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Guest Post: The Real Reason Behind War

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

To mark the 11 year anniversary of the Afghanistan occupation, the death toll for the U.S. military reached two thousand.  The soldier who had the misfortune of both dying and becoming a stark symbol of America’s longest running war died under unusual circumstances.  Instead of being killed while on patrol, the unnamed soldier was the victim of an “apparent insider attack” that was conducted by American-backed Afghan forces.  This latest incident comes one week after an announcement by NATO that it would scale back its operations with Afghan security forces after a spike in insider attacks.  At the time of the announcement, a total of fifty one NATO troops had been killed by soldiers wearing Afghan uniforms.

This upsurge in violence committed by supposed allies remains a challenge to the U.S. military which is attempting to arm and train a suitable domestic security force to leave behind as the troop drawdown deadline of late 2014 approaches.  As the Associated Press reports, the internal attacks are “undermining the mantra that both sides are fighting the Taliban “shoulder to shoulder.””

The AP comment is representative of the American public’s understanding of the so-called War on Terror.  Since the attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2011, Americans, as well as most Westerners, are under the impression that the U.S. government and its allies are waging war with the Taliban and Al Qaeda.  These radical Islamic terrorist groups are said to threaten America’s way of life.  In the words of former President George Bush on the evening of 9/11, “America was targeted for attack because we’re the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world.”

This line of reasoning ignores the decades of intervention conducted by the American military and intelligence apparatus which resulted in the deaths of thousands, the overthrow of democratically elected leaders, and financial support for repressive dictators.  Yet as neoconservatives and liberals alike still appeal to this notion to justify American “leadership,” it becomes preposterous in the face of revelations that U.S. tax dollars are aiding rebel militants suspected of being members of Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.  According to the Centre for Research on Globalization, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently pledged $45 million in “non-lethal aid” to the opposition currently trying to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.  This “opposition” is labeled as civilian but is actually partly comprised of foreign terrorist brigades including the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group.  The LIFG, which is labeled a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department, is described by the United Nations as “an Al-Qaeda affiliate.”  And as the State Department speculated back in 2011, Al-Qaeda “was believed to be extending its reach into Syria and seeking to exploit the popular uprising against the dictatorship of Bashar al-Assad.”  The Libyan fighters now in Syria also played a crucial role in the overthrowing of former leader Muammar Gaddafi that was supported militarily and financially by the U.S. government.

As Texas Congressman Ron Paul described it,

In Libya we worked with, among others, the rebel Libyan Fighting Group (LIFG) which included foreign elements of al-Qaeda. It has been pointed out that the al-Qaeda affiliated radicals we fought in Iraq were some of the same groups we worked with to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya. Last year in a television interview I predicted that the result of NATO’s bombing of Libya would likely be an increased al-Qaeda presence in the country. I said at the time that we may be delivering al-Qaeda another prize.

Not long after NATO overthrew Gaddafi, the al Qaeda flag was flown over the courthouse in Benghazi.

Such truths may strike the heart of those who unquestioningly support the U.S. government’s War on Terror.  It isn’t just hypocritical that the enemy is being funded by the same people they target, it is a slap in the face of all those who lost their lives on the day the World Trade Centers fell to the ground.  American lawmakers claim to be on the side of freedom and democracy even when they support not only the arming of accused terrorists but also other dictators such as King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.

If the U.S. government was truly fighting the War on Terror to rid the world of violent extremists and iron-fist authoritarians, it wouldn’t be aiding and abetting their crimes.  So what is the purpose of war then?

The waging of total war is not an act carried out irrationally or on a whim.  Like all human action, it is purposeful and used to achieve particular ends.  And unlike armed conflict between private individuals, war is generally defined as being fought by one or more institutions known as the state.  The state is unique institution in that it holds, as famed sociologist Max Weber defined it, “the claim to the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force in the enforcement of its order.”  This arrogated authority gives the enforcers of the state the legal right to plunder whatever citizenry happens to be living under their rule.  Whereas in the private sphere all dealings are voluntary by nature, the state’s operations are financed solely through force.  This creates a kind of tension between those coerced into paying and those who live off the proceeds.  War with foreigners can thus be seen as a kind of distraction from the exploitive state of affair known as state governance.

As economist Joseph Salerno notes,

We thus arrive at a universal, praxeological truth about war. War is the outcome of class conflict inherent in the political relationship – the relationship between ruler and ruled, parasite and producer, tax-consumer and taxpayer. The parasitic class makes war with purpose and deliberation in order to conceal and ratchet up their exploitation of the much larger productive class.

Thus, a permanent state of war or preparedness for war is optimal from the point of view of the ruling elite, especially one that controls a large and powerful state.

Historically, freedom has been trampled upon with little remorse or protest during war.  Enhanced domestic surveillance, the outlawing of political dissent, the internment of suspected enemies without due process, robust inflationary policy, higher government spending, increased taxation, and stifling economic intervention are all common occurrences during war.  They are policies that in the absence of war would garner a greater amount of pushback from the public.  Even more crucial is the effect war has on national identity.  Simple reasoning says that government is composed of a small group of individuals; it does not represent in some metaphysical sense all of “the people.”  This distinction is blurred and forgotten during war however as those who insist on fighting appeal to emotion rather than reason.  With the media’s assistance, allegiance to the state is championed as a display of support for war.  Dissenters are openly ridiculed as unpatriotic and friends of the enemy.  As Randolph Bourne wrote in his renowned essay “War is the Health of the State

The moment war is declared, however, the mass of the people, through some spiritual alchemy, become convinced that they have willed and executed the deed themselves. They then, with the exception of a few malcontents, proceed to allow themselves to be regimented, coerced, deranged in all the environments of their lives, and turned into a solid manufactory of destruction toward whatever other people may have, in the appointed scheme of things, come within the range of the Government’s disapprobation.

The citizen throws off his contempt and indifference to Government, identifies himself with its purposes, revives all his military memories and symbols, and the State once more walks, an august presence, through the imaginations of men. Patriotism becomes the dominant feeling, and produces immediately that intense and hopeless confusion between the relations which the individual bears and should bear toward the society of which he is a part.

Using war as both a diversion and a cover for imperialistic motives is best exemplified by the ongoing tension between the state of Israel and Iran.  Western media figures have done their best to portray the rulers of Iran as lunatics hell-bent on acquiring nuclear weapons.  Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is so determined to put the boot down on a nuclear Iran that he is actively interfering with the U.S. presidential election with the hope of obtaining military assistance.  He arrogantly carries on this crusade even though there is no evidence of a weapons program and the Iranian government remains a signatory of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

So why does Netanyahu desperately want war with Iran?  Why does he insist with childish tactics such as presenting a picture of a cartoon bomb before the United Nations even as a majority of Israelis and military leaders are opposed to a unilateral attack?   And why must the attack be imminent when U.S. intelligence has indicated that it would take years for the Iranian regime to weaponize their current nuclear program?

