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Guest Post: Two Unlikely Patron Saints: Seve and Obama

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Submitted by Ben Tanosborn of Tanosborn Online blog,

I am well aware that Calvinists consider patron saints a form of idolatry, but for the most part Christians and many non-Christians alike, some out of faith but most out of habit or circumstance see with favor having an advocate intercede on their behalf in the many problems that beset their lives.  Yes, a patron saint!

Team Europe (golf) had one in Seve (Ballesteros) this past Sunday in Medinah, Illinois, as the Europeans overcame a record insurmountable lead (away from home) to retain the Ryder Cup.  Seve, the Myth, became Seve, the Patron Saint of European golf, just short of four months after his death.  The miracle of Medinah was viewed by millions of golf faithful and unfaithful alike, but even pagans had their deist doubts after looking at teary-eyed Captain “Chema” Olazábal, Seve’s best friend and protégée.

Watching this epic afternoon of golf, I couldn’t help but think of President Obama… and, although he doesn’t “metaphysically” qualify as a patron saint, his election four years ago to occupy the White House is as close as one might come to crossing to the great beyond.  And I started to think of him as the patron saint of “gentler capitalism.”

Four years ago, progressives fooled themselves into believing that having a lesser evil occupying the White House would help transform our rampant imperial eagle into a friendlier bird of prey, not just in matters of war, but in moderating the ugly face of predatory capitalism as well.  At least such was the hope – mine was.  It didn’t occur to us that electing Barack Obama to the presidency might yield quite the opposite result. Which it did… and it did in a major way!

Had John McCain been the victor in 2008, one can rest assured that his administration would not have done any better in defusing the financial crisis, changing the politics of war, or creating any more jobs.  If anything, conditions for the bottom 80 percent of Americans would likely have deteriorated at a faster pace, and in a larger scale. And, as a result, people throughout the nation would be up in arms and instead of a milquetoast Occupy movement, we might be out in the streets in these pre-election days with a modern version of Julius Caesar’s Veni Vidi Vici… “Occupy Obviate Obliterate” being the cry to arms, the cry to justice this time around.

And we would be asking for the heads of Wall Street banksters, politicians and others, who combined to perpetrate a multi-trillion-dollar, world-wide, financial assault.  No, we have no need for jurists to tell us whether this holocaustic defalcation is or is not a crime; and just as the French stormed the Bastille to declare their freedom, Americans would be assailing the Wall Street fortress and its capitalist prison.

By chance or circumstance, Obama was the perfect man to have at the White House… perfect for this band of thugs that had raped the nation. They were safe from prosecution knowing that neither the president nor his chosen attorney general, Eric Holden, had the stomach to conduct a criminal investigation against the very people who had provided major help in getting Obama elected to the high office.

Elected Obama became the perfect shield/defender for past criminality in acts of war (Bush-son, Cheney and their lackeys) and in acts of financial defalcation (Wall Street blue-bloods)… he seemed believable when he claimed that apparent business misconduct, or misuse of US bullying power, could not make it in a court of criminal law.  A “President McCain,” without a lily-white personal and business background, would not have held the same credibility throughout the nation.

We could say that Obama, by not having the Justice Department bring to trial key members of the Thug-elite, became the patron saint of “gentler capitalism”; that’s probably what he will prefer to be known, using the pretext of further endangering an already divided nation.  But that is precisely where he is wrong.  It isn’t “gentler capitalism” that he has helped.  By his lack of courageous action, he has interceded on behalf of the Thug-elite… and, although we are sure such was not his intention, he has become, de facto, St. Barack Obama, Patron Saint of Predatory Capitalism.


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Mon, 10/01/2012 - 22:57 | 2847287 AU5K
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Epic fail of an article.  His pathology is a 1000x worse.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:19 | 2847315 Bananamerican
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"St. Barack Obama, Patron Saint of Predatory Capitalism."

O is a Marxist Socialist Collectivist™......haven't you heard?

 (sarc off)

All the Rightists on ZH are as easily bamboozled as any Liberallz™ in thrall to the "black dude", by the ancient Red Menace rhetoric of the Right.


Anyone else with half a brain can see he's just another pre-packaged bagman for the CorpoRAT elite... just like Bush before him...

