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Debate Post-Mortem: Fast-Talking Romney For 'The People' As Obama Asks Gingerly If 'Got Medicare?'

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As Mr. Lehrer stumbled through the evening and the incumbent's odds of a repeat fell as fast as his frustration appeared to rise, a few things became very clear. President Obama spoke for over four minutes longer than Governor Romney in this evening's slug-fest. However, the fast-talking Mitt managed to squeeze in over 8300 words as opposed to Barack's 7400 words. The word-clouds below suggest each of the candidates' focus tonight with Obama appearing focused on his opponent 'Governor Romney' with heavy use of the words 'Got' and 'Medicare'; while word-wrangler Romney focused on 'People', 'Get', 'Going', 'Government', and 'Plan' (and no 'zinger'). If you are still standing after the drinking games, here are the details...


The market is voting after-hours - as Intrade's Obama Odds are dead-cat-bouncing lower on decent volume... (though obviously still a 66.5 to 33.5 leader)



According to CNN:


We calculate that to be:

  • Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, while
  • Romney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32


and the entire debate was over 16,000 words (including Mr. Lehrer's interruptions...)


with Mr. Romney's focus... People, Get, Going, Government, Plan


and President Obama's focus... Governor Romney, Got, Going, Medicare, Insurance; and 'Make, People, Think'


So, Romney 'outperformed' Obama by 26.2% in fast-talking?


Please note - (we have not pro forma-ed these numbers for lack of teleprompter)


...and, by way of non-fiction flashback, on this day a mere 70 years ago, the President was raising taxes, fixing wages and prices, and in the middle of a war...


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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:51 | 2854733 The Shootist
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Romney whipped him!

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:53 | 2854739 Half_A_Billion_...
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What's the difference between them?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:54 | 2854741 The Shootist
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IQ probably.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:58 | 2854751 ghengis86
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854756 strannick
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They both lost because they are both #$%&#

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:06 | 2854775 redpill
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The only good thing about this election is that only one of them can win.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:18 | 2854777 Muppet of the U...
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i was just waking up from blacking out and thinking about word clouds.

& you were already doing the word cloud...

ZH you truly are the champs of this drinking game.

Truly, masters of the universe; my hat goes off to you.

btw i just thought of the ultimate shit hits the fan indicator.  the number of times the puppets use the word machines when addressing the muppets at these kinds of events...

^music fer ur trouble u get bitches with this

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:25 | 2854803 ghengis86
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Romney is definitely the better debater than Obama.  After tonight's performance, I would go as far to say that Romney is the master-debater.  Obama just sat there with his dick in his hand.

and I would give my left nut to see Ron Paul or for fuck's sake, even Gary Schlongson on that stage.  ROmney defending entitlements like Medicare??  Obama 'worried' about the middle class??  i can't tell the difference between what these fucks stand for...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:38 | 2854839 Ahmeexnal
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No "FORWARD" in Ogolfer's word cloud?

Can't really blame Ogolfer for being speech challenged.  It's his teleprompter's fault!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:49 | 2854857 dubbleoj
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lots of commenters cheering for romney here, they must not read this site much...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:04 | 2854873 James_Cole
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If only Obama & Romney could both lose...

Obama "Good evening, now let me start by lie lie lie lie lie lie" Romney "Mr President, what you are saying is untrue, what my policy is lie lie lie lie lie" Lehrer "Let's talk about domestic policy - in particular nothing of any importance. First useless question goes to Obama." Obama "Thanks Jim, thanks America. Thanks God. Thanks Michelle. Thanks Romney. Look, my first talking point..."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:13 | 2854892 The Alarmist
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Gotta love that sub-headline, "Stalingrad defenders gain."  

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:33 | 2854980 JLee2027
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Back when the media told the truth! The good old days.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:44 | 2855027 mick68
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Obama without a teleprompter and a one word slogan he can repeat 100X isn't too impressive.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:31 | 2855143 nmewn
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Best one liner so far..."That wasn't a debate so much as Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car."-Mark Hemingway

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:48 | 2855156 economics9698
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Romney let Obama ramble on, why interrupt incompetence in front of 40 million people?