Wars aren’t fought because the ruling class that instigates them lacks a good reason.  In the case of Netanyahu and Israel, there are a variety of explanations why state leaders see mass murder as beneficial to their cause.  First, with bank profits falling and economic growth slowing down, Israel’s economy is showing recessionary signs.  War would be a preoccupation from a deteriorating job market.  Second, there has been little noise made over the people of Palestine and their struggle for statehood since the hysteria over Iranian nukes has picked up.  And lastly, as former Assistant Secretary to the U.S. Treasury and Wall Street Journal editor Paul Craig Roberts points out

The real agenda hiding behind the hysterical concern about an Iranian nuke, is the rightwing Israeli government’s design on the water resources of southern Lebanon.

Twice the Israeli government sent the Israeli army into southern Lebanon to occupy and eventually annex the territory. And twice Hizbollah defeated and drove out the vaunted Israeli army.

The Israeli government knows that it cannot be forthright and say that it wants Americans to go to war with Iran so that Israel can steal southern Lebanon. But if fear over nonexistent nukes can muster the Western populations to support an attack on Iran, Iran can be eliminated as Hizbollah’s supplier, and Israel can steal the water from Lebanon.

The conventional validation for perpetual war in the Middle East does not hold when looked at rationally.  When the ideas of nationalism and statist glory are wiped away, the state appears as it really is: institutionalized exploitation of the masses by the few.  The undertaking of war masks this reality for a short period while accelerating the pace at which liberty is stripped away.  In the end, wars are waged to fulfill the sadistic desires of government leaders and to give them an opening to tighten their grip on society.  The parasitic class which makes up the state doesn’t just war with other states; it conducts war against the citizens it claims to protect.


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Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:34 | 2850794 valkir
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As usual,if the problem is not for monney,is for a lot of monney.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:14 | 2850879 ACP
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I think the bigger problem is that it's an addictive problem-solver for domestic issues. How many years of peace have there been the last 1,000 years? Three years I think was the estimate.


Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:19 | 2850952 AldousHuxley
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NathanYahoo = Hitler


solve economic problems with war

kill off some young college kids so they don't protest against the regime

ramp up war production of weapons

unify political power under false enemies


look how well Iraq war made Bush popular despite all economic signs to the contrary.




Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:14 | 2851046 TruthInSunshine
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It's not possible to improve on that which has already been brilliantly written and efficiently summarized by a person positioned to know the primary reasons offensive wars are waged.

Perhaps a more brilliant, truthful and succinct expose will be written by a person similarly situated one day, but until then:


"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

And war is the most profitable racket in the world!"




Semper Fidelis, Always Faithful, is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. But faithful to what?

Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most colorful officers in the Marine Corps' long history, was one of the two Marines who received two Medals of Honor for separate acts of outstanding heroism. General Butler was still in his teens when, on 20 May 1898, he was appointed a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps during the Spanish-American War. In the early part of the last century General Butler led assault troops in Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Mexico and Haiti. He was a regimental commander in France during World War I and later served in China. On 1 October 1931, he was retired upon his own application after completion of 33 years' service in the Marine Corps. Major General Butler died at the Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, on 21 June 1940, following a four-week illness.

After his retirement General Butler wrote a book WAR IS A RACKET, which begins as follows:

"WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

And in a speech delivered in 1933, General Butler said:


"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."




    "I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service."
    Smedley D. Butler (1881-1940)


Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:59 | 2851130 Ghordius
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TIS, you should post more often. brilliant, truthful and succint, indeed

btw, this year is the two hundredth anniversary of two very interesting wars that nobody wants to remember

on the greater landmass of this planet the French, Polish, Italian, Spanish, Austrian, German and Swiss armies were invading Russia, which was allied to Sweden (

on the smaller landmass of the globe the USA was invading Canada after a declaration of war against the British Empire (

both articles are worth reading - those were times where there was a certain "frankness" about why nations go to war

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:52 | 2851378 Bay of Pigs
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This is worth listening to.  

Lew Rockwell: War and the FED

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:59 | 2851401 CH1
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And this worth the short read:


Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:31 | 2851211 Zadok
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+1000, but I was forced to settle for a single greenie!

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:34 | 2851213 Sean7k
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Great post. It is easy to reduce this down to the reality that all violence has its' motivation in theft. Whether government of freedom and wealth, personal relationships that attempt to control and manipulate, cons, wall street or war. Theft is always at the center.The only exception is self defense.

When we see violence of any kind, we merely have to look for what is being stolen. If we can agree that theft is morally and socially repugnant, then violence has no place in civilization. 

Therefore, there is never a good reason for war, unless you have been attacked and then only to defend your property- personal and communal. Therefore, all governments that promote and carry out wars on foreign soil are war criminals. 

By this definition, almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt is a war criminal. If we include financial warfare, every banker since the beginning of central banking should be in chains, but we only make criminals out of petty thieves and petty rule breakers. 

Let's call a spade a spade: they aren't world leaders, they're thieves. Common brigands with pr campaigns tossed out as historical fact and patriotic flap trap. The royalty of the world are criminals. Government is a con and politicians are just grifters.

In the US, we aren't voting for a president, but the next war criminal and thief. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:43 | 2851357 RiverRoad
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True.  Each has his own little war to cement his name in the history books.  OR to divert attention from his impeachment.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 19:37 | 2853939 Shigure
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Short video: Bush, Blair found guilty of war crimes in Malaysia Tribunal (2.33)

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:48 | 2851254 disabledvet
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the iraq war doomed the bush Presidency. and what have learned? afghanistan! wow! the one thing that makes this war different is that we are creating permanent bases over there. had enuf of your political enemies? off the the desert(s)! of course what those purely motivated by revenge don't get is these soldiers are coming home. they always the term "and now what"? comes to mind. to which i say "this ain't the post WW 2 Cold War economy" assholes. so by all means...ramp it up. having obliterated the labor market are you giving the American people a choice? i say no...

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:18 | 2851902 blunderdog
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The creation of the new permanent superbases in Iraq has a great deal to do with why Obama can now afford to ignore Netanyahu's demand for an attack on Iran.

So there was ONE upside to the Iraq invasion.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:59 | 2850938 Hugh G Rection
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War is big business.


"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." ~ Gutle Schnaper

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:45 | 2850974 Daily Bail
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We Are Change meets Alan Greenspan.

Video: Greenspan Asked About Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:51 | 2850982 James_Cole
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Pretty much. The USA has long relied on its military for prosperity, most every empire throughout history has.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:23 | 2851081 AldousHuxley
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military forces others to join in our ponzi pyramid at the lowest level.

that's what they mean by world order

Iran can only be a commodities supplier at the lowest end. they can't rise to become a world bank for example because that's reserved for the few.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:13 | 2851299 Optimusprime
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Good point, which can be expanded.  Major analysts of the fall of the Roman Empire point out that a huge turning point was when the system changed from on where the senate was dominant to where the Emperor-army complex became dominant and the senate secondary.  While this process evolved gradually under the Marius-Sulla-Pompey-Caesar eras, it was pretty much set in stone after Augustus.  


Our parallel is the relation between the President and the MIC (Eisenhower's warning was decades too  late).


There is good reason to believe that the Kennedy's (whatever their faults) were taken out by CIA/MIC types for their unwillingness to be sufficiently tractable to the MIC.  Think of the Roman emperors (particularly in the 3rd century AD who were basically proclaimed by the army, and often assassinated by the army.



Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:06 | 2851874 Kobe Beef
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Kennedy also produced United States Notes, crossing the Int'l Banksters. But then again, MIC/CIA/Banksters are all the same NWO. Same families, new generations, ever more vicious iterations.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 16:04 | 2852996 Diogenes
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"What do the people have to say about it? Why would some poor shnook want a war when the best he can get out of it is to come home in one piece?

If you want a war you start one. Then everyone falls in line, if they don't you accuse them of being traitors. It's the same in every country."

-Herman Goerring

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:34 | 2850795 vinayjha
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It started for good but war is not always a good solution.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:36 | 2850801 Flakmeister
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Well, duh....

Throw in a few megolmaniacs and what you get is not surprising....

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:36 | 2850802 tony bonn
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an absolutely superb article condemning the blood thirsty totalitarian creeps running this country and world.....but the bush crime syndicate isn't bothered - the war must go on.......

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:37 | 2850804 j-dub
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War?  What is it good for?

In my opinion, absolutely nothing

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:08 | 2850937 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Papa Was A Rolling Stone.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:32 | 2851089 AldousHuxley
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war is good for something....

war is good for teaching elites to shut the fuck up, get off the high horse, and get back to work.

war taught germans to not do that nazi shit again

war taught japanese to go back to production instead of empire building


war will teach america the same longer #1....



Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:39 | 2850809 q99x2
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Down with the NoWorldOrder global anarchists.

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:49 | 2850814 LetThemEatRand
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Hey, Miller.  Have you considered that the corporations that fund your organization like war because they profit from it?  I know a few oil companies that were happy to start drilling for their own profit in Iraq, for example.   Why not call them out if so?  Donor cats got your tongue?

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:55 | 2850841 otto skorzeny
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take your bullshit over to HuffPo

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:57 | 2850849 LetThemEatRand
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Nice substantive response.  Who are the top donors of the Mises Institute?  

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:00 | 2850852 otto skorzeny
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stop trying to make everything fit into the parameters of The Communist Manifesto.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:04 | 2850861 LetThemEatRand
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In what way did I do that?  Are you defending fascism?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:26 | 2851082's picture

You are the defender of fascism when you insist that individuals must serve the state rather than themselves.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:00 | 2850853 Overfed
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It's the Mises Institute of Canada. Get it straight.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:05 | 2850865 LetThemEatRand
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So corrected.  

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:30 | 2851005 Dr. Sandi
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I don't feel pressured to get it straight until the Menses Institute of Canada gets it straight. Which they never quite do. Always about 10 degrees off plumb, thanks to the dark body gravity effect of their hidden agenda.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 09:45 | 2851568 BigJim
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 Hey, Miller.  Have you considered that the corporations that fund your organization like war because they profit from it?

Still waiting to hear who pays your bills, LTER. 

As it happens... here Miller is railing against war. According to your previous rants, this shouldn't be possible because he's being funded by corporations that profit from it, right?

Maybe you should re-examine your preoccupation with his Institute's funders in the light of this fact?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 09:45 | 2851569 BigJim
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Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:45 | 2850821 Uber Vandal
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We've always been at war with Eastasia...


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:52 | 2850832 loveyajimbo
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This adds credibility to us "nutrolls" that think (know) that 911 was an inside false flag job... it worked as planned.  See the video, well done and very reasonable:     And then start asking questions.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:34 | 2850911 BlackholeDivestment
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Thank's for the link Love, I knew there would be something that would salvage reading Miller's piss poor evolution offer.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:41 | 2850969 UGrev
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Wow, bro.. I was never really a believer in that conspiracy. I mean, I had it in my bucket of conspiracies until the day in which I could be totally convinced of it. Well, that day just happened. Fuck you very much and thank you very much at the same time. Why fuck you? because now I have to go back and re-assess about 30 other conspiracies and I don't have the frigging time for it and I really want to do it.  My excel sheet is long and winding. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:31 | 2851006 James_Cole
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My rule of thumb is if a theory involves either A) general human shenanigans / stupidity or B) a vast conspiracy including a extremely complex time sensitive & brilliant plan developed over years by thousands of evil geniuses carried out flawlessly with all involved having kept silent... I usually stick with A.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:33 | 2851022 BlackholeDivestment
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James Cole, LMAO, like the USS Cole. Idiot. Maybe you should wonder why they kicked John out of Yemen. I know a great place you can think, has nice portaits on the walls and it's quiet. Got a nice picture of Hoover too. LMAO. Yeah, place has a lot of history going back to the builders that crafted Temples, A. Lol. 

P.S. It's 13 block up from the White House, you Hoser. 

Maybe you might want to take a closer look at how to build the Temple of the Center of Time, think it's in Jerusalem, Lol. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:03 | 2851069 James_Cole
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The Frontline doc (which I had seen previous) portrays .gov as incompetent, ae911 paints .gov as extremely well organized evil geniuses. 

911 conspiracy theorists pull up little bits of "evidence" that can be easily explained away yet premise their whole theory on .gov being organized enough to pull an incredible feat of controlled demolition across multiple buildings in one of the most active cities in the world involving presumably thousands of complicit people. 

- I don't have so much faith in .gov to think that possible. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:32 | 2851088 Ar-Pharazôn
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i m not the conspiration guy BUT


building 7 collapsed even if not hit by anything.... i m just saying

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:22 | 2851114 cynicalskeptic
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Very convenient that a number of offices investigating major financial crime shad all the evidence destroyed - and that the Fed got emergency powers to clear bonds (when there were rumors of billions of unauthorized T-Bills coming due - used to undermine the Soviets under Ronnie.....not to mention the $2 Trillion Rummey said could not be accounted for in the Pentagon's spending....  An FBI agent I know in NYC said ALL the investigations they were conducting on serious financial fraud stopped dead after 9/11 while sagents wer sent on 'wild goose chases' looking for 'terrorists reported by old ladies with nothing else to do'

2 planes in NYC but 3 buildings went down......   a lot of architects and engineers have raised seriosu questions about the official explanations.

Whether planned or the result of extreme incompetence, something really stinks about all this and the smell has gotten worse with time.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:10 | 2851135 BlackholeDivestment
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Cole, you are silly.

I recall asking some people in the know, when I was inside a national news company in D.C., about April. I wanted to know who interviewed her on this. I wanted to know her response to the question, did she tell Saddam that if he invaded Kuwait that there would be a military response from the President Skull and Bone Bush. Well, I knew what I was going to get from the media drones, it was more of a confirmation. The response was nobody ever asked her because she was dead. 

Funny how you work for the A Team, lol, and you don't ''care'' to think to ask why John ended up dead inside the WTC is connected to people that prevented him from completeing his work. I'm sure the A Team game theory prevents you from asking why the FBi blew up the WTC in 93 too. It's not like the A Team painting of Hoover inside a Temple who's members sware blood oaths to keep secrets and Skull and Bones Presidents that have done the same are connected to the pyramid on the Fed Debt Note or anything. Lol.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:47 | 2851062 mvsjcl
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Really? Popular Mechanics? That totally debunked fluff of debunking? Go back to Mish's blog.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 14:22 | 2852582 Hugh G Rection
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The Popular Mechanics debunking came from it's editor Ben Chertoff... you know, the guy related to Michael Chertoff, the one that released detained Israeli Mossad captured on 9/11.