The genius of the amerikan oligarchy was in pre-selecting a NEGRO to ocuppy the white house this time.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:27 | 2847339 knukles
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daz razist... he not a negro, he be a mulato

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:34 | 2847348 tickhound
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... particularly when he needs the white vote.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:44 | 2847368 Richard Chesler
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"St. Barack Obama, Patron Saint of Predatory Capitalism."

The pig-elite actually refers to him only as "the  help".


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:55 | 2847385 tickhound
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Yeah... 'So here's the role you're gonna play, O.  Any questions?  As the Zapruder film rolls...

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 00:30 | 2847440 Oh regional Indian
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An obomination. An obamanation.

Roaming on my Knee? Your hand? That's a bath-house trick, dick.

Chick? Ah Go...

It's older, my taste. And white haired to boot.

Yes yes, the one I lick.

Go on, be a Dick.





Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:12 | 2847483 rocker
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Just sayin'.    Chicago Bears and White House fans, (Bambi and Rahm Emanuel) beats Cowboys and Texas FED, (Fisher and jerry jones) to a pulp fragment.

Fisher a stage show fed oficial and jerry jones a want to be coach got their asses kicked again. It's too funny, Really !!!  Correlation, Yes, Maybe, Thinks so.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 04:55 | 2847601 sunaJ
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This article is important because it is in the voice of one who believed in Obama.  In the realm of the sometimes persnickety ZH (and any, really) comment board, the subtler possibilities may be lost in the pursuit of the hyperbolic up-arrow zinger. 

This is one of the best articles on ZH, but unfortunately will most likely remain one of the least read (or "liked").  Such is the degree of polarization in America: believing that Obama is a Muslim soldier; illegitimate non-U.S. citizen; financial corrupt insider or simply a nigger of the Jews, makes you blind to more alarming possibilities.  Instead of allowing for the possibility that he is just a man (a fellow primate) - no more superhuman or diabolical than you, trying to interpret what the hell is going on - you miss the terror of his failure and ignorance, along with the tremendous encumbrance of this corruption.

This author was a believer and now he isn't.  I was one too, and perhaps this article is written for us, by him like us.  We, as you, end up with much the same conclusion about this "system." Until people unite against the system, the blatant corruption will continue to flourish and reign supreme.  Having this opinion does not excuse anything about Obama's actions.  I no longer "hope." I demand revolution and redress.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 05:02 | 2847620 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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I agree. But for me, something didn't smell right from the start. An inexperienced junior senator? As young as he is? and BLACK? Why on earth would the powers that BE let this happen? Unless he was the Manchurian Candidate. Perfect air cover for the thieving to continue as usual.

The tell for me came before the inauguration, when he said Tim Geithner and Larry Summers would be his financial "Picks". I said oh shit here we go again.

And now it's perfect: they can bomb and spy and steal to their heart's content and the Left doesn't say a thing about it.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 08:07 | 2847785 GetZeeGold
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OK....we'll try marxism one more time....but then that's it.


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 05:19 | 2847628 Urban Redneck
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I've always been an iconoclast.

The Calvinists were hardly the first, and certainly are only a small minority of the practitioners.

The worship of the Federal State as Saviour of the People is heresy against both religion and logic.


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 07:39 | 2847722 LongSoupLine
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I believe the whole analysis and analogy is a waaay overreach.  Lets break it down to its real root:



Chicago politician...bought and paid for by special interest long before he took presidential office...highly corrupt...possibly the best speaker to lemming voting public in US history.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 11:45 | 2847562 LMAOLORI
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Bullshit they refer to him as Godfather the few fine's he has gotten from a few of them was just a reminder of who really is in charge.  Anyone who tries to make trouble for the Banks or puts a damper on his spending he persecutes like Egan his administration is going after Egan-Jones the only ratings agency that isn't paid by the banks again. Obama's been working hand in hand with the banks since he was a nothing junior senator. His populist rhetoric was a joke. Some liberal's knew and warned about him (below) but they were drowned out.

Obama’s Money Cartel How he’s fronted for the most vicious firms on Wall Street


Barack’s Wall Street Problem is Now America’s


SEC Sues the One Rating Firm Not on Wall Street’s Take Why Can't Obama Bring Wall Street to Justice? snip

" Two months into his presidency, Obama summoned the titans of finance to the White House, where he told them, "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks."

