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Guest Post: Is China's Communist Party Doomed?

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Via Minxin Pei of The Diplomat,

Last Friday's announcement in Beijing that the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will convene its 18th congress on November 8 has brought much relief to those concerned that political scandals and power struggle at the very top of the Chinese government have derailed the once-in-a-decade leadership transition.  Finally, the party's top leaders seemed to have agreed on what to do with the disgraced former Chongqing party boss Bo Xilai (likely off to jail) and on whom to promote to the Politburo and its more powerful standing committee.

For all the obvious reasons, China's ruling elites will do their best in the next few months to project an image of unity and self-confidence, and to convince the rest of the world that the next generation of leaders is capable of maintaining the party's political monopoly.

That is, unfortunately, a tough sell.  Confidence in the party's internal cohesion and leadership has already been shaken by the Bo affair, endemic corruption, stagnation of reform in the last decade, a slowing economy, deteriorating relations with neighbors and the United States, and growing social unrest.  The questions on many people's minds these days are how long the party can hold on to its power and whether the party can manage a democratic transition to save itself.

These questions are by no means the products of idle minds.  By many measures, the party's rule is about to enter a decade of systemic crisis.  Having governed China for 63 years, the party is approaching, within a decade, the recorded longevity of the world's most durable one-party regimes — the former Communist Party of the Soviet Union (74 years), the Kuomintang - KMT (73), and the Revolutionary Institutional Party of Mexico - PRI (71).   Like a human being, an organization such as the CCP also ages.

In addition, China's rapid economic development has thrust the country past what is commonly known as the "democratic transition zone" — a range of per capita income between $1000 and $6000 (in purchasing power parity, PPP).  Political scientists have observed that autocratic regimes face increasing odds of regime change as income rises.  Chances of maintaining autocracy decrease further once a country's per capita income exceeds $6000 (PPP).  China's has already reached $8500 (PPP).  And nearly all the autocracies in the world with a higher per capita income are petro-states.  So China is in a socioeconomic environment in which autocratic governance becomes increasingly illegitimate and untenable.  Anyone who is unconvinced of this point should take a look at Chinese Weibo (or microblogs) to get a sense of what ordinary Chinese think of their government.

Thus, the answer to the question of the durability of one-party rule in China is clear: its prospects are doomed.

The answer to the question of how a one-party regime can manage its own political transformation to save itself is more interesting and complicated.

Essentially, there are two paths for such regimes: the Soviet route to certain self-destruction, and the Taiwan-Mexican route to self-renewal and transformation.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, top CCP leaders have resolved not to repeat the Soviet tragedy.  Their policy has been, therefore, resisting all forms of political reform.  The result is, unfortunately, an increasingly sclerotic party, captured by special interests, and corrupt and decadent opportunists like Bo.  It may have over 80 million members, but most of them join the party to exploit the pecuniary benefits it provides.  They themselves have become a special interest group disconnected with Chinese society.  If the fall of the Soviet Communist Party (CPSU) offered any real lessons, they are definitely not the official Chinese narrative that Gorbachev's political reforms brought down the party.  The sad truth is: the Soviet regime was too sick to be revived by the mid-1980s because it had resisted reforms for two decades during the rule of Brezhnev.  More importantly, the CCP should know that, like the millions of the members of the CPSU, its rank and file are almost certain to defect in times of a regime crisis.  When the CPSU fell, there was not a single instance of loyal party members coming to the defense of the regime.  Such a fate awaits the CCP.

That leaves the CCP with only one viable option: the Taiwan-Mexican path of self-renewal and transformation.  The one-party regimes in Taiwan and Mexico are, without doubt, the most successful ones in transforming themselves into multi-party democracies in the last quarter century.  Although the stories of their transition to democracy are different and complex, we can glean four key insights into their successes.

  • First, leaders in Taiwan and Mexico confronted a legitimacy crisis in the 1980s and realized that one-party regimes were doomed.  They did not deceive themselves with illusions or lies.
  • Second, both acted while their regimes were stronger than the opposition and before they were thoroughly discredited, thus giving them the ability to manage a gradual transition.
  • Third, their leaders centralized power and practiced inner-party dictatorship, not inner-party democracy, in order to overcome the opposition of the conservatives within the regime.  In one-party regimes, inner-party democracy will surely lead to an open split among the ruling elites, thus fatally weakening the a reformist regime's ability to manage the transition.  Additionally, making the entire political system more democratic, mainly through competitive elections in cities and states, will provide the ruling elites an opportunity to learn a critical skill: seeking support from voters and winning elections.  Such skills cannot be learned through the dubious exercise of inner-party democracy, which is simply another name for elite bargaining and manipulation.
  • Fourth, a moderate democratic opposition is the best friend and greatest asset a reformist one-party regime has.  Such an opposition is a negotiating partner and can help the regime maintain transitional stability.  It can also offer much better terms protecting the interests of the ruling elites and even helping them avoid jail.

When we look at the rewards reaped by the KMT and the PRI, they included not only favorable terms for exiting power (except for President Salinas, who was forced into exile because of corruption), none of the senior leaders faced criminal prosecution.  Most importantly, both the KMT and PRI managed to recapture the presidency, the seat of political power in both countries, after spending two terms in opposition.

But can the CCP actually learn from the KMT or the PRI?

Its willingness aside, the CCP faces an additional hurdle.  It is still a totalitarian party, not an authoritarian party.  The difference between a totalitarian party and an authoritarian party is that the former is far more deeply and extensively embedded in the state and the economy.  The CCP controls the military, the judiciary, the bureaucracy, and the economy to a far greater extent that the KMT or the PRI.  Extricating a totalitarian party from a state is far more difficult.  In fact, such a feat has never been tried successfully.  In the former Soviet Union, it led to regime collapse.  In Eastern Europe, democratic revolutions did not give such regimes a chance to try.

