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Debate Post-Mortem: Fast-Talking Romney For 'The People' As Obama Asks Gingerly If 'Got Medicare?'

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As Mr. Lehrer stumbled through the evening and the incumbent's odds of a repeat fell as fast as his frustration appeared to rise, a few things became very clear. President Obama spoke for over four minutes longer than Governor Romney in this evening's slug-fest. However, the fast-talking Mitt managed to squeeze in over 8300 words as opposed to Barack's 7400 words. The word-clouds below suggest each of the candidates' focus tonight with Obama appearing focused on his opponent 'Governor Romney' with heavy use of the words 'Got' and 'Medicare'; while word-wrangler Romney focused on 'People', 'Get', 'Going', 'Government', and 'Plan' (and no 'zinger'). If you are still standing after the drinking games, here are the details...


The market is voting after-hours - as Intrade's Obama Odds are dead-cat-bouncing lower on decent volume... (though obviously still a 66.5 to 33.5 leader)



According to CNN:


We calculate that to be:

  • Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, while
  • Romney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32


and the entire debate was over 16,000 words (including Mr. Lehrer's interruptions...)


with Mr. Romney's focus... People, Get, Going, Government, Plan


and President Obama's focus... Governor Romney, Got, Going, Medicare, Insurance; and 'Make, People, Think'


So, Romney 'outperformed' Obama by 26.2% in fast-talking?


Please note - (we have not pro forma-ed these numbers for lack of teleprompter)


...and, by way of non-fiction flashback, on this day a mere 70 years ago, the President was raising taxes, fixing wages and prices, and in the middle of a war...

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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:51 | 2854733 The Shootist
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Romney whipped him!

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:53 | 2854739 Half_A_Billion_...
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What's the difference between them?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:54 | 2854741 The Shootist
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IQ probably.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:58 | 2854751 ghengis86
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854756 strannick
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They both lost because they are both #$%&#

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:06 | 2854775 redpill
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The only good thing about this election is that only one of them can win.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:18 | 2854777 Muppet of the U...
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i was just waking up from blacking out and thinking about word clouds.

& you were already doing the word cloud...

ZH you truly are the champs of this drinking game.

Truly, masters of the universe; my hat goes off to you.

btw i just thought of the ultimate shit hits the fan indicator.  the number of times the puppets use the word machines when addressing the muppets at these kinds of events...


^music fer ur trouble u get bitches with this

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:25 | 2854803 ghengis86
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Romney is definitely the better debater than Obama.  After tonight's performance, I would go as far to say that Romney is the master-debater.  Obama just sat there with his dick in his hand.

and I would give my left nut to see Ron Paul or for fuck's sake, even Gary Schlongson on that stage.  ROmney defending entitlements like Medicare??  Obama 'worried' about the middle class??  i can't tell the difference between what these fucks stand for...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:38 | 2854839 Ahmeexnal
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No "FORWARD" in Ogolfer's word cloud?

Can't really blame Ogolfer for being speech challenged.  It's his teleprompter's fault!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:49 | 2854857 dubbleoj
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lots of commenters cheering for romney here, they must not read this site much...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:04 | 2854873 James_Cole
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If only Obama & Romney could both lose...

Obama "Good evening, now let me start by lie lie lie lie lie lie" Romney "Mr President, what you are saying is untrue, what my policy is lie lie lie lie lie" Lehrer "Let's talk about domestic policy - in particular nothing of any importance. First useless question goes to Obama." Obama "Thanks Jim, thanks America. Thanks God. Thanks Michelle. Thanks Romney. Look, my first talking point..."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:13 | 2854892 The Alarmist
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Gotta love that sub-headline, "Stalingrad defenders gain."  

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:33 | 2854980 JLee2027
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Back when the media told the truth! The good old days.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:44 | 2855027 mick68
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Obama without a teleprompter and a one word slogan he can repeat 100X isn't too impressive.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:31 | 2855143 nmewn
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Best one liner so far..."That wasn't a debate so much as Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car."-Mark Hemingway

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:48 | 2855156 economics9698
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Romney let Obama ramble on, why interrupt incompetence in front of 40 million people?