The bankers may have found the president's tone unsettling. Candidate Obama had been their guy, accepting vast amounts of Wall Street campaign money for his victories over Hillary Clinton and John McCain (Goldman Sachs executives ponied up $1 million, more than any other private source of funding in 2008). Obama far outraised his Republican rival, John McCain, on Wall Street--around $16 million to $9 million. As it turned out, Obama apparently actually meant what he said at that White House meeting--his administration effectively would stand between Big Finance and anything like a severe accounting. 

McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005



What was this bill?  The act would have done the following:

(1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.

Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.

It never made it out of committee.  Chris Dodd, then the ranking member of the Banking Committee and now its chair, was in the middle of receiving preferential loan treatment from Countrywide Mortgage, one of the companies gaming the system in the credit crisis.  Meanwhile, Barack Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyists McCain mentions in this speech, making him the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money




Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:28 | 2847340 jeff montanye
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you are so right.  the concept of prepackaged bagman for the corporate elite just like bush before him so totally sums things up.  when will we ever learn?

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 07:25 | 2847698 max2205
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There are 70 million semi intelligent baby boomers who can do the math and are not going to put up with zirp savings rates till long after they can't afford to retire.

Something is gonna break soon. The theft has gone too long.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 03:25 | 2847572 MisterMousePotato
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To be exact, the Muslim homo is, in fact, a dark skinned hamitic caucasian.

Consider that his tribe in Kenya is as far removed (geographically speaking) from the Gold Coast (where there are 'negros') as Paris is from Moscow.

It would be like calling me Mexican or Canadian because we're all in North America.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:33 | 2847345 tickhound
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You ain't gotta clue.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:02 | 2847295 q99x2
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I'll be your Hulkleberry.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:22 | 2847331 jeff montanye
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nice pun.  so obvious after the fact, as all great jokes are.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:03 | 2847298 aka Gil
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The Ryder Cup was great metaphoric theater this year: "The Collapse of Team USA".

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:37 | 2847352 Dr. Engali
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That's the same comment I made to colleagues at work.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 00:39 | 2847452 Oh regional Indian
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Medinah Star Tribune headline:

The Ryder Cup Runneth Over ..... to the other side.


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:37 | 2847506 Galahad Threepwood
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Yeah but your metaphor fails when it comes to the European recovery

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:07 | 2847307 vinayjha
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Obama  - the only non working president to last 4 year and hoping to last another 4 year.


Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:33 | 2847346 Doomer
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One has to wonder if Obama gets some perverse pleasure in knowing he will get reelected as the country is being pillaged.  Those who vote for Obama are like the geeks and rejects who vote for the cool kid for class president, even though he stole their lunch money.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:55 | 2847388 adr
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Amazing what a house negro can accomplish.

Of course he's always doin the biddin of the masta, gets to live in tha big house ya know. Eat dat fine cookin of tha misses.

Guess Obama got to love matzo soup and gefilte fish at a very young age.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:06 | 2847479 otto skorzeny
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if you thought he was an arrogant prick for the last 4 years...

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:40 | 2847362 Sizzurp
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US team folded like a cheap suit.  Epic choke.  Poor captains picks by DLIII.  Furyk and Strick were awful.  Phil looked like he wanted to go give Rosie a big hug.  Pathetic.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:44 | 2847369 tickhound
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Totally agree... Phil never minds taking it up the ass.  Otherwise he'd have won 12 majors by now.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:06 | 2847477 otto skorzeny
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all fillers-no killers.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 02:51 | 2847560 ClassicalLib17
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"Golf sucks,"  Lt. Col. David Grossman

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 03:31 | 2847578 MisterMousePotato
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As a spectator sport, I think the Colonel might be correct.

However, playing it ... hitting a ball square, true, and hard with a driver is just a thrilling feeling. Much like the visceral thrill when a trout rises to a fly. A hunter once told me it's the same feeling as drawing a bead on a prize buck. (I've never hunted, but he was trying to explain to me why he enjoyed it, knowing of my passion for fly fishing.)

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:49 | 2847520 sosoome
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I blame Love mostly. His singles line-up was as loony as his picks. Yea, anchor with the two worst performers; the two who should have been benched Saturday afternoon.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:40 | 2847363 Dr. Engali
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I love reading the political chat boards with the reds and the blues fighting it out , pretending like their guy is standing up for them. Idiot's... all of them, and they wonder why we are fucked.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:50 | 2847380 TideFighter
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So true, when Bananas wears the black and white stripes, just like lingerie referees. It doesn't matter how polished the players are when fucked-up replacements are calling the "game", never officiated at that level, probably has a few bucks down on the bad calls, and makes calls like he knows he's going to be fired. Then there's that football problem...