So the task for China's new rulers is truly daunting.  Their first order of business is actually not to plunge into a Gorbachev-style political perestroika, but the de-totalitarianization of the Chinese state and the transformation of the CCP into another KMT or PRI.  Without taking this intermediate step immediately, the CCP may find that a Soviet-style collapse is its only future.


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Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:04 | 2844051 Parabolic
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Seems like ZH is mass producing China articles

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:53 | 2844121 Dr. Engali
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Maybe they should produce articles about dog grooming, or landscaping.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:10 | 2844315 Popo
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What's this nonsense about a "democratic transition"?

Hasn't everyone figured out that "democracy" (as it is currently defined) is a scam to make everyone feel like they have some control over the government?   In the USA people have a choice between "Banker Party A"  and "Banker Party B".   How's that "democracy" treating you all?   What "democracy" actually is, is a form of social control.  As long as people believe they are voicing their opinion, they are far less likely to rise up and overthrow the elites.   Were the people consulted about TARP?  Iraq?  QE?  No.  But you were directly *damaged* by all of those policy decisions.   You are offered small, irrelevant options to make you feel like you're not a serf,  while the big decisions are made behind closed doors.

China is very similar.  Discussing whether or not China's Communist Party will "successfully transition to democracy" is a question of appearance only.    What we are really asking is:  Will the Chinese oligarchy undergo a cosmetic, public-image transformation from "benevolent socialist state" to "freedom-loving democratic state"?   But the underlying reality is that it won't matter anyway, as the elites will be the elites in whatever "system" is publicly served to the population in exchange for obedience and peace.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:12 | 2844318 Gully Foyle
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Brother you are on the right track but incorrect in your grasp of bankers.

There is simply a single banker group.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:45 | 2844337 malikai
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What I really want to know is what will come of the USA's communist bi-party?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:19 | 2844366 GetZeeGold
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If anyone can finally make communism will be the USA.


Do you believe in miracles?



Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:06 | 2844054 lolmao500
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They already have a plan :

When the China Bubble Bursts

If the world has invested in the wrong things, and China is one of those things, then the bursting of the China bubble may be the greatest catastrophe of all. China’s financial system is a mess, and a major crisis cannot be far off. With the U.S. economy dipping lower and Europe facing its own financial nightmare, China cannot postpone its own day of reckoning. So what will China’s leaders do? What plans have they made?

To give readers some idea of the problem, a recent WikiLeak revealed that the U.S. had advanced knowledge of a secret Chinese missile test last year. In response to this revelation, Chinese Gen. Xu Guangyu told the South China Morning Post that American officials possessed enough advanced detail to suggest the presence of a sensitively placed U.S. spy in China’s rocket forces. According to the South China Morning Post, Gen. Xu said that “if China could no longer keep secret its missile launches, it would not be able to launch a surprise attack on the U.S.”

But why would China want to launch a surprise attack on the U.S.?

The strategic thinking of the Chinese Communist leadership holds that as long as America continues to enrich China, and as long as China can build its military power, then peace is workable. But when the economic wellspring runs dry and the Sino-American partnership has exhausted its profitability, then peace becomes unworkable. Rising discontent within China must then be diverted. The natural course would be for the people to hold the country’s leaders responsible, and to remove them from power. Many of these leaders would be tried as criminals, and would lose their heads. The only alternative to this would be war with the United States. This course automatically shuts down the Chinese democracy movement, which would have to choose between China and America in the course of a life-and-death struggle. In such a contest, the Chinese Communist Party automatically wins the assent of nearly all Chinese – including democrats.

And so, the best course for a failing Chinese economy is war. One might ask what kind of war? In a secret 2005 speech given by Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian (titled “War is not far from us and is the midwife of the Chinese century”), a biological attack on the United States was suggested as optimal. “It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans,” said Gen. Chi. “But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century….” Having already noted that millions of Chinese would die if the Chinese economy collapsed, Gen. Chi explained that the only way out for China was to “teach the Chinese people to go out” (i.e., attack the United States). “We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths,” said Chi. “But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter….”

And it seems they might have started...

White House Hack Attack

Chinese hackers break in to White House military office network in charge of the president’s nuclear football


Have sweet dreams!

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:42 | 2844101 bahaar
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If CCP wants to divert attention they'll start a war with Japan or Vietnam or India.  They're China's traditional enemies.  War with America will consume far too much energy and resources.  Easier still, will be for the elites to escape to America with their booty.  Their children are already here.  Chinese elites need America.  They'll not be so foolish as to destroy it. 

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:11 | 2844353 DanP1966
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Do not bet on that.

War with Taiwan or japan IS war with the US. We have security gurantees and the Chninese know it.

MOST of the hack attacks on US financial institutions, infrastructure and government are done by the Chinese. I know...I work dealing with it every day.

The Chinese could take down our financial system, large parts of our national infrastructure (power/water) and many local and state governments in hours.

A biological attack, even if did not kill millions, could seriously disable the ability of the government to respond. You release one in the DC/NOVA area, areas around Sandiego, Pearl Harbor, Okinawa, Ft. Richardson, etc. that gives everyone massive cramps and the runs just as you release an attack on Japan or Taiwan and you would seriously disable our ability to respond. Really, there is not much anyone could do to stop it.

You could create such panic and such chaos within the US over a period of two or three days that you would disable our ability to respond for months short of using nukes.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:37 | 2844376 neptunium
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No you couldnt. 


Biological attacks are massively overrated as weapons (as are chemical weapons but to a lesser extent), they take a long time to propogate, there's plenty of safeguards that can delay the onset, it might be something you could use within a window of a few months to degrade an enemy but releasing virulent pathogens is fairly counterproductive for a region like china with an enormous urban population and limited sanitation. 