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:49 | 2855163 nmewn
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True...he ain't much without his teleprompter is he? ;-)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:51 | 2855078 Colonial Intent
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The sites owner is pro-romney, its readers not so much.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:13 | 2855132 NidStyles
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The site's owner is actually pro-market. Pro-Market means not for Romney.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:50 | 2855165 economics9698
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Lol, the last time we had a capitalist president was Calvin Coolidge.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:25 | 2855663 Diogenes
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What about Warren Harding? He let the post WW1 depression run its course, it was as bad as the 1929 depression but over so fast no one remembers it. He then presided over the 1920s boom the biggest and best economic expansion in America's history.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:45 | 2856160 icanhasbailout
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the 1920s "boom" was the Fed's first bubble

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:36 | 2857622 NidStyles
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You mean the 1919 boom I hope.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:51 | 2855548 Colonial Intent
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But Romneys one of you guys.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:58 | 2857687 NidStyles
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Sure he's one of us. Just as we are all predatory vultures looking to steal wealth from others...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:45 | 2855741 Colonial Intent
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Edit: its readers arent that stupid.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:20 | 2855189 MassDecep
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"lots of commenters cheering for romney here, they must not read this site much..."


The reality is that TPTB already, (via election fraud, through electron manipulation) have their man chosen. But, on another note, the ZH'ers, as a majority wanted Ron Paul. TPTB cannot tolerate such an honest person. Someone who would tell the American sheeple, the lie they are living, and also to prepare for hardships. With that thought, the only slight ray of decency when TSHTF may be Romney. Obama, I believe, will win the election, and will be extremely brutal in the upcoming days of America, and the world, for that matter. It's been said that "if Obama wins this election, he is taking the gloves off". I feel this may be the case, and there will be much blood.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:11 | 2855267 Sauk Leader
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Most people here were happy to see ANYONE calling the president out on a few things on national TV. If only Univision had a moderator in one of these debates.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:13 | 2855853 BooMushroom
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Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson.  Hell, I'd take Colbert or Stewart over Obama.  Either one of them would be able to look members of either party in the eye and say "now you're just being stupid.  This is a problem, and we need to fix it."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:47 | 2854904 ACP
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I think Intrade's "Bibi Will Attack Iran" odds fell in unison with Obama's chances for re-election.

But seriously, it looked like Obama doesn't even want to be re-elected. And that 4,000 calorie dinner he had from the Cheesecake Factory probably didn't help either.

Edit: I just couldn't help it...this pretty much sums up tonight's debate...hint: Obama is played by Sylvester Stallone:


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:18 | 2855055 Henry Chinaski
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I didn't watch, but Obama usually speaks in negative terms more than any other public figure I have heard.  What about "no, can't, won't, not..."  Strawman talk.  I didn't need to see it to realize that this guy would debate like he presides.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:31 | 2855145 new game
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didn't waste any time either, but 33 days from now o will win as 1/2 of voters will vote with the freebies from gub and hollywood/socialist/facist money will push him back in office. why change the status quo when all going their way.

they got what they(banksters, corps, and military)want right now and to boot the fed printing their bonuses. hello anyone out there?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:02 | 2854882 OldPhart
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They both stand for the Oligarch...in Obama's case he sometimes bows.

It's Ludicrous

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:14 | 2854893 The Alarmist
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No, it's polite.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:57 | 2855038 Urban Redneck
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Actually it's NOT polite, and it tends to be embarrassing to the one who actually understands proper etiquette, and cannot reciprocate.

Carefully and deliberately constructed diplomatic protocols might be too sophisticated for a lower primate, but even lower primates are capable of creating distinct social rituals when societal members OF EQUAL STANDING encounter each other.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:00 | 2855074 Colonial Intent
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Obama should of done what bush W did, kiss him on the cheek while holding his hand, although to be fair if i was getting paid as much of a retainer as bush was by the saudis, i'd have kissed him too:-)


Be a good little untermenschen and go die for your masser, iran needs your blood to be spilt on its sands for democracy and patriotism, nothing to do with imposing a one world sytem of governance.

I thought an urban redneck might be somehow more civilised than a rural one.