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:49 | 2855163 nmewn
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True...he ain't much without his teleprompter is he? ;-)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:51 | 2855078 Colonial Intent
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The sites owner is pro-romney, its readers not so much.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:13 | 2855132 NidStyles
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The site's owner is actually pro-market. Pro-Market means not for Romney.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:50 | 2855165 economics9698
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Lol, the last time we had a capitalist president was Calvin Coolidge.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:25 | 2855663 Diogenes
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What about Warren Harding? He let the post WW1 depression run its course, it was as bad as the 1929 depression but over so fast no one remembers it. He then presided over the 1920s boom the biggest and best economic expansion in America's history.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:45 | 2856160 icanhasbailout
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the 1920s "boom" was the Fed's first bubble

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:36 | 2857622 NidStyles
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You mean the 1919 boom I hope.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:51 | 2855548 Colonial Intent
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But Romneys one of you guys.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:58 | 2857687 NidStyles
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Sure he's one of us. Just as we are all predatory vultures looking to steal wealth from others...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:45 | 2855741 Colonial Intent
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Edit: its readers arent that stupid.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:20 | 2855189 MassDecep
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"lots of commenters cheering for romney here, they must not read this site much..."


The reality is that TPTB already, (via election fraud, through electron manipulation) have their man chosen. But, on another note, the ZH'ers, as a majority wanted Ron Paul. TPTB cannot tolerate such an honest person. Someone who would tell the American sheeple, the lie they are living, and also to prepare for hardships. With that thought, the only slight ray of decency when TSHTF may be Romney. Obama, I believe, will win the election, and will be extremely brutal in the upcoming days of America, and the world, for that matter. It's been said that "if Obama wins this election, he is taking the gloves off". I feel this may be the case, and there will be much blood.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:11 | 2855267 Sauk Leader
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Most people here were happy to see ANYONE calling the president out on a few things on national TV. If only Univision had a moderator in one of these debates.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:13 | 2855853 BooMushroom
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Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson.  Hell, I'd take Colbert or Stewart over Obama.  Either one of them would be able to look members of either party in the eye and say "now you're just being stupid.  This is a problem, and we need to fix it."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:47 | 2854904 ACP
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I think Intrade's "Bibi Will Attack Iran" odds fell in unison with Obama's chances for re-election.

But seriously, it looked like Obama doesn't even want to be re-elected. And that 4,000 calorie dinner he had from the Cheesecake Factory probably didn't help either.

Edit: I just couldn't help it...this pretty much sums up tonight's debate...hint: Obama is played by Sylvester Stallone:

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:18 | 2855055 Henry Chinaski
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I didn't watch, but Obama usually speaks in negative terms more than any other public figure I have heard.  What about "no, can't, won't, not..."  Strawman talk.  I didn't need to see it to realize that this guy would debate like he presides.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:31 | 2855145 new game
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didn't waste any time either, but 33 days from now o will win as 1/2 of voters will vote with the freebies from gub and hollywood/socialist/facist money will push him back in office. why change the status quo when all going their way.

they got what they(banksters, corps, and military)want right now and to boot the fed printing their bonuses. hello anyone out there?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:02 | 2854882 OldPhart
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They both stand for the Obama's case he sometimes bows.

It's Ludicrous

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:14 | 2854893 The Alarmist
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No, it's polite.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:57 | 2855038 Urban Redneck
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Actually it's NOT polite, and it tends to be embarrassing to the one who actually understands proper etiquette, and cannot reciprocate.

Carefully and deliberately constructed diplomatic protocols might be too sophisticated for a lower primate, but even lower primates are capable of creating distinct social rituals when societal members OF EQUAL STANDING encounter each other.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:00 | 2855074 Colonial Intent
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Obama should of done what bush W did, kiss him on the cheek while holding his hand, although to be fair if i was getting paid as much of a retainer as bush was by the saudis, i'd have kissed him too:-)


Be a good little untermenschen and go die for your masser, iran needs your blood to be spilt on its sands for democracy and patriotism, nothing to do with imposing a one world sytem of governance.