Conflict of interest? Nah...

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:07 | 2851289 UGrev
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Read that article already.. wasn't 100% convinced either way.  I'm not convinced yet that it was a gov't job either. What I AM more convinced of, is that there was controlled demolition involved. However, it could have been set up by anyone. It could have been terrorists that plotted in much the same way they did taking over the planes, to rig the buildings. So I am more convinced of some things. Other things, not so much. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:20 | 2855881 Hugh G Rection
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Really?  By terrorists you mean cave-dwelling sand people, that somehow managed to skirt security and rig 3 skyscrapers with military grade nanothermite?


Come on now... give this a look.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:02 | 2851188 A82EBA
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so is this investigation going anywhere? how can so many unexplained events escape credible spotlight?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:22 | 2851303 Withdrawn Sanction
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This adds credibility to us "nutrolls" that think (know) that 911 was an inside false flag job... it worked as planned.

Indeed it does.  Now think about that inside job in the context of GWB's comment, "...on the evening of 9/11, “America was targeted for attack because we’re the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world.”   He's actually telling you the a back-handed, Ivy League sort of way.  It's just that it wasn't a handful of Saudis armed w/box cutters who orchestrated this bit of mass murder....

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 10:55 | 2851840 jayman21
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I would like to give you +1.  Can you exit the edit box?


Spot on with your comment

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 14:19 | 2852575 Hugh G Rection
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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 12:46 | 2852182 Hugh G Rection
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Thanks jimbo.


Anyone with a shred of self respect needs to examine the 9/11 evidence... stop going along with the herd and utilize some basic critical thinking.


AE911 truth has some great documentaries detailing why the official story is a lie.  This documentary is the best I have seen concerning the who and why..

if brevity is your cup o tea, check out this article


Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:53 | 2850838 dick cheneys ghost
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Lets boil this down to a DYING monetary system

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 23:54 | 2850839 TomGa
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War is an extension of slavery by other means.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:04 | 2850864 BlackholeDivestment
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...LMAO, Miller is as cluless as the Israeli Bibi gun.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:15 | 2850867 JuliaS
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There is in our own time an absolute taboo among the corporate news media and the political class against mentioning anything to do with the strategic and economic reasons for war. As witness, just over a year ago, I'm listening to the Today program on Radio 4 and there was this little phrase they kept repeating on the half hour ; every half hour : “The G8 has today endorsed an American plan to bring democracy to the Middle East”. The level of naivety necessary before you can talk about “an American plan to bring democracy to the Middle East”! You will not find that level of naivety anywhere outside of 1970’s porno films.

And which country were they discussing that particular morning? Why? Iran of course, which until 1953 was a secular democracy. 1951: Mohammed Mossadegh elected prime minister by a landslide majority on a mandate of nationalizing the Anglo-Persian oil company now known as record-profit posting BP. What happens next? The Foreign office recommend a coup d'état . Churchill puts up a million and a half dollars to finance the coup. Eisenhower agrees to match this with a million dollars on the sole proviso that Theodore Roosevelt's grandson and CIA Middle East Station Chief in Tehran, Kermit Roosevelt, will be point man for the coup. This is agreed, the money is transferred, and Kermit Roosevelt's first action is to spring General Fazlollah Zahedi from jail where he is languishing on account of being a Nazi collaborator. And this is the man that Kermit Roosevelt has chosen to lead the military part of the coup…

Kermit Roosevelt installed Shah Reza Pahlavi as absolute dictator of Iran, head of the notorious SAVAK secret police, which in 1976, he is still there, AMNESTY described as responsible for the worst human rights atrocities on planet earth. This was Britain and America bringing democracy to the Middle East, 1953-style. Yes but that was THEN, this is NOW. Now there is an American plan, endorsed by the G8, I might add, to bring the democracy to the Middle East, generally, not just in Iran, but in Iraq. Well, the United States is building fourteen permanent US military bases on Iraqi soil...but so profound is the corporate news media’s acquired naivety...the learnt ability not to see or hear the uncomfortable fact, that they can be interviewing a four-star US general while he is laying bricks on the very building site of one of these US military bases and still notice nothing wrong.  There’s the general going :  “that’s right as soon as the Iraqis have an election we’re out of here. Gentlemen don’t worry about that. Just wait for them to vote for us to leave, we’re gone. If they vote to turn this $4 billion dollar base into a youth club, we’ll just swallow that, don’t worry about that.”

- Robert Neman "History of Oil"

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:59 | 2850940 otto skorzeny
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great post- not quite sure about 70's porn reference.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:38 | 2851014 prains
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the reference is 100% Le'git


 “an American plan to bring democracy to the Middle East”! You will not find that level of naivety ............"


if you don't get the analogy please exit stage left

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:23 | 2851116 cynicalskeptic
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Hey, the US put the Shah in place.... after deposing the elected leader.... you mean that wasn't democracy on the march?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:39 | 2851228 Zadok
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I suspect Otto's humor passed overhead...

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:36 | 2851120 BlackholeDivestment
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...calling it an American plan, lol. America was mapped out too, with the same old blood that mapped out the nations.

Understand, the tools of ''craftsmen'', warcraft, go deeper than an oil drill etc..,, much deeper. We are dealing with crafty bastards that map out lines timed with the Stars above our head, not below.These ''map makers'' do not have borders, they have been ''accepted'' through the offer(s) of temptation, which cross borders, like the mark of debt.

 Put it to you this way, when the earth moves, a portion of a degree, from center, like from a 9.0 quake, time gets short, like a missile that misses it's target. Soon after, very soon, a soldier's widow reads the note, labeled ''Friendly Fire'' and she's reading from her homeland, which is inflamed because of the  Fallen Star(s). From above, like a lie in the air, people accept, in the mind and heart, miss guided notions of national lines, but the new world order ''change'' means to destroy all flesh. The error comes down to more than just national deception, the judgment that comes upon us all is about thinking you know what time it is because you know where you are at by what country you are in. Lol. It is the leaders of nations that are given the strong delusion, because they don't love the Truth, they prefer short term gains that have given them power, they guide the power of contempt, but the people are just Muppet Sheep on the international company chessboard that drew the map as a result of movement beyond game theory. This is perfectly clear, you see what is going on all over the place right now. All nations have consumed the wine of wrath in the cup of fornication, which they shall realize soon. The people of Iran and America etc... are dealing with the same contempt. It is only the deceived fools that go along with the Antichrist offer, be it secular or religious evil, it's all the same stupid labeling in a deadly borderless crime scene, and the map makers have a bank that prints out death warrants, the true map makers mark of the borderless beast.

To put a capstone on it, like on a pyramid, lol, tomb, imagine Jerusalem is a tool for a miss guided map maker, and the peace deal that seals Israel to the nations shall fail and all the nations are fallen because of the time of the end result of their judgment demands it based on the new world order ''change''.

Call it prophetic scripture, lol, it's not an American etc... plan, it's NWO boys evil offer. They do not care, never have, about America or any country. It's the bottom line that is drawn out on their map that is off base, and they have drawn a bottomless pit as a result of the fulfilled error of judgment. This is the graven image. People that stand in agreement with the lines are targets that shall realize the bottomless pit when the error unseals the black hole.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:07 | 2850868 poor fella
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"Who Benefits From US wars?"  --- the .01%, that's who. Endless war on the unknown and unnamed. Fuckers. Shootin' 'em == dollars baby.



Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:12 | 2850877 ebworthen
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Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:23 | 2850895 sansnobel
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In less than 100 words, it's how people with small dicks use other people and their children to satisfy their egoism to bring glory to themselves through the pillage and plunder of other societies for economic and political gain without actually having to generate anything of economic value on their own.  In other words....same as it has been since the dawn of time.  Yawn....

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 00:43 | 2850922 Bear
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War on Terror ... it doesn't exist. Islamic Jihad ... it does exist. Muslims have been warring with the West for 1300 years. It is enshrined in their belief systems. However, just because someone wants you dead, does not give license to attack them. However, when attacked, we must defend ourselves with vigor.

The War in Afghanistan should have lasted no more than six months. Tora Bora should have been targeted, surrounded and destroyed at the onset of the War and our soldiers should have been coming home by June of 2002, instead December of 2014.

The War in Iraq should have never happened.

Iran is an ideological foe not a immediate risk to the US, war there would be uncalled for. (Unless Iran preemptively strikes another nation, ala Saddam Hussein in 1990)

The Muslim holy book decries democracy as a demonic force on earth (Allah should be the ruler) ... why would we want to 'help' them in this demonic pursuit?

Avoid foreign entanglements ... GW

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:47 | 2851240 Zadok
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Get serious Bear, the best humor (or troll) uses mostly truth deviated just a little, not the other way around.

People are not digital by nature, there can be multiple evils operating opportunistically simultaneously.

Work on the one hurting you the worstest firstest.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 10:38 | 2851784 marathonman
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Iraq had to go down to try and protect the petro-dollar.  Couldn't have that fool Hussein accepting euros for oil and blowing up our global hegemony.  Gadhafi had to suffer the same fate for advocating gold for oil.  The Iranian sanctions will probably blow back and hasten the fall of dollar as global reserve currency.  We are about 21-22 years behind the Russians in economic collapse.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 12:17 | 2852089 blunderdog
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Saddam Hussein didn't "pre-emptively" strike anyone in 1990.

He petitioned the UN to address the Kuwaiti "slant-drilling" across the border.  The request was denied, effectively vetoed by the US, and Bush said we wouldn't involve ourselves in the petty greivances of the Mid-East region.

Hussein may have interpreted that as greenlighting his invasion of Kuwait, so he did, to set fire to the wells he believed (correctly, as it turns out) were "stealing Iraqi oil."

Bush then blows the shit out of Iraq.  It looks like a sting operation, really.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:09 | 2850947 reader2010
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Simply math. Throughout the history, warz have always been used as the ultimate wealth transfer vehicle for the rich and the powerful.  

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:01 | 2850954 Sandmann
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It correlates with male populations <15  and especially where it exceeds 30% population and has done throughout history. There are simply not enough jobs for a high male birthrate which people in The West have forgotten because the highest male birthrate is among immigrant groups financed through welfare. They will be the radicals within taking what they can from the ageing demographics. Credit is designed to stop territorial battles over limited resources.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:52 | 2851260 Sean7k
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Then your answer would be to turn back the clock to before the industrial revolution? A population of more than 100 million is the direct result of the technology and science created from this action. 

Another case of statistics used to fit a theory. Causation requires more rigorous analysis.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:56 | 2851387 RiverRoad
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Right Sandman.  See Malthus:  war and pestilance.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:42 | 2850965 gdogus erectus
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There is no faster way to get a nation into debt than to start a war. War=debt=interest earned by the lenders. Period. The perfect war is one that is never won. It just goes on and on Ever noticed how war rules are written so that no one really loses. Or wins. No one gives up their country. Borders mostly get put back. Except where it will cause the most festering. The multinationals rebuild the bombed out nations. Interest is collected by the banks. It's a perfect system. We need to evolve to see through the bullshit and stop sending our kids off to be cannon fodder.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:58 | 2851400 RiverRoad
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Yeah, I think we have something to finish up over in Korea CONVENIENT.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:42 | 2850971 luckylongshot
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A few years ago General Wesley Clark went public about a meeting where he was told that the plan was to overthrow the governments of Iraq, then Libya, then Syria and then Iran. This means there was a plan behind this series of wars. So who was behind this plan? In libya one of the first things that occurred after the revolution was the establishment of a Rothshild controlled central bank. Follow the money.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 01:57 | 2850984 TBT or not TBT
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We supported dictators here and there when the strategy was to contain the Soviet Union and communism in general.   You would think, on a blog which bitches all the live long day about the evils of central planning, that this little nuance would come up.   On the other hand we allied with "Uncle Joe" Stalin, an unmatched mass murderer before the war, and a the greatest living mass murderer at its end too, in the effort to defeat the Nazis and Japanese Empire.   Strategy, again.   D'Oh.  


What we are doing in Afghanistan on the other hand is entirely post-modern anti-strategy.   It is a giant multinational clusterfuck, as you would expect today when half of our country seems to want us to only engage where there is no possible benefit to our strategy, in ways that demoralize our military and sap our resources, versus just going in and breaking things and killing people that fucked up.   We did the latter inside of like 6 weeks after 9-11, routing the Taleban with camel-backed spec ops guys, a little bit of money and cooperation with motivated locals(probably assholes, and that's fine), freakin airpower flying in from far away, and that's about all.    The body count of 2000 (just our soldiers, and nevermind the billions burned briefly), mostly occured after what we would classically call victory, in the oft-foolhardy excercise known formerly as nation-building, foolhardy because we are talking about pre-modern tribalist islam infected people, not folks you would recognize as having a desire for civilisation as we know it, nevermind "Democracy".  

Look what Democracy has done for us, while we are at it.   The word doesn't come up in our founding documents.   As Ben (Franklin, the lightning/kite guy and statesman, not the helicopter guy) supposedly said it on exiting the ratification of the Constitution "a Republic, if you can keep it".    Not a democracy.   Democracy gives you bankrupting entitlements and frauds like Obama, a guy with no executive experience, and clear intentions to "fundamentally" transform our republic, who we the people elected to inter the republic more so than to show any skills as an executive, which he had zero experience at before assuming the reins of the world's most powerful organisation, the hypervast federal government of the USA.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:07 | 2850987 Ima anal sphincter
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The Real Reason Behind War


I sit here, one drink down and wonder "why."

Why all this death? We ALL have a very limited time on the earth. Was that time meant to be called short? People die for lies. Terror this...religion - raw,raw , raw!!!!

Ideologies that  ALL we fall into. Right or wrong, we defend them with vigor.

We are idiots.

Life is special. I don't, you don't, THEY (evil)  don't have ANY right to impose a "will" on anybody else. If someone forces something on me, I have the right to "put them in their place." If I force my will on someone else, I expect them to do the same to me.

We have a "situation," A situation that has existed for a long time. One person FORCING their will on another. I'm sick of it!

The answer is quite simple though...... or is it?

People who "force" have always been there. There will be more in the future after everyone here now, is dust. We can "stop" OUR evil, but we can not prevent more.