Silly me.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:21 | 2855192 Urban Redneck
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Your laughable false sense of superiority betrays the intellectual inferiority of your argument.  

You sound like one of those cute little well trained feces flinging monkeys that are bread and raised for show in the great R&D Circus of American political theater.  If you think my opinion of the etiquette of the spawn of the "Monkey in the White House" is any higher than my opinion of that for its current occupant, perhaps you should read more of my published work, or at least better camouflage your ignorance.

And while your at it don't use poor and incorrect German in the presence of Swiss-German speaking Redneck.  Those big German compound noun constructions appear to be more than your little mind can process, and the extent to which you are in over your head is recorded for posterity for all to see.





Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:49 | 2855219 Sketch
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For all the words you just vomited, you might want to focus more on your English skills as opposed to rapping on someone's German.

First, "bread" is something you eat. While "bred', which I'm assuming is what you meant, refers to implications of one's genetic makeup via the combination of their predecessors' heritage.

Also, tell me more about this "etiquette" you refer to. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:10 | 2855265 Urban Redneck
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I was hoping the colonial fool would return with that one, you're killing my lunch hour entertainment...


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:38 | 2855521 Colonial Intent
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Apologies, I nipped out for a swim andf a sauna.

His response was better than mine, all i had to come back with was an insult about nazi gold......and i'll bet you're one of them 'high german' speakers arent you :-)


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:37 | 2855707 Urban Redneck
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My German is actually atrocious.  It is the bastard mashup of the dialect spoken in the Gemeinde, the Schweizerdeutsch of the office, and my wife's 4th language.  But, as far I know, I am not suffering MPD/DIS, in any dialect of German.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:42 | 2855731 Colonial Intent
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My fave thing about switzerland was jogging round kandersteg and using three different languages before breakfast.




Thu, 10/04/2012 - 13:39 | 2856357 Urban Redneck
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I don't know the bezirke on that side of lake, but I do know a few truly cukoo (and mildly xenophbic) Swiss just north of there.  If zou've spent time here, then HOW THE HELL DID YOU WALK INTO THAT ONE?  Even the actual racists in Switzerland are far more subtle than that, since the Swiss Thought Police have an Onyx fetish to match the US SEC's tranny porn fetish- and I'm on this site with a big old map showing just how to find me (even if they can't hack Tor).    




I didn't realize the English translation of Nörgler is Niggler...

So many closet racists hiding behind the gun control banner... This could be fun...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 04:07 | 2858555 Colonial Intent
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When in a foreign land I try very hard not to argue with the locals, regardless of my personal opinions/beliefs.

On the interwebs tho.......

As the hotel chef always says to me in her only known english 'bloody afghans' no matter if they are black, brown or yellow:-)

Tor is as far as i know extremely resource heavy to hack, however GCHQ are of the opinion that if you are running tor then you must be guilty of something.

Hopefully they have bigger fish to fry, but given what happened to fluffy bunny, anyone in the uk can never be sure they wont be given a suprise flight to america.

Niggardly is my fave race word at the mo, it catches most people out.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:21 | 2856522 Urban Redneck
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Man, someone didn't catch the bread & circus double entrendre, at least I wasn't posting in ancient Greek like yesterday-

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:36 | 2855338 Urban Redneck
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For Western etiquette and protocol, read Amy Vanderbuilt's book, it is relatively concise and much shorter than a proper explanation of the intricacies of Eastern nations' bows and their many localizations (wai, namaste, et al.).  

If persons of equal rank (Head of State) are going to bow, there is usually a "correct" way to execute the greeting (and at that level -two armies of protocal officers to work out the formalities beforehand).  If the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques had reciprocated Obama's greeting of submission it might have caused "domestic problems" on a scale much greater than one dead US Ambassador or a stupid YouTube video.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:10 | 2855001 Boris Alatovkrap
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Romney is master-debater? Maybe is Obama longer for race baiting and has master-baiting?!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:27 | 2854809 Spastica Rex
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Brilliant +50

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:59 | 2854943 Daily Bail
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:45 | 2855159 duo
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I want to know why "um" and "you know" aren't in the word cloud.

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