I thought an urban redneck might be somehow more civilised than a rural one.

Silly me.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:21 | 2855192 Urban Redneck
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Your laughable false sense of superiority betrays the intellectual inferiority of your argument.  

You sound like one of those cute little well trained feces flinging monkeys that are bread and raised for show in the great R&D Circus of American political theater.  If you think my opinion of the etiquette of the spawn of the "Monkey in the White House" is any higher than my opinion of that for its current occupant, perhaps you should read more of my published work, or at least better camouflage your ignorance.

And while your at it don't use poor and incorrect German in the presence of Swiss-German speaking Redneck.  Those big German compound noun constructions appear to be more than your little mind can process, and the extent to which you are in over your head is recorded for posterity for all to see.





Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:49 | 2855219 Sketch
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For all the words you just vomited, you might want to focus more on your English skills as opposed to rapping on someone's German.

First, "bread" is something you eat. While "bred', which I'm assuming is what you meant, refers to implications of one's genetic makeup via the combination of their predecessors' heritage.

Also, tell me more about this "etiquette" you refer to. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:10 | 2855265 Urban Redneck
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I was hoping the colonial fool would return with that one, you're killing my lunch hour entertainment...


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:38 | 2855521 Colonial Intent
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Apologies, I nipped out for a swim andf a sauna.

His response was better than mine, all i had to come back with was an insult about nazi gold......and i'll bet you're one of them 'high german' speakers arent you :-)


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:37 | 2855707 Urban Redneck
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My German is actually atrocious.  It is the bastard mashup of the dialect spoken in the Gemeinde, the Schweizerdeutsch of the office, and my wife's 4th language.  But, as far I know, I am not suffering MPD/DIS, in any dialect of German.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:42 | 2855731 Colonial Intent
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My fave thing about switzerland was jogging round kandersteg and using three different languages before breakfast.




Thu, 10/04/2012 - 13:39 | 2856357 Urban Redneck
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I don't know the bezirke on that side of lake, but I do know a few truly cukoo (and mildly xenophbic) Swiss just north of there.  If zou've spent time here, then HOW THE HELL DID YOU WALK INTO THAT ONE?  Even the actual racists in Switzerland are far more subtle than that, since the Swiss Thought Police have an Onyx fetish to match the US SEC's tranny porn fetish- and I'm on this site with a big old map showing just how to find me (even if they can't hack Tor).  

I didn't realize the English translation of Nörgler is Niggler...

So many closet racists hiding behind the gun control banner... This could be fun...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 04:07 | 2858555 Colonial Intent
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When in a foreign land I try very hard not to argue with the locals, regardless of my personal opinions/beliefs.

On the interwebs tho.......

As the hotel chef always says to me in her only known english 'bloody afghans' no matter if they are black, brown or yellow:-)

Tor is as far as i know extremely resource heavy to hack, however GCHQ are of the opinion that if you are running tor then you must be guilty of something.

Hopefully they have bigger fish to fry, but given what happened to fluffy bunny, anyone in the uk can never be sure they wont be given a suprise flight to america.

Niggardly is my fave race word at the mo, it catches most people out.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:21 | 2856522 Urban Redneck
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Man, someone didn't catch the bread & circus double entrendre, at least I wasn't posting in ancient Greek like yesterday-

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:36 | 2855338 Urban Redneck
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For Western etiquette and protocol, read Amy Vanderbuilt's book, it is relatively concise and much shorter than a proper explanation of the intricacies of Eastern nations' bows and their many localizations (wai, namaste, et al.).  