I'd like to see the current evil "removed" ( for the betterment of ALL) as a lesson for what will inevitably come.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:25 | 2851001 Treason Season
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From “Political Observations” by James Madison

Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.

War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

War is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 09:13 | 2851430 Sean7k
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You would think he would have observed it before he engaged in the War of 1812, to steal Canada for the land. Might have been nice if he had thought about those dominating few before he helped write a Constitution that was designed to negate the passion of the people and restrict power to the educated merchantilists. 

Of course, this is how we glorify our past leaders. We ignore their actions and celebrate the words they write after the fact.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 02:26 | 2851003 carlsbadip
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War is always the result of weakness, especially perceived weakness. The story by Mr. Miller and comments are so redundant and border on the irrelevant because they are made in some alternative reality.

WWII ended 67 years ago. The US could not win in Korea, ran away in Vietnam, invaded Granada, ran away in Beiruit, removed Iraq from Kuwait that was paid for by the Saudis and Japanese, ran away from Iraq and is rumning away from Afghanistan. On top of all this, the US is broke and the economy is in the toilet with two wars going on.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:45 | 2851125 Sandmann
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Not weakness as such - usually Miscalculation. The US could win in Korea but was leading a UN Force simply because China was not a Member and the USSR was sulking so The Security Council let it get what it wanted. Using the A-Bomb was a bridge too far - that's all. It ended because Stalin was murdered in 1953. It started because he got away with dividing Germany but failed to take it over because of The Airlift. It was probing and Stalin lost in both theatres with the threat of B-29 attacks from the UK airbases as a backchannel warning - so Korea was the next provocation.

Cuba as because Khrushchev perceived Kennedy as weak when he met him in Geneva in 1957 and tested him with the Berlin Wall - Kennedy buckled and failed to demolish the Cuba was the provocation for Missiles in Turkey. That's the game.

Brezhnev thought Nixon weak in Yom Kippur because of Watergate and started Soviet Marines for Egypt. Nixon called a DEFCON 3 Alert for NATO to get him to back down.

Brezhnev proposed destroying China with a first-strike in 1969 but wanted the USA neutral - because USSR reckoned it had no chance if it waited until Mao was dead and China recovered - Kissinger told the Chinese and opened up the door for Nixon to visit China


Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:56 | 2851263 falak pema
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Brezhnev and China... I don't see the USSR doing a nuke on China where they had rebuked US threats to similar dire eventuality in Vietnam that some hawks were crying out for in the face of TEt offensive disaster. I wonder what your source on this is.

The USSR had established a gentleman's agreement with USA after Cuba that neither super power would preempt in Nuke mode in their standoffs; even in their third world confontrations. That was written in concrete and both parties have stuck to it...whence my skepticism on this theme of 1969 USSR power play option. 

Kissinger was a great believer in detente and nukes were off limits in his book. So even if Brezhnev suggested it to USA, which is doubtful; as he was fully behind VIetnam Cong insurgence; the USA would have to say "no" on that in line with their previous agreement. It was unthinkable to allow the other side rights of first strike in a local fight.

Yom Kippour Defcon  is a known fact. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:49 | 2851375 TrulyStupid
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A fine, though twisted, retroactive rewriting of history to support the neo-con narrative.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:13 | 2851043 TruthInSunshine
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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:13 | 2851044 Joe A
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Same as it ever was. It was not much different in ancient times. The weapons now can kill more people though.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:34 | 2851058 mvsjcl
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"...the World Trade Centers fell to the ground."

Funny. It looked to me like they were BLOWN TO SMITHEREENS!

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 03:38 | 2851059 purplefrog
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Start 'em out on GI Joe.  Next, war movies and WWF.  Highlight war heroics and heros.

That ought to get a solid base for a militaristic mentality.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:52 | 2851099 falak pema
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Von Mises of austrian delights, find solace in peace. 

Its heartening to see those who advocate austerity also advocate peace. 

Humble pie for PAx Americana, now all caught up in Oil oligarchy cobweb, principal source of economic demise of western nations as wealth transfer mechanism since 1973, but  now holy grail of US MIC to protect its own lethal assets of mad destruction. Oh the irony of being one's own nemesis! 

Just as the Mises institute gets its economic analysis RIGHT by saying that corrupt and totally "non keynesian" Central Bank plays will be the demise of USA, it gets its political analysis RIGHT by saying :The parasitic class which makes up the state doesn’t just war with other states; it conducts war against the citizens it claims to protect.

The key here is "the parasitic class."

Mises is now spouting verbiage that is more Marxian than Marx himself!

It makes me laugh as a  labelled "closet communist" to hear such heresy. From an institution that is the biggest defender of free markets; that don't exist as everybody knows on ZH, especially in the HFT/ZIRP/QEn pumped WS risk asset markets of today's environment. 

From my closet I spy an institute that has its head stuck in its keyhole. 

As Keynes very aptly remarked : when the Private sector pump is TOTALLY broken the whole nation has no other means than government intervention to bootstrap the economy. The key here is "honest governance". His strategy and the New deal were not perfect. But it was better than the oligarchy mayhem of private capital gone mad in "laissez faire" exuberance of 1929-1931.

Reality is a bitch and there is no getting away from it; 2008 was a repeat of 1929 hubris, same cause same disastrous effect; only this time government corruption was massive and abetted the rip-off even further, pushing USA, and the rest of first world, deeper into the mire. The whole leading capitalist class was/is corrupt and delusional; not the small business man.

So how come the scions of free markets are now spouting Marxian jargon?

Is the Von Mises institute now standing on its head and reneging on free markets, and its beacons, the scions of capitalism; those very people who corrupt government and make wars? 

Can't have that! Get your McCarthy hats on and clean out all those closets of their commies! 

Bogey men and inquisition knee-jerks, the sign of logic gone down the shute, and a national socio-political fabric in rag-mag tag tatters. 



Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:53 | 2851128 css1971
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It's simply about the individual vs the collective.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:27 | 2851151 falak pema
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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 10:07 | 2851655 Sean7k
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For someone that reveres historical accuracy, you might want to actually study the Great Depression before you comment on it or blame Mises for the writings of a single author. If you knew anything about Mises, you would know he shared many ideas with Marx regarding "the parasitic class". 

This did not make him Marxian, as his well written treatise against socialism testifies. 

The collapse of the markets and economy in 1929 had nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with central banks withdrawing capital and the abuse of the monetary system for the purpose of leverage as the gold standard had been gutted. 

Keynes and FDR did nothing to improve the depression and actually, their policies extended it- though it was FDR more than Keynes at fault. Government intervention extended the depression and allowed the "parasitic class" to profit from it. 

There is no such thing as honest governance (kind of like free markets). What should concern you is why? What does the world have to fear from free markets? Only the loss of the parasitic class. If you read more of Von Mises work, you would know this.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:53 | 2851100 eddiebe
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What if they called a war and nobody showed up for it?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:59 | 2851103 Monedas
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What a kaleidoscope of crap is your commie mind !  You make the wacky Monedas look crisp, decisive and erudite !  