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:49 | 2847378 Yen Cross
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Everytime I have the mis-fortune of stumbling across TOTUS on a television station, I feel compelled to toast a couple of frozen waffles! That jackass is the " MASTER" of say one thing, and do the other, "AKA WAFFLER".

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:59 | 2847397 MiltonFriedmans...
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Just an aside, fuck you Bernanke.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 03:04 | 2847566 LMAOLORI
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Bernanke just said screw you to Congress and since they supposedly represent us that pompous ass just told us all to F off


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 08:49 | 2847900 Vince Clortho
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Congress has become a lost generation.

The concept of representing the people died somewhere along the way.  Congress is nothing more than House Servants for the banksters.

These puppets only function is to maintain the facade of a republic to hide the reality of a bankster plutocracy.

Let's watch to see how many of the homies in congress jump to the podium to denounce Bernanke.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 23:58 | 2847396 garcam123
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So VERY WELL said and had sad he threw away the mantle of greatness. God grant that he be given one more opportunity to rise to the real occasion and become a great president to sihine and compare for Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.  America needs a breath of fesh air!

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:04 | 2847475 otto skorzeny
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remove "big gov fascist" Lincoln and insert "Old Hickory" Andy Jackson in there- that white-haired bastard could bust some banker balls.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 08:50 | 2847902 Vince Clortho
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I hope you mean Teddy Roosevelt.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 00:01 | 2847398 adr
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Wait so the author bought into the manchurian's campaign message?

Kinder gentler capitalism? That would be local business making enough to live well. The end of TBTF, not the expansion of it.

Obama was and always will be for absolute theft capital misallocation.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 00:21 | 2847431 Lordflin
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Obama not intending to side with the thugs? Are you kidding? He is straight out of the Chicago mafia...

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:02 | 2847472 lailapa
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Global Debt Crisis - The greatest private fraud of human history


People should start getting ready for great trials ...for International Courts, where the current loan sharks shall give account. Monetarism criminals should sit on the same benches that once sat Nazi criminals. Rothschild, Rockefeller, Greenspan, Bernanke, Trichet, Soros, Buffett –and other “kids” of the loan sharking- should not sleep calmly from this point on.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:19 | 2847488 honestann
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predators DBA government
predators DBA corporations
predators DBA central-banks

Until humans understand that governments, corporations and organizations literally do not exist, humans are royally screwed.  They are merely a confusing front for predators, which do indeed exist.  That's what DBA means, "doing business as".  It means some real predatory being is hiding behind a fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy name.

Until humans understand this to the core of their being, they will not understand that ALL that is happening is simply real, living, breathing physical predators are destroying them by sucking them dry.

How many humans really... I mean really... understand this?  How many humans have sat down and performed the following simple visualization or "mind experiment"?

1, 2, 5, 25 or 100 humans sit down at a table and decide to create a fiction called "SugarHighBakery"... or "UnitedStatesOfAmerica".  Now, tell me, did that cause anything real to "pop into existence"?  Obviously not.  To be sure, the humans at that table reconfigured the weightings in various neural net nodes in their brains in order to have their brain act differently when they encounter the term "SugarHighBakery" or "UnitedStatesOfAmerica".  But nothing else happened, and most importantly, nothing new "popped into existence".  All that exists is the same 1, 2, 5, 25 or 100 humans that came into that room in the first place.

Yet... what?  Everyone on earth is now somehow obligated to insert a BLATANT FICTION about something that doesn't exist into their consciousness?  And somehow people 234 years later who were NOT in the room, who were NOT signatories, who have NOT consented to be governed... are supposed to be enslaved by a bunch of insane monkeys with delusions of grandeur who claim some vague connection to those yokels 234 years ago?

Are you serious?

Imagine what this must look like to aliens orbiting above earth in their cloaked spacecraft!  Do you think they would decide to communicate with human beings?

HELL NO.  No way, no how.  But they might (and probably should) decide to poison or vaporize the planet just to make sure none of the clearly rampant "insanity disease" spreads to other planets or outer space.

Sigh.  It really is tiring.  About 99% of all articles and long involved discussions are answered by pointing out that the fundamental terms in the discussion are fictions, and treating fictions as if they are real is the most fundamental form of insanity.  That is exactly accurate by the way --- inability to distinguish real from nothing is the most fundamental form of insanity, where "anything goes".