If persons of equal rank (Head of State) are going to bow, there is usually a "correct" way to execute the greeting (and at that level -two armies of protocal officers to work out the formalities beforehand).  If the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques had reciprocated Obama's greeting of submission it might have caused "domestic problems" on a scale much greater than one dead US Ambassador or a stupid YouTube video.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:10 | 2855001 Boris Alatovkrap
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Romney is master-debater? Maybe is Obama longer for race baiting and has master-baiting?!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:27 | 2854809 Spastica Rex
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Brilliant +50

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:59 | 2854943 Daily Bail
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:45 | 2855159 duo
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I want to know why "um" and "you know" aren't in the word cloud.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:50 | 2855225 Sketch
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Those words were part of the drinking game. Weren't you paying attention? or did you pass out too?

/Alcohol poisoning for EVERYONE!!!!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:51 | 2854859 zebra
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And the bad thing about the election is that at least one of them will win.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:14 | 2854895 The Alarmist
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Unfortunately the rest of us lose.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:07 | 2854948 zebra
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don't worry, we will spread this wonderful democracy experience to our middle east friends.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:07 | 2854949 zebra
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don't worry, we will spread this wonderful democracy experience to our middle east friends.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:47 | 2855029 John_Coltrane
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I had a dream the other night that despite the polls, 98% of the voters wrote in Ron Paul.  Both candidates claimed the result to be a scam as no way do 98% of the voters know how to write.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:00 | 2855240 BeetleBailey
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I skipped this bullshit political Kabuki theater of the absurd.....watched the brain thanked me this morning....


Debates...please....these two full of shit used douchebags can fuck right off

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:46 | 2855161 Mad Mohel
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We lost. Stuck with a choice between two chumps.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:49 | 2855164 overmedicatedun...
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diebold and soros/scytyl have the winner they will let us know in nov.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:09 | 2855840 toady
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I've been waiting for the diebold conspiracy theories to start up again. Seems like people have lost interest in that one this time around ...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:16 | 2854759 TruthInSunshine
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Senator Chucky "Fuck Flyover Country" Schumer (D-NY) doesn't give a shit. He's like the honey badger that way. His boy, The Bernank, has "gotten to work" per Chuck's directive of a few weeks ago, and that's all that matters for Chuck's true constituents.


Daily Bail: Chuck Tells Bernanke: 'Get To Work, Mr. Chairman' (VIDEO); Wall Street Dominates 'Schumer's List'
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:26 | 2854806 YuropeanImbecille
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It has now been confirmed that Romney did so well, that Obama will vote for him in the election.


After the debate he [Obama] is reported to have said said "Damn that dawg is good, call Jay-Z and let's have some bitches over and smoke some cronic"

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:26 | 2854975 Harbanger
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My favorite line from the debate was "I've been in business for 25 years and I have no idea WTF you're talking about."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:03 | 2855817 toady
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One of them actually said fuck and I missed it?

I didn't see fuck in the word cloud ...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:46 | 2854986 sadmamapatriot
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Via Political Math; After the debate, Romney was chugging chocolate milk and screaming "Is that all you got, motherfucker?"

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:22 | 2855010 YuropeanImbecille
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That is seriously fuqeen funny :) i actually LOL'ed

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:57 | 2855176 nmewn
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:05 | 2854773 THX 1178
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IQ is a measure of intelligence? I always thought "ability to deconstruct your childhood brainwashing" was the real measure of intelligence. And I'm not just talkin' religion.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:27 | 2854808 YuropeanImbecille
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That's because you are a pot smoking idiot. No News there really

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:05 | 2854881 THX 1178
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Childhood brainwashing victims tend to not understand the difference between fact and opinion-- if your parents don't want you to reject their "lessons" then they will do everything in their power to remove skepticism and the possibility that they are wrong. No brainwasher says, "It is my opinion that..." It's always fact with them. I've never met you before, and don't even know who you are... and you still assert that it is an objective fact that I am a pot smoking idiot. You should have said, "I bet you are a pot smoking idiot." or, "It seems to me you are a pot smoking idiot." or something similar. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your childhood brainwashing victim. *fanfare*

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:33 | 2854915 dark pools of soros
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it just sounds like no one ever gave you any crayons