You do know, that of regions vulnerable to cyberwarfare that the PRC is just about the most exposed, most industrial and commercial plant operates using bootlegged software most of which is designed in the US, who knows what backdoors are incorporated as standard into operating systems. How well maintained (at a systems level) is the PRC's national infrastructure? 

Re: Nukes: The US defensive systems are nested on several levels with fail-safes, given several hundred D-5 missiles nested aboard SSBN's there's literally nothing you can do to stop a counter-attack - even if you managed to whack the entire pentagon and white house without any advanced warning, it wouldn't make a bit of difference, to stop a retaliatory strike you would literally have to destroy the entire continental US and somehow also detect, track, and destroy every SSBN, all within a window of a few minutes and with no advanced warning.  You allude to this obiously but it's a fairly potent deterrent against the level of attack you're postulating.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 09:18 | 2844626 Vince Clortho
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Sounds like everything is under control.  Cool.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:54 | 2844400 Dermasolarapate...
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When was the last time China started a war?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 10:25 | 2844924 lolmao500
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That would be Vietnam. 1979.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 18:55 | 2846764 ReactionToClose...
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and some additional dolt gave this a positive 1 .... r u kidding!   PRChina was almost solely behind Korea

China/Mao started the Korean War ... the Russkies were ambivalent to not enthused ....but as bolshevik brethern could not be outstripped by Mao.

Sir, either you are seriously stupid & unread (read any credible history ----even the western red star Mao lovers admit that Mao was behind the Korean War) or you are PRC propagandist



Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:43 | 2844105 Heyoka Bianco
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You know, it's shit like this that makes me want to give up a life-long aversion and move to a major city, just so as to increase the odds that I'll be vaporized in the first round. Anywhere's better than here, with fuckwads like this in charge of things. If they really need to feel the charge of authority, why can't they make like the rest of the sad-sack power-hungry twats and be dugeon master of their very AD&D group?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 01:10 | 2844184 Things that go bump
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And what are we going to be doing while this is going on?  The Chinese think our military is going to lie down for that? What, we don't have biologicals?  We don't have militarized bubonic? Small pox?  Aerosolized ebola?  Anthrax? Worse? Do they think we don't have enough nukes to kill every living being on this planet 7 times over and leave the whole place a smoking cinder and the highest lifeform a cockroach?   Do they think we won't do it?  Are they mad?  


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 01:21 | 2844198 lolmao500
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Let's see what Mao thought of nuclear weapons.

The atomic bomb is nothing to be afraid of. China has millions of people. It cannot be bombed out of existence. If someone else can drop an atomic bomb, I can too. The death of 10 or 20 million people is nothing to be afraid of...

A bunch of people in control in China probably thinks the same.

They think losing power + economic collapse + results of that would be worse for them than a first strike by China/Russia on NATO.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:25 | 2844265 Things that go bump
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Mao was mistaken about a great many things.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:31 | 2844378 GetZeeGold
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Maybe so...but half of the population in Washington DC worships the dude.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 21:25 | 2847112 Newsboy
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Mao was a caoable military leader as a younger man, but he advaced to way more than one level above which he was competent.

Then he got neurosyphilis.

Then there was the great leap forward, and cultural revolution, and all those Chinese that didn't die from the American nukes, which never came, died from the Great Helmsman charting a new course through the stormy seas.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:17 | 2844225 FreedomGuy
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The equation may change over time. You have not seen Obama's disarmament plans, I presume. Plus, if reelected he will gut the military for his collectivist dream.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 09:27 | 2844674 Vince Clortho
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Obama (and Hilary) are much more likely to try to gut/disarm the American population.

They will need  strong military/DHS forces to institute martial law.

Disarming and Controlling the Domestic population will be a major focus of his second term.  They have not been beefing up DHS for no reason.

The Elite Bankers also need a strong American military for their private Police force to safeguard their Oil and other precious natural resources.

I do not see disarming the American Military in the forseeable future.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:13 | 2844357 TheFourthStooge-ing
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lolmao500 said:

They already have a plan :

[quoting article by J.R. Nyquist] "The only alternative to this would be war with the United States. This course automatically shuts down the Chinese democracy movement, which would have to choose between China and America in the course of a life-and-death struggle."

You really need to consider the source when reading articles like this. If you examine the archive of articles by J.R. Nyquist, you'll discover that he still lives in a 1950s-1960s cold war world. His writing comes from a point of view where Mao still runs China, the domino effect is real, and Krushchev or Brezhnev still presides over the Soviet empire. The commies are all out to "get" us and pollute our Purity Of Essence®.

While it is not surprising that Nyquist sees war with the US as China's "only alternative", anyone else believing this should forget about gold and silver and only concentrate on protecting and preserving their Precious Bodily Fluids®.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:06 | 2844055 ACP
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I don't think you can call it Communist anymore. Some weird hybrid of Crony Capitalist-Authoritarian-Steal-As-Much-As-I-Can-And-Get-The-Hell-Out-Of-Dodge government.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:12 | 2844062 hedgeless_horseman
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In America, we call that, "Washington, D.C."  Maybe the Chinese are trying to peg their political process to ours, just like the currency?

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:17 | 2844072 ACP
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Yeah pretty much. The only difference is that there's no consequence to stealing there, so no one ever thinks of leaving, hence the (overall) wealthiest counties on the US are around DC.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:22 | 2844076 CheapBastard
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<< there's no consequence to stealing there >>

Wrong. I read the death penalty still exists if they catch you stealing greater then about $300,000.

If course, that's why the bankers, businessmen, etc. sneak out their embezzled millions into HK RE...or Vancouver RE or NYC RE as the ZH article earlier today refers...and they themselves are not far behind.



Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:28 | 2844080 ACP
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I meant no consequence to stealing (Edit: government funds) in Washington DC. I have no idea what the laws are in China.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:26 | 2844078 Dr. Engali
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Uh hmm ... No consequence for stealing in China, but there is in the U.S. ? Does the name Corzine ring a bell? Consequences in the U.S. are for little people.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:50 | 2844397 GetZeeGold
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What's wrong with stealing from dirt farmers? They're just people in flyover country.




Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:12 | 2844065 toady
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Betcha Bo is pretty happy to be on the outside these days, as long as he gets out alive.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:16 | 2844068 lolmao500
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The communist party in China is like the Free Shit Army in the US. A corrupt and morally bankrupt organization that will destroy it's host.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:25 | 2844231 FreedomGuy
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Yes, people do not realize that in order to survive in the old communist regimes you lied about everything from "We love the dictator!" to "Yes, we will have that done on time without cutting corners." When you have absolute power, then power grants favors. So lieing and connections are built into the system. In the Soviet Union it was all held together by fear. When the fear disappeared it collapsed suddenly. The Chinese are trying a transition.

History teaches that men do not give up power willingly. At some point there would have to be a bumpy uneven transition. There is also a strong desire to get even with the former oppressors.

China's equally large problem is they have also learned all the bad parts of Keynsian economics and practiced it on a typically Chinese scale. if they ever figured out they chose the wrong theories they will find they are in a bigger mess than they presumed.

We can only hope they transition to some form of liberty and maybe even learn from our mistakes.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:15 | 2844320 Gully Foyle
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"Yes, people do not realize that in order to survive in the old communist regimes you lied about everything from "We love the dictator!" to "Yes, we will have that done on time without cutting corners." When you have absolute power, then power grants favors. So lieing and connections are built into the system"

Other than the word "dictator" how is that description different from the US?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:41 | 2844332 old naughty
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"Other than the word "dictator" how is that description different from the US?"

On Nov 6, you may elect one.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:26 | 2847336 matrix2012
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""Other than the word "dictator" how is that description different from the US?"

On Nov 6, you may elect one."


The Elite Choice in 2012:



"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." – Lysander Spooner



"Western democracies are ossified bastions of self-perpetuating interest groups, aided & abetted & legitimitised by the ritualised spectacle that we call elections" -- Unknown Indian author

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 22:05 | 2847202 FreedomGuy
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On a governmental level we are not much better. On a business level we are way ahead because one of the things a free market demands is integrity. Products that fail to measure up to their hype are punished. People who know nearly nothing about cars know from the markets that they have better odds of a quality vehicle with Honda or Toyota.

I will also tell you that is absolutely possible and probable that we will corrupt our country and culture at all levels as we proceed to the left. We presume we are smarter than the rest of the world. If we do the same things that crush their societies we will find out we are not. In fact, history a couple hundred years from now may well record what fools we were to trade liberty and prosperity for checks and impossible promises that had already failed around the world.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:16 | 2844069 deki
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I think we need Dictatorship so we can have only one guy stealing from taxpayers...with democracy we have at least 1000 motherfuckers stealing.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:40 | 2844095 Harbanger
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I'm Barack H. Obama and I approve this message.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:16 | 2844322 Gully Foyle
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You didn't approve that by yourself.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:47 | 2844393 GetZeeGold
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You're right.....I seconded it.



Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:28 | 2844232 FreedomGuy
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I have actually heard arguments and analyses to that effect. Do you think that the kings, queens, emperors and monarchs of old ever had the level of control and knowledge over their "subjects" that our elected government has over our "free citizens"? Not even close.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:02 | 2844293 ffart
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I guess all you had to worry about was some lord descending on you to burn your farmstead down or take your daughter as one of his concubines. I wonder what the lifetime odds of that happening were, though? Couldn't have been too high since they had to spend so much time plotting against each other.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 21:58 | 2847191 FreedomGuy
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Really? What history do you read? There has always been different processes in different governments to do those things. Why don't you ask the Jews of the 1940's if that happened in modern history. You might consult ex-soviets, maoist Chinese or even property owners in the Kelo decision. Perhaps you watched Braveheart reruns but it was not unique to Scotland or that part of history.

My point is that the modern bureaucratic state has more intimate detailed knowledge of your life than any time in history. I also suggest that the actual taxes paid are equal to or higher than the feudal era. So, our freedom sounds nice but in fact it is evaporating before our eyes.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:18 | 2844074 CheapBastard
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I don't know if teh Commies are doomed but I DO KNOW I enjoyed the Chinese models at the car show they showed online....tiny pasties is all they wore!!!


If only The Chairman could see them now...

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:27 | 2844082 tony bonn
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democracy and freedom are not synonyms....amerika is a fascist democracy....democracy is a tool for plutocrats to exploit by pretending they are offering people a choice when in fact it is only the choice which the fascists want the stupid people to have.....

china is controlled by the same wall street freaks who control america.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 01:25 | 2844202 i-dog
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"democracy and freedom are not synonyms"


From the article: "whether the party can manage a democratic transition to save itself"

... translates to: "if the party can manage the change from an overt oligopoly to a hidden oligopoly"!

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:07 | 2844255 Ghordius
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counterquestion: are all democracies like this? or is this irrelevant since the US example is the only one that matters? to me, you sound like fascist front-fodder by throwing the democracy baby out with the dirty corruption water...

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:54 | 2844344 nmewn
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"...are all democracies like this? or is this irrelevant since the US example is the only one that matters?"

America was not setup to be a democracy, so its no small wonder its not "working" in any sense of the word work. Mob rule is a wonderful thing as long as you're part of the mob voting block...but when the mob turns its attention towards you, its a little late to stop it and ask it for a vote on its intentions.

A mob will not stop.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:15 | 2844354 New_Meat
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I always liked the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" as a verbal perversion.  It predates Lackoff (The pink elephant guy) who gave us the constant use of "investments" that are anything but.