And indeed, just look what the predators-that-be have managed to make the mind of mankind do... swirl endlessly around in completely baseless fictions, and let themselves be led around by their clueless brains by... NOTHINGs (fictions).  Or if you prefer, by the silly fictions in their brains, which refer to NOTHINGs.

How pitiful can it get?

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 07:33 | 2847712 BigJim
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I like it, but you appear to be missing something, which is that the belief actually makes it real.

If enough people within a (usually completely arbitrary) geographic boundary believe they are 'citizens' of a 'country' that needs 'defending', then sufficient numbers of them will act in such a way to perpetuate the fiction.. ie, it's no longer a fiction. They will be willing to die (or kill, to put it more honestly) to defend their 'nation', their 'leaders'... their mindset.

The idea that I, through some accident of birth, am somehow morally obliged to support all this nonsense is absurd, though, I agree.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:08 | 2851072 honestann
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Let me get this straight.  You believe "SantaClaus" is real... because one billion kids believe he is real?  Somehow, I don't believe you are that far gone.

To continue the "SantaClaus" example, you bet your bippie that the "SantaClaus" mental-unit in the consciousness of one billion kids certainly does motivate them to take actions.  Kids who you practically have to drag out of the sack to get them up at noon are awake at 5am and tearing open gifts.  So, absolutely yes, mental-units in the physical brains of kids do motivate actions.

So yes, everything you say about billions of people taking insane actions because they assume various fictions is absolutely correct.

Which is why it is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL that humans learn to distinguish between what is real, and what is not.  If they don't, billions of humans will continue... forever... to be led around by mental-units that refer-to.... absolutely nothing.  Which leaves the very real predators who benefit from all this insanity free to enslave mankind forever.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:29 | 2847498 sosoome
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They naming patron saints that ain't dead yet? That's a new one. Of course, they did give him a big peace prize just before he started making war...what's not to believe?

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:35 | 2847504 sosoome
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So what does this make Davis Love III?

The patron saint of......oh never mind.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:41 | 2847507 indio007
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I saw the same evil halo around Bush.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 07:35 | 2847716 BigJim
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It's one of the perks of the job

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 01:46 | 2847514 LoCicero
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Obama started as a typical mindless Marxist, but has become transformed into an economic fascist.  The common denominator of both is Control.  

Obama has discovered (my guess, from Geithner) that, as an anal-retentive control freak, he can exercise all his totalitarian instincts while retaining the outward signs of "capitalism" - that is, he and his "Regressive" Democrats can retain the private (vs. social) ownership of the means of production, but simply impose ruinous regulations, an industrial policy, etc. to thoroughly control the private sector.

But control freaks, like Obama, Stalin, Hitler & others, would get nowhere if there weren't people on the other side willing to obey them.  See "The Politics of Obedience," a discourse by 18-year old Libertarian, Etienne De La Boetie, written in 1550, as a reply to Machiavelli's, "The Prince.

I see no evidence here on ZH that its readers are willing to disobey - that is, revolt. What I see is a great deal of whining (but no action - aka cowardice); confusion (equating the non-ideologue, Romney, with the most hard-left ideologue in American history; and self-interest. 


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 07:57 | 2847754 BigJim
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Thanks for the Boetie link.

I think what we have here at ZH is a little oasis of libertarianism. I can't speak for others, but I come back here from my various forays into the 'real' world - where I attempt to proseletyse people away from Statism - to be reminded that I am not alone, to be refreshed, to be educated, to argue, to replenish.

 I see no evidence here on ZH that its readers are willing to disobey - that is, revolt.

Are you being disingenuous? Anyone (with half a brain) who was serious about revolting would hardly announce it here, would they? This must be one of the most state-scrutinised blogs in the world.

But, more importantly, what exactly is the good of 'revolting' at this point in time? What do you propose we do? Blow up some banks? Assassinate some politicians? What good would either of these acts of violence do in democratic countries where the brainwashed mass of the populace would just vote in another set of central planners with identical agenda? Until a sufficient number of people wake up, revolt is useless. In fact, it's counter-productive, because it re-inforces the idea of the all-protecting State ("They blew up my bank! They shot the leader 'we' voted for! Help, Big Brother! Protect us from the terrorrists!").