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:38 | 2854918 THX 1178
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You just stated your opinion as a fact.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:42 | 2854925 THX 1178
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You are suggesting accuracy and lack of creativity are necessarily inclusive. Logical Error. Logical Error. But seriously, you are mistaken.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:33 | 2855147 mckee
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Edit ["In my opinion, it sounds as if no one ever gave you any crayons"]

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:57 | 2854940 YuropeanImbecille
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Hey you nutjob, can you please stop posting your mentally ill bullshit here? 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:58 | 2854941 THX 1178
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No. You don't like it? STOP READING IT!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:40 | 2855071 Colonial Intent
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Shh Thx, dont try using facts against him, he believes so strongly that in his mind its a fact, all the people he talks to and all the websites he visit agree with him, if enough people share your belief it becomes a fact, to quote Comrade anon

"American citizenism at its finest"

Srysly this is whats wrong with america too much emotional manipulation and not enough fact based decision making.

Romney " Ill make the rich richer"

Obama " Ill make the poor richer"

Emotional arguments, fear and greed win US election's

Bush won a second term on bashing gay marriage, thousands of your troops had died since their mission was accomplished, 911 had happened, and the patriot act had been passed, but gay marriage was the biggest threat to america.

RP and his simple factual honesty should be leading your country instead you have tweedle dum and tweedle dee pretending to have a battle.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:52 | 2855118 Bicycle Repairman
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Well if gay marriage was the biggest threat to America, then 'W' didn't stop that one, either.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:22 | 2854905 Law97
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I think it's THX 1138, but still, appreciate the ealry 70's "classics" reference.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:29 | 2854912 THX 1178
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Yes-- so do I, but THX 1138 was his name/number, so I had to pick a different one for myself.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:07 | 2854776 ACP
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Agreed. All I've got to say it was quite the spanking.

Pathetic to see the MSM trying for the stick-save, railing on as though the debate continues off the podium.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:03 | 2854883 Never_Put_Down
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Obama smokes too much weed and he was...ummm...wanting a telepromter

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:33 | 2854916 Mugatu
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I think some of the Obama puppet's strings broke.  It explains why his head was always looking down and his arms were always waiving like the fake George Bush (played by Will Farrell).

Guys behind the curtains please take note: Be sure to check your strings before the puppet show!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:54 | 2854991 StormShadow
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The hand controlling his mouth kept cramping up way too much...I mean WTF was he smilling on and off about the whole time?  Did someone keep holding up a Choom Gang sign in the audience?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:55 | 2854935 James-Morrison
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The devil you know (and hate) vs. the devil you don't know!

Term Limits, BITCHEZ!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:02 | 2855248 DosZap
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Best one liner of the debate,

"“Mr. President, you’re entitled to your own house and your own airplane, but not your own facts.”

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:54 | 2855772 toady
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Please. That one is as old as the hills.

I'd be surprised if a debate season went by without someone pulling out that one.

Was that one of the infamous zingers?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:56 | 2854747 HoofHearted
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You racist bastard. You can't say even say "whipped butter" around 0bama without being taken out back and shot. Why you gots to bring up these terrible memories? The bullet is still in.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:14 | 2854783 vast-dom
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:15 | 2855004 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris not is processing English phrase for Google Translate. Is poem to speaking?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:28 | 2855065 lakecity55
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Mittens took bammie for a ride on top o' his car last night.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:41 | 2854927 williambanzai7
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:59 | 2855570 ZeroAvatar
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Relax, sit back and enjoy a COHIBA.  After all, Romney's Flag lapel pin was TWICE as big as Obeyme's.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:13 | 2854956 HaroldWang
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Huh? Something was going on tonight?? I guess I was busy...Beautiful night for sailing. Really, why do you people care about this???


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:15 | 2855134 new game
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what debate? since they will not talk about the real pain needed to get to market based capitalism and growth slowdown due to 3.5 leverage (53T debt and 15T gdp-manipulated gub spending included) it is realy just a fucking joke...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:29 | 2855320 mac_daddy
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Obama won the debate. Sometimes less is more.