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:07 | 2851105 Monedas
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PAX Britannica and Americana were driven by an abscence of intelligent life in the third world !   Nature abhors a vacuum !   Blame yourselves first !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:11 | 2851106 falak pema
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Yah, so was Nero when he burnt Rome. Those pesky christian commies of old! 

Nature abhors Roman despots and makes a vacuum of Rome! Blame yourselves Romans of new Rome. 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:38 | 2851121 Sandmann
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Crap ! They were driven by a willingness to use Brutal Force to achieve aims and large families in The West where losing a son or two did not cause as much damage as in households with 1 or only 2 children. Feminisation of Society means Mothers do not accept dead sons as readily as mothers in the Third World do. It is all to do with rates of breeding and the need to occupy surplus manpower

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:15 | 2851108 Monedas
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Anglo exuberance bubbled into the default deficit void of cultures which were clueless and grasping for our guidance !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:18 | 2851111 Monedas
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Falak, are you upset that the Iranian Ria is rapidly becoming worthless ?  You seem a little more annoyed with the "West" than usual ?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:45 | 2851124 falak pema
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why should I be? Its part of the great scheme of things, the race to the bottom. The west is also where my family lives, so its tuff shit for all of us; that it plays so badly the "great game".

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:50 | 2851127 Monedas
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You are a work in progress ! To be a true first worlder you have to get through the second world maze first !  Good luck .... we will win you over .... there's no where else to go .... we are the show .... enjoy !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:26 | 2851149 falak pema
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who is We...? lol, 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:21 | 2851115 Monedas
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Why is it you third worlders hug the knees of our second rate minds .... like Marx ?  Maybe your children will be able to go where you fear to tread .... and embrace the best of Western Judeo/Christian thought !   

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:36 | 2851119 Sandmann
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Marxism has nothing to do with Third World upheaval - they showed that in Vietnam. Most of the Third World fighting is NATIONALISM but that doesn't resonate with Western Intellectuals or Media so they sell them Marxism which suits the Government Elites just fine so they can have another "Crusade Against Communism" and get the John Birch Society on board.

We are the ones being played !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:37 | 2851336 TrulyStupid
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It isn't's anti-colonialism and self determination they're fighting FOR.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:46 | 2851126 Monedas
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We charmed our way into India like snake charmers .... very little force was required .... except to keep the natives from killing each other as they vied to win our favors as the liberators they adored !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:54 | 2851129 Monedas
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The race is on with Viet Nam, Myanmar and Cambodia to re-integrate with West .... we welcome them back to the good fight !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:47 | 2851166 Crassus
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Iran will as well. Iran has several secular political factions all of whom know that political dominance will come by being the party that makes peace with the U. S.  This is why there is such vocal opposition to any party that appears to be extending the olive branch.  Iran and the U. S. have too many close associations to remain at odds without artificial enmity.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 05:58 | 2851131 Monedas
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An English lady lifted her veil .... and a thousand Indians and Pakistanis swooned in the mid day sun !  You adore us too .... admit it and enjoy it .... life is short !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:05 | 2851133 Scorpio69er
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There is nothing new under the sun.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:18 | 2851137 Monedas
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I'm enjoying all the third world beauties on CNN .... most of them have socialist shit for brains .... but they are delectable to watch .... just push the mute button .... I do like to hear their feminine little voices !

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:20 | 2851143 Monedas
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Maybe Scorpio has the answer .... more 69ing leaves less time for war ?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 06:40 | 2851157 Crassus
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Man has always found that war breaks up the boredom.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:38 | 2851227 rsnoble
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To bad all this couldn't have a fairytale ending, like all of us waking up one am with the same idea "today is the day to kill the elite".  Of course you know human nature, how long would it be before the next set of crazy fucks have us bent over the barrel? We are just screwed.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:50 | 2851256 Money 4 Nothing
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Whatever the next war is, I'm already against it..

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:57 | 2851269 TrustWho
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Read Orwell's "1984", maybe a libertarian theology....oops, the masses will always be manipulated by the few.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 20:06 | 2854025 Shigure
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Mass protests: but TPTB go ahead anyway.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:58 | 2851273 waviator
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While I love Mises, and abhor war for most of the reasons stated, the author failed miserably in one respect:
He suggests that Iran is innocent of seeking WMD because it is still a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty, or because the CIA thinks they are years away from success.
These statements completely undermine the argument by offering weak and trivial evidence when there are thousands of better reasons to avoid war. For instance, who gives a shit if Iran has a nuclear weapon? There are lots of nuclear weapons, and no one actually detonates them. So my son does not need to die to prevent them from obtaining one, or to get their oil.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 07:58 | 2851274 Radical Marijuana
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Excellent article, up until the point where it stops. The last two lines is where it collapses. The penultimate line is superficial psychology. The last line is superficial ecology. The deeper psychology relates to the deeper ecology. This entire article fits the pattern of what I call "reactionary revolution" to a T.  The vast majority is excellent analysis of history, then at the very end, it collapses back to bullshit.

Energy laws and general systems theory are the general ways that we understand everything else, and should be applied to understand warfare. There are chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, and warfare has evolved as the expedient default solutions to those problems in the past. The reality of those problems drove both the psychological and the ecological situations. The psychological depends on the ecological, not the other way around.

Therefore, it is not enough to speak about how the top carnivores in the human ecology are "sadistic," and it not enough to say that they are nothing but "parasites." There are deeper and more compelling long-term reasons why, over and over, evolution developed ecological systems with relationships between those which fill the prey niches, and those which fill the predator/parasite niches.

Of course, it is mostly a waste of time to point this out to those who are committed to one side or the other. They want to believe in the false fundamental dichotomies, and to adhere to either/or, not both/and, when it comes to the imperatives of militarism. They are committed to supporting their side, rather than understanding the greater whole, since that tends to be the practical imperative. At least it WAS, until the development of weapons of mass destruction that are literally at least trillions of times more powerful than anything else in previous human history. AFTER atomic bombs, we all needed some radical paradigm shifts in militarism!

Warfare is the oldest and best developed social science. However, victory in war depended on being the best at deceits. That paradox is why the rest of our social sciences, and our psychology, is pathetic, compared to other sciences. Human sciences are seriously hamstrung by the history of the advantages from lying.

To move beyond that is a kind of sublime impossibility, which is being driven by the imperatives of progress in other sciences, like physics and biology, making us able to produce weapons that are orders of magnitude more powerful ... while, yet, at the same time, our social system is governed by the history that made those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that with violence, the winners of past wars, and therefore, those who became the most wealthy and powerful people.

Human reality is always based on organized lies, operating organized robbery. Those who were the best at that are those whom this article describes as "sadistic parasites."  While that may well be superficially true, there is nothing there which would enable the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life to resolved any better.

Of course, I recognize that different practical people adapt by agreeing with one side or another, while seeing both sides, and beyond, does not seem too practical, but rather a kind of sublime silliness. But nevertheless, the problem of weapons of mass destruction making old-fashioned warfare almost omnicidal is still there, as a theoretically reality, which almost nobody is dealing with, since each side is committed to their own side.

Oh well, the consolations of philosophy are to attempt to understand the bigger picture, despite one's particular fate within that. As numerous other comments that I have posted on the Zero Hedge Web site in the previous few weeks have pointed out, money is based on murder. We are within a combined money/murder system. The debt controls depend on the death controls. The prey people NEED limits, because there ARE natural limits. Something has to stop impossible exponential growth, and something does!