- Ned

[ed.  Scott Brown and Professor Warren (fake indian and not, apparently licensed lawyer) will be debating tonight, streaming on]

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 20:30 | 2846955 nmewn
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Fauxcahontas came bearing the gift of the smallpox infested blanket of "You Didn't Build That" is almost too good to be true ;-)

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:59 | 2844394 Ghordius
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nmewn, it's in English, or more exactly in US-English that recent propaganda is destroying the historic, "usual" sense of the word "democracy". America was set up through a constitution as a (watch it, another of those words) federation of republics based on democratic principles, including free and secret elections of the executive and the legislative.

as long as there was no standing federal army, little or no federal taxes and a small federal navy for the rest of the world the US of A was technically a confederation (you guys fought a war about this little difference of wording and the practical meaning of it, this to show that it's not just irrelevant words for some). A member of the "family" of "democracies" which includes countries where "democracy" is not a bad word.

democracy is a principle - it's about how you apply this principle that several countries differ. nevertheless, it's correct to say that the US of A is a federated republic and it's correct to say that it is a democracy. you might of course input that it's not working well, if you wish

it's bad enough that Bush II pontificated about "spreading democracy" as if it were his invention, my point is that this word does not belong to the US alone. currently, democracy works, in several countries

interestingly, the freedom-loving, slave-owning, rebellious and dueling Founding Fathers would probably agree with me - they spent a lot of time thinking about how democratic and republican principles "function" and how they are systems. I think they would be appalled by how 21st Century Americans discuss (or worse, not) technicalites around how you get those systems to function properly

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 20:21 | 2846933 nmewn
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Thanks for the reply, I'm always interested in how our cousins across the pond think. I know its late there where you are and as you know I work, forgive my late reply.

"it's in English, or more exactly in US-English that recent propaganda is destroying the historic, "usual" sense of the word "democracy". America was set up through a constitution as a (watch it, another of those words) federation of republics based on democratic principles, including free and secret elections of the executive and the legislative."

Well, that usual sense of the word (democracy) applied to something else in the past. Whether a street sweeper, baker, blacksmith (whatever) everyone had "skin in the game". It is my opinion, that in order to vote, one cannot be a ward of the state. It is wholly improper for one who is asking for charity from the taxing of their neighbor, the baker, the streetsweeper etc. have the ability to cancel out that vote...that is where "democracy" burns down to...well...something other than what can be described as democracy.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”-Alexis de Tocqueville

But to your larger was setup as a voluntary federation of individual states.

"(you guys fought a war about this little difference of wording and the practical meaning of it, this to show that it's not just irrelevant words for some)"

There was no fight over the word democracy. I defy anyone to find the word "democracy"in the Constitution, its not there. There was, of course, the expectation of having a valid, mutually agreed upon contract being respected by both parties in a "confederation", the states and the federalis. That was abridged by commercial interests in the north...NE in particular.

"it's bad enough that Bush II pontificated about "spreading democracy" as if it were his invention, my point is that this word does not belong to the US alone. currently, democracy works, in several countries"

Leaving aside O'Barry uttering the same platitudes as Bush Jr...where? Surely not the ME & this "Arab Spring" debacle. If you're sittin around thinking "democracy" will work as some magic tonic in cultures that have never known democracy you are mistaken. 

"interestingly, the freedom-loving, slave-owning, rebellious and dueling Founding Fathers would probably agree with me - they spent a lot of time thinking about how democratic and republican principles "function" and how they are systems. I think they would be appalled by how 21st Century Americans discuss (or worse, not) technicalites around how you get those systems to function properly"

Why do I feel like I'm being baited? ;-)

You do realize that it was the empires of Britain, Spain, Dutch, Portugal et al that set up slavery as a device of their commerce right?

I'm of the opinion that the word "democracy" is used as nothing more than a pandering ruse to placate the proles. If the word republic were used, the proles might have completely different ideas of tradition and the rule of law...where some things are removed from popular opinion (almost like gravity) and manipulation...the most imporatant single man or institution is above the matter what the proles or elites say.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:29 | 2844086 hannah
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mao once said to me “Optimist only sees doughnut. Pessimist sees hole.”


china commie party will be in power til it isnt. no need to worry about it.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:43 | 2844107 bahaar
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In Mao's time Chinese saw neither.  They were too hungry.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 01:27 | 2844204 hannah
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mao didnt die in china...He escaped, and opened a Donut Shop in Los Angeles.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:53 | 2844399 GetZeeGold
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Score one for Capitalism.


Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:31 | 2844088 Heyoka Bianco
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It's too bad anarchy has become synonymous with chaos, instead of its true nature: just as the greatest style of martial arts is no style at alll, the greatest form of government is no government at all. Before all the douchebags start firing off the "imagine how bad it would be without government!" memes (it always seems to somehow work back to "no good roads"?!), please to be pointing out any other form of "-archy" that hasn't rapidly devolved into a parasitic few living high on the back of the miserable masses (the fact that the miserable masses have become comfortable with that state of affairs, as long as there's enough distractions, is a whole 'nother problem). None? Thought not.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:01 | 2844128 Anusocracy
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If it were likely that anarchy was really a system doomed to fail, TPTB would have allowed it to exist to prove it.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:41 | 2844170 Poor Grogman
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I agree with the observation that in all discussions of getting rid of Government the discussion always boils down to..

But how would we fund the roads?

Solve the road funding issue and we have solved the "need for government" in the mind of most of the population.

We need to somehow bring together some creative solutions to this issue....

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:57 | 2844181 Harbanger
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The creative solution is the US Constitution.  If we truly followed it, the Govt would be very limited and you would be very happy.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:32 | 2844236 FreedomGuy
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They usually add that we would have MORE crime, pollution, traffic accidents, etc. They will not say or admit it but they believe in the old monarch's adage "Men must be ruled!"


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:20 | 2844324 Gully Foyle
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Heyoka Bianco

Finally a man who understand what Anarchy really is about.