The time to revolt will be when enough people have some idea of how their 'leaders' have led them all astray with their promises of endless free-lunches, when they realise that the free lunches come at their own expense. And when enough people understand this, revolt will be redundant because the people won't be voting for Obama/Romney/Bush/Hitler, but for candidates like Ron Paul, who explicitely state they intend to dismantle the State.

Meanwhile, we can talk to people, attempt to break their conditioning, do what we can to spread the word. (And keep stacking, of course)


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 08:56 | 2847923 Vince Clortho
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"I see no evidence here on ZH that its readers are willing to disobey - that is, revolt."


How the hell do you see people revolt on an internet message board?

You pompous turd.  Get your ass out in the street and lead the revolt.  After you make a name for yourself, you can return here and lecture.  Otherwise, you yourself are the poster boy for message board revolutionaries.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 02:37 | 2847541 californiagirl
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In 2004, burst-the-bubble-of-American-supremacy Soros held a fund raiser for Obama. And now this. What more do you need to know?

Obama's blustering about bank reform may have temporarily upset Soros. However, now that it is evident that the only bank reform Obama supports is that banksters shall not be arrested, Soros is back on board, supporting the candidate most likely to help implement the Agenda.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 03:59 | 2847592 ebworthen
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"All Hail Caesar"

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 05:06 | 2847622 buzzsaw99
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the maggots will have it their way no matter who is prez.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 08:15 | 2847805 DOT
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Finally, a kinder and gentler nation, just as promised !

Kinder to the Banksters.

Gentler to the Plutocrats.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 11:14 | 2848400 LoCicero
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"You pompous turd. Get your ass out in the street and lead the revolt." 

Well, Vince Clortho, I guess I could list all my credentials down through the years:

- Going back to 1948 when, as a 10-year old, I campaigned for Harry Truman against Henry Wallace's Communist-infiltrated Progressive Party;

- or to 1962, helping to put the Conservative Party on the ballot in NY State to stop the Rockefeller Express and give the GOP nomination to Barry Goldwater in 1964;

- or aiding the Draft Goldwater Committee (see "Room 3505" by F. Clifton White);

- or helping to stage giant anti-Communist/Conservative rallies in Madison Square Garden & The Brooklyn Academy of Music (see "Actions Speak Louder" by J.Daniel Mahoney);

- or helping to elect James Buckley to the US Senate, the first candidate to win on a third party ticket since Reconstruction;

- or supporting his brother, William F., in his run for Mayor (see "The Unmaking of a Mayor);

- down to today when, among other activities, I formed a Tea Party Club in my community and added my support to the Republican victories in 2009 & 2010;

- joined OathKeepers;

- and, one of the the fun parts, dressing as George Washington, with friends as Martha & Ben Franklin, appearing at my state's Republican Convention and various Patriotic events (July 4th Parades, etc.) to support greater awareness of the Constitution (you can see us on internet videos).

Our Republic is in extreme danger - are other ZH readers devoting their considerable talents in whatever spare time they have to similar organizations & activities?  Somehow, I doubt it.  My purpose was to light a fire under the whiners.  You don't even have to start from scratch the way I did - there are many already-existing organizations and activities  you can join. But it means getting off your obese asses.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 12:44 | 2848748 LoCicero
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Thanks for your reply to my post - it affords me an opportunity to re-emphasize some points I made.

First, one of the most important abilities any human being (vs. a human mind) can have is the ability to make distinctions.

If you don't have the distinctions "door" and "window," you probably don't want to be working on the 70th floor of a high rise office building. As the saying is, the sudden stop when you hit the ground after sailing out the window will be terminal.

You engaged in moral-equivalency in lumping Romney and Bush with Obama, Hitler & Stalin. Whatever other flaws they may have, they are not ideologues - and that makes all the difference in the world. Romney has said he will not re-appoint Bernanke; he's called out China on her trade aggression; he's spoken out against QE; etc.  In short, Romney and Bush are human beings and, to a large degree, still in touch with reality, vs. the Human Mind that is the man who calls himself Obama.

The Mind is self-referential and only knows itself. As the piled-up human bodies of the murdered in the 20th century testify, there is nothing so dangerous in the world as a Human Mind on the loose.  Anyone on ZH who does not vote for Romney will be an accessory to the coming murderous tyranny.  (Read about the enormous ammunition purchases by the DHS & other agencies).

No, we shouldn't bomb and murder - that is to become like our enemies so that, when we win, we will have forgotten along the way just what it was our victory was supposed to look like.

But you can engage in non-violent acts of civil disobedience and most importantly, organize. As I said above, you don't even have to start from scratch like I did - there are many already-existing organizations & activites you can join. That is, if you're willing to overcome your inertia & defeatism and get off your obese asses.

Oh, and by the way, learn to start making distinctions.


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 14:11 | 2849086 BigJim
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 You engaged in moral-equivalency in lumping Romney and Bush with Obama, Hitler & Stalin. 

No, chum, I never mentioned Stalin. And I never engaged in 'moral equivalency' between the others - I said:

 And when enough people understand this, revolt will be redundant because the people won't be voting for Obama/Romney/Bush/Hitler...

in the context of the uselessness of revolt at this point. Revolting against Hitler back in 1934, for instance - before he did all the things we loathe him for - would have just resulted in the German people rising up to defend him. They voted 90% in his favour back then, remember?

So take your "learn to start making distinctions", and stick it up your patronising, poor-reading-comprehension ass.

 Anyone on ZH who does not vote for Romney will be an accessory to the coming murderous tyranny.  (Read about the enormous ammunition purchases by the DHS & other agencies).

LOL. Romney? When did he bring the DHS' (and others') ammunition purchases to the attention of the US electorate? The man serves the same masters as The Big O... and is even more ready to kiss warmongering ass than Obama, which is quite a feat.


Oh, and as part of your 'distinction' training, I suggest you learn which 'reply' button to click on so you actually are replying to someone. Dickhead.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2849628 LoCicero
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Dear BigJim,

I did notice that you didn't mention Stalin in your run-up to praising Ron Paul - whom I also greatly admire - but I assumed YOU were the "poorly-reading comprehension" one; I didn't think your omission was intentional.  (I was being polite by not pointing it out).

If intentional, there must be a reason. Why?

Next, if your bracketing of Romney/Bush with Obama/.../Hitler isn't moral equvalency, then, pray, enlighten me - what is it? (To my simple mind it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck).

Next, it's an error to think that Hitler came to power by popularity. The Nazis were a minority party in the Reichstag and Hitler himself was "widely regarded as a somewhat embarrassing figure with a dismal past ... thoroughly repellent." (Sebastian Haffner, "Defying Hitler).

There was no Revolution on January 30, 1933 - just a change of government. Hitler became Chancellor, not the Fuhrer of a Nazi regime. There were only two other Nazi cabinet members, and the bourgeois parties held all the key positions in the government.

There would have been no Reichstag Fire or Enabling Act or need to revolt in 1934 if the non-Nazi majority had done in 1932-1933 what I'm advocating: Massive non-violent civil disobedience; that is, a non-violent revolt.  (Think Gandhi).

This is our choice: 1) Obama's re-election heralds the fall of the United States; or 2) with Romney, we can at least slow the decline until we can start to reverse it. How? By ending the political duopoly and forming a new majority party, post-2013.  But we need Romney for breathing room.

I'm now clicking on the 'reply' button since I think this thread has run its course and won't be read by too many others any longer.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 17:35 | 2849786 BigJim
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...I didn't think your omission was intentional.  (I was being polite by not pointing it out).

If intentional, there must be a reason. Why?

No one who writes as well as you do can possibly be as obtuse as you pretend to be. It wasn't an 'omission' on my part. You weren't being 'polite' - you were putting words in my mouth, you sanctimonious weasel. I didn't include Stalin because I was talking about the uselessness of initiating revolt in situations where the leaders have popular support, and, to my knowledge, there was never any popular vote for Stalin, whereas, (at least according to wikipedia) there was for Hitler:

         As head of state, Hitler became Supreme Commander of the armed forces. The traditional loyalty oath of servicemen was altered to affirm loyalty
         to Hitler personally, rather than to the office of supreme commander. On 19 August, the merger of the presidency with the chancellorship was
           approved by plebiscite with support of 90% of the electorate.

Now... what else have we got?

Next, if your bracketing of Romney/Bush with Obama/.../Hitler isn't moral equvalency, then, pray, enlighten me - what is it? (To my simple mind it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck).

See above. It's called context. If I'd been talking about famous leaders' eye colour being (say) brown, and listed Romney and Obama and Hitler, would this mean I was making 'moral equivalence' between them? No, I would be making eye-colour equivalence.

And no, I have no idea if they all had brown eyes. That was what we thinking people call an analogy, to help you understand... distinctions.

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