I think everyone is missing the fact that Obama is leading in enough battleground states, especially Ohio, that he only has to run out the clock. As we all know without his teleprompter he can say some pretty reveling stuff … the true Obama comes out and we can't have that can we.

The game plan was for Obama to bite his tongue  and let Romney hang himself. Now you say how did Romney hang himself, he showed up and now the media will regurgitate the Democrats talking points of Romney not giving enough specifics, never mind the fact he went point by point on almost every issue, the media will simply say "what are you hiding? Give us more details".

So all Obama has to do is stay on his schedule of fund raising, on our dime, making campaign speeches and repeating his talking points. The Democrats know that in time Americans will forget the debates. Sad but true.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:27 | 2855916 BooMushroom
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Now you say how did Romney hang himself, he showed up and now the media will regurgitate the Democrats talking points of Romney not giving enough specifics, never mind the fact he went point by point on almost every issue, the media will simply say "what are you hiding? Give us more details".
Ahh, but here's the thing.  People actually WATCHED the debates, actually saw Romney schooling the President and the moderator as well, without being rude, just being commanding.  Us internet political junkies have already heard a lot, and make up our decisions with a ton of info.  Low information voters just got a big chunk of info last night.  They may get more next Thursday.  This will be the first time that most network TV viewers got to see Romney without being edited, spun, or ignored by the MSM, and next week will be the first time they will get to see the same of Biden and Ryan.  Expect some serious self-destruction from Biden, and some serious wonkish populism from Ryan.  Oh God, expect some howlers from Biden.  He may end up accidentally endorsing Romney before the debate is over.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:36 | 2855704 toady
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That's rayciss!

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:53 | 2854738 FleaMarketPete
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Obama looked mad and lost....

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:05 | 2854769 Ness.
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He is... and did.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:20 | 2854791 DeadFred
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Choom does that.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:29 | 2854817 ghengis86
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bullshit on the mad part; i've never stepped out of a choomwagon mad.  lost, yes.  mad, never.

Here's a question; can the Prez smoke on Air Force One (Newport's, Parliments or Choom)? 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:56 | 2854869 delacroix
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does dicksmoking count?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:47 | 2854933 Ahmeexnal
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Ah...reminds me of that old classic joke.

What's the difference between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky?

ANS: Clinton "smoked but didn't inhale"....Monica "smoked but didn't swallow".

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:18 | 2855006 zhandax
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can the Prez smoke on Air Force One

Rhetorical question, I assume.  What, Janet's gonna stop him?

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:53 | 2854740 californiagirl
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Obama's word cloud is missing the word "Uh".

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854763 ghengis86
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uh    [uh, uhn] Show IPA interjection

1. used to indicate hesitation, doubt, or a pause.

2. huh.

inarticulate sound, attested from 1605; uh-huh, spoken affirmative (often ironic or non-committal) is recorded from 1904; negative uh-uh is attested from 1924.

University of Hawaii


Hmmmm....doubt and Univeristy of Hawaii....Romney should have listened to Trump!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:05 | 2854771 walcott
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and "duh".

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:58 | 2854749 Dr. Engali
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Obama got his ass kicked. That's what happens when he is never challenged by his staff or by the press. When the press just asks him foo foo questions he doesn't have to think on his feet.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:09 | 2854781 Skateboarder
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I managed to catch about 20 seconds of it when I came back from my skate sesh. The little blurb I managed to hear was Romney admitting that over 50% of our youth is unemployed or underemployed. Those are the kind of truths you don't usually hear out of the head honchos.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:22 | 2854971 Floodmaster
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Youth unemployment :: Even with all those voids created by the retirement tsunami, Spain and Greece are at 50,Portugal 36, Italy 34 ,France 23 and the United States is at 15 percent !!! They should be at 0% ! The global economy's “free fall”is just beginning

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:11 | 2854785 HungryPorkChop
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You mean there was no teleprompter? 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:15 | 2854788 DeadFred
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The guy is pretty worthless when he doesn't have a prompter in front of him. Either way my stomach churns when I hear him so I can't watch the debates. I think the newspaper with the story on Stalingrad is appropriate. Back then people had a hard time figuring out who they really wanted to win, the bad guy or 'our' bad guy. At least they should have had qualms about backing the likes of Stalin. Too bad it seems like the choice is always for the lesser of evils. Why couldn't the debate have ended with both knocked out of the race?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:24 | 2855194 DosZap
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I am still waiting for NEW(second) Reichstag moment.