I get a kick out of US Libertarians who don't realize they are just small government Republicans because REAL Libertarians are Anarchists.

That's why Ayn Rand despised them and labeled them "hippies of the right".

We live in muddled times.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:34 | 2844090 eigenvalue
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There is a book called The Coming Collapse of China which was published in 2001. It claims the collapse of China was imminent... But 11 years later, the communist regime is still there...

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:06 | 2844139 Non Passaran
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To be off by a decade or two in these matters is no big deal.
Look at us at ZH... Keep studying the problem and fine-tuning your predictions while getting ready...

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:39 | 2844094 reader2010
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They will attack Japan first before they attack us. 

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:04 | 2844135 Non Passaran
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You're an idiot.
Under the treaty, both parties assumed an obligation to maintain and develop their capacities to resist armed attack in common and to assist each other in case of armed attack on territories under Japanese administration.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:46 | 2844173 reader2010
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Are you stupid? It is only a piece of paper, after all. 

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:02 | 2844251 Ghordius
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you still have not explained why they should attack Japan. you might be astonished to hear that wars happen for a reason. unless you provide a reason I concur with Non Passaran and find your statement on the idiotic side

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:41 | 2844099 KickIce
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CNTR-P and give yourself a raise, seems to work for the Ben and the US.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:17 | 2844108 Conman
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Collapse of China is already undeway. Reason: outsourcing. They are no longer the lowest cost provider for manufactuing. Proof Foxconn moving manufactuing to Brazil. Nike sweatshops now in indonesia, vietnam, etc. Labor costs coupled with rising food prices(thanks benny boy and all the psychopatic CBS) are going to doom the communist party.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:34 | 2844237 FreedomGuy
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They are also moving some stuff farther inland where it is cheaper. They are ruthless in this. They lived by cost, they die by cost.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 02:34 | 2844238 FreedomGuy
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They are also moving some stuff farther inland where it is cheaper. They are ruthless in this. They lived by cost, they die by cost.

Sun, 09/30/2012 - 23:58 | 2844125 williambanzai7
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Not to worry, they can switch over to a Banksterocracy like we have.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:02 | 2844131 Heyoka Bianco
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According to Banzai's final Friday picture, the "democratic transition zone" is right next to the bikini area.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:03 | 2844132 q99x2
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'Thus, the answer to the question of the durability of one-party rule in China is clear: its prospects are doomed.'

Nothing a good old fashioned war can't fix.

China went doomed after the mid-east, Greece, Spain and the US so maybe with a little Goldman guidance and QE they can find a way to hold on until the banksters bleed them dry.

That should take about 4 years.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:03 | 2844133 XitSam
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I start questioning when an author says there are only two options, and proceeds to analyze those two options. If there is anyone to come up with other options, it is the Chinese.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:18 | 2844364 New_Meat
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The PRC has their own set of "labratories of economics" testing out various practices.  Right on. - Ned

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:21 | 2844151 ebworthen
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The real question is what does the People's Liberation Army (P.L.A.) do?

After watching the opening of Olympics in Beijing, I kind of doubt they are teetering on the brink.

They will likely start a regional conficlt, war with a superpower, or WWIII to stoke nationalism before giving in.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:26 | 2844156 Joebloinvestor
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The crooks in China want it to happen as fast as possible to get rid of capital punishment so they can operate unabated.

Formerly an option only for elites with power and money.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 00:30 | 2844162 Jim in MN
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Domed?  Why yes it is.  Quite rounded on top.

Next question....


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 01:45 | 2844213 teahouse
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if only we would really know what there is inside the belly of China, 

between non performing, loans, empty house and office, full subsidised industry, financial assets write off, etc, etc, etc...

the blow should be fairly big;

or altenatively...


My 2 cents says: that USA will trade-off Japan with China; if China trades with USA, IRAN.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:19 | 2844261 Crash2012
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I look for the simplest answer when totalitarian governments are presented with the option of changing or enforcing.

The ONLY way the communists lose power is IF they lose control of the military. So far, I have seen NOTHING to make me believe they will not simply shoot any 'serious' opposition.

Nuff said

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:26 | 2844263 forrestdweller
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still calling themselves communist party,

but of course they are more a party of absolute rulers; the dictatorial party of china.

but that doesn't sound good on tv.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 03:52 | 2844279 toomanyfakecons...
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I'd say the commie leadership in China is in a more secure position than our own fearless leaderrs. The commies don't have the long arm of the Constitution or the spectre of being hung for treason to worry about. The illegitimate U.S. federal government is a political house of cards, easily blown down in a storm of MASS ARRESTS...

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 04:46 | 2844287 BlackholeDivestment
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Judgment is now upon all the nations, for having profited from these commie bastards, and there is no escape from it. The market is sealed and the great geopolitical tribulation shall come ...very soon. The strong delusion of our leaders defines the commie cup of fornication and the compromised drunken market whore. The wine of wrath shall be poored out, and when that happens a few years or less from now, it shall define what has been aborted and reward a double portion to every stinking bastard in the end. Everyone sealed in agreement, proven by not even making any effort whatsoever to at least divest from the black hole in anyway, and thereby, also, who has accepted the bank notes of debt as principle without reservation, standing principally in agreement, and in contempt of life liberty freedom independence and justice for all, with these commie bastards, shall realize the return for having done so, world war. Count on it. 

It ain't just the Commie Party that is doomed ...bitchez.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:55 | 2844311 forrestdweller
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whoohoohoo. i'm scared.

big words, little thoughts.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:24 | 2844326 BlackholeDivestment
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...why would you fear the price you paid to kill yourself? LMAO, you big thinker you. Thanks for the small words though, they inspire larger thoughts.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:37 | 2844331 forrestdweller
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ahh, a philosopher.

your words are so deep, i cannot even begin to understand them.

thank you for your words, and i am happy to be al little inspiration for your larger thoughts.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 04:58 | 2844292 orangegeek
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Any updates on the expanding building of empty cities?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:03 | 2844294 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Is China's Communist Party Doomed?


