1
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Sure, there's no difference between the parties.

Tell that to all the dead soldiers, to all the amputee soldiers and the collateral damage dead and all the victims of Federal Prosecutors and the IRS and local police goons.

Tell me about domestic spying and kids in jail for smoking a joint. Tell me about speed cameras and the insane corruption at USAID, Dept. of State and friends of the DoD. Tell me about out-of-control Intel employees and hundreds of billions poured into corps that own politicians. Tell me about 35 lobbyists per congressman. And, and, and....

These things go on continually, and your preferred party does just as much of it as the other party.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:32 | 2841617 kaiserhoff
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There is certainly not as much difference between the major parties as I would like to see.

I vote libertarian, whenever I can, but I don't encourage the Communists by throwing votes away.  How much does it matter?  I don't know, and neither do you.  We both see what's coming.  But I would rather not go into a dangerous period with a first couple who hate all things American.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:49 | 2841635 Baron Robber
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You mean Romney, right?

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:01 | 2841649 11b40
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Slow learner?

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:29 | 2841693 CH1
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kaiser:

I understand that you find one candidate more evil than the other. Fair enough. But at the same time, the entire system is evil and it ALL needs to be condemned.

Making excuses for one party (or the other) is to excuse evil.

We all need to leave the system, stop supporting it, and to start living new and better ways.

It is time to walk away from evil, no matter how long a pedigree it possesses.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:45 | 2841731 PiratePawpaw
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Amen.

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said "A little revolution from time to time is a good thing."

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:50 | 2841817 garcam123
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He also wrote to William Smith, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

 

Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787

If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted." - Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]

 

 

We must make it happen!  Occupy the polls! Disrupt the election in every way possible!

 

I"d suggest that all true patriots piss ina 5 gallon bucket and let it sit and get ripe then mix it with equal parts gas and make molitov cocktails and throw them into the polling places.  likewise make human shit-packs to throw with the piss cocktails and overwhelm the polls and drive the sheeple away from the polling places while other supporting patriots break out placards to explain their actions. The has to be a strike by the people against this criminal cabal.

God Bless America, God Bless Freedom!  God Damn the Politicians

Why do the French, Spanairds and Greeks have more balls than Americans?

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 10:58 | 2843006 odatruf
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Question: Why do the French, Spanairds and Greeks have more balls than Americans?

Answer: They don't. Theirs are only squeezed tighter in the vise, so far...

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:54 | 2841745 kaiserhoff
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Agreed.  A small, legitimate government, working with the consent of the governed solves many problems.

We need a realistic path.  Many here think a financial collapse punishes the bankers and solves all the problems. 

From the experience of the seventies, I think it will make things worse, at least for a while.  The police state makes it

very difficult to just walk away, but if you know someplace to walk toward, I'm listening.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:06 | 2841767 Shell Game
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American Redoubt

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:12 | 2841773 CH1
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if you know someplace to walk toward, I'm listening.

You're a clever boy, figure it out.

There will be no Plan - and whoever sells one plays the role of nascent ruler.

Unless we each make our own plans, we merely trade Serfdom A for Serfdom B.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 11:07 | 2843016 odatruf
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I suppose I am one of those people who think the collapse is welcome.  Yes, I understand that a lot of pain will come from this and it will be visited mostly on people who aren't the cause.  But, I see few other things that stand a chance of occurring and will motivate people properly.  End of the day, in the US I think the stick is more effective than the carrot with the masses since most people are well off enough.

However, I think even the collapse isn't going to do much long term. We need a Constitutional Convention to fix some of the structural problems. And we should not let status quo politicians be involved because nothing would change.  Rather, something more like the jury section process should be used: random voters get picked and then we weed out the obviously incompetent ones.

 

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:38 | 2841619 Shell Game
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  "The lesser of evils remains evil."

This is exactly why it is unconscionable and immoral to cast a vote for either of these puppets and traitors.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:57 | 2841751 A Lunatic
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The last election I voted in was Bush/Gore 2000 because I was positive that Gore would be the beginning of the end for America. Instead Bush ushered it in and I learned that there was no difference between these fuckers at all.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 01:07 | 2842708 SheHunter
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Amen Sir Lunatic.  I did the same (Bush voter) and came to the same realization (nary a diff between the MF's).   I even got stupid a second time and voted for hope n' change.  Joke's on me.   Only way you can tell these two parties apart is by looking at which side of their mouth they talk from.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:43 | 2841547 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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     Vote for:

 

a) crap

b) turd

Both still stink

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:51 | 2841560 hapless
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"We have previously pointed out that there is actually no choice at all for the US electorate at the upcoming presidential election."

Hence the need for a responsible legislature.  Oh well.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:55 | 2841566 Insideher Trading
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The difference between Obama supporters and Romney supporters:

Romney supporters sign their checks on the front

Obama supporters sign theirs on the back.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:59 | 2841574 kaiserhoff
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Subtle, yet so well done.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:50 | 2841740 Precious
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And Ron Paul supporters check the middle of their gold.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:30 | 2841611 toady
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Whatever it takes to keep the the worthless paper moving for a little while longer.

Who cares whch group prevails in the election... The real question is which group will prevail after the checks become worthless!

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:32 | 2841704 CH1
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which group will prevail after the checks become worthless

The DHS (at least for X days): they have all the bullets.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:25 | 2841798 toady
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That's my thinking too. The ones who sign the front of the checks are well supplied and should prevail initially, but the sheer numbers of the ones who sign the back of the checks...95%+ of the population ...

It's a toss up..

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:58 | 2841569 Number 156
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There is nothing wrong with your television set.

Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission.

If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper.

We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter.

We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity.

For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear.

We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set.

You are about to participate in a great adventure.

You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to — The Outer Limits.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 14:43 | 2841835 akak
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And for those old-timers (such as myself) who remember those old black-and-white "Outer Limits" and "Twilight Zone" episodes, do you also remember the frequent if not consistent pro-freedom, anti-authoritarian sentiments of many of them?  Those shows would NEVER be produced for "mainstream" television viewing today.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:58 | 2841570 Rainman
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Governments cannot logically be called public service institutions anymore. They've become tax-mandated industries unto themselves. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:13 | 2841576 Urban Redneck
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Voting <> "Not only that, they are announcing that they are gullible and that they meekly support the status quo."

This reeks of a Ministry of Turth dictat.

Citizens are free to vote however they want, using whatever rationale they see fit. 

Vote for change, Vote for accelerating the collapse, Vote for free iCrap, Vote for conituing the status quo, Write in Alfred E Neuman or Alfred E Steele.

 

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:23 | 2841604 RSBriggs
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Bring a sharpie - it's hard to write on those plastic computer screens.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:30 | 2841610 Urban Redneck
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Why not??? Too many have been denied even the right to vote, regardless of whether the options sucked, or the monkey doing the counting couldn't be trusted to put one and one together.

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:00 | 2841646 Abitdodgie
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Have you ever read the contract that you agree with when you regester to vote (I think not) or else you would of never agreed , you proberbly did not even know there was one , thats just the way they like it .

Sat, 09/29/2012 - 13:19 | 2841673 Urban Redneck
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It's still attached to the voter registration card I nave NEVER been asked for (being registered in dumbfuck, virginia means it's pretty simple contract, except for the reference back to Virginia Code which they can update anytime at will and w/o notice, and to which I will happily plead ignorance...)

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