Then none of the electioneering will matter.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:54 | 2854863 myshadow
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Dr. Engali,

your analysis is the most cogent of the evening.  This guy has gone through the last four years never having to answer a hard question about not prosecuting felon$ from wall street or defending drone strikes. I voted for him once, tonight he was pathetic, he seemed like he really didn't have the stuff to assert why he should be rehired.

romney was an oily, obsequious weasel.  Someone up thread said the only good thing about these guys is only one of them will win, the country will lose in any event.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:25 | 2855061 lakecity55
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Little Barry Foo Foo.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:55 | 2855119 Bicycle Repairman
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"This guy has gone through the last four years never having to answer a hard question about not prosecuting felon$ from wall street or defending drone strikes."

I missed the debate, but I'll bet Romney really nailed Obama on these issues.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:45 | 2855215 max2205
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Non whites don't care. He speaks their language. He did not lose their vote last night. Gays however must be mortified.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:10 | 2855185 DosZap
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Obama got his ass kicked. That's what happens when he is never challenged by his staff or by the press. When the press just asks him foo foo questions he doesn't have to think on his feet.

This is what happens when the telepromters are gone, and you have NO record to run on.

Also,this is an example of King O, finally having to answer questions he will not allow anyone else to ask with a camera rolling.Or at all.

He lost the Throne for a few minutes,and control.

I was not happy with Leherer, allowing him to run on, over time constantly.

Romney had to speak faster, and ignore the moderator in order to not allow O to get AFTER clock answers/lies in.

PBS is on the line...............

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:27 | 2855198 New_Meat
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"PBS is on the line..............."

Could add that to the Dept of Energy, the Dept of Education, and the Environmental Pollution Agency.

Trillions of savings.

- Ned

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:37 | 2855206 GCT
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Right on Doc +1.  Obama's closing remarks summed up his whole philosphy when he slipped stating he will make the poor richer only to correct it real fast stating making the midde class richer.

I know we are basically screwed, but it has always been this president's basic premise to redistribute the working people's wealth.  The middle class will get squeezed, no doubt in my mind. 

Romney was the better debater in this debate, no doubt in my mind, and now the morning MSM are trying to explain it away.  This is just so pathetic.

Wed, 10/03/2012 - 23:59 | 2854753 dobermangang
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Obama is a much better bowler than debater.

“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.”
- Clint Eastwood

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:05 | 2854885 Never_Put_Down
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The Emperor certainly has no clothes

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:55 | 2855036 John_Coltrane
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As least if he loses he can run for president/dictotor of Kenya.  His Slogan:  "I'm not as bad as Mugabe"

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:21 | 2855455 MiltonFriedmans...
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"greatest hoax"?  I beg to differ Clint, that would be the Federal Reserve.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854757 a growing concern
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Where was "end the Fed" or "rampant hyperinflation"?  I didn't catch either of those.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:21 | 2854792 HungryPorkChop
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All I heard is that Elves will soon be handing out good payin' jobs to all the middle class.  So don't worry about the Fed. 

Worse case we just sprinkle around some Pixie dust and it all goes away. 


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:12 | 2854891 UGrev
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Charlie the unicorn will be there as well, signing kidneys.. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:08 | 2856047 BooMushroom
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I don't need an elf to had me a job.  I just need to know that I can go out and build a lemonade stand without getting hassled by the cops or the IRS.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:24 | 2854795 Ms. Erable
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They had both read the Debate Drinking Game rules prior to hitting the stage; neither wanted to utter those phrases and be held responsible for the alcohol poisoning deaths of hundreds of ZH readers.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:23 | 2855463 MiltonFriedmans...
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Constitution was mentioned once, civil liberties 0, cuts 90+.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854758 monopoly
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It does not matter who is in office because neither of them have a clue what the real solutions are, and if they do, no way will they implement them as it will destroy the can,  bring us back to square one and then we can start over. Not gonna happen.