Only doing that better is possible. Stopping it totally is totally impossible. Therefore, what we should do is move beyond the superficial and silly psychology and ecology presented in the last two lines of this article. We need paradigm shifts in the science of warfare. We need a radically different militarism to evolve, AFTER progress in our other sciences have rendered up weapons of mass destruction. We should evolve a better murder system, doing better death controls. That would make it possible to have a better money system doing better debt controls.

We are stuck now in the deepening rut of the established systems driving themselves insane. However, branding them as simply "sadistic parasites" does not help. We need a better understanding of WHY warfare evolved. We need a better understanding of WHY the historical processes that made War King morphed to make Fraud King. I believe those things are theoretically possible, although they appear practically impossible for the foreseeable future ...

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 09:28 | 2851488 TrulyStupid
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Human reality? Is there any such thing common to all humans ore even large groups of them? Surely human reality must be a subset of a general universal reality as human life itself is subject to the ecology. The sun and planet nurtures all life as mothers nurture their children.

Where is the robbery and lies in the non-human universe?... these are nothing more than temporary phenomena created from human arrogance... those that believe that the individual shines on the sun and not the other way around.

There is such a thing as universal law - ethics. We are now stuck in the collapse of human institutions and behaviours based on moral failures.

Like a child inventing more twisted history to support a small lie, the moral transgressions have piled up to the point that the whole pyramid must collapse.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:57 | 2854725 Radical Marijuana
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As I said,


Whenever one subtracts a part from the whole, like subtracts any species from the environment, then, ACROSS THE DEFINED BOUNDARY,

energy is conserved, & therefore,

that life form must, by definition,

TAKE that energy from outside,

into itself, to continue living ...

Basic English definition of


is to take by force ...


You have to kill it, and eat it, and society

is just a lot of mouths doing that too &

society can reproduce more mouths!


Everything we "know" is SUBTRACTED.

Everything we know is therefore relative.


Any universal ethics comes from the

conservation of energy, & therefore,

is organized into various systems ...

Human civilization is organized lies,

operating organized robbery, SINCE


The non-human universe would not

be a system of lies and robbery ...

UNLESS that non-human part is

also operating a mental model,

and therefore, defined as such,

and therefore, operating VIA

LIES and ROBBERY, like us.

Overall, I agree with your view.

Current arrogance & madness

of the social pyramid systems

are TOO much, TOO big lies,

and therefore, are doomed!


"human reality must be a subset of a general universal reality as human life itself is subject to the ecology"

THAT is what I am doing, by applying my best understanding of energy laws and general systems theory to human realities in general, and war in particular.

Like I said, the basic, empirically observed, and confirmed by experience, view is thermodynamics and information theory. They manifest the conservation of energy, and the increase of entropy. Both of those are first approximations, as best we can do, at present. The theory regarding both have some profound philosophical problems.

ALL IS ONE ENERGY is the same as what ancient mystics intuited. Thus, the prey and the parasite/predators are ONE flow, ... EXCEPT when we define them, and then, BY DEFINITION, a lot of things automatically must happen, due to the nature of all languages, and due the way stories are told.  That identification of things, and the narratives about those things, applies to everything, including to warfare.

I add that the concept of "entropy" in mainstream, orthodox science is BACKWARDS. An arbitrary minus sign was inserted into the entropy equations, so that power and information would have positive, rather than negative values. That was a HUGE philosophical mistake. It is one of the many, many ways that we are living in a Bizarro Mirror World Fun House, controlled by lies, backed by violence, operating organized frauds and robberies.

The only things relatively common to all human beings are basic laws of nature. Warfare is when some men fought other men, using nature as an ally. The conquest of nature was the conquest of some men, by other men, using nature as an ally. Although "successful" warfare depends on deceits, and spies are the most important soldiers, there are still basic levels of the laws of nature, that enable the physical fighting, and violence, or the basic application of force, to be REAL, and EFFECTIVE.

That is the level upon which people "agree" when they are fighting, although they might not agree on anything else, and usually tend to be lying about everything else.

There is a sliding scale between the relative usefulness of how we define things, and tell stories. in order to have organized systems of lies, in the form of social systems, that then conflict and fight with other such systems.

In recent history, the constant war in Europe, for a long, long time, developed warfare there in general. and drove the evolution of technologies, which then could suddenly spread out and conquer the whole world in the last 500 years. That triumph tended to be with a Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand. The organized lies, operating the organized robbery.

ALL other human societies were doing similar things, in different ways. Those better at that were able to defeat others who were not as good at that. ... HOWEVER, there is another issue about the long-term, versus the short-term, and what works best, and is therefore imperative militarism in the short-term, may well not work so well in the longer term.

Indeed, the current runaway triumph of the Fraud Kings, the central banksters, is threatening itself with too much "success" from too many and too HUGE LIES.

Similarly, the triumph of militarism drove through the development of weapons of mass destruction, like atomic bombs, which are now TOO BIG to fit inside of the social systems that originally created them.

Therefore, we should go back to basics! That is what my view of warfare attempts to do.  It is a creatively synthesis of ancient mysticism, with postmodernizing science, BECAUSE we have had awesome scientific progress, up to the point where THAT threatens our continued survival! WE NEED, and so, should go through, profound paradigm shifts in militarism! Like I said, that is the only realistic way to sustain adequate changes in our money system.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:06 | 2851287 Unbezahlbar
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'Wells Fargo and JPMorgan both broke profit records in 2011 and are expected to do so again next year, according to analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg.'



Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:23 | 2851306 Vooter
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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:35 | 2851326 RiverRoad
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So true.  War is so CONVENIENT.  Jane Fonda tried to say something like that once and got her head handed to her by the State.  Can't help but notice what's going on with China and Japan right now too.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 09:52 | 2851604 surfsup
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I'd like to call bullshit on this as in the end those people want money far more than they want to control people by wars.   This is the best way known to create CREDIT -- (war materials) and to very quickly take that value back out of circulation (war tools get destroyed) so that even more CREDIT can be issued.   


Also, in the big game of fiat finance the notion to destroy goods is seen as a component to the issuance vast amounts of credit as this surge will not create inflation for the mere reason much of it is destroyed.   


So war is a bit more than the article asserts... 

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 10:11 | 2851671 LMAOLORI
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Interesting comment surfsup a Broken Window Fallacy on a grander scale. Interesting to note obama said Afghanistan is the good war and we certainly don't hear much about it in the mainstream media now that he is in charge.

‘The Good War’ Has Gone Terribly Wrong

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:45 | 2851969 Audacity17
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The reason for perpetual war in the Middle East is Islam.  End of story.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:50 | 2851989 JohnFrodo
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Wars are always about profit. Maybe WW2 was an exception, but its cause was a direct result of the reparations of WW1. Since the Kennedy assasination it is easy to conclude that a shadow goverment has taken control of the USA.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 12:21 | 2852107 Juan Tumene
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As far as the US war-machine is concerned,  they seem to have lost sight of the profit-motive.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 12:16 | 2852086 Monk
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Oil and the petrodollar.


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