If so, I'd gladly swap the CCP for the USSA's DemoPub Party - and thus getting the twofer of halting China's ascendancy and, after the Banker Trials here,  putting the New USA on a firm footing to economic recovery. 

Only problem is - it wouldnt be long before The DemoPub Chinese were droning the West Coast- 'cause we supposedly hated them "for their freedoms".....











Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:22 | 2844300 BlackholeDivestment
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...lets call them what they really are, after all, they are paid for with the full, lol, uh humm, credit of the tax payer. That'd beeee... The Great Wal Mart of China ZIRP QEvil ''Suicide Squid Drones'' ...thar NuYawkFrankie. 


                                              oooh nooo Mr. Bill!

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:40 | 2844304 Monedas
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What a "Sweeping Generosity" to compare the CCP to Taiwan and Mexico ?   It's not so benign !   Compare it to Norko, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Pakistan, Syria and other monstrosities like the Democrat Party ! A lot of wishful thinking by a Communist apologist !   The ultimate obscenity is the murder of freedom from inside .... by Obama !

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 05:40 | 2844308 falak pema
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Oligarchy first world and Communist china have many things in common... If the 1% rule the world then a one party "front" will be very à la mode all over a global politico-financial network; in economic attrition and recessionary reset.

NWO government by a crony political front could be  the model; like what Metternich and Castlereigh imposed in Europe after 1815. With Rothschilds money as grease for the global imposition of Pax Britannica as the outcome. East India Company as trailblazer to feed the RM pipeline of that age and political imperial doldrums in continental europe; as the industirial age created the New Oligarchs of the Oliver Twist and Les Misérables age. 

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:16 | 2844309 Monedas
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They didn't have to take the punch bowl away .... you drank the whole bowl of Socialist Kool-Aid !  Pax Britannica was a peroxide douche for the slimy cunts you crawled out of !    When do you third world vermin show us your Pax Muslim ? Pax Black Hole of Calcutta ? Pax Pol Pot ? Pax Pox ?        You're lucky there were and still are English gentlemen .... try becoming one ?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:46 | 2844336 falak pema
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Heil Monedas, preaching about being gentlemanly and English.

Your sense of history is as deformed as your sense of logic; its called inbred prejudice, and your mom should have left you with those Project Manhattan successors, to teach you gentemanly first world sparkling logic.  

Pol Pot is a direct result of Kissinger's mad play and "side war" in Camdodia, when he knew Vietnam was on the point of being lost. Mad dog perverted reasoning in a tiny fragile eco-system begets mad dogs on the other side to fight the napalm disseminators of meaningless fascista Armageddon. Its a dirty spiral. To understand it look at causality, before your show your superior logic. Just like what Dear Henry did in Chile and during project Condor days. Its been PAx Americana's world disease, in the footsteps of PAx Britannica a century before; opium wars, three hundred treaties torn up in India in divide and conquer, and all of Africa plunged under colonial boot of white man's burden. Very gentlemanly ideed. 

I ain't a Pax Muslim fanatic; that is more down your Pax Americana logic, which beds with Wahhabites. Islamic theocracy never learnt the logic I respect as it never learnt  Enlightenment and lost what little it had learned from Aristotle  when Europe rediscovered Renaissance. It fell back into the obscurantist logic; the sort of modern bull-shit that you venerate called free markets and Oligarchy rule of a new elite social power network, like religion of old; which in fact is a return to neo-feudalism, of which your English gentlemanly class have been uber-practitioners since Oliver Twist days. 

Read what is written here before you froth at the mouth like a pavlovial dog in your knee-jerk. 

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:08 | 2844350 forrestdweller
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divide and conquer. no moral needed.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 11:07 | 2845088 Monedas
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My clever little posts are too short to be considered true "frothing" !

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 16:44 | 2846466 Optimusprime
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Don't forget the Sassoons and the opium trade.  I have read that opium was the single most important trade article of the nineteenth century.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 06:53 | 2844342 steveo77
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Radiation going up slowly and quickly across the US

A quick review shows some very disturbing trends.

An obvious uptrend in radiation is spreading across the country, with some areas seeing scary high levels.   Something happened around Sept 17th.   

Rule of thumb is that exposure to 100 CPM clicks per minute for a year results in a real risk of cancer, 500 CPM for 90 days is a real risk.

Many places are now up over 100,

25 is "normal" we just don't get that much lower.   And back in the day, before Fuku, 50% to 66% of us got cancer, what will the new normal be.  

Basic protective measures, air filters, anti-oxidants.     Do them now if you are not on track.


Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:12 | 2854656 matrix2012
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@ steveo77, thanks for the link on Nuke Pro:, it's quite a useful site to keep track on the radiation issue along with the Fukushima Diary

each has its focus on the different region!

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:27 | 2844375 Crassus
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China is an empire. It can only be ruled by emperors no matter what they call their economic system.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:32 | 2844383 gregga777
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This story just as easily applies to the Democratic and Republican parties, as it does to the Chines Communist Party.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 08:56 | 2844534 sessinpo
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Never doomed. You can't eliminate stupidity. I'm an example of that.


Simply reset.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 09:08 | 2844588 andrewp111
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Just because a totalitarian regime can fail does not mean that it has to be replaced with Democracy. It can be replaced with another totalitarian regime. China has had a history of wild swings in policy. The Great Leap Forward, The Cultural Revolution.  Maybe what they need is another cultural revolution to reset the clock.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 09:36 | 2844710 boiltherich
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China's Communist Party Doomed?


China has a communist Party?

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 09:37 | 2844717 Sparkey
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Sure they are done, eventually, What does Tyler say; With a long enough time line?, I think that encompasses everyone and everything. Even the Dinosaur fell prey to that truism.

Read some of the links in the article, the Nuclear Genie is out of the bottle, our fate is sealed, will you go quickly, or will you linger, for a while, half alive, half dead, Mankind, and it's civilization have passed the terminal decline`Event horizon` and we are now declining, mentally, physically and morally, as a people we have no dreams of a better tomorrow for our children and most vunerable, a society without compassion has no future!

Welcome to dystopia!

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 22:42 | 2847259 matrix2012
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Rothschild/Soros/CIA clan lost huge investment in China's ouster of Bo Xilai...

Huge repercussions predicted after power shakeup in China....

March , 2012 -- Rothschild/Soros/CIA clan lost huge investment in China's ouster of Bo Xilai...


Most Americans have probably never heard the name PAUL DESMARAIS. However, DESMARAIS is the CANADIAN TYCOON who is said to front for THE ROTHSCHILD FAMILY in running the wealthy and influential POWER CORPORATION OF CANADA. Desmarais has also reportedly been the power-behind-the-throne for at least five Canadian Prime Ministers: Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien (whose daughter is married to Desmarais's son Andre), Paul Martin, and ZIOCON Stephen Harper....

Desmarais is also a close friend and supporter of French President Nicolas MOSSAD Sarkozy, who scrapped the Gaullist policy of supporting sovereignty for FRENCH-SPEAKING QUEBEC, abandoned the policy. Desmarais is vehemently opposed to independence for Quebec. Desmarais has used his influence and wealth to ensure the loyalty of at least two pro-federal Quebec Premiers, former Premier Daniel Johnson and current Premier Jean Charest.

DESMARAIS founded the CANADA CHINA BUSINESS COUNCIL and struck up a personal friendship with Bo while he was mayor of Dalian.

Desmarais, through his son ANDRE, who took over as president of POWER CORPORATION, the tycoon's relationship was maintained with Bo when he became Communist party First Secretary in Chongqing. Chretien and Canada's far right-wing evangelical former Trade and Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day also maintained close contact with Bo through the Desmarais lobbying operation in China.

Harper has also been close to Bo and the demotion of the Chinese Communist regional leader is a blow to Harper's business outreach to China, which has included an offer for Alberta tar sands oil since the moratorium by the Obama administration on the Keystone pipeline project from Canada to Texas.

Chretien served on the board of Power Corporation's Consolidated Bathurst Ltd. and he and his son-in-law, ANDRE DESMARAIS, who is married to Chretien's daughter France and owns MANULIFE INSURANCE and CIRQUE DU SOLEIL, were keen to land power plant deals in China, with the assistance of Bo. Chretien's nephew, RAYMOND CHRETIEN, was named CANADA'S AMBASSADOR TO CHINA to help facilitate energy deals between Power Corporation and China.

Desmarais, who has been less-than-candid about his religious affiliation, is a strong influence on the Harper government's strong support for the right-wing government of Israel. In fact, the "Marais" in "Desmarais" is the historically Jewish neighborhood of Paris. And PAUL DESMARAIS is known to associate with the Jewish upper crust in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintains one of his homes.

Another close associate of Desmarais is MAURICE STRONG, who once served as President of Power Corporation before he became a UN senior bureaucrat who became the LEADING PROPONENT of GREENHOUSE GAS CARBON CREDITS under the KYOTO CLIMATE CHANGE CONTROL PROTOCOLS. Desmarais, the Rothschilds, and Soros has also feathered the nest of Bo's son, BO GUAGUA, who attended ELITE PREPARATORY SCHOOLS IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, as well as OXFORD, a pre-requisite for what Desmarais and the Rothschilds hoped would be the beginning of a BILDERBERG GROUP / COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS (CFR) stranglehold on China. BO GUAGUA was also a member of the OXFORD EMERGING MARKETS STUDENT CLUB, a training ground for Rothschild/Soros implants in targeted nations.


PAUL DESMARAIS and his Rothschild consortium business partners, including EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD and vulture capitalist SOROS, had a lot of hopes invested in Bo being elected to the Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party. However, a series of incidents, culminating in the mysterious visit of Bo's chief of police for Chongqing, Wang Lijun, to the U.S. Consulate General in Chengdu, nixed any chances that Bo would be elevated to the Politburo, one of nine members of China's top leadership, to fulfill the GRAND PLAN of Desmarais and the Rothschilds, namely, BO BECOMING THE MIKHAIL GORBACHEV OF CHINA to set about DISESTABLISHING THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC in favor of a capitalist contrivance that would return China to the neo-colonial glory days of economic serfdom and Western financial dominance.

WMR has been informed by our sources in China that the anti-crime exploits of Bo and his former police chief Wang were overly hyped and that the criminals they prosecuted and convicted in Chongqing were mostly small-time criminals. The Politburo discovered that Bo's dealings with the Rothschilds, Desmarais, and Soros constituted a major criminal conspiracy against the People's Republic and its economy.

Meanwhile, the Rothschilds and their network, including Soros/CIA, are livid about Bo's ouster. It can be expected that the SOROS NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION (NGO) GLOBAL NETWORK will now try to foment A THEMED REVOLUTION in China, not one based on a "soft power" themed revolution using social networks, but one more prone to violence like the uprisings in Libya and Syria. The Rothschild/Soros clique wants to punish outgoing President Hu Jintao; Prime Minister Wen Jiabao; incoming President Xi Jinping; Bo's chief rival, Guangdong party secretary Wang Yang; and Vice Premier Li Keqiang. After failing to unseat Vladimir Putin in the Russian presidential election, the Rothschilds/Soros financial cartel -- with the Obama CIA administration wall to wall... as their willing accomplices -- will do anything to bring about violent change in Beijing and Moscow....




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