But, Romney cleaned Obama's clock. Embarrassing actually. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:01 | 2854761 CVfriendship
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Tough to argue Romney wasn't more prepared.  He got to show some chops when talking about financial reform.  I LOVE how the FED is NEVER mentioned in these things... It's like talking about a football game, and never discussing the quarterback of the economy.  President is definitely more of a head coach/owner...he has final veto, but still can't fully control what goes on down on the field.


Overall....still wish Ron Paul was there with them.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:02 | 2854764 Yen Cross
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 I'm gonna try those drinking games during the next E/U summit. I just need to put together a new word cloud. Words like "bailout", and "insolvent" should keep everyone inebriated.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:03 | 2854765 The Shootist
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It was the first time I've ever enjoyed watching Obama talk. And probably the only time I could stand watching him flap the gums for more than a minute or two.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:04 | 2854766 patp1008
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Are you kidding me Obama can't say two words without a teleprompter -- no wonder we heard Axelrod yelling NO MAS !!!!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:07 | 2854778 krispkritter
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  "And everybody's getting a fair shot. And everybody's getting a fair share -- everybody's doing a fair share, and everybody's playing by the same rules."

This was a slip that was hastily corrected in the closing statements ...speaks volumes. Two guesses who said it...


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:30 | 2854818 Spastica Rex
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Marx? Engels?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:41 | 2854840 Ness.
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The hooker in the green room?

The NFL replacement officials?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:05 | 2855591 philosophers bone
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Thanks for pointing out these specific words.  I was so shocked at how lame his closing speech was and found his stumbing so distracting that I did not catch the reference to "fair share".  I did catch his reference to helping people to get to the middle class, but no mention of helping the middle class move up.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:16 | 2855628 tip e. canoe
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"but no mention of helping the middle class move up."

caught that too.   always thought that was part of the purpose of 2008, to knock the nouveau riche back down the pyramid before they started storming the castle.    it's not a coincidence that the top 3% of the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill is not connected to the bottom 97%.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:08 | 2854779 ghengis86
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did my lemon party post get removed?  My bad, I wasn't trolling or trying to roll anybody, honest.  I just thought the debate resembled a homosexual cluster fuck of old men (Jimmy L both giving and receiving).

my apologies

(the post was "is it me of did this debate resemble lem0n party dot org?".  shouldn't have made it a live link. again, sorry ladies, gents and tylers)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:15 | 2854789 El
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I wasn't going to watch tonight, but ended up watching the livestream. I don't support Romney or Obama, but Romney definitely presented better overall than Obama. Obama looked like he needed some prune juice while Romney has never appeared so relaxed. The Reagan voice kinda threw me though. I didn't believe a word either one of them said, of course...but that's a different discussion.



Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:32 | 2854824 tip e. canoe
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that Reagan voice was so obvious it was embarassing to listen to.

got to give him props tho: he one-upped bigO in the impersonation category.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:24 | 2854799 Moomah
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No wonder Michelle was nervous about the debate....

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:25 | 2854800 ebworthen
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The kleptocrats in control of the political class must have parties at moments like this as it doesn't matter to them who wins; both sides are in their pockets.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:56 | 2854937 Raymond Reason
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They may get wwiii quicker with Romney though. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:25 | 2854802 dobermangang
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I guess the next nationwide polls are going to have to have a +15 D as their sample.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:30 | 2854804 Yen Cross
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 Damn, Romney is almost as good a Draghi at bullshitting, ES and DOW futures up!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:25 | 2854805 Cheduba
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Lehrer: "Tonight we are going to emphasize the differences between your positions.  What are the differences? Tell us how your position differs."

Translation: These sheeple still think there's no difference between the candidates.  We need to try harder to make them believe there